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VinceNoir
Amarr Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 01:00:00 -
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Edited by: VinceNoir on 23/05/2007 00:59:03
Originally by: Wylker
Originally by: wierchas noobhunter
Originally by: Wylker Edited by: Wylker on 22/05/2007 19:57:39
Originally by: Vasili Z DAMNIT, THEY KNOW.
Heh. bd
@OP: Nice cheerleading tho, I hope it makes all the northern alliances put aside every single issue that has plagued the north since Eve began and join eachother in peaceful harmony forever.
hey how u can do that oposite b ?????????????????????????????
lol /b/ 4 life :)
I apologize for my corp mate, he is out of his mind on acid and accidentally broke #1 & #2. Sorry.
Originally by: "Shanda Captison" Vince, you can't even spell ECM m8
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Faust Edited by: Grim Faust on 23/05/2007 00:10:20
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Is it too late now? I really would'nt know, Razor seems to have a lot of fighting spirit but with FLA and Sparta backing down, Iron pulling out without a fight and D2 motherships running around moving assets out of stations i cant say the future looks all that bright for them.
FLA didn't back down. We fought to the last ship and last inch of our space. We lost a lot in the assault on our space. The reason why we 'left' Deklein was because our last system/station was about to lose sovereignty. All the towers were reinforced and that was that. MC offered us a cease fire because they knew it was over as well. If we still had a station, we'd still be up there. But with all our space taken over, what else are we supposed to do?
We're not out of this war either. The ceasefire is long over and standings to the alliance forces are back to red. If you think we've given our all, you're wrong. We'll be back. This was only a chapter in our history books, with plenty more to come.
This is why most of us fighting in the north (well I am aonly speaking for myself ;p ) actually respect FLA. We know you will be back, and it will be with a vengeance that most of the north just aren't capable of possessing, and when that time comes, im sure it will be 100% total fun ;)
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.23 01:28:00 -
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Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 23/05/2007 01:28:08
Originally by: Spawck
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr It's looking like D2 were just another ASCN style carebear shell after all.
Tbh D2 and friends we're/are much more then that, the only problem they had/have is the fact that they're all running in different directions, the majority of alliances there worried about their health right here and now and failed to see the big picture. If they had communicated better and united into one big warmachine they would have had an excellent chance at repelling the invaders.
Is it too late now? I really would'nt know, Razor seems to have a lot of fighting spirit but with FLA and Sparta backing down, Iron pulling out without a fight and D2 motherships running around moving assets out of stations i cant say the future looks all that bright for them.
Will the universe through the complete and total domination by bob? Haha no.
You people who have opinion's about the health of D2 in this thread have no idea what you are talking about. It is ALL BS!!!
If you want to know why D2 is having trouble, read the post that have been made about the several Corps. that have left D2 in the last few weeks. There are at least 4 or 5 Corps. that have left recently, and there are more to leave soon I am told.
Problems started while we were still in Fountain. The MC attack on the North really has little to do with this. D2 would have problems even if MC never showed up at our door in Branch. MC's timing was fortunate for them.
Enough said or I am going to get in trouble :)
But for the RECORD, all of this speculation about why D2 is having problems are 100% wrong. You guys just don't get it, but I guess that is okay if you want to go on believing what you want to believe.
If you really want to know what is going on, read the posts on this forum from the Corp's that have left D2. That stuff is pretty much right on.
Sorry, but the sheer amount of carriers and motherships jumping in and out of your mid-cynos in Venal from Branch speak volumes.
It also doesn't explain why you refuse to use them in a fight when MC has theirs on the front line day in, day out. FYI camping 5-15 pilots in a station every now and then doesn't count.
Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Draekas Darkwater
Sanctum Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.23 02:05:00 -
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Originally by: Phrixus Zephyr Edited by: Phrixus Zephyr on 23/05/2007 01:28:08
Originally by: Spawck
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain ...stuff...
You people who have opinion's about the health of D2 in this thread have no idea what you are talking about. It is ALL BS!!!
If you want to know why D2 is having trouble, read the post that have been made about the several Corps. that have left D2 in the last few weeks. There are at least 4 or 5 Corps. that have left recently, and there are more to leave soon I am told.
...more stuff...
Sorry, but the sheer amount of carriers and motherships jumping in and out of your mid-cynos in Venal from Branch speak volumes.
It also doesn't explain why you refuse to use them in a fight when MC has theirs on the front line day in, day out. FYI camping 5-15 pilots in a station every now and then doesn't count.
I don't really know, but maybe the part of the post I that you quoted which I have left alone above is the reason for that. Specifically the area I bolded. I'm sure EVOKE and all took thier assets out of D2 space before they left the alliance.
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Crovan
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.23 02:20:00 -
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I honestly think Mistess Suffering borrowed Ginger Magician's smacktalk phrasebook.
Beating up on smaller alliances? Before the massive exodus of corps (including yours), D2 was one of the very largest alliances in-game.
ISK farming? It's called having goal-oriented economics and a strong, dedicated base of players willing to take extra effort and sacrifice extra fake money to make it happen on the individual, corp, and alliance level by helping us fund our giant internet spaceships.
SP farming: lol....just lol.
I will say that it is possible if rather unlikely that we outnumber the north now, but that's mostly due to people giving up on the help and coordination that has never come from their allies. When this started, all that we knew for sure was that MC was taking on the Dragon of the North. We were excited, but understandably concerned by the enormity of the task before us. Thankfully, we have found some great partners for this endeavour, and we owe much of our success to their willingness to take the lead from us in many instances and essentially trust us with their assets. From various sources, we have heard that the case for the north is quite the opposite. There are some particularly funny quips about some RZR and D2 FCs iirc.
Could MC accomplish what we have if we were on our own? Absolutely not. Could any of the other alliances here with us have done it alone? Probably not. It is the arrogance and peace-born softness of the north that has brought this storm down upon them. The OP makes great points about coordination, but tbh I have seen the same thing posted on EVE-O more than once before.
The North has sown the seeds of arrogance and complacency, and now it is time to reap the whirlwind.
Originally by: Major Stormer
Quote: What should the MC do?
Make things explode.
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Mistress Suffering
Einherjar Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.23 02:56:00 -
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Eve-O is tiresome because average reading comprehension is close to zero. Thank you for proving that once again. I'll use smaller words.
Groups entering EVE these days simply aren't going to make a difference to mega-alliances. Such constructs are the culmination of the work of years. BoB is, D2 is, RA is, MC is. These years of play provide massive ISK resources, high SP chars to fly super-caps, and the huge capital fleets.
There's no reason BoB/MC/anyone else _shouldn't_ be doing that. That's effective. But EVE lacks a good way to offset that. Even GS, who are the ultimate example of 'new blood' in EVE and bring the human resource of many thousands of players, struggle to deal with that much entrenched EVE progress.
That's fine, these alliances are all playing at a level that is really only reachable by groups that started on that path years and years ago. My main point is that the number of such groups is very much a finite amount, and if a few more of them fall down, there won't be much left to provide a good challenge at that level. Then what?
Then we get noisy people like you shouting "I am so cool", knowing no one is going to magically build a competitor at this point, and mostly likely folks like Blacklight and Seleene wandering around going "hmm... so um, I wish there was someone else worth fighting".
Seems like a dead end.
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Mahrin Skel
Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.05.23 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Spawck If you want to know why D2 is having trouble, read the post that have been made about the several Corps. that have left D2 in the last few weeks. There are at least 4 or 5 Corps. that have left recently, and there are more to leave soon I am told.
Problems started while we were still in Fountain. The MC attack on the North really has little to do with this. D2 would have problems even if MC never showed up at our door in Branch. MC's timing was fortunate for them.
Military pressure tends to either heal internal rifts, or split them wide open. Generally, in the end, sorting out which was more responsible (internal or external) for defeat is pointless. Pressure from the Northern Coalition pushed the Allied forces closer together, the reversal of the pressure seems to have caused splits not only between the northern alliances, but within them. In Eve, wars are most often decided by which side first loses the will to fight, and in that arena, the internal and external are inseparable.
--Dave
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Brother Theos
Amarr Dark-Rising Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.05.23 03:58:00 -
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Originally by: Tobruk
Every time i read a post like this it makes me long for the days before this game filled up with 12yo WOW players. anyone else remember those days?
When exactly did the Goons join EVE?
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Elad Dranoel
Dark-Rising
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Posted - 2007.05.23 04:12:00 -
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Tbh, I think it was the lack of coordinated mining ops that lead to the destruction of G. They have a few things to learn about mining from MC.
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Tomas Ysidro
Caldari Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.23 04:32:00 -
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Hell hath no fury like a Nyx full of mining drones
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Angor
The JORG Corporation FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 04:57:00 -
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I'm just wondering with a post like this from a southern alliance member that is blue to d2, why infact no support from the south has been sent to help the north. I mean d2 claim they dont have the player base at the right time and is why they are loosing, so why dont they have Goons or RA etc. living up there for a month or so to help out. I mean if the north falls, the south is obviously going to be next, is it not in their best ineterest to protect them in the long run? _______________________________
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 1 Shot 1 Kill
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Posted - 2007.05.23 05:08:00 -
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this thread makes bunny sad
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Ria Sotori
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.23 05:09:00 -
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I'll probably be shot for giving away such super sekrit BoB information but I think the op needs to learn step one for combat comms.
- Create an allied alliances forum for you and your buddies and discuss this there.
Did you in all honesty and complete candor truly think this post would "benefit" your side ?
We your enemies of course like to win but we prefer to grind you into the dust than have you do it for us. K thx.
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fightnkill
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.23 05:29:00 -
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Apparently, most of the players can't read the Topic.
This topic was addressed to NORTHERN COALITION members.
Just close the topic, I think they got the message anyway. ty
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 06:15:00 -
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To the op. WTF do you know? Well this seems to be the time for all the backseat drivers to come out and comment. :)
One step up from the alts but instead how about you do something about it :) I know alot of people who has spent countless hours trying to make it work. If it doesn't, it doesn't and we'll move on and try again. We will however not sit back and focus our gametime on commenting what others do. I've said this many times and I'll say it again. Stop whining and get out there and do it, or continue what you're doing now :)
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Fred0
Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.23 06:17:00 -
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Originally by: fightnkill Apparently, most of the players can't read the Topic.
This topic was addressed to NORTHERN COALITION members.
Just close the topic, I think they got the message anyway. ty
We got the message allright. And so did 100.000 others. How about you instead use Thyrrax. He has clear and established comms lines to us and he can reach us in less then 5 mins.
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fightnkill
Dark Blade Incorporated Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.23 07:33:00 -
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Edited by: fightnkill on 23/05/2007 07:38:04 Well Sorry if this post may have caused some damage.
It's clearly obvious that there is no such thing as Freedom of Speech in Caod (Just relized that). I get flamed not only by Enemies, but Allies as well.
I've only stated my opinion, and once again, it reflects upon MY POINT OF VIEW, not my corp, not my alliance, and not the southern coalition. As a matter of fact, I'm quiet new to this new alliance/corp/coalition.
Just Wow.
No wonder why people post in ALTS. hey, at least I have some balls to post this on my main.
but o well, gg Caod, I lose
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Bibi
Minmatar North Face Force Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.23 08:12:00 -
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your wrong you must understand that the people that attacking the north only do pvp many of them anyway.
Then you have mission runners,miners and npcers some pvpers ofc but many that just join pvp gangs from time to time defending the north.
so you cant just say its mainly becuse of their determination, unity, and Inner lines of communication.
As well of the fact that they are taking the advantage of the fact that most Northerners are divided.
they are not pvp alliances and that makes it hard for them people like to do other stuff then pvp you need to like/love the pvp part of the game to get something done. You cant just go on a OP here and a OP there...
so not quiet striking to see the north being pushed around by a bunch of smallers alliances. remember that mc is not just some random small alliance with a few pvpers
its Crystal clear really why do you think the north is called NAP heaven not becuse they like pvp anyway!
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Redbad
Minmatar Be Inspired Inc.
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Posted - 2007.05.23 08:22:00 -
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Originally by: fightnkill Edited by: fightnkill on 23/05/2007 07:38:04 Well Sorry if this post may have caused some damage.
It's clearly obvious that there is no such thing as Freedom of Speech in Caod (Just relized that). I get flamed not only by Enemies, but Allies as well.
I've only stated my opinion, and once again, it reflects upon MY POINT OF VIEW, not my corp, not my alliance, and not the southern coalition. As a matter of fact, I'm quiet new to this new alliance/corp/coalition.
Just Wow.
No wonder why people post in ALTS. hey, at least I have some balls to post this on my main.
but o well, gg Caod, I lose
As an innocent bystander, the answers you got says it all.
The only sensible post I read was from Wraithstorm of Storm Armada; although it was his opinion it represented a logical view of the situation.
It all comes down to leadership.
RB
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Lucian Alucard
Caldari Generals Of Destruction Syndicate Terror In The System
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Posted - 2007.05.23 08:29:00 -
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Try something new? They will sadly as history has shown its usually too little too late.
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Ztang Canary
Amarr McDuff Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.23 08:34:00 -
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Id say cudos to the OP! Ive had the pleasure of residing in one of Eve's largest and at the time presumably most powerful alliances, and am all too familiar with how the frustrations of not being heard can take its toll, leading to a search for other means of getting heard. Fame often leads to pigheadedness and elitism, so also with notables and leaders in the various alliances involved in this conflict. Again, this leads to a breakdown in communications, and the comms lines to the top brass get severed, making it hard if not impossible to pitch ideas, discuss strategies, etc, etc, ....leaving the regular joe frustrated and with declining motivation. There is nothing more disheartening than seeing your strategies fail over and over, and yet your leadership keeps telling you "this is how we do it, shut up and fight"....
Perhaps that is where the Southern boys are better? Perhaps shooting down people like fightnkill is not the way forward...perhaps opening ones ears and actually listen to the people that do your ground work for you is not such a bad idea? Communication is key, dont shut your people out..include them, and make them feel valued. This is basic knowledge in motivational pshycology...also these are methods that reside in the heads of people that werent born yesterday.
So keep talking, fightnkill....and all those other silent voices out there..don't let your leaders gag you. To the leaders, Id advice an open mindset..your alliance members are on your side..use them, and their knowledge for all its worth!
Ztang Canary *********************** In limbo, awaiting the day when Eve is played on truly equal terms, when every player is equal to CCP, and wins/losses arent determined by lag and server issues. |
Cardassius
Seraphin Technologies Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.23 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Ztang Canary
Perhaps that is where the Southern boys are better? Perhaps shooting down people like fightnkill is not the way forward...perhaps opening ones ears and actually listen to the people that do your ground work for you is not such a bad idea? Communication is key, dont shut your people out..include them, and make them feel valued. This is basic knowledge in motivational pshycology...also these are methods that reside in the heads of people that werent born yesterday.
I can only say: MC FC's 4tw! ;) They know who they are!
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Krystian
Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.05.23 09:39:00 -
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Yeah darn... shoot... golly....
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HordeZla
Domination.
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Posted - 2007.05.23 09:44:00 -
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Originally by: Beyond Horizon Someone just realised that if the north is done for their ass4s are next :p
YOU CANT STOP THE RAPETRAIN !
LMAO., so funny and yet so fitting.
If only the Dam North did not have break vans on there trains egh.
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GoGo Yubari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.23 11:35:00 -
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Edited by: GoGo Yubari on 23/05/2007 11:38:49
Originally by: Mistress Suffering Groups entering EVE these days simply aren't going to make a difference to mega-alliances. Such constructs are the culmination of the work of years.
Well, you know, you said it. A group entering the game today can't bring down the giants. Some time down the line, if they play their cards right (just like the current batch of top dogs have), they'll have their shot at glory. It's not like you can't kill these giants. Yeah, that's kinda tough, but Eve is the rare type of game that delivers that kind of play.
Besides, there is more to Eve than the elusive end-game content that comprises the titanic struggles of the most powerful alliances.
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MOS DEF
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.05.23 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Vasili Z DAMNIT, THEY KNOW.
I lol'd.
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Oli4Oli4
Viper Squad Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.23 12:13:00 -
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Just a small reply to the primary post.
IMO the Coalition while fighting in Q lacked comunication and dedication.
But atm i see more and more that RAZOR/MM/Hyrda/Pure/Rule of Three are working together so imo the comunications are not that bad anymore.
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NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.05.23 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion I'd like to take this opportunity to welcome the birth of Northern and Southern parts of The Coalition.
I previously thought it was just one Coalition. I guess your numbers grew too large that it warranted organizing things into separate groups for better efficiency.
TBH there never was one coalition. We were never able to get standings sorted with AAA or RA throughout the entire 4 month campaign, and it took a nasty-gram forum post here to get IAC and TCF to cooperate. -------------------------------------
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Tyrrax Thorrk
Amarr Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.23 14:37:00 -
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You didn't bother going through proper channels before making your public thread natmav, not with IAC at least.
But I agree, it was never one coalition, for historical, geographic and linguistic reasons, I dunno who decided a coalition even existed or that everyone should have standings with everyone else despite being enemies and generally not operating within 40 jumps of each other..
Oh and fightnkill, you're complaining about allies and enemies flaming you but ignore your alliance's president ? Expressing your opinion publically as a member of an alliance means people consider what you say (rather patronizingly and from a position of ignorance) to represent our opinions.
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DeadProphet
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.23 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sir Bart A mothership is one of the few things you can bring out without risking anything as there is currently no way to kill them except for a huge army of nos battleships as well as a means to killing it after you have it held in one place. Titans are the other ships you can use without any risk.
-Bart
D2 alone vastly outnumbered MC et al in terms of supercapitals at the start of the campaign - i dont think you can use that as an excuse, do you?
that their pilots preferred to camp low sec rather than fight the war is symptomatic of how they got into this mess.
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