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General Apocalypse
Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.18 08:54:00 -
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Originally by: Jim Linger
Originally by: V4MPIRELLA Edited by: V4MPIRELLA on 17/05/2007 13:21:57 What is the final conclusion ? who got 9-9 or will we see more further engagement in 9-9 in the following days
PS : Fight happened and no need to speculate on the numbers who will have the field is the important thing or who can still compensate the loss and continue to engage
Lets Say i have a corp having all member of caps ships like 150 and after an epic engament we lost 100 of them the question here is not to lost 100 of them question is if we will still get in the arena with 150 caps or not
the battle for 9-9 is certinly not over, k-9 is back into contested as well, so we will see this area as the southern front for some time, i wont even try to put a guess on how long.
Shush don't tell them they might come and fight
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NG4ge
Gallente Knights of The Round CORE.
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Posted - 2007.05.18 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Gurgling CEO There was pretty good battle report on RA killboards about the 9-9 capital fight (because posting of KB links is not allowed, everyone can go find it themselves).
I think the battle report is missing the Erebus
Linky to battle report
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.18 09:04:00 -
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Ah, was hoping to READ battle report and not just watch final statistic me, myself and I ------> |
Smith
Caldari Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.18 10:55:00 -
[334]
Originally by: Slayton Ford Edited by: Slayton Ford on 18/05/2007 03:57:31 So, after the dust has settled it becomes clear that while BoB did win, it was not the slaughter against 2:1 odds their trolls here mad it out to be. What this does show is in the coming months though is BoB will be fighting against even bigger odds then they were today as more and more Goons get into caps.
As to replacement of caps, one thing that hasnt been mentioned but is probably worthwhile is the value of a Goon dread/carrier vs a BoB dread/carrier. If you look at the destroyed fittings on the killmails, Goon caps were Tech1/2 fitted while BoB caps were Tech2/Faction fitted. Therefore a lost BoB cap not only cost BoB more but even the loot BoB got off Goon caps was not that much in comparison to the overall isk value.
I think on this note we need to consider surrender.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.18 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: Slayton Ford Edited by: Slayton Ford on 18/05/2007 03:57:31 So, after the dust has settled it becomes clear that while BoB did win, it was not the slaughter against 2:1 odds their trolls here mad it out to be. What this does show is in the coming months though is BoB will be fighting against even bigger odds then they were today as more and more Goons get into caps.
As to replacement of caps, one thing that hasnt been mentioned but is probably worthwhile is the value of a Goon dread/carrier vs a BoB dread/carrier. If you look at the destroyed fittings on the killmails, Goon caps were Tech1/2 fitted while BoB caps were Tech2/Faction fitted. Therefore a lost BoB cap not only cost BoB more but even the loot BoB got off Goon caps was not that much in comparison to the overall isk value.
Two interesting points, but both are flawed.
Firstly, using any killboard to calculate participation does not give a clear picture of the actual numbers on the field. For example, I know that a lot of pilots who were present at the start of the fight were not there at the end because if they were unfortunate enough to crash many were unable to log back in. I know that some pilots did not join the fight until late, because I was one of them. I know that some pilots either cyno'd or warped out to refuel. To claim that participation in a single killmail equals being present for the entire battle is unfortunately one of the side-effects of trying to use statistics as a substitute for actually seeing things first hand.
Point two, about general fittings. Goonswarm want the general public to think that they don't take this game of internet spaceships seriously, and that anyone who does is some sort of mutant. There use of low cost ships vs high value targets was always one of the things they would point to, arguing that using expensive set-ups to gain a marginal advantage was a clear indication of a "play to win" mentality. However, looking at the fitting of the destroyed ships it is clear that Goonswarm are certainly starting to take things more seriously than they would have us believe. Yelina, for example, was flying not a tech 1 fitted carrier, or tech 2 .. or even faction, but rather an officer equiped ship. It seems as if the goons have realised that if they wish to become a credible force then they will have to put some serious hardware on the line. This flys in the face of their "cheap swarm" doesn't matter if it dies bravado.
The question is, are the swarm ready to become what they mock in order to compete, or would they rather die in droves as victims of people who see Eve as "Serious Business"?
This may be a turning point for the Goons. I am genuinely interested to see which faction wins out, the SA mindset or the power of Eve.
Serious times.
The Battleships is not and should not be a solo pwnmobile - Oveur
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.18 13:50:00 -
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Originally by: Avon Edited by: Avon on 18/05/2007 12:05:04
Originally by: Slayton Ford Edited by: Slayton Ford on 18/05/2007 03:57:31 So, after the dust has settled it becomes clear that while BoB did win, it was not the slaughter against 2:1 odds their trolls here mad it out to be. What this does show is in the coming months though is BoB will be fighting against even bigger odds then they were today as more and more Goons get into caps.
As to replacement of caps, one thing that hasnt been mentioned but is probably worthwhile is the value of a Goon dread/carrier vs a BoB dread/carrier. If you look at the destroyed fittings on the killmails, Goon caps were Tech1/2 fitted while BoB caps were Tech2/Faction fitted. Therefore a lost BoB cap not only cost BoB more but even the loot BoB got off Goon caps was not that much in comparison to the overall isk value.
Two interesting points, but both are flawed.
Firstly, using any killboard to calculate participation does not give a clear picture of the actual numbers on the field. For example, I know that a lot of pilots who were present at the start of the fight were not there at the end because if they were unfortunate enough to crash many were unable to log back in. I know that some pilots did not join the fight until late, because I was one of them. I know that some pilots either cyno'd or warped out to refuel. To claim that participation in a single killmail equals being present for the entire battle is unfortunately one of the side-effects of trying to use statistics as a substitute for actually seeing things first hand.
You can assume that affects both sides equally tho especially the crash part.
- Gob
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Effei Gloom
Minmatar eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.18 22:08:00 -
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Anyone got a new link to the screenshot? The old isnt working anymore.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.18 22:43:00 -
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Originally by: Avon
This may be a turning point for the Goons. I am genuinely interested to see which faction wins out, the SA mindset or the power of Eve.
Loads of blah blah. t2 hardner = 5m. 3 x t2 = 15m. Ofc its very hard to fit it on 2b ship. Yeah. Think -> Write.
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Fire Hawk
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.18 22:51:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Avon
This may be a turning point for the Goons. I am genuinely interested to see which faction wins out, the SA mindset or the power of Eve.
Loads of blah blah. t2 hardner = 5m. 3 x t2 = 15m. Ofc its very hard to fit it on 2b ship. Yeah. Think -> Write.
Both sides participated in a rare scale fight, it's damn cool and it's the most important. 1mil or 1bil, tbh, what's 2bil today ?
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.18 22:58:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Avon
This may be a turning point for the Goons. I am genuinely interested to see which faction wins out, the SA mindset or the power of Eve.
Loads of blah blah. t2 hardner = 5m. 3 x t2 = 15m. Ofc its very hard to fit it on 2b ship. Yeah. Think -> Write.
Can you clarify how what you said, is related to the part of Avons post that you quoted? Reikoku Diplomatic Forums |
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Moonlight Express
Amarr Moonlight Express Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.18 23:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Avon
This may be a turning point for the Goons. I am genuinely interested to see which faction wins out, the SA mindset or the power of Eve.
Loads of blah blah. t2 hardner = 5m. 3 x t2 = 15m. Ofc its very hard to fit it on 2b ship. Yeah. Think -> Write.
Can you clarify how what you said, is related to the part of Avons post that you quoted?
Vodka?
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Beyond Horizon
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.05.18 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Avon
This may be a turning point for the Goons. I am genuinely interested to see which faction wins out, the SA mindset or the power of Eve.
Loads of blah blah. t2 hardner = 5m. 3 x t2 = 15m. Ofc its very hard to fit it on 2b ship. Yeah. Think -> Write.
Can you clarify how what you said, is related to the part of Avons post that you quoted?
Same question tbh =/ -
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Karunel
Princeps Corp YouWhat
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Posted - 2007.05.18 23:07:00 -
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Quote:
Vodka? ;)
Same reply tbh. ____
Originally by: elbenito The problem with large fleet engagements is that the hamsters stop to watch.
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Evil Thug
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.18 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Avon
This may be a turning point for the Goons. I am genuinely interested to see which faction wins out, the SA mindset or the power of Eve.
Loads of blah blah. t2 hardner = 5m. 3 x t2 = 15m. Ofc its very hard to fit it on 2b ship. Yeah. Think -> Write.
Can you clarify how what you said, is related to the part of Avons post that you quoted?
We have good description of those kind of post in russian - "ни о чем". Long post, that does nothing. Leave blah blah to Digitalcommunist. He sucks at it, but not so much as Avon.
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laotse
Firing Squad Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.19 01:05:00 -
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ah avon anohter book shelf bob member like bolic only hear from them if bob need,s good forum warrior :P http://80.126.192.128:8888/tfd/uploads/1121735338/gallery_11_8_1124480365.jpg
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 kbs, ty - Cortes |
Kyguard
Fire Mandrill
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Posted - 2007.05.19 02:56:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Avon
This may be a turning point for the Goons. I am genuinely interested to see which faction wins out, the SA mindset or the power of Eve.
Loads of blah blah. t2 hardner = 5m. 3 x t2 = 15m. Ofc its very hard to fit it on 2b ship. Yeah. Think -> Write.
Can you clarify how what you said, is related to the part of Avons post that you quoted?
We have good description of those kind of post in russian - "ни о чем". Long post, that does nothing. Leave blah blah to Digitalcommunist. He sucks at it, but not so much as Avon.
2 birds with one stone? ;] -
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.19 07:17:00 -
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Edited by: Darcuese on 19/05/2007 07:17:12
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Avon
This may be a turning point for the Goons. I am genuinely interested to see which faction wins out, the SA mindset or the power of Eve.
Loads of blah blah. t2 hardner = 5m. 3 x t2 = 15m. Ofc its very hard to fit it on 2b ship. Yeah. Think -> Write.
Can you clarify how what you said, is related to the part of Avons post that you quoted?
We have good description of those kind of post in russian - "ни о чем". Long post, that does nothing. Leave blah blah to Digitalcommunist. He sucks at it, but not so much as Avon.
"ни о чем" = about nothing (more or less)
Yeah, right I guess some ppl just cant go beyond 1 word sentances anymore, so everything more then that its to complicated to understand me, myself and I ------> |
Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.19 07:42:00 -
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Originally by: fire 59 @ Pilk, seeing as you asked nicely, i ammended it. Was fairly tired when i did it and didn't think about it after that
<3, remind me to give you free secks @ FanFest if I end up going.
--P
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Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.19 07:44:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Avon
This may be a turning point for the Goons. I am genuinely interested to see which faction wins out, the SA mindset or the power of Eve.
Loads of blah blah. t2 hardner = 5m. 3 x t2 = 15m. Ofc its very hard to fit it on 2b ship. Yeah. Think -> Write.
I've been going over the killboards; some of those GOON capitals were fit quite nicely. Yelina, for example, even pimped her Thanatos out with officer-modified instead of X-type hardeners (same resists, but look cooler), and a faction sensor booster. Of course, then she fit a cap injector and an unnamed t1 heavy energy neutralizer, but we can't all be DeathGrip, now can we?
--P
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Nostic
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.19 10:35:00 -
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Edited by: Nostic on 19/05/2007 10:39:58
Originally by: Avon
The question is, are the swarm ready to become what they mock in order to compete, or would they rather die in droves as victims of people who see Eve as "Serious Business"?
This may be a turning point for the Goons. I am genuinely interested to see which faction wins out, the SA mindset or the power of Eve.
Serious times.
There are many goons who are rich, but it doesn't mean their mindset is any different, and I'm sure even the officer fit carrier pilot would get a laugh out of "serious times."
Anyway, it's not much of a contest. SA mindset will win as the vast majority of people (those who aren't in capital ships) in goonfleet aren't even playing eve for the game. They're mostly playing for friends and the organization they feel they have some stake in, and hoping or waiting for a change to supercapitals. Pretty much all of the newbies that goonswarm has brought into the game over the last 4-6 weeks have quit before their trial period was over since they aren't around long enough to make friends, don't feel like they have any stake in the swarm, and with our opponents using 2-4 titans 23/7 the subcapital game mostly consists of getting doomsdayed repeatedly.
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Juliette Red
Jags Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.19 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nostic There are many goons who are rich, but it doesn't mean their mindset is any different, and I'm sure even the officer fit carrier pilot would get a laugh out of "serious times."
Anyway, it's not much of a contest. SA mindset will win as the vast majority of people (those who aren't in capital ships) in goonfleet aren't even playing eve for the game. They're mostly playing for friends and the organization they feel they have some stake in, and hoping or waiting for a change to supercapitals. Pretty much all of the newbies that goonswarm has brought into the game over the last 4-6 weeks have quit before their trial period was over since they aren't around long enough to make friends, don't feel like they have any stake in the swarm, and with our opponents using 2-4 titans 23/7 the subcapital game mostly consists of getting doomsdayed repeatedly.
Explain the metagaming that GS takes part in ? (TS/forum soying etc)Why bother with that if they arent taking the game seriously ?
The rank and file members will be the same as in 99% of corps who just play this as a game but the leaders of ANY alliance play this to win , or to try and accomplish something.
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Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.05.19 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Arenis Xemdal Fight is still happening, both sides have run out of stront and are throwing pillows at each other.
Will take hours before kills/deaths are settled.
And I find myself just having to ask this:
who's throwing the pillows and who's biting them?
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Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Malachon Draco The dreadlosses ASCN took in the fight against BoB were all-in-all pretty insignificant. But it eventually broke the will of ASCN pilots to deploy their dreads, which is as good as destroying them really in terms of their impact on the war.
How many of those ASCN dread losses got replaced by the alliance? Could have something to do with it if the amount was anything less than 100%.
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band0fdevs
Gallente Band of Dev's
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Posted - 2007.05.19 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Darcuese Edited by: Darcuese on 19/05/2007 07:17:12
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Evil Thug
Originally by: Avon
This may be a turning point for the Goons. I am genuinely interested to see which faction wins out, the SA mindset or the power of Eve.
Loads of blah blah. t2 hardner = 5m. 3 x t2 = 15m. Ofc its very hard to fit it on 2b ship. Yeah. Think -> Write.
Can you clarify how what you said, is related to the part of Avons post that you quoted?
We have good description of those kind of post in russian - "ни о чем". Long post, that does nothing. Leave blah blah to Digitalcommunist. He sucks at it, but not so much as Avon.
"ни о чем" = about nothing (more or less)
Yeah, right I guess some ppl just cant go beyond 1 word sentances anymore, so everything more then that its to complicated to understand
complicated and internet spaceship pewpew games are generally pretty simple anyway
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Otellus
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.19 17:09:00 -
[355]
Originally by: Namingway
Originally by: Malachon Draco The dreadlosses ASCN took in the fight against BoB were all-in-all pretty insignificant. But it eventually broke the will of ASCN pilots to deploy their dreads, which is as good as destroying them really in terms of their impact on the war.
How many of those ASCN dread losses got replaced by the alliance? Could have something to do with it if the amount was anything less than 100%.
I was about to answer your question, but then I saw you were another spineless alt.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.19 17:14:00 -
[356]
And irony, I managed to reset my internet options somehow and post with the wrong char. Yes you may laugh at me for that. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected]) |
Pilk
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.19 19:08:00 -
[357]
Originally by: Namingway
Originally by: Malachon Draco The dreadlosses ASCN took in the fight against BoB were all-in-all pretty insignificant. But it eventually broke the will of ASCN pilots to deploy their dreads, which is as good as destroying them really in terms of their impact on the war.
How many of those ASCN dread losses got replaced by the alliance? Could have something to do with it if the amount was anything less than 100%.
I'm aware of at least one program early in the war that resulted in the dropping of approximately 200 dreadnoughts in various pilots' hangars. Not sure if those were alliance reimbursements or new ships, however.
--P
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Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.05.20 02:41:00 -
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Originally by: Otellus
Originally by: Namingway
Originally by: Malachon Draco The dreadlosses ASCN took in the fight against BoB were all-in-all pretty insignificant. But it eventually broke the will of ASCN pilots to deploy their dreads, which is as good as destroying them really in terms of their impact on the war.
How many of those ASCN dread losses got replaced by the alliance? Could have something to do with it if the amount was anything less than 100%.
I was about to answer your question, but then I saw you were another spineless alt.
Spineless? Hardly. My main has spent a nice 15 months in the SWA. That would be an NPC corp, thus, he's not allowed to be used to post here.
And what's there to answer? I know ex-ASCN cap pilots, and more importantly, I know more often than not, losses were all on them to recover even if it was a loss trying to protect ASCN assets. Nothing says 'well screw this alliance', like finding out you're on your own to get a new dread after yours goes down defending a pos or outpost.
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raven415
Caldari Special Projects Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.29 02:18:00 -
[359]
goons had developer help when they first got there so they expect it again.
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Djerin
Obsidian Exploration Services
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Posted - 2007.05.29 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: raven415 goons had developer help when they first got there so they expect it again.
lol yah, right... You should feel ashamed now.
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