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OziStorm
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Posted - 2007.05.22 04:12:00 -
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Am Caldari. Can Fly a Raven but am having lots of fun with a Caracal doing level 1 missions. I have all Engineeering skills to 4. Good Gunnery and missiles skills too. I need the best smallship I can get to do Worlds Collide but i dont have Frigate 5 yet. Another 8 days..:-( What would best...a Merlin? or another suggestions or hints? Thks Ozi
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Kzarr Ntakki
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Posted - 2007.05.22 05:31:00 -
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Get a destroyer:) 8 high slots and more HP than a frigate make you a killing machine. You can own WC without having to do Frigate V until some later date that way.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.22 15:12:00 -
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Edited by: Janu Hull on 22/05/2007 15:10:42 Fit out the Cormorant with 6x 150mm with Tungsten. Enough range to pretty much hit anything in the room and take it down in one volley if you fly straight at it. The Cormorant will take a lot more punishment, but not so much you're going to nail it in one shot. Destroy an enemy or two, then warp out, repeat until complete.
RCU in the low slot, the best Small Shield Extender you can put in the midslots, with a rat specific shield hardener. An AB helps too, its fast enough you can marginalize some damage through speed tanking.
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Futuris
Minmatar Nano Ltd
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Posted - 2007.05.22 16:46:00 -
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Edited by: Futuris on 22/05/2007 16:44:46 You can easily do it in a Merlin with no warpouts, just use the correct gate (left one I think).
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Vereor Is Inceptum
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:01:00 -
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On level 1, this mission is very easy in either a destroyer or a tier 3 frigate. Go for the left gate, kill them. Go straight through the next room without killing anything. Go into the third room, shoot the three ships around the Heron, rescue the crew, warp out. Takes about 5 minutes tops. ------------------------------------------------ FT Diomedes - That ship looks like one of those centipede things from that game, what's it called? FT Cold - Centipede. FT Diomedes - That's it! |
HepastoIII
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Posted - 2007.05.22 17:31:00 -
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go in and not shoot all rats.....Boring :-)
What can you salvage from live rats.......nothing
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Vereor Is Inceptum
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Posted - 2007.05.22 18:45:00 -
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It's a level 1 mission full of Serpentis rats. They are not worth looting and barely worth salvaging. It makes a lot more sense to speed through the mission and move on to another mission. Take the LPs and the quick mission reward and move on. Less of a grind. ------------------------------------------------ FT Diomedes - That ship looks like one of those centipede things from that game, what's it called? FT Cold - Centipede. FT Diomedes - That's it! |
Janu Hull
Caldari Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.22 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: FT Diomedes It's a level 1 mission full of Serpentis rats. They are not worth looting and barely worth salvaging. It makes a lot more sense to speed through the mission and move on to another mission. Take the LPs and the quick mission reward and move on. Less of a grind.
Depends. If you're a nubbin with not much cash flow, and no access to T2, you can sometimes pull components from wrecks definitely worth keeping. I've been seeing Prototype railguns, and plenty of named launchers, along with the same in other mods.
And salvage is always worth it, especially in volume. You can easily double or triple your money gain from salvage.
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Ramjb
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Posted - 2007.05.23 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: FT Diomedes It's a level 1 mission full of Serpentis rats. They are not worth looting and barely worth salvaging. It makes a lot more sense to speed through the mission and move on to another mission. Take the LPs and the quick mission reward and move on. Less of a grind.
Glad I didn't read this two months ago.
the first time I ran Worlds Collide (After turning it down two or three times on my corpmates' advice), I did it in a cormorant. When I came back to salvage/loot I found a Low-Grade Serpentis Delta implant in one of the ships (the overseer was a T2, I think...I couldn't salvage his ship at all, btw, system told I couldnt so I assumed a too low salvage rating).
I auctioned the item and won 66M with it after three days. And I was a 2 week character by the time ;). Call about a nice isk injection for a noob :D
I've done lvl WC two times after that (then I moved to Lvl2),never got anything similar. Guess I was just lucky. But you never know what you can find in a mission as loot :D.$
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K'thang
Gallente Ferengi Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 12:04:00 -
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Quote: Glad I didn't read this two months ago.
the first time I ran Worlds Collide (After turning it down two or three times on my corpmates' advice), I did it in a cormorant. When I came back to salvage/loot I found a Low-Grade Serpentis Delta implant in one of the ships (the overseer was a T2, I think...I couldn't salvage his ship at all, btw, system told I couldnt so I assumed a too low salvage rating).
I auctioned the item and won 66M with it after three days. And I was a 2 week character by the time ;). Call about a nice isk injection for a noob :D
I've done lvl WC two times after that (then I moved to Lvl2),never got anything similar. Guess I was just lucky. But you never know what you can find in a mission as loot :D.$
This is a nice tactic from CCPs side, since it makes us use more time to loot and salvage. Time Sink. I've gotten a few rarities every so often myself. Not so often that it would seriously impact any large economy but enough so I always keep looting most missions anyway. Because you can be sure that the mission you skip looting, always has that big prize right? |
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Vereor Is Inceptum
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Posted - 2007.05.23 12:36:00 -
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It figures that someone would say "OMG, you missed out on a 66m ISK implant!" That has nothing to do with THIS mission. It could have happened on any mission. The fact that someone got lucky on a level 1 mission does not make up for the fact that the loot and salvage are better on higher level missions. Sure, I've picked up some nice stuff on low level missions, but the loot from level 1s is nothing compared with higher level loot - on average. The better drops on a level 1 mission are complete junk on a level 3. When running level 1 missions, your first goal should be to have fun. After all, if you don't like Eve in that first couple of weeks, you are not going to keep playing it. Your second goal should be to get to level 2 missions as fast as possible, then on to Level 3 missions. Once you get to level 3, you can slow down a bit, because the jump to level 4s is pretty steep.
A super rare drop, such as a faction module, can happen in any mission or off any rat. But that is like playing the lottery. Every X number of ships will have a rare drop. A friend of mine got a faction ship BPC off a 0.6 rat the other day. He was just killing time ratting and picked up a 60m ISK BPC. This guy doesn't rat on a regular basis. He was just messing around. He got lucky.
Worlds Collide has historically been regarded as one of the harder level 1 missions. Lots of ships have been lost attempting it. I know people who have quit Eve because of World's Collide (it's okay, they probably wouldn't have lasted long anyway). As a new player, you are better off completing Worlds Collide in 5 minutes, at little risk to your ship. In the time you spend risking your ship to kill everything in WC, I can complete two or three more missions with very little risk. That means I get story line missions faster, that means I get to Level 2 missions faster.
Now that I am on level 3 missions, I loot and salvage every wreck in every mission I run - I am playing the lottery. But if I can complete a mission easily without killing anything, and I know from eve-wiki or eve-info that there is no consistent "treasure chest" there, then I will do it quickly and spend my time on another mission.
PS - What I have to say is probably not very relevant to the OP. He is a more highly skilled player running level 1 missions (he can fly a Raven and he has strong engineering and gunnery skills). It might be fun for him to play WC and kill everything. But for a week old player with most of his capital invested in his frigate or destroyer, it just isn't worth it. ------------------------------------------------ FT Diomedes - That ship looks like one of those centipede things from that game, what's it called? FT Cold - Centipede. FT Diomedes - That's it! |
Ramjb
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Posted - 2007.05.23 15:00:00 -
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Edited by: Ramjb on 23/05/2007 15:00:53 Edited by: Ramjb on 23/05/2007 14:59:05 FT diomedes:
I'm well aware that I got struck by a lightning of sheer and pure good luck. Never said otherwise. I just said that, had I not looted (and I loot while I salvage), I would've never found it. It may be one chance in a zillion but I just happened to hit it. And won't have otherwise.
Anyway is a moot point for back on time I salvaged and looted as much as I salvage and loot right now. I go, kill everything in sight, then I come back with a salvaging ship to salvage and loot.
Keep in mind, given the low lvl1 isk rewards, any salvage you get is a wonderful isk injection and any module you get contributes too. Also I got interested in rig building back then, so I saved the materials I needed for some rigs I've built later (some for me, others for the market). Now I keep on salvaging/looting for the same reasons. I'm an industrial character after all, and the proper rigs give quite a bit of money.
What I try to say is that it depends a lot on what do you focus on doing, salvaging is not a loss of time in those low level missions. And maybe in high level missions too (depending on your character focus)
One other thing:
Originally by: FT Diomedes
When running level 1 missions, your first goal should be to have fun. After all, if you don't like Eve in that first couple of weeks, you are not going to keep playing it. Your second goal should be to get to level 2 missions as fast as possible, then on to Level 3 missions. Once you get to level 3, you can slow down a bit, because the jump to level 4s is pretty steep.
You know...this is not true. The first goal is to have fun. The second goal is to get your learning skills up ASAP. That's what I did. And that means you can't get into a lvl2 mission soon, for if you do, you're toast.
What I did...develop learning while learning this-or-that other skills (salvaging being one of the first) in between learning skill and learning skill. By the time I had access to Lvl2 missions I couldn't do them. I was in a destroyer and still with one week to go before I dared to move into cruisers (I don't like moving into ships I know my skills aren't good enough for-one of the reasons I won't step out of my drake for a long time to come).
If you fix in learning skills soon, your skills won't be good enough to do lvl2 missions effectively. The hardest ones at least. I've seen enough guys in local and in corp chat telling how they had just lost their brand shiny new cruiser in a lv2 because they simply hadn't the skills to properly and safely do them. So I stayed in lvl1s for a quite longer time until I got all the tier 2 learning skills up to III at least. THEN I learned some combat skills (the essential ones) and THEN I moved into the next level. It paid off,as I blitzed through lvl2s and got into lvl3 in no time, and I know that has saved lots of ISK on the long run.
I've lost just 1 ship in missions, besides two condors I lost the day I was "born" into EVE: a Drake in angel extravaganza because I was too stupid to step into room IV without a BS friend (I had no idea on how hard torpedoes hit, lol).And I've always been relatively rich compared with the guys who started more or less at the same time as me, because I did lots of money with salvage, and saved by not losing ships
I know there are people who aren't patient enough to do that. It's to be expected: some people want to rush to the next ship ASAP, no matter they'll lose it sooner or later. I'm a more calm person and I like to take things bit by bit.
So summing up: Yah, at Lvl3 and (I guess ,for I've not yet accepted any lvl4 missions, tho I've helped corpmates in some) lv4 missions it might be better to move on to the next mission without salvage. But with the rediculous isk and lp given by lvl1 agents (and to a point, lvl2) salvaging those missions is well worth it. At least for characters like mine who aren't rushing for the next level ASAP
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Vereor Is Inceptum
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Posted - 2007.05.23 15:54:00 -
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Very good points. When I started playing, I spent the first couple of weeks learning a combination of learning skills and basic skills.
I didn't start running my own combat missions right away. I ran some courier missions, then spent as much time as I could helping my corp mates out on their level 3 missions, while I got my skills up a bit. I'd take my destroyer in after they drew aggro and kill frigates and destroyers. I was basically just a very big drone. This gave me the time needed to get my combat-related SP up some, which allowed me to ace through my own level 1 missions. By the time I could access level 2 missions, I could fly a cruiser pretty well. I then blitzed through level 2s and I am acing level 3s in a BC and BS. Now I am going back and picking up the last learning skills before picking up the important level 4 and 5 trainings. ------------------------------------------------ FT Diomedes - That ship looks like one of those centipede things from that game, what's it called? FT Cold - Centipede. FT Diomedes - That's it! |
OziStorm
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Posted - 2007.05.24 13:49:00 -
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Thks guys... good reading you guys, FT Diomedes make good points. Just hadnt had the time to do much EVE so I did panick when I got the WC mission. Followed your advice i took a Merlin with good AB, took left gate and just warped thru thru gates till the last one. Killed all and completed mission...:-) No looting cause cant afford to fit a Salvager in Merlin. no cap... So now that i have a fully equipped Merlin and Caracal whats next for me as missions get harder? Fit my Raven? or something else i shoud get before Raven?? Cerberus? what ship as Caldari should i go to next? thks Ozi
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Vereor Is Inceptum
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Posted - 2007.05.24 14:34:00 -
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The Drake is a sweet ship for running Level 3 missions.
You also might want to fit out a destroyer as a dedicated salvager/looting ship. With 4x salvagers, 4x tractor beams, an AB, 3x Cap Rechargers and 1x cargo exander, you can fit out a nice cormorant. ------------------------------------------------ FT Diomedes - That ship looks like one of those centipede things from that game, what's it called? FT Cold - Centipede. FT Diomedes - That's it! |
OziStorm
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Posted - 2007.05.24 14:39:00 -
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is the idea to bookmark the spot where the cargo dropped on a mission and go and get the Cormorant to loot?
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Pang Grohl
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.24 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: OziStorm is the idea to bookmark the spot where the cargo dropped on a mission and go and get the Cormorant to loot?
That's it exactly. A MWD will help if you've strewn wrecks all over space during your mission.
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Solomunio Kzenig
Amarr Ordo Ministorum
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Posted - 2007.05.24 22:34:00 -
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FT Diomedes: roughly how much SP's did you have when you started 'acing' Lvl3's? I started flying Lvl3's with about 3 mil SP's, and found them real hard. Since then this char has been pretty much inactive as i've trained up CAP skills and Gunnery/Drones/Missiles/Mechanic etc...ATM i'm at about 5.3 mil or so and thinking of dipping back into lvl3's (i've had a mining alt running to keep me occupied...)
One Empire, One People, One Emperor, Forever under Heaven. Amarr Aeternus.
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Esaka
Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.25 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: FT Diomedes It figures that someone would say "OMG, you missed out on a 66m ISK implant!" That has nothing to do with THIS mission. It could have happened on any mission.
You are wrong, it has in fact something to do with THIS mission. Worlds Collide spawns an Overseer after a random time which is a random rat out asteroid group. Asteroid rats cover a wide range of bounties from low value up to Faction spawns. So in this case the guy got lucky and got an Overseer spawn which was in fact some masked Faction rat. Before the last big patch you could see the real name by using the scanner, which isn't possible anymore. However this stuff does NOT happen to normal mission rats, you'll never end with faction loot from them. There may be other missions where a random spawn might happen and most likely the rat will follow some odd naming schema, WC is the only mission where I know the exact conditions. Even if you never loot anything, you should always check the can of this rat.
Originally by: FT Diomedes A super rare drop, such as a faction module, can happen in any mission or off any rat. But that is like playing the lottery. Every X number of ships will have a rare drop. A friend of mine got a faction ship BPC off a 0.6 rat the other day. He was just killing time ratting and picked up a 60m ISK BPC. This guy doesn't rat on a regular basis. He was just messing around. He got lucky.
Like I already said, it wont happen in a mission - asteroid rats however are an entire different business. A normal asteroid rat wont drop faction stuff, only rats with a special name like Shadow Serpentis *something* or Dread Guristas *something* have a chance to drop faction loot. -------------------------------------- Agent & Mission-Info: http://www.eveinfo.com Evewide Market-Info: http://eve-central.com/ |
Marrano Cardosa
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Posted - 2007.05.25 17:15:00 -
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At the time I first got WC I was easily clearly all rats from the other level 1 missions, so I tried this one the same way. When my pod got back to the station, I decided to try destroyers, as I had enough skill to fly a cormorant. Didn't get clear of the second gate. Boy was I glad I had started insuring my ships. Then I learned that the secret of this mission was to RUN thru the first two rooms. I have not had a problem since with the level 1 mission (the level 4 is a different story, but I made oodles of money on this doing the first room and then salvaging, looting). The only time I have cleared all the rats was when a corpmate asked for help, and three of us (two merlins and a cormorant) cleared ALL the rooms, and left the salvage to the new corpmate.
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OziStorm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:50:00 -
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so is it possible to bookmark first 2 rooms and go back later to loot in bigger ship after completing the mission?
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Keri Rydell
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Posted - 2007.05.26 08:12:00 -
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yep, just bookmark the wrecks in the first room, warp into the second, kill, bookmarks etc, complete the mission and jump to your bookmarks directly, loot, salvage...
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FT Diomedes
Gallente Vereor Is Inceptum
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Posted - 2007.05.26 11:29:00 -
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As others have said, just bookmark one wreck in each room. Then you can come back to loot/salvage once you complete the mission. The wrecks only last for a couple of hours before they dissappear.
As for how many SPs I have... I have around 2.6 million now. About 1.3 million in Learning. About 700K in Gunnery. About 400K in Spaceship Command. About 50-60K in the other useful skills (Drones, Engineering, Electronics, Mechanic, Missiles). In other words, I have very low combat SP. But, for the most part they are in areas that are tailored to the ships I fly (Myrmidon and Megathron). Lots of people would say that I "don't have the SP to fly these ships" but I can complete any Level 3 mission with relatively little difficulty. By that, I mean that I might have to warp out once or twice if I get mobbed, but for the most part Level 3 missions are easy. ------------------------------------------------ FT Diomedes - That ship looks like one of those centipede things from that game, what's it called? FT Cold - Centipede. FT Diomedes - That's it! |
Ragos Dain
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Posted - 2007.05.27 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pang Grohl
Originally by: OziStorm is the idea to bookmark the spot where the cargo dropped on a mission and go and get the Cormorant to loot?
That's it exactly. A MWD will help if you've strewn wrecks all over space during your mission.
Quick question. I am researching MWD but what exactly do you do with it? I currently salvage with my cormorant with 3 tractor beams and can go through the wreck fairly quickly.
BTW I lost 4 ships to this mission first time I did it including a destroyer
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Elspeth Vigneron
Caldari Phoenix Logistics Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.27 16:25:00 -
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Originally by: OziStorm Am Caldari. Can Fly a Raven but am having lots of fun with a Caracal doing level 1 missions. I have all Engineeering skills to 4. Good Gunnery and missiles skills too. I need the best smallship I can get to do Worlds Collide but i dont have Frigate 5 yet. Another 8 days..:-( What would best...a Merlin? or another suggestions or hints? Thks Ozi
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Darth Vaders
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Posted - 2007.05.28 13:23:00 -
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I did it with Condor. Just keep on runing and fight only when necessary . Keep your distance and you ll be fine. An afterburner helps much in this mission.
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Doc Murdo
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Posted - 2007.05.28 18:02:00 -
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Did CCP change Worlds Collide ?? I just got this on my trial account and it was (NOT EASY) but killed all of them .. good little Rifter setup
at one point I did get to 15/350 Structure .. but still lived and go about 400K ISK in rewards/bounties and loot
Don't be afraid to lose a bit.. just have FUN ! Raaaawr
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RuriHoshino
Minmatar The Mission Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.28 18:43:00 -
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Did CCP make this mission harder? I don't remember having a problem clearing all the rats, though I had a Rifter too :-) There are lvl 3's I can run in that ship, it's just awesome. 2 arty and 2 launchers, punch the rats from 20k out, AB away at 1,000 m/s if they get too close. Shield extender and booster round out the mids, and a PDS, cap power relay and nanofiber in the lows. A similar setup should yield similar results on equivalent ships, i.e. the Tristan, Merlin, etc.
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Mishaca
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Posted - 2007.05.29 08:18:00 -
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ppl not all of us are old players that dont have problems with lvl 1 missions. i am playing for a month and a few days and i have about 2 mill sp and i have some problems with worlds colide but oi now tend to resolve them with a trasher fited with 7x 125mm autos 1xarbi rocket(thorn) on meds 1 ab T1 2xsbield extenders(+750 sh hp) and 2x gyro on lows.
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Roy Gordon
Caldari The Star Wolves
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Posted - 2007.05.29 12:34:00 -
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From my experience doing lvl 1 Worlds Collide, the easiest Caldari ship to do it in was most definately the Cormorant. A fairly cheap setup is something like this-
Highs 8 x 125mm Compressed coil rails with Irridium/Antimatter
Meds T2 Small SB Cold Gas Arcjet AB 2 x Rat Specific hardeners/shield amps
Low Mark 1 PDU
Apart from the T2 shield booster, the rest was all picked up as loot on missions. If you have money to burn then swapping the 125's for 125mm proto rails and the Cold Gas Arcjet AB for a T2 AB is the best option. With the first setup I could go down one gate, destroy all the rats there, go to the Heron, collect the crew, go back to the warzone and do the other gate as well. The trick to remember is that once you jump through the first gate IMMEDIATELY switch on the AB and head away from the rats to increase range to about 30/40 clicks before firing. That which does not kill us makes us stronger. The Universe is ruled by three basic principles- Matter, Energy and Enlightened Self-Interest! |
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