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Kist Shi
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate The Bastion
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Posted - 2017.06.01 21:52:40 -
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Grymwulf wrote:Le Mittani wrote:Grymwulf wrote:Thank you Fozzie for ensuring that we will continue to have complete dominance of the raw ore market. Now that you've prevented everyone else from pulling the sheer amount of raw ore that we've been pulling for months now - it will take them years to catch up to our industrial might.
Seriously, thank you very much for making it so that we maintain our industrial lead over every single other organization in the game. So what you're saying is that all the goons qqing in this thread are mad for no reason? No I'm saying that they are looking at their bottom line, and the affects on their own income. If you look at the bigger picture, it's punishing anyone who even wants to try to catch up to the industrial might of Delve. Let us say that we can pull in 7 trillion isk worth of minerals in Delve per month. Conservatively, let us say that this cuts our output in half. Now we've had over 6 months of output at approx 7t (say it's 42T in raw ore) Now that the max a reasonable organization can expect to pull is 3.5T (say half current rates) - it would take at least 12 months to match what we've pulled in over the past 6. And we can expect to continue to pull the same amount of ore (or more, there are many systems to cycle through, as almost every single system in Delve has max upgrades. Can you say the same for all the other regions out there?). There is now absolutely no way to catch up to our backlog of unprocessed raw ore. And since we can just cycle systems instead of stripping just the most valuable systems... Goons: Clear a colossal from 5 systems, each in an hour - go in a cycle between systems (they are all upgraded here). Non-stop mining. Everyone else: Clear a colossal from 1 system. Wait 5 hours, mine same one. Maybe get the safety to upgrade 1 or 2 other systems. Without the safety of going system to system in a chain.....
Is this nerf not to ruin mining ??? isn't this more to make people or corporations to move out of delve and break up goonswarm and the coalition by persuading people to look for other systems to live in where the anoms and belts are dead and have no competition for the ore ...
i dont like it now when certain people roll into a colossal belt with 50 rorquals and take every rock but with these cooldown timers it wont just be the collosl it will be all the anoms its going to push everyone else out of the belts as this guy with just take them all to himself. there are many more like him in delv too
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Gaara's sniper
MLG1337420BlazeIt360TitanNoScopeCorporationSWAG Goonswarm Federation
40
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Posted - 2017.06.01 21:52:52 -
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Zishy Linaris wrote:Gaara's sniper wrote:While we are at it, can you please fix the drone aggro mechanics when you industrial core on rorqual? i wanted to afk rat from the start it's not possible with the bug making npcs shoot your drones after 5min regardless of what you do. K thx bai you expect these people to fix bugs? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
I WANT TO BELIEVE |
Mierin Arthie
Enlightened Industries Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2017.06.01 21:54:23 -
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Kiddoomer wrote:I'm quite happy with the changes, less work done by rorquals, and more as it should be by the actual mining ships.
As for the anom respawns, seems good, I wonder if we could get something similar in HS ? with a few fat HS ore anom instead of dozen of belts, a timer could be fine on them, so miners have to actually move more to get more ore. More ships moving here and there => more content imo, and not juste capital ships bullsh** in NS only.
so you applaud their intent of removing every incentive for a rorqual or orca to go out into the anoms? who then will provide mining boost for your mining barge/exhumer? not the rorqual and orcas, thats for sure |
Dinin Dalael
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
6
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Posted - 2017.06.01 21:55:39 -
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Le Mittani wrote:Grymwulf wrote:Thank you Fozzie for ensuring that we will continue to have complete dominance of the raw ore market. Now that you've prevented everyone else from pulling the sheer amount of raw ore that we've been pulling for months now - it will take them years to catch up to our industrial might.
Seriously, thank you very much for making it so that we maintain our industrial lead over every single other organization in the game. So what you're saying is that all the goons qqing in this thread are mad for no reason?
Holy **** you're ********. Unlike PL and other organizations, we care about the overall health of the game. Its not just about "us" |
Urist Mcflyship
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2017.06.01 21:55:48 -
[155] - Quote
Please don't post drunk, my friend |
XveNos
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
1193
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Posted - 2017.06.01 21:56:24 -
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#Kick CCP Fozzie! |
Stvndog
Hole Violence Goonswarm Federation
52
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Posted - 2017.06.01 21:56:58 -
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Kist Shi wrote:Stvndog wrote:*cough Delve, This change isn't directed towards GSF at all, we are fair and balanced and don't play favorites. so basically don't find a way to profit in the game while CCP is looking for actual cash revenue, they need ppl to spend money on PLEX instead of using ISK. Am I wrong? the plex on the market has to or had to be paid for by someone at some point so the revenue is the same is this not right ?
That is not right |
Erotyk
ETANOL Corporation Circle-Of-Two
2
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Posted - 2017.06.01 21:57:45 -
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Well fu** you ccp! I dont give a fu** about multi acc rorq players! I just want to have isk so I can pew pew, lose my ship buy another one, and again and again! And thats how I like to spend my time after work and after my kids go to slep. So i skill injected to rorq, bought 10B + ship and what now? I can go fu** myself becouse ccp is ********? again fu** you ccp and fu** your game. If you do that nerf I would rather pay for WoW (sic!)subscription than a game runned buy some ******** guys acting like they are in middle of they period |
Inquisitor Lucious
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2017.06.01 21:57:51 -
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Kist Shi wrote:Grymwulf wrote:Le Mittani wrote:Grymwulf wrote:Thank you Fozzie for ensuring that we will continue to have complete dominance of the raw ore market. Now that you've prevented everyone else from pulling the sheer amount of raw ore that we've been pulling for months now - it will take them years to catch up to our industrial might.
Seriously, thank you very much for making it so that we maintain our industrial lead over every single other organization in the game. So what you're saying is that all the goons qqing in this thread are mad for no reason? No I'm saying that they are looking at their bottom line, and the affects on their own income. If you look at the bigger picture, it's punishing anyone who even wants to try to catch up to the industrial might of Delve. Let us say that we can pull in 7 trillion isk worth of minerals in Delve per month. Conservatively, let us say that this cuts our output in half. Now we've had over 6 months of output at approx 7t (say it's 42T in raw ore) Now that the max a reasonable organization can expect to pull is 3.5T (say half current rates) - it would take at least 12 months to match what we've pulled in over the past 6. And we can expect to continue to pull the same amount of ore (or more, there are many systems to cycle through, as almost every single system in Delve has max upgrades. Can you say the same for all the other regions out there?). There is now absolutely no way to catch up to our backlog of unprocessed raw ore. And since we can just cycle systems instead of stripping just the most valuable systems... Goons: Clear a colossal from 5 systems, each in an hour - go in a cycle between systems (they are all upgraded here). Non-stop mining. Everyone else: Clear a colossal from 1 system. Wait 5 hours, mine same one. Maybe get the safety to upgrade 1 or 2 other systems. Without the safety of going system to system in a chain..... Is this nerf not to ruin mining ??? isn't this more to make people or corporations to move out of delve and break up goonswarm and the coalition by persuading people to look for other systems to live in where the anoms and belts are dead and have no competition for the ore ... i dont like it now when certain people roll into a colossal belt with 50 rorquals and take every rock but with these cooldown timers it wont just be the collosl it will be all the anoms its going to push everyone else out of the belts as this guy with just take them all to himself. there are many more like him in delv too
You know whats going to happen now? expansion. Delve, 1 solitary null sec region in eve has been able to support and sustain an ENTIRE coalition, if thats no longer the case and we want to maintain our current way of life we will simply start taking more regions again. |
Kist Shi
Generals Of Destruction Syndicate The Bastion
1
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Posted - 2017.06.01 21:58:16 -
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Stvndog wrote:Kist Shi wrote:Stvndog wrote:*cough Delve, This change isn't directed towards GSF at all, we are fair and balanced and don't play favorites. so basically don't find a way to profit in the game while CCP is looking for actual cash revenue, they need ppl to spend money on PLEX instead of using ISK. Am I wrong? the plex on the market has to or had to be paid for by someone at some point so the revenue is the same is this not right ? That is not right
so where do the plex on the market come from then ????? |
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Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
351
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Posted - 2017.06.01 21:59:12 -
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Kist Shi wrote:Grymwulf wrote:Le Mittani wrote:Grymwulf wrote:Thank you Fozzie for ensuring that we will continue to have complete dominance of the raw ore market. Now that you've prevented everyone else from pulling the sheer amount of raw ore that we've been pulling for months now - it will take them years to catch up to our industrial might.
Seriously, thank you very much for making it so that we maintain our industrial lead over every single other organization in the game. So what you're saying is that all the goons qqing in this thread are mad for no reason? No I'm saying that they are looking at their bottom line, and the affects on their own income. If you look at the bigger picture, it's punishing anyone who even wants to try to catch up to the industrial might of Delve. Let us say that we can pull in 7 trillion isk worth of minerals in Delve per month. Conservatively, let us say that this cuts our output in half. Now we've had over 6 months of output at approx 7t (say it's 42T in raw ore) Now that the max a reasonable organization can expect to pull is 3.5T (say half current rates) - it would take at least 12 months to match what we've pulled in over the past 6. And we can expect to continue to pull the same amount of ore (or more, there are many systems to cycle through, as almost every single system in Delve has max upgrades. Can you say the same for all the other regions out there?). There is now absolutely no way to catch up to our backlog of unprocessed raw ore. And since we can just cycle systems instead of stripping just the most valuable systems... Goons: Clear a colossal from 5 systems, each in an hour - go in a cycle between systems (they are all upgraded here). Non-stop mining. Everyone else: Clear a colossal from 1 system. Wait 5 hours, mine same one. Maybe get the safety to upgrade 1 or 2 other systems. Without the safety of going system to system in a chain..... Is this nerf not to ruin mining ??? isn't this more to make people or corporations to move out of delve and break up goonswarm and the coalition by persuading people to look for other systems to live in where the anoms and belts are dead and have no competition for the ore ... I don't like it now when certain people roll into a colossal belt with 50 rorquals and take every rock but with these cooldown timers it wont just be the colossal it will be all the anoms, its going to push everyone else out of the belts as this guy will just take them all to himself. There are many more like him in delv too This isn't a criticism just an observation
Plenty of systems in Delve. Yes, people will have to jump around a bit but there are not really that many of us with 50 rorquals so it should still be fine. Besides others who can't jump around with relative safety will be hit even more by this so our relative income will increase and if prices do rebound it's great for us as we can sell of some of the stocks.
Annoying thing here is that Fozzie is not even trying to pretend that nerf is not directed at us. Fortunately, he is incompetent and his PL crew is not much better. |
Ghillie Troll Askold
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
5
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:00:52 -
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"Upcoming Feature and Change Feedback Center" what a joke. You don't care about feedback do you. You clearly didn't care the last time we told you Rorquals need to not be nerfed, and I doubt you'll listen this time. I don't know how many times it has to be said, but this is literally how so many games have died: by not listening to the community. Pushing changes that the vast majority of your playerbase disapproves of are how you lose subscribers. Bait-and-switch BS like we've seen with the Rorqual are what cause players to look elsewhere.
Do not push a change without considering the effects beforehand, and do not push changes that go against the community. That is how games die. I only hope you learn before it's too late. |
Zishy Linaris
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:00:54 -
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Gaara's sniper wrote:Zishy Linaris wrote:Gaara's sniper wrote:While we are at it, can you please fix the drone aggro mechanics when you industrial core on rorqual? i wanted to afk rat from the start it's not possible with the bug making npcs shoot your drones after 5min regardless of what you do. K thx bai you expect these people to fix bugs? :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D I WANT TO BELIEVE
believe it my friend |
Johann Hemphill
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:02:35 -
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Fozzie, you're terrible. I opened this post expecting to see that you were buffing the Rorq to have faster drones, because you'd overcompensated after the last several rounds of nerfs. Instead you just repeated more of the same. Why don't you save some time and tell us: what is the maximum amount per day we should be permitted to mine? |
O2 jayjay
Usque Ad Mortem Solyaris Chtonium
59
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:02:51 -
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We can always just find a different game to play and never come back even if they do unfuck this cluster **** of a management. |
Jim Bravura Melkan
Lusitani Invictum Tactical Narcotics Team
0
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:04:16 -
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OHHHHH, this is bad, this change will certain ruin all game integrity. Major playes depend on mining ops and increasing spawn time of mining belts anomalies,...... damn!!!!!
CCP DEVs need to "rethink" about this.
If they make this change go forward, they will lose more people and certantly the game will die. |
Olmeca Gold
Pleonexium
108
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:04:52 -
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I like how the entire 'Eve establishment' flames CCP when they are trying to nerf the only way to earn tens of billions of ISK by semi afk multiboxing tens of Rorquals at the same time. This change is an attempt to reestablish everyone else's interests against 50 richest miners in a handful of richest alliances. Don't mind the flames CCP.
Covert Cloaky FC. Sustainable Whaler.
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Imagia
Minion Revolution Goonswarm Federation
1
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:06:30 -
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Kiddoomer wrote:I'm quite happy with the changes, less work done by rorquals, and more as it should be by the actual mining ships.
Sorry, what?
What the hell do you think a rorqual is?
It is a pure mining vessel |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
352
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:07:05 -
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Olmeca Gold wrote:I like how the entire 'Eve establishment' flames CCP when they are trying to nerf the only way to earn tens of billions of ISK by semi afk multiboxing tens of Rorquals at the same time. This change is an attempt to reestablish everyone else's interests against 50 richest miners in a handful of richest alliances. Don't mind the flames CCP.
I know that PL fozzie implied that this is just a nerf against us but that's not how it works. This is a nerf against everyone and strangely enough those able to adapt best will still be on top. |
Lil Probist
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
3
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:07:17 -
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So these changes will now not only over-nerf the Rorqual, but really hurt the new players that some of these newbie oriented null groups invite in to come out to 0.0 and experience Eve. Way to go to try to keep players invested in the game by showing how little you really know about your own game. Doesn't matter what alliance/group, this change negatively will affect so many people and has so little thought it. 5 hour respawn time ? What is next, buy something through the store to get extra mining respawns ? If so it wouldn't surprise me. If your intent is to run players off, keep up the good work, because that is what this and other such actions will achieve. Monaclegate wasn't that long ago, and you still never learned your lesson from that mess, nor recovered from the player loss either. |
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esc shk
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
197
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:11:49 -
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Nyx Ortiz wrote:The coon NaCl it feeds me
Nice racism there fella. |
Sharnhorst von Deathwish
STK Scientific The Initiative.
3
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:15:15 -
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Table" Guys.. guys.. guys... isk is flowing too freely into the game. How can we get people to make less money, so they need to buy more of our newly broken down mobile game style PLEX?
Fozzie "We could nerf mining income again"
Table "Nah, that won't fly. We've done that like 5 times in the last year."
Fozzie "We could nerf mining income again and after they complain, nerf ratting income - so they argue"
Table "I like it, just don't touch the 8b in 10 minute incursions - because our alts use those"
Fozzie "K, let's do it" |
Gleb Koskov
Hedion University Amarr Empire
16
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:21:32 -
[173] - Quote
If ore runs out in a system just jump to the next? |
Urist Mcflyship
Zebra Corp Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:24:57 -
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Gleb Koskov wrote:If ore runs out in a system just jump to the next?
That's the issue at hand here. In nullsec you have to pay for system upgrades to get the best quality out of your system, you also have to mine ****** ore to build up ADMs to install such upgrades. Oh and don't forget you need to own the system, and keep it safe.
In short, it's a nerf to everybody but GSF at this point. We'll just go system to system hoovering up ore in a wider area, while dudes in Catch and such will suffer. Oh and renters, they're gonna get railed by this change. |
Tyr Carter
Hold On To Your Dookie Its About To Get Spooky My Mom Says Blobbing Is Bad
16
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:25:51 -
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Came here for crying goonies and krabs in general. Was not dissapointed |
SaRAhi RA
Lucid Dreamers Rate My Ticks
2
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:27:20 -
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Sharnhorst von Deathwish wrote:Table" Guys.. guys.. guys... isk is flowing too freely into the game. How can we get people to make less money, so they need to buy more of our newly broken down mobile game style PLEX?
Fozzie "We could nerf mining income again"
Table "Nah, that won't fly. We've done that like 5 times in the last year."
Fozzie "We could nerf mining income again and after they complain, nerf ratting income - so they argue"
Table "I like it, just don't touch the 8b in 10 minute incursions - because our alts use those"
Fozzie "K, let's do it"
All I am just as mad as the next person, this personally kills my income. But stop attacking devs for real...stay classy even in anger. |
Sarah Flynt
Flynt Enterprises Silent Infinity
291
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:32:48 -
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Step one: Ruin the Rorqual for small and medium groups while making it absurdly overpowered for huge groups (November patch)
Steps two to five: Ruin the Rorqual for huge groups as well
Somehow I fail to see the point in all of this.
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Caleb Ayrania
TarNec Invisible Exchequer
338
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Posted - 2017.06.01 22:36:23 -
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Seriously. The Rorq and Orca is and was always supposed to be booster, not solo miners. The fact that it was even made possible and valid was/is a mistake.
Its equivalent to asking for a FAX/LOGI that also does massive DPS.
Just because the GM by mistake gave everyone +5 vorpal blades, does not mean its a mistake when he "takes them back/destroys them"
and ofc Delve/Goons will still be superior in manhours and output capacity, but this is a good step to spread out activity and make space matter more in width.
This is not a Goon Nerf.. its an ecosystem nerf.. the resource availability is designed to support a 250k players, resulting in nothing really being "worth anything"..
And just like removing blue loot would mean WH resources would be more valuable, same is true for the resulting ORE mined..
The small problem ofc is the stockpiles as pointed out in the thread already, and it would be worth considering where all that mineral is supposed to go, to make the "balance" actually work properly.
Look at the big picture.. This might not really be the end of the world, but a first stumbling move in a direction that will make the game fun again. |
ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1889
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Posted - 2017.06.01 23:13:53 -
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Inquisitor Lucious
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2017.06.01 23:20:03 -
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not sure if you will get nuked for section 4. or section 31. |
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