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Ghostly Angell
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:39:47 -
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so,you spend half a year training carrier and fighters 5 to get 10% more dmg on a normal carrier and now I GET THIS NEWS????????? -20% ????? very bad joke |
Romana Erebus
EVE ACTORS GUILD The Bitter End.
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:40:05 -
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Odinessa wrote:At the rate you are going, you will end up running off most of your player base with these nerfs to fun content. Your real nerf is to nerf the numbers of players, until there are none left.
If most of the player base are ratting carrier/super pilots I'd say we are doomed already.
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Romana Erebus
EVE ACTORS GUILD The Bitter End.
62
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:41:40 -
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GOB the Magician wrote:Yet another balance pass that will result in less players undocking ships they enjoy flying.
As a casual player who pays for my account in real money, you're making it very difficult for me to justify continuing to do so. There's no way I'm going to pay for a sub and have to buy plex in order to play. It's just not going to happen.
Go Pvp and dumpster thing and scoop shiny loot. A month worth of that pays for plex and is good for you too. Like carrotts or spinach. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3167
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:43:02 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Tara Read wrote:So next time you want to clarify that this was mainly a DPS nerf to put Supers more in line with HAW Titans why don't you go with that angle instead of from the PVE angle and have everyone freak out? It implies you nerfed fighter dps solely for a PVE majority. Clarification would have been nice. They literally said in the OP they though carriers/supers were over performing in PvP and the change would alleviate some of this. Too bad people didn't read all the way to the end of the post.
To be fair, the PvP bit seemed an afterthought tacked on to the end in effort to pre-address criticism about the mix of such a broad-spectrum nerf with such dramatically large numbers.
If I read their opening rationale by itself, I would probably expect a 5-10% DPS nerf along with some more PvE specific changes to address the bounties.
A 20-30% tweak is abnormally massive.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Cartras Vokan
Polaris Rising The Bastion
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:43:17 -
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If anyone at CCP wants to come have an evening of carrier ratting and subcap ratting (and ts3 shenanigans of course) to experience their game, pm me. It often feels like in the past couple years very few actually play the game and decisions are based off of graphs, not personal/team game experience. |
Gianni Zuiverloon
Oscura Simmetria The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:43:29 -
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FIX THE ANOMALIES NOT THE CAPITAL SHIPS. NEW ANOMALIES FOR CARRIERS ONLY AND RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE CURRENT ANOMS FOR CARRIERS.
AFTER YEARS OF TIME WASTED SKILLING A SHIP YOU NERF IT LIKE THAT?!? ARE YOU SERIOUS?? GIVE ME BACK ALL THE SKILL POINTS YOU THIEFS.
-4 ACCOUNTS SUB RIGHT NOW. UNTIL YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND COMPLETELY.
Bye bye
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singthegrief
Celestial Horizon Corp. Badfellas Inc.
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:43:39 -
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-10 accounts ill go spend my money on world of warships more fun at this point anyways |
Riza HR
Outer Ring Security Services The Amish Mafia
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:44:19 -
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Just stop with patches, one patch every 6 month was good, you are kiling this game !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Krypleria
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:44:41 -
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It seems this issue is starting to break subscription numbers :
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/6g99i4/unsub_if_you_want_ccp_to_listen/
CCPlease delete the employee that suggested this nerf and the manager who approved it ! |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
16076
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:45:36 -
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Gianni Zuiverloon wrote:FIX THE ANOMALIES NOT THE CAPITAL SHIPS. NEW ANOMALIES FOR CARRIERS ONLY AND RESTRICTED ACCESS TO THE CURRENT ANOMS FOR CARRIERS.
AFTER YEARS OF TIME WASTED SKILLING A SHIP YOU NERF IT LIKE THAT?!? ARE YOU SERIOUS?? GIVE ME BACK ALL THE SKILL POINTS YOU THIEFS.
-4 ACCOUNTS SUB RIGHT NOW. UNTIL YOU CHANGE YOUR MIND COMPLETELY.
Bye bye
Ah **** boys, he's serious, look at all them capital letters! |
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AnTalKiLLeR
Oscura Simmetria The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:45:37 -
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Gianni sei un cazzaro ma hai ragione |
Jenn aSide
Shinigami Miners ChaosTheory.
16076
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:46:34 -
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Just when I thought it couldn't get worse...a Reddit post appears! ABANDON SHIP!!
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Hulk Miner
White Horse Incorporated
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:47:04 -
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Bring another 10 > 30% carriers on to the battle field... The only salty tears im hearing are from those solo grinders, likes it going to stop an alliance |
8RU74L
Invictus Origin Brothers in Arms Alliance
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:47:13 -
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"Supers" will now have to be renamed to something less superior since they ll be obsolete.
This is very verrrry bad move,why?Here is why
First there are some of us that are buying stuff for real money via plex,I know EULA say you can do what you want wich from customer point of view looks like :"ok i m stoping buying stuff from you because EULA" I am using money to buy injectors to inject towards something i think i need to make money,content etc.
Second,before puting something into tranquility you should test the toys you are bringing in,now either you dont have testers,or you have incompetent testers,or you do it on purpose---another reason to stop supporting the game
Did any of you ever think about,instead of nerfing ships,nerf the bounty on npcs,but i guess you dont care. You did grab more money via plex change,skins are suddnely flooding the market,never seen so many skins coming out so fast before. Now this. Why dont you just remove the game subscription via plex and make it only usable via money,i know why,you will loose too much subscribers,but you are already going that way so why not go full ******.
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Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
3183
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:48:10 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:CCP: "NPC bounties inject too much ISK into the economy, so let's leave bounties alone and nerf carriers and supers into oblivion."
Seriously, you're generating memes here, CCP, for smart thinking. the bounties weren't too much of a problem until the carrier/super change happened ~1 year ago.
@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
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Aiy're
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:48:17 -
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Does CCP Know that One heavy fighter costs about 27-30m. Clearing one haven pays out 30m. By adding the additional chance to lose more fighters you would be negative isk if you lost 1 heavy fighter. The mechanics of this nerf is completely screwed up. Also you said these changes would not affect PVP. I don't see how it could not with the damage reduction to the fighters. CCP needs to go back to the drawing board on this one. I have played this game for a long time and the nerfs that keep coming are insane. You are making capital ships basically useless. When one pays 25-30b for a ship you should be able to make decent isk with the said ship. How about giving us reasons to use these ships in more combat scenarios. |
Seeny
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:48:17 -
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CCP Logic = Encourage AFK farm in nullsec and 6plex alt incursion in highsec + discourage farm required real play.
- First CCP, go hunting bot farming (every pvp players have already report them to you, espcially in drone region...) - Second, kill "AFK play" in all its forms. - Then and only then, you can keep a passionate community.
Sorry if my English isn't perfect, i'm French and this is the first time I've written here, I do not know if it will work, but it's my time to sound the alarm before you go too far.
Thanks |
Kassimila
Macabre Votum Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:50:22 -
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Vladimir Petrovski wrote:So...let me get this straight.
- CCP makes it easier for players to get into carriers and supercarriers by reducing certain SP requirements;
- CCP removes the ability for carriers to field drones and replaces their sole combat ability to fighters, thus actually giving the carriers a true nitch in Eve;
- CCP permits players to purchase SP instead of having to actually take the time to earn the SPs (read: pay to win mentality)
- CCP nerfs fighters, making them easier to kill, thus attacking the very nitch carriers have
- Realizing that they haven't been able to successfully curb ISK-making, they now once again nerf fighters thus nerfing carriers altogether.
If the goal is to transform carriers into expensive paperweights, then that's exactly what is occurring. Carriers are being turned into pointless ships. Ignore the now-relative ease in which you can get into one, if the assault on carriers by CCP continues, there will literally be zero point in actually utilizing one. I get the argument about "ISK printing", but considering how relatively slow they are, and how easy it is for a 1-2 interdictors to lock one down with a bubble until a carrier-blap fleet arrives, the benefit/loss ratio is now in the true negative. I don't mind losing ships... hell, if you can't afford to lose it, don't fly it, but why make it so that it's pointless to field in the first place?
Actually killing a ship doesn't remove isk from the game, it in fact generates more of it. I realize this seems counter intuitive but you paid someone for that ship, money just moves it doesn't disappear unless it goes to an NPC isk sink. When you kill a ship, insured or not there is a payout. They just need remove payouts for uninsured ships. |
Jeison Frenzy
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:51:07 -
[679] - Quote
This nerf bring Damage bonused carriers at level 4 to the same dmg as an un-bonused carrier.
By nerfing the fighters your unduly hurting the tank carriers the most, when they are not the issue.
A far more effective nerf would be a reduction of the damage bonus of the Nidhoggur and Thanatos to 3% by level, along with a 5% base fighter dmg nerf or IMO the equivalent of 1 T2 Omnidirectional Tracking Enhancer bonuses as a nerf to the application instead, this will drive fits to work in more Tracking when shooting sub-caps especially for shield carriers that currently only typically use DDAs in most combat fits.
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3391
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:51:12 -
[680] - Quote
8RU74L wrote: Did any of you ever think about,instead of nerfing ships,nerf the bounty on npcs,but i guess you dont care.
Why do you want to nerf my ratting oracle? It sure as hell does not need to be nerfed. |
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Alexander Shvec
SNG ARMY Estamos Solos Alliance.
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:55:21 -
[681] - Quote
CCP You kill a game! |
yogizh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:55:30 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:8RU74L wrote: Did any of you ever think about,instead of nerfing ships,nerf the bounty on npcs,but i guess you dont care.
Why do you want to nerf my ratting oracle? It sure as hell does not need to be nerfed.
In the times before Karmafleet roamed New Eden, tier 3 BCs got nerfed because of PVE too. |
Xerxes Fehrnah
The Dysfunctionals Fidelas Constans
89
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:59:37 -
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This is a bold and dramatic decision. Looking at the game mechanics, perhaps other options exist and more careful deliberation with a player focus group should be held before you finalize this decision. |
Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
3391
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:59:42 -
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singthegrief wrote:So here is a idea how about all that are in the AT just use rookie ships this year. if i can get people to agree i will have my guys do the same. enough is enough #fuCCP
LOL if you think nobody will sell out to get the shiny prizes. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
6890
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:59:51 -
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CCP Larrikin, you forgot about Citadels, didn't you.
You just nerfed their defences, too. |
Fl4chz4ng3
Lost in shadow Brothers of Tangra
23
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Posted - 2017.06.09 17:59:53 -
[686] - Quote
http://imgur.com/akb596b
Just waiting for tuesday pm to do that !!
-9 accounts in total
Have fun guys
Thanks for the fish |
C0ATL
Renegade Stars The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2017.06.09 18:00:05 -
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Like somebody else said before: the recent ********-level changes that CCP has made in the last year is the reason why I find myself spending less and less time in EvE.
Ever since the carrier/supercarrier chances, these ships have seen nothing but nerfs and in HUGE numbers. I remember when everybody was complaining about Ishtar fleets just roaming around with sentry drones, melting any other type of fleet composition...and only after a tremendous amount of time, CCP decided to nerf Ishtar sentry dmg by 5%. FIVE!
Nobody is complaining about carriers. You already stripped down capital survivability by a huge amount. Now you are taking away their damage and usefulness altogether. Support fighters are and always were a joke and normal fighters became a joke once everybody realized that a t2 frig can literally counter an entire 3bil isk ship. Now you are nerfing them again...by 20 % .
I've kept my cool when CCP nerfed carrier dmg by 40% and tracking by 60% in one big patch... I've remained civil in expressing what could only be disgust towards CCP when they decided to increase the sig radius of fighters by 100% and make NPCs aggro them continuously, completely ignoring the pages and pages of posts from ppl telling them they are in the wrong. No more.
The people deciding to implement this nerf are complete CRETINS. No sane person can take a look at a carrier in its current state and say "yeah...its too strong". Not with its vulnerability to E-war... Its inability to withstand damage compared to other capitals... Or the vulnerability of fighters vs anything smaller than a BS.
A carrier pilot will make good ticks because he invested 3-4 bil in his ship and sinked a lot of his time in skills. Instead of being rewarded for their patience and dedication to the game (might i remind you that just from lvl4 to lvl5 carrier, it takes ~55 ******* days) they are repeatedly slapped in the face with nerfs to ships that nobody has complained about ... implemented by people who have not even spent time playing the game.
In the meantime, nobody cares about the AFK ratting VNI, Ishtars and Rattlesnakes... multi-boxing faction BSs just destroying Havens in minutes with smartbombs... or the fact that a character in highsec can generate more isk/hour doing incursions with no risk to his ship.
I understand that in the eyes of lazy devs, its much easier to draw a line at 20% nerf to a certain ship, rather than creating and implementing a new and good tactic for balancing the game (such as some of the suggestions in previous posts), but EvE has slowly turned from a wonder of gaming, who's devs were in sync with the players...to a steaming pile of ****. All of this because you are lazy, because you dont care about your players. Sooner or later all of these insults to your own players will circle back.
The day that nerf is implemented, I stop investing my time and money in this game. If I was dissatisfied before with the way CCP has been handling its crown jewel, I can say that on a personal level, this is the straw that broke the camel's back. Until such a time that EvE gets back on track with a new set of minds or logic when deciding how to balance the game, I take my leave.
o7 Respectful salute for the people who made the game great in its day -- and ..|.. (^_^) ..|.. for those that are ruining it.
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Admiral Sarah Solette
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
34
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Posted - 2017.06.09 18:00:17 -
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210x the isk investment of a VNI to make about 4x the isk they make while also not being able to multibox and afk it, 10x the isk investment to make about 25% more isk than a carrier ratting, and you still apply shittily to AB armor cruisers down.
lol get ****** CCP. ITT garbage company doesn't understand balance. |
Brigadine Ferathine
The Valiant Vanguard The Volition Cult
201
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Posted - 2017.06.09 18:01:10 -
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Unbelievable. Summer of rage 2 coming right up CCP. Every single patch has been a nerf on carriers. Why not just reduce bounties in general.... nerfing the crap out of a group of some ships is apparently more sensible... NOT |
singthegrief
Celestial Horizon Corp. Badfellas Inc.
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Posted - 2017.06.09 18:01:24 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:singthegrief wrote:So here is a idea how about all that are in the AT just use rookie ships this year. if i can get people to agree i will have my guys do the same. enough is enough #fuCCP LOL if you think nobody will sell out to get the shiny prizes.
i know worth a try |
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