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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:17:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:So you think that injected skill books shoudl be destroyable as well?
They are destroyed the moment you inject them.
Quote:Clothes that arent worn are quite destroyable.
Whereas implants are destroyable both worn and unworn. The slippery slope from the indestructible clothing argument (that you are buying an eternal supply of items from Noble Appliances) will be that the same logic be applied to ship skins thus having customized skins that are also indestructible.
Quote:NeX isnt fine as it is, there needs to be either a fix or a removal. I am one of the ones who think it can be fixed to be worth the effort in adding in more items related to it. I seriously think its the whole reason why we havent had any new corp logos in years.
The reason we haven't had new corp logos in years is the reason why eve went through a huge 2 year slump. The game was on maintenance mode while the management poured resources into other projects. The solution is not to surrender on the issueo of microtransaction content ghettos for $ but to convince CCP to genuinely support the game again and that means modernizing and update all the important elements of the corporate/alliance interface.
And this isn't us asking for charity for heavens sake!
Successful corps and alliances with good identity push player loyalty and more money for CCP through reliable subs. Whoever in CCP suggested that you slap corp leaders around the face with the insult of needing to pay additional MT for a logo on your ships needs throwing into the harbour because its a fiscal nonsense argument (on stilts). If you have players effectively doing your job for you and selling your game by building meaningful long term corp/alliance identities then you provide them the tools and smile happily while the money roles in. You DO NOT try to nickel and time the people organizing corps over corporate logos!
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Cipher Jones
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:21:00 -
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Jade Constantine wrote:[quote=Hirana Yoshida] ...
Too many cooks spoil the broth.
When they did the Star wars universe they did the same thing, let every douche in a 10 light year radius get in on the 'lore'. The Star Wars universe is so inconsistent its disgusting. At this point they are just making **** up as they go along.
I used to argue about the lore of Eve. Then someone linked me some, as my concepts were "wrong". I was able to find "Eve lore" for both sides of the argument. Theres no point in getting set in "This is how New Eden is because I read it". Somebody already wrote something contradictory.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
2689
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:23:00 -
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New corp logos havent been touched in .... 6 years I think much longer than the 2 year carbon coding project and other games though I am just inferring the logo itself, not where its applied.
The quesiton about prenium options from the op however was retorihical I seriously hope nobody considers this as good idea. Its a bad in anygame Ive seen it in so far and has no excuse.
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FireSplitter
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:28:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote: NeX isnt fine as it is, there needs to be either a fix or a removal. I am one of the ones who think it can be fixed to be worth the effort in adding in more items related to it.
NEX can't be fixed because is nothing wrong with it, there is no good/bad NEX. It is an Item Mall just like all others and it should be removed from EVE, in my opinion. It does not fit in this game. |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
583
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:28:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:A new questions for Jade and Tippia since they the only ones not frothing from the mouth in getting rid of the store.
What if the clothing items where available though both ingame and currency avenues? LP may take to long to grind for and players want the instant satisfaction where avaialble and plausible. (as I see no there is no need for non military/ non professional clothes to be in the LP store, yet) where the prices in the NeX are in a way arbitarly competitive against the LP store? (basically low enough MT price that it may consider being bought verses the time it would normally need to grind and get standings needed in the LP store to obtain the outfit)
No froth here, or from many others in this thread. |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1175
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:28:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Back to Jade, I find it annoying that I forget what hardwires I had before I died with certain bodies. Would be nice to make a 'snapshot' of what's plugged in for quick repurchases for whatever jump clone I lose.
Fair enough feature request that one. No problems at all with having jumpclone templates to enable you to fit replacement implants as one currently fits ships.
Quote:However you're right the clothes shouldnt been pernament this was something that was done wrong out the door under quick notice and now that its out of the can it be very bad to get rid of it. Probably just as bad of a fiasco as taking away medical coverage from a union member.
I'm not convinced really. I don't think there are many players who have actually purchased NeX clothes with real money. If neccessary you could run the numbers and just reimburse them the PLEX they paid and make all the clothing genuinely destructible (I would be surprised if this amounts to much actual isk)
Quote:Ultimately I feel that the NeX needed probably 3 expansions worth on the test server before launch to allow alot of time for players to mold and shape it into a digestable MT store but the earnly launch with little to no players feeding it what needs to be done and how it was done leading to a poor launch.Only thing we seemed to have managed to do was prevent ships from appering out of thin air with the ishkone watch scorpion.
Well back then ccp monocle and ccp thousand dollar jeans were in "damn the torpedos and ignore those annoying players they don't understand our :awsome: mode" so any feedback was either ignored or denied by not providing actual facts and figures in advance. This was the bad old ccp and hopefully its gone forever now.
Quote:Your previous commet which I have to edit is one reason why the Micro-Plex thing came about CSM been talking about it and unfourutantely due to PDAs we where given only a small hints as to whats in store. The idea that they may change the name of Aurum into a micro-plex may be up to something who knows but ccp and csm. I just only hope players will have much more of a voice in NeX 2.0.
I'm actually quite disappointed with the current CSM on the issue and I feel they are rolling over on the principle by suggesting that ship customization should be a potential microtransaction. I too am waiting for the minutes with interest - but I'm expecting that CSM has pretty much folded collectively and let CCP get away with the notion of "vanity items" for MT not covered by the subscription. Suffice to say if it turns out this way I'll be looking for some other CSM's to support next time.
Quote:And your right the entire UI and pricing scheme was probably not that well invested into. Unlike the clothes and character deisgns the biggest chunks of the investment.
Yep and the clothing can be recycled easily into traditional means of player industry. Losing the rubbish NeX interface and its PF-breaking bullshit really won't hurt anybody.
I do agree that the LP store menus could certainly do with revamping themselves. Hopefully the "new ccp" will be able to achieve something on this score.
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction
1175
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:30:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote: When they did the Star wars universe they did the same thing, let every douche in a 10 light year radius get in on the 'lore'. The Star Wars universe is so inconsistent its disgusting. At this point they are just making **** up as they go along.
I used to argue about the lore of Eve. Then someone linked me some, as my concepts were "wrong". I was able to find "Eve lore" for both sides of the argument. Theres no point in getting set in "This is how New Eden is because I read it". Somebody already wrote something contradictory.
Don't get confused in the principle Cipher Jones - but feel free to tell me why an Amarrian government owned corporation is allowed to control a clothing monoply in space stations owned by people they are actually at war with?
The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom. Jericho Fraction is Recruiting! |
Cipher Jones
297
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Posted - 2012.01.02 20:34:00 -
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FireSplitter wrote:Nova Fox wrote: NeX isnt fine as it is, there needs to be either a fix or a removal. I am one of the ones who think it can be fixed to be worth the effort in adding in more items related to it.
NEX can't be fixed because is nothing wrong with it, there is no good/bad NEX. It is an Item Mall just like all others and it should be removed from EVE, in my opinion. It does not fit in this game.
You are entitled to your opinion, and I respect it.
People also don't want walmart in their neighborhood. And Adult Book Stores stores. And ***** bars. And they open them anyway and they prosper. So for CCP as a company to ignore that would be counterproductive.
See what happens when fat neckbeards try to ride little ponies? The ponies die. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
2689
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Posted - 2012.01.02 21:01:00 -
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I rather have a walmart open than a kmart though. Which is the main thing I am trying to discusses here though. We got a really bad store that makes alot of people angry and possibly even quit and move on.
Question I am asking though where can we fix it. What sort of sales/sevrices/smiles with the products can we make to be a bit more welcoming and not destroy the whole town.
Sure there will be the ones that always want to burn the walmarts down like in that one computer foresnics case I had to practice on, but at least I want them to be buying the materials to burn it down with from wallmart, oh the irony.
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Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
583
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Posted - 2012.01.02 21:09:00 -
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Cipher Jones wrote:FireSplitter wrote:Nova Fox wrote: NeX isnt fine as it is, there needs to be either a fix or a removal. I am one of the ones who think it can be fixed to be worth the effort in adding in more items related to it.
NEX can't be fixed because is nothing wrong with it, there is no good/bad NEX. It is an Item Mall just like all others and it should be removed from EVE, in my opinion. It does not fit in this game. You are entitled to your opinion, and I respect it. People also don't want walmart in their neighborhood. And Adult Book Stores stores. And ***** bars. And they open them anyway and they prosper. So for CCP as a company to ignore that would be counterproductive.
To support this point:
NeX store - You are not allowed to dress up, act out and record your adult indulgences - you can only buy this material at the Adult Store!
That would be rubbish!!
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Kessiaan
Greater Order Of Destruction Happy Endings
26
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Posted - 2012.01.02 21:26:00 -
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Cindy Marco wrote:Bischopt wrote:I'd rather see NeX and aurum removed completely. I agree, they need to just drop them.
I think linking Plex to Aurum was a mistake (or a blatant attempt at sinking PLEX's out of the economy, or both). I don't have any problem with WiS fluffies being based on an alternate microtransaction currency (especially if WiS is the point of interaction with DUST players, which is all microtransaction based) but it shouldn't be linked to PLEX to ISK, rather it should be purchasable directly and tradable after that.
Nutshell:
People playing EvE use ISK. Playing playing DUST use Aurum. Aurum is tradable for ISK but only spawns when someone buys it. It'd be like other games' RMT currencies that way. Remove the link between PLEX and Aurum entirely. |
Rixiu
North Star Networks The Kadeshi
62
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Posted - 2012.01.02 23:15:00 -
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Kessiaan wrote:Cindy Marco wrote:Bischopt wrote:I'd rather see NeX and aurum removed completely. I agree, they need to just drop them. I think linking Plex to Aurum was a mistake (or a blatant attempt at sinking PLEX's out of the economy, or both). I don't have any problem with WiS fluffies being based on an alternate microtransaction currency (especially if WiS is the point of interaction with DUST players, which is all microtransaction based) but it shouldn't be linked to PLEX to ISK, rather it should be purchasable directly and tradable after that. Nutshell: People playing EvE use ISK. Playing playing DUST use Aurum. Aurum is tradable for ISK but only spawns when someone buys it. It'd be like other games' RMT currencies that way. Remove the link between PLEX and Aurum entirely.
Replace aurum with ISK? |
Solhild
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
583
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Posted - 2012.01.02 23:38:00 -
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Rixiu wrote:Kessiaan wrote:Cindy Marco wrote:Bischopt wrote:I'd rather see NeX and aurum removed completely. I agree, they need to just drop them. I think linking Plex to Aurum was a mistake (or a blatant attempt at sinking PLEX's out of the economy, or both). I don't have any problem with WiS fluffies being based on an alternate microtransaction currency (especially if WiS is the point of interaction with DUST players, which is all microtransaction based) but it shouldn't be linked to PLEX to ISK, rather it should be purchasable directly and tradable after that. Nutshell: People playing EvE use ISK. Playing playing DUST use Aurum. Aurum is tradable for ISK but only spawns when someone buys it. It'd be like other games' RMT currencies that way. Remove the link between PLEX and Aurum entirely. Replace aurum with ISK?
You'd have to do that, or lots of people with unused Aurum will be unhappy. They never refunded learning skill books because of the release of isk into the economy. I imagine this will be much worse so it'll be interesting to see how they do it. Another solution would be to extend account subscriptions by the days and hours they represent as a fraction of PLEX. |
Connaght Badasaz
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2012.01.03 00:16:00 -
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The idea of paying real money for items, even an item that doesn't affect gameplay, isn't the way forward. I understand that other games have been able to make more money for it, but it's still distasteful. Right now, it's clothing items. It will be more later if it's not taken care of now. As these games age, and new people come along from the other games that have these MT stores, they will expect Eve to have one, and if it does they will expect to be able to buy "special" things.
If this is at all successful, there will be "special" things. You and I may not be here, but "special" things will be. I hate slippery slope arguments, but in my gaming experience, once the store is in, it's in. And it will expand.
tl:dr, Destroy it with evil intent and allow players to make the items. |
T'amber Anomandari Demaleon
www.shipsofeve.com
203
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Posted - 2012.01.03 01:47:00 -
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Anything that could, should or would be purchasable with aurum need only be available for isk, or evenly available to all for free.
The nex store doesn't belong in eve, the only way to make it better is to retire it to the eve wiki as an unread footnote. |
Kewland Ozom
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.01.03 01:52:00 -
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What if Autumn was called Micro-Winter? |
SgtGoodEnd
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:54:00 -
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I don't have any problems with Nex Store, to me is as if it doesn't exist, took a glance at it when it came out and that was it.
I do wonder why so many people went with it... However its there choice, anyone is free to do what he/she wants with their money.
In the end I see Next as something that brought into the game a whole lot of welders, just saying... |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
218
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:57:00 -
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What if a dog was called a cheeseburger? What if a cheeseburger was called an obstacle course? What if an obstacle course called me on my smartphone???? The world is full of mysteries.
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
SgtGoodEnd
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 15:59:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:I rather have a walmart open than a kmart though. Which is the main thing I am trying to discusses here though. We got a really bad store that makes alot of people angry and possibly even quit and move on.
Question I am asking though where can we fix it. What sort of sales/sevrices/smiles with the products can we make to be a bit more welcoming and not destroy the whole town.
Sure there will be the ones that always want to burn the walmarts down like in that one computer foresnics case I had to practice on, but at least I want them to be buying the materials to burn it down with from wallmart, oh the irony.
You don't have much too do, do you...?
Try getting out of the house more often, you will see real people for a change... All these pixels are not good to your health, just saying... |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3092
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:36:00 -
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SgtGoodEnd wrote:Nova Fox wrote:I rather have a walmart open than a kmart though. Which is the main thing I am trying to discusses here though. We got a really bad store that makes alot of people angry and possibly even quit and move on.
Question I am asking though where can we fix it. What sort of sales/sevrices/smiles with the products can we make to be a bit more welcoming and not destroy the whole town.
Sure there will be the ones that always want to burn the walmarts down like in that one computer foresnics case I had to practice on, but at least I want them to be buying the materials to burn it down with from wallmart, oh the irony. You don't have much too do, do you...? Try getting out of the house more often, you will see real people for a change... All these pixels are not good to your health, just saying...
Good sir I have a good 12 inch V-shaped scar on my lower back from where an airplane hit me, dont question how often I get out.
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SgtGoodEnd
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:41:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote: Good sir I have a good 12 inch V-shaped scar on my lower back from where an airplane hit me, dont question how often I get out.
I apologie for that, not my intention as I'm sure you understand. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
3092
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:51:00 -
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Apology accpeted, I just have an over active mind thinking of ideas all the time when they be eve, things for myself or how to fix my latest problems my customers bring to my work load and now college trying to get ahead of the professors.
If I worked at CCP for a day I can probably spend weeks at a post it board containing every single paper cut I can find in the game and making post it note for each.
As for the updates to the topic from other threads and updates I picked up on.
'Aurum' is to stay it seems Dust 514 is using it as its micro transaction currency. However its quite possible to make the things into microplexes still by merging them and forcing token turn ins. -Source : PS3 network store
Team Avatar was formed up its a 5 man team they're working on finishing started but unfinished for launch content on incarana, this to me translates into captain quaters functionaility and papercuts. Essentially no big major incanra updates for the next year. -Source: Eve online, general discussion, CCP please update us on the status of WiS.
CCP is rethinking NeX store deployment however may not touch it until 'ambulation' aka incarna 2.0 is released in attempt to paint it in proper colors. - CSM Minutes.
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SgtGoodEnd
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.02.06 16:56:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote: Apology accpeted
Thank you, all the best to you mate...
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