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Caldari Phantom
Intergalactic systems
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:12:18 -
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Cypherous wrote:Caldari Phantom wrote:Everyone who has exploitet needs to loose everything they have gained. Easy.. And every isk they have made since then.
This is a game people actually pay for. And have done for many years.. I myself paid hundreds of dollars, im guessing a few thousand dollars. I pay this knowing everyone else plays on the same page, with the same set of rules..
Fix it, and fix it fast..
Its not an exploit, CCP have OFFICIALLY stated that people would get a package of ships per account registered to the email that purchased the tickets
I was thinking about the ghost training, thats an exploit isnt it? The reedemed ships are just nonsense..
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1918
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:23:50 -
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Quote: 12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.
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Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
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Uthgaard
Because Wardec
35
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:27:47 -
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I guess you just get to do whatever you like and rubber stamp your own decisions? Seems about on par with the rest of CCP this week. |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:30:51 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:All the best to Falcon and the rest of the Community Management team over the next few days. Last weekend will look like champagne and strawberries compared to the rage about to come.
Only thing I can wish is happy packing to all of CCP leadership on the way to the unemployment office. This level of incompetence and mistreatment of your own customers should cost you the job but I don't expect that to happen considering the quality of people on the CCP board.
At this point even EA buying out CCP would not ruin it much more than it already is. |
Uthgaard
Because Wardec
35
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:32:51 -
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Caldari Phantom wrote:Cypherous wrote:Caldari Phantom wrote:Everyone who has exploitet needs to loose everything they have gained. Easy.. And every isk they have made since then.
This is a game people actually pay for. And have done for many years.. I myself paid hundreds of dollars, im guessing a few thousand dollars. I pay this knowing everyone else plays on the same page, with the same set of rules..
Fix it, and fix it fast..
Its not an exploit, CCP have OFFICIALLY stated that people would get a package of ships per account registered to the email that purchased the tickets I was thinking about the ghost training, thats an exploit isnt it? The reedemed ships are just nonsense..
Yes, it was declared an exploit. And now that classification is being used to silence all discussion, despite everyone already knowing exactly what ghost training is - hence the outrage. |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:33:59 -
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Mina Sebiestar wrote:So they give away trillions of isk to certain players....
Business as usual.
These ships are worst pay to win example I can recall of.
This is bordering on being worse than T20 especially since people who were already abusing ghost training are the ones that get even more rewarded now. Way to go CCP. That EA marketing is really paying off. Good luck at the unemployment office. You are going to need it considering the Icelands economy. |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3224
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:36:28 -
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Axhind wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:So they give away trillions of isk to certain players....
Business as usual.
These ships are worst pay to win example I can recall of. This is bordering on being worse than T20 especially since people who were already abusing ghost training are the ones that get even more rewarded now.
That part does grate a little bit, particularly given the rather underwhelming exploit declaration that seems to suggest that those who have already abused ghost training will be given a pass on any real repercussions, so long as they stop doing it now.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2017.06.15 16:41:40 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Axhind wrote:Mina Sebiestar wrote:So they give away trillions of isk to certain players....
Business as usual.
These ships are worst pay to win example I can recall of. This is bordering on being worse than T20 especially since people who were already abusing ghost training are the ones that get even more rewarded now. That part does grate a little bit, particularly given the rather underwhelming exploit declaration that seems to suggest that those who have already abused ghost training will be given a pass on any real repercussions, so long as they stop doing it now.
Just think about how many extractors and injectors they sold thanks to that. Probably they made more Gé¼ that way than on subs. Just that works as long as it is a small amount compared to the rest of the game. Who will buy injectors when everyone stops playing because they can't sit after CCP ****** them in the ass without lube. |
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CCP Falcon
13773
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Posted - 2017.06.15 18:36:44 -
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Hey guys,
A couple of clarifications here. I've also posted these elsewhere, but making sure they're also here for clarity
Firstly as has been said before, these ships are going to become available more openly pretty soon (in the next few weeks or so) as part of in game rewards, and will be available in future as part of offers, promotions and via other means.
In addition to this, IGÇÖve just been speaking with our customer support team, and theyGÇÖve confirmed that as part of the reprimands issued against those whoGÇÖve been abusing Ghost Training, these ships, or the ISK that abusers of Ghost Training have received from the sales of them, will be confiscated as part of any reprimands that are issued.
We recognize the fact that you guys are concerned about this, and wholly accept that this is on us. The intention is not at all to reward anyone for abuse of Ghost Training, and as such weGÇÖll make sure that any reprimands that are issued include removal of this stuff.
Apologies for getting you guys all riled up. ItGÇÖs been a tough week, but weGÇÖll make sure that justice is served.
In addition to this, a couple of our amazing customer support guys are going to come in and clarify your concerns with a few answers over what to expect in terms of how weGÇÖll be investigating this.
Hope this helps assuage at least some of the concern.
CCP Falcon || EVE Universe Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3
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SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3225
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Posted - 2017.06.15 18:41:42 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, A couple of clarifications here. I've also posted these elsewhere, but making sure they're also here for clarity Firstly as has been said before, these ships are going to become available more openly pretty soon (in the next few weeks or so) as part of in game rewards, and will be available in future as part of offers, promotions and via other means. In addition to this, IGÇÖve just been speaking with our customer support team, and theyGÇÖve confirmed that as part of the reprimands issued against those whoGÇÖve been abusing Ghost Training, these ships, or the ISK that abusers of Ghost Training have received from the sales of them, will be confiscated as part of any reprimands that are issued. We recognize the fact that you guys are concerned about this, and wholly accept that this is on us. The intention is not at all to reward anyone for abuse of Ghost Training, and as such weGÇÖll make sure that any reprimands that are issued include removal of this stuff. Apologies for getting you guys all riled up. ItGÇÖs been a tough week, but weGÇÖll make sure that justice is served. In addition to this, a couple of our amazing customer support guys are going to come in and clarify your concerns with a few answers over what to expect in terms of how weGÇÖll be investigating this. Hope this helps assuage at least some of the concern.
Good to hear. And, hey! Here's a good opportunity to outright delete a chunk of that excess carrier ratting ISK that's been generated since Citadel.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Kixx
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
4
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Posted - 2017.06.15 18:42:34 -
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So you basically are shooting the messenger and you really don't want people coming forward showing your errors.
The precedent is now set if you get away with something CCP blatantly overlooks then keep your mouth shut and collect.
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Erik Valensteed
Angelus.Mortis Fidelas Constans
6
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Posted - 2017.06.15 19:07:53 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, A couple of clarifications here. I've also posted these elsewhere, but making sure they're also here for clarity Firstly as has been said before, these ships are going to become available more openly pretty soon (in the next few weeks or so) as part of in game rewards, and will be available in future as part of offers, promotions and via other means. In addition to this, IGÇÖve just been speaking with our customer support team, and theyGÇÖve confirmed that as part of the reprimands issued against those whoGÇÖve been abusing Ghost Training, these ships, or the ISK that abusers of Ghost Training have received from the sales of them, will be confiscated as part of any reprimands that are issued. We recognize the fact that you guys are concerned about this, and wholly accept that this is on us. The intention is not at all to reward anyone for abuse of Ghost Training, and as such weGÇÖll make sure that any reprimands that are issued include removal of this stuff. Apologies for getting you guys all riled up. ItGÇÖs been a tough week, but weGÇÖll make sure that justice is served. In addition to this, a couple of our amazing customer support guys are going to come in and clarify your concerns with a few answers over what to expect in terms of how weGÇÖll be investigating this. Hope this helps assuage at least some of the concern.
Please help me understand something. Developers designed and programmed a game. Some of your customers, who have, one way or the other, paid at least $16 USD per month to play, per account, figured out a way to use the program in a way You did not intend or foresee. This was not done through any software hack or scam, but used the system that you designed. Now you have discovered it and decided that your paying customer base is at fault because you failed to program the system correctly. A good business model would be to say, " we did not mean for that to happen and are changing the program." No harm/no foul. Taking isk/ships/etc. from the customer because you are at fault is inappropriate in my opinion. Unless plex somehow spawns in-game, you have receive a monetary payment for every omega subscription each month. Please explain why the players who used this "exploit" are going to lose items. How did they cost your company real money? How did they compromise your product? Are you going on advise of a sound business advisor, or a group of gamers that get butt hurt over changing the formula of Mountain Dew? |
SurrenderMonkey
Space Llama Industries
3225
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Posted - 2017.06.15 19:10:12 -
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SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:I just saw that, and you can find people who have had 'farms' going complaining already. Ooooh, where? I wanna see! I'm having trouble picturing even the average eve-o forum fungus being THAT audacious.
Nevermind, Jenn, looks like Erik Valensteed has this one covered.
"Help, I'm bored with missions!"
http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
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Uthgaard
Because Wardec
38
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Posted - 2017.06.15 19:21:58 -
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Kixx wrote:So you basically are shooting the messenger and you really don't want people coming forward showing your errors.
The precedent is now set if you get away with something CCP blatantly overlooks then keep your mouth shut and collect.
"Hey guys someone left their safe open. Just letting you know. I took everything I could carry for my trouble. To hell with how that affects everyone else."
That does not exactly qualify for shooting the messenger. So sorry you don't get to keep what you knew you shouldn't have exploited, but that's not exactly "precedent". It's specifically stated in the rules.
Letting you get away with it would tell everyone it's okay to exploit things as much as possible before they're declared exploits.
Plot twist: it's not. |
Uthgaard
Because Wardec
38
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Posted - 2017.06.15 19:31:14 -
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Erik Valensteed wrote:Please help me understand something.
Long rambly paragraph of false statements - most notably "paid at least $16 USD per month...per account"
If that was what they did, that would just be called "playing the game". That's not what happened - you knew that already but I'm going to correct your narrative anyway. It's called ghost training because the training continued at omega speed for up to 19 months after plexing for ONE month.
And if you're not sure why you're the dregs of society, I already have that spelled out quite clearly right here. |
Spc One
The Chodak Void Alliance
322
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Posted - 2017.06.15 19:32:55 -
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Well i hope these ships become more accessible in the future, as someone got more than 200 of them now and sold them. While we others can't even get 1 of those new ships.
And i am not paying 3bil+ for one ship that ccp will remove from the market or remove it from owners because of this "bug"..
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Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
258
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Posted - 2017.06.15 19:52:25 -
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Ergum Motsu wrote:Cypherous wrote:Ergum Motsu wrote:Cypherous wrote:Caldari Phantom wrote:Everyone who has exploitet needs to loose everything they have gained. Easy.. And every isk they have made since then.
This is a game people actually pay for. And have done for many years.. I myself paid hundreds of dollars, im guessing a few thousand dollars. I pay this knowing everyone else plays on the same page, with the same set of rules..
Fix it, and fix it fast..
Its not an exploit, CCP have OFFICIALLY stated that people would get a package of ships per account registered to the email that purchased the tickets After previously stating "In celebration of the 20th Anniversary of CCP Games, attendees will also be able to get their hands on decommissioned CONCORD vessels as part of Fanfest ticket packages this year. Every purchase of a Fanfest 2017 ticket will include the issue of a CONCORD Pacifier class frigate, and those who purchase their tickets before January 1st 2017 will also be able to get their hands on a decommissioned Enforcer class CONCORD cruiser." The operative word being Ticket Package, no mention of per account held. Literally throwing 100's of ships at people which are currently trading at over 1b isk each, just a wekk after coming out with theres too much isk ingame, being held by too few players smacks of utter stupidity and no thinking going into the impact of their decisions. https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/pacifier-enforcer-distribution-complete/?utm_source=launcher&utm_medium=news And this article published yesterday says its per account registered to the email used, all it does is expand on the original wording, they never stated it was a single package per ticket nor that it didn't include all accounts owned by the person buying the ticket, you assumed one thing and they did a different thing Reading is really not your strong point is it. Every purchase of a Fanfest 2017 ticket will include the issue of a CONCORD Pacifier class frigate, and those who purchase their tickets before January 1st 2017 will also be able to get their hands on a decommissioned Enforcer class CONCORD cruiser. In simple terms, purchase a fanfest ticket, get A Pacifier class frigate, purchase by a certain date and get A enforcer class cruiser. In the English language, A refers to one, not multiples. Nothing assumed in there, its on the Eve News Article
Yes A does refer to one, it doesn't specify in the original article how that single unit will be applied, it does NOT mention anywhere that its not per account you own, which is what they went with, i mean you can argue it all you want but CCP has stated that this is how it works, and as it is THEIR giveaway they can choose to do wha they like aslong as they don't decide not to give a fanfest attendee atleast 1 of the ships they were eligible for |
Uthgaard
Because Wardec
41
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Posted - 2017.06.15 20:11:24 -
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Dude I think we can safely move on from that point. You've been running it into the ground all morning. Even the devs have said you're wrong.
Move on. |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2017.06.15 20:11:42 -
[109] - Quote
Kixx wrote:So you basically are shooting the messenger and you really don't want people coming forward showing your errors.
The precedent is now set if you get away with something CCP blatantly overlooks then keep your mouth shut and collect.
Aryth and co got parts of their profits confiscated too when they revealed how to farm FW for infinite money. In this case the person that started the thread on reddit has already said that he expected 1 ship per person not account. In both cases people have come out and exposed a thing that is bad for the game rather than sit on it for personal profit.
Same with ghost training, I'm perfectly fine if they go back and remove any and all SP/money that has resulted from that even if I would be personally impacted (had no idea what it was and some of my accounts have expired since alphas were introduced so might have profited from it all). Health of EVE is much more important than some personal profit! |
Uthgaard
Because Wardec
41
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Posted - 2017.06.15 20:17:25 -
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Axhind wrote:people have come out and exposed a thing that is bad for the game rather than sit on it for personal profit.
Yeah that's not even remotely accurate. Dude sold all of the ships and bragged about all the cash he made.
TF out of here with trying to act like he reported it to CCP and donated the proceeds to orphans. |
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Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
430
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Posted - 2017.06.15 20:17:27 -
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... and another blunder that makes a few players filthy rich in no time. Why even bother making ISK the traditional way? Just wait for the next overbuff of a ship class or the next event that drops rare high-value items en masse or the next hand out of billions of ISK for people with lots of accounts.
And those are the legal ways. Im not even starting with all the exploits, because then my post will probably get deleted. |
Cypherous
Liberty Rogues Aprilon Dynasty
258
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Posted - 2017.06.15 20:45:49 -
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Uthgaard wrote:Dude I think we can safely move on from that point. You've been running it into the ground all morning. Even the devs have said you're wrong.
Move on.
Who are you referring to, if its me they haven't proven anything i've said wrong, you're caught up on the ghost training guy, doesn't change that people who didn't exploit ghost training will be getting multiple ships as per the article in the launcher :P |
Axhind
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
368
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Posted - 2017.06.15 20:51:59 -
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Uthgaard wrote:Axhind wrote:people have come out and exposed a thing that is bad for the game rather than sit on it for personal profit. Yeah that's not even remotely accurate. Dude sold all of the ships and bragged about all the cash he made. TF out of here with trying to act like he reported it to CCP and donated the proceeds to orphans.
Aryth and rest of the jewball did the same. They warned CCP that this was an issue before the change was implemented but as usual CCP ignored the advice. Only way to get it changed was to show people just how huge of an effect it has.
Just like things get nerfed once we (goons) start doing them so much that even CCP devs have to admit that it is broken as **** and has to be fixed. Remember how everyone told them that entosis interceptors are broken as ****? Nothing happened until it was shown to be so on TQ by us and others. Sadly CCP has huge issues with ego's which is not strange considering the incompetent people sitting on its board of directors. |
Uthgaard
Because Wardec
41
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Posted - 2017.06.15 20:54:03 -
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Algarion Getz wrote:because then my post will probably get deleted.
That's a safe bet. I've had 2 yoinked from this thread and a thread lock. Which is silly because the same ISD who did it can be found defending the thoroughly described process all over the first three pages before it was officially declared an exploit. |
Nana Skalski
Taisaanat Kotei
35206
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Posted - 2017.06.15 21:06:28 -
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Uthgaard wrote:Algarion Getz wrote:because then my post will probably get deleted. That's a safe bet. I've had 2 yoinked from this thread and a thread lock. Which is silly because the same ISD who did it can be found defending the thoroughly described process all over the first three pages before it was officially declared an exploit. That means there is a mess everywhere on their side. If it would be easy for them to solve, than CCP stance would be clear from beginning.
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Salu Kelmalu
Hedion University Amarr Empire
5
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Posted - 2017.06.15 21:11:16 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Hey guys, A couple of clarifications here. I've also posted these elsewhere, but making sure they're also here for clarity Firstly as has been said before, these ships are going to become available more openly pretty soon (in the next few weeks or so) as part of in game rewards, and will be available in future as part of offers, promotions and via other means. In addition to this, IGÇÖve just been speaking with our customer support team, and theyGÇÖve confirmed that as part of the reprimands issued against those whoGÇÖve been abusing Ghost Training, these ships, or the ISK that abusers of Ghost Training have received from the sales of them, will be confiscated as part of any reprimands that are issued. We recognize the fact that you guys are concerned about this, and wholly accept that this is on us. The intention is not at all to reward anyone for abuse of Ghost Training, and as such weGÇÖll make sure that any reprimands that are issued include removal of this stuff. Apologies for getting you guys all riled up. ItGÇÖs been a tough week, but weGÇÖll make sure that justice is served. In addition to this, a couple of our amazing customer support guys are going to come in and clarify your concerns with a few answers over what to expect in terms of how weGÇÖll be investigating this. Hope this helps assuage at least some of the concern.
Thanks for coming on and clarifying. |
Gogela
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
3453
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Posted - 2017.06.15 22:48:21 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:*snip*
In addition to this, a couple of our amazing customer support guys are going to come in and clarify your concerns with a few answers over what to expect in terms of how weGÇÖll be investigating this.
*snip*
Yah... the follow-through it the tough part. Removing ships and ISK is the kicker. This was a massive screw-up but I don't think it's something that will actually get fixed.
I would bet some alt-alpha accounts will be 300 billion in the red. Those accounts will just get scrapped. I would be pretty surprised if any real ships or ISK were confiscated. -300 billion (or whatever) x however many alt-alpha accounts and the problem will be marked "fixed".
I hope I'm wrong... but I've been here a while and see how things get "fixed".
Meh. This game is giving off a real pay-to-win vibe lately. Can't say I care for it.
Signatures should be used responsibly...
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ISD Max Trix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1920
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Posted - 2017.06.15 23:30:05 -
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Quote: 6. Racism and discrimination are prohibited.
Racism, gender stereotyping, hate speech, and sexism are not permitted on the EVE Online Forums. Derogatory posting that includes race, religion or sexual preference based personal attacks and trolling can result in immediate suspension of forum posting privileges.
12. Discussion of forum moderation is prohibited.
The discussion of EVE Online forum moderation actions generally leads to flaming, trolling and baiting of our ISD CCL moderators. As such, this type of discussion is strictly prohibited under the forum rules. If you have questions regarding the actions of a moderator, please file a support ticket under the Community & Forums Category.
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ISD Max Trix
Lieutenant
Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)
Interstellar Services Department
I do not respond to EVE mails about forum moderation.
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Dirty-Rotten-Pirate
Rancer Tourism Association
69
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Posted - 2017.06.16 03:16:17 -
[119] - Quote
So - If I make ISK by playing the game, rather than spend that time setting up accounts, then I am missing out on an opportunity?
I am looking forward to seeing how many accounts per hour I can make. Is there an upper limit to the number of accounts per email address?
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Selphentine
Aliastra Gallente Federation
168
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Posted - 2017.06.16 03:39:48 -
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Falcon just said its going to be removed. You can stop posting that its unfair now, as long as it actually happens. |
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