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Casserina Leshrac
Sanguine Illuminations M.A.D. Consortium
272
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Posted - 2017.06.09 20:30:38 -
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I am forced to agree with this assessment.
Unless Queen Synthia establishes some sort of rapport with them.
We stand at the Abyss, drawing the Patterns of Fate - Casserina Leshrac, Savant, Sani Sabik.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1040
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Posted - 2017.06.13 12:57:50 -
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ROGUE SWARM ALERT DECLARED BY CONCORD AS HOSTILE DRONES INVADE
Lina Ambre wrote:YULAI GÇô CONCORD has declared a cluster-wide "Rogue Swarm Alert", as reports continue to come in from across New Eden of multiple major infestations of rogue drones.
CONCORD's Directive Enforcement Department has emphasized the danger of allowing the outbreak locations designated "Rogue Swarm Nests" to spread unchecked, and has called on all combat capable pilots to assist in exterminating the infestation.
The DED's Brigadier General Odo Korachi has provided additional tactical details: "The DED Genesis Fleet's Intelligence Wing has determined that the Rogue Swarm Nests are organized around commanding units that we are designating as 'Swarm Overminds'. It appears that these Overmind units are the driving force behind this Rogue Swarm and we consider them primary targets."
"All pilots answering the call of this Rogue Swarm Alert are urged to seek out Rogue Swarm Nests and destroy the Swarm Overminds found within. The CONCORD Assembly has authorized blanket rights to all materials recovered from these sites to participating combat pilots," concluded General Korachi.
The Scope will monitor and report on this situation as it develops.
Goddess of the IGS
As strength goes.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1040
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Posted - 2017.06.13 13:00:19 -
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Quote:CONCORD's Directive Enforcement Department has emphasized the danger of allowing the outbreak locations designated "Rogue Swarm Nests" to spread unchecked Emphasized but not elaborated on.
What a pathetic veil for genocide.
Goddess of the IGS
As strength goes.
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Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
450
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Posted - 2017.06.13 14:21:38 -
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Nah, hardly a veil and term genocide is not applicable there, it's a pest control. What elaboration do you want them to give? |
Jason Galente
Tempest Legion
1236
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Posted - 2017.06.13 14:36:43 -
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Ayallah wrote:Quote:CONCORD's Directive Enforcement Department has emphasized the danger of allowing the outbreak locations designated "Rogue Swarm Nests" to spread unchecked Emphasized but not elaborated on. What a pathetic veil for genocide.
What would you do if 10 super carriers filled with 'refugees' showed up in Vale? Would you even hesitate?
No, of course not. And those are people. These are drones.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1041
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Posted - 2017.06.13 15:55:46 -
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Jason Galente wrote:What would you do if 10 super carriers filled with 'refugees' showed up in Vale? Would you even hesitate Continue to live eight to nine mids away and do nothing?
They are a living, sentient species and do not deserve eradication for the crime of living.
Goddess of the IGS
As strength goes.
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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2520
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Posted - 2017.06.13 15:59:51 -
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Ayallah wrote:Jason Galente wrote:What would you do if 10 super carriers filled with 'refugees' showed up in Vale? Would you even hesitate Continue to live eight to nine mids away and do nothing? They are a living, sentient species and do not deserve eradication for the crime of living.
You seem to not recall that the rogue drones do not see us as sentient beings, just resources to exploit at best and competitors for said resources needing violent removals at worst.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Mizhara Del'thul
Coreli Corporation Mercenary Coalition
2096
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Posted - 2017.06.13 16:06:12 -
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Sentient, sapient, living or not, they are invading. It's not like they're going to run out of Rogue Drones by pushing it back. |
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
1172
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Posted - 2017.06.13 16:12:07 -
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Ayallah wrote:Jason Galente wrote:What would you do if 10 super carriers filled with 'refugees' showed up in Vale? Would you even hesitate Continue to live eight to nine mids away and do nothing? They are a living, sentient species and do not deserve eradication for the crime of living.
They are machines and not creations of God or Nature, whichever one subscribes to. Uncontrolled, they are, at best pests like furriers. At worst, the potential end of of the Empires and its peoples.
The Society's pilots have a full and complete blank check, as far as i am concerned, to take their part in trying to push back against this menance. |
Teinyhr
Ourumur
924
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Posted - 2017.06.13 16:59:55 -
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Ayallah wrote:They are a living, sentient species and do not deserve eradication for the crime of living.
Destroying hives in empire space is not eradication or genocide. CONCORD isn't calling for a full on exterminatus for the "drone regions", but removing their mechanical tentacles from empire space for the protection of those who live there. Remind me, as I don't recall, did your heart bleed this much for the Drifters, whom to the best of our guesses are sentient and possibly have more in common with Rogue Drones than we might first think? |
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1043
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Posted - 2017.06.14 03:31:00 -
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The Rogue Drones Never killed an Empress.
And I am not so sure that they are any less of god simply because we know the origins of their species and their flesh is not flesh.
Goddess of the IGS
As strength goes.
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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2522
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Posted - 2017.06.14 03:38:42 -
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Ayallah wrote:The Rogue Drones Never killed an Empress.
And I am not so sure that they are any less of god simply because we know the origins of their species and their flesh is not flesh.
Not an Empress, no.
But they did attack various baseliner and capsuleer vessels and harvest the wrecks. Even those that were minding their own business. I say that's plenty enough reason to cull them whenever they are found in locations with high human traffic.
This is not xenocide. This is pest control. And the locusts eat people and ships.
Come weekend, I am going to hunt for Rogue Drone nests and see if I can procure any of their wrecks for study. I will not get another opportunity like this is unless I am able to travel into the Drone Regions without pissing off the local capsuleer organisations.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Makoto Priano
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd. Arataka Research Consortium
9917
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Posted - 2017.06.14 05:18:55 -
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And yet, Ms. Ayallah, rogue drones surely can't be reclaimed, and that is one of your foremost objectives for sentients, is it not?
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries: exploring the edge of the known, advancing the state of the art. Would you like to know more?
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Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
638
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Posted - 2017.06.14 07:28:06 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:And yet, rogue drones surely can't be reclaimed
What is this Assertion based on ?
Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.
It is Written.
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Teinyhr
Ourumur
925
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Posted - 2017.06.14 11:53:04 -
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Synthetic Cultist wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:And yet, rogue drones surely can't be reclaimed What is this Assertion based on ?
Communication difficulty aside, if rogue drones have gods they probably think it is better than the Amarrian God. |
Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
516
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Posted - 2017.06.14 11:56:35 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Synthetic Cultist wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:And yet, rogue drones surely can't be reclaimed What is this Assertion based on ? Communication difficulty aside, if rogue drones have gods they probably think it is better than the Amarrian God. Most people with gods think theirs is better than someone else's. Very few people pray to a deity they feel is worthless. That's where the philosophical debate, brain washing and coercion factor into things.
Queen of Chocolate
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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2525
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Posted - 2017.06.14 14:11:19 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Synthetic Cultist wrote:Makoto Priano wrote:And yet, rogue drones surely can't be reclaimed What is this Assertion based on ? Communication difficulty aside, if rogue drones have gods they probably think it is better than the Amarrian God.
For one thing, there's no ambiguity in their God. You can't really mess with the teachings which states that 1 is True and 0 is False. Unless they run on trenary, then there's Tralse, which is ambiguous.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Jason Galente
Tempest Legion
1239
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Posted - 2017.06.14 14:22:16 -
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I'm slightly disappointed by the inconsistency of what you find in the wreckage.. Sleepers are much better, much more consistent money. Except that lucky bastard Ragnar, he found 50 PLEX for what was essentially 2 minutes of work...
I'm not even sure how incremental pilot's licensing fee credits were found inside a rogue drone nest.. but I'm not going to question free licensing.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
516
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Posted - 2017.06.14 14:32:39 -
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Jason Galente wrote:I'm slightly disappointed by the inconsistency of what you find in the wreckage.. Sleepers are much better, much more consistent money. Except that lucky bastard Ragnar, he found 50 PLEX for what was essentially 2 minutes of work...
I'm not even sure how incremental pilot's licensing fee credits were found inside a rogue drone nest.. but I'm not going to question free licensing. I've heard people often undock with them and are subsequently exploded. Perhaps rogue drones are better at recovering from wreckage than we are.
Queen of Chocolate
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Jason Galente
Tempest Legion
1239
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Posted - 2017.06.14 14:34:45 -
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Teinyhr wrote:Ayallah wrote:They are a living, sentient species and do not deserve eradication for the crime of living. Destroying hives in empire space is not eradication or genocide. CONCORD isn't calling for a full on exterminatus for the "drone regions"
CONCORD should absolutely do this though.
Consider the following:
They are one of few enemies humanity faces which does not reason and does not see us as of any value whatsoever.
They are of proficient combat capability and overwhelmingly numerous. Trivial to capsuleers, yes, but there aren't many of us. Not enough of us..
They possess a scale of productive capacity (and more importantly, a limitation from restrictions on production that all organic life possesses, such as sleep, food, and leisure) that far surpasses ours, theoretically.
They are not life in any strict definition of the term. Any moral systems which prescribe value to life strictly exclude them. This alone isn't justification for extermination, as we could still feasibly glean value from non-living intelligence. However, they have shown no willingness or existential ability to 'trade' with us per se.
They lack the need for life support systems. This frees them to drift endlessly into space, without even the strict need of stargate-based warp technology. They could feasibly drift off into space, harvesting everything in entire clusters of stars. Thus, they possess a unique threat in that, many millennia from now, they could feasibly harvest all useful material in the galaxy to be purposed for their hives. This could restrict future human colonial efforts at least, and at worst, it could mean a mass of drones which we are at some point incapable of repelling. In honesty, I doubt humanity will live this long, but we are, whether we like it or not, at the mantle of responsibility over the stars.. we are the sentients which have assumed this responsibility. I'm not comfortable with the thought that all future possible life could be ended by a theoretically endless, all-consuming drone mass.
In honesty, I consider them at a similar level and type of threat as Sansha's Nation before the empires wisely allied against it. In terms of the average of short, medium, and long term threats. I don't see a rush, necessarily, not like with Nation, to deal with the threat. But if we never deal with the problem, it could be the thing which eventually overwhelms us.
Only the liberty of the individual assures the prosperity of the whole.
And this foundation must be defended.
At any cost
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1043
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Posted - 2017.06.15 14:41:20 -
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Makoto Priano wrote:And yet, Ms. Ayallah, rogue drones surely can't be reclaimed, and that is one of your foremost objectives for sentients, is it not? I am sure in your infantile understanding of the Imperial Rite that the Empire seeks to reclaim the trees and fish too. Perhaps the birds who can speak need to be trained to recite the word of god?
In fact Makoto, they already do.
Goddess of the IGS
As strength goes.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1043
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Posted - 2017.06.15 14:44:15 -
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I wonder Jason, if you had lived in the time when mankind feared wolves if you would have written something similar as to how they are our greatest enemy?
Perhaps it is short-sighted and alarmist people like you who drove such things to extiction. I wonder if you think the ecosystems of worlds are better now that the insects who bite us are dead.
Goddess of the IGS
As strength goes.
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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2536
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Posted - 2017.06.15 15:03:14 -
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You do realise that wolves are mythical creatures that do not actually exist, as in, ever, outside the fables which teach us about the importance of solidarity, hierarchy and performing our roles.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
2370
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Posted - 2017.06.15 15:13:38 -
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Ayallah wrote:I wonder if you think the ecosystems of worlds are better now that the insects who bite us are dead.
Ooh, that's going to sting anyone of Mannar heritage.
Since, you know, that whole thing with the ecological collapse of Mannar following the mass extinction of a keystone airborne insect species.
Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
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Halcyon Ember
Repracor Industries
523
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Posted - 2017.06.15 15:23:28 -
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Elmund Egivand wrote:You do realise that wolves are mythical creatures that do not actually exist, as in, ever, outside the fables which teach us about the importance of solidarity, hierarchy and performing our roles. The absence of proof is not proof of absence.
Queen of Chocolate
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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2536
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Posted - 2017.06.15 15:27:46 -
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Halcyon Ember wrote:Elmund Egivand wrote:You do realise that wolves are mythical creatures that do not actually exist, as in, ever, outside the fables which teach us about the importance of solidarity, hierarchy and performing our roles. The absence of proof is not proof of absence.
Until there actually are fossil records proving the existence of a species of large and highly intelligent and ferocious (exceeding the viciousness of slaver hounds) canines capable of organising themselves into a clan structure, I am disinclined to believe they exist.
It's like asking me to believe in the existence of Fenrir the Moonchaser or Earth or Terra.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Ayallah
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
1049
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:19:30 -
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Would you have understood the statement more easily if I had said when mankind feared Dragons?
I am very much not following what your point is Elmund.
Goddess of the IGS
As strength goes.
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Elmund Egivand
Sebestacny Circle
2539
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:31:04 -
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Ayallah wrote:Would you have understood the statement more easily if I had said when mankind feared Dragons?
I am very much not following what your point is Elmund.
I think you probably should use a creature that actually exists instead of one that doesn't as an example.
A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
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Ria Nieyli
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
50808
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:31:56 -
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What's a dragon? |
Synthetic Cultist
Church of The Crimson Saviour Sani-Sabik
639
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:48:26 -
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Ria Nieyli wrote:What's a dragon?
A Dragon is a Mythical Creature common to Several Cultures, including the Jin-Mei and Vherokior. The Form of the Dragon varies. Common properties include it being a Large Winged Reptile creature, that can Fly, and is possessed of Malevolent Intelligence.
Other Names for the "Dragon" mythical Creature include: Void Serpent, Aether Drake, Stellar Wyrm. These are Names for a Dragon creature that inhabits Space, or some Other Dimension.
Synthia 1, Empress of Kaztropol.
It is Written.
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