|
Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 11 post(s) |
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.25 23:53:00 -
[1]
Hey look on the bright side, At least we know there is no way in hell that CCP is going to stuff this up as badly as they they did last time.. right guys?
You know with all the 3rd party news sources now clamouring over yet another CCP controversy isn't it about time you decided to scrap it all and actually hire a staff with a single shred of professionalism who aren't completely obsessed with blatant cheating and someone who is capable of investigating these allegations without keeping the results hidden away, you know, the thing that he's getting paid for?
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 02:15:00 -
[2]
Originally by: Dianabolic tbf guys, if you're all so offended by the fact that we've built up a relationship with the makers of this game over FOUR YEARS of playing it, perhaps you should start acting your age and, instead of looking to sacrifice them for your own gains at every opportunity, engage with them to make this game what we all want it to be?
That's all we want it to be, regardless of what you think of us or how we or CCP go about it, but instead you go in to "threadnaught" mode.
It might be something for you all to consider.
Or, you can all continue crying like *****es.
Your choice, right?
GUYS WE TOLD CCP WE WANT YOU TO STOP PLAYING SO CCP IS GOING TO MAKE IT HAPPEN!
Why are you crying? Stop crying! It's not even your game!
:V
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 02:37:00 -
[3]
Originally by: Rebellion
Originally by: Beka Rosselin I'll hold off comment on the basic issues until we hear more, but one thing I will say.. springing this the way you did, and at the end of the business day on a Friday no less, has no doubt put CCP into the perfect frame of mind to deal with your case in a fair and balanced manner.
To everyone demanding that CCP respond to all allegations in full detail immediately, take into account when/how this was dropped on them. They need to gather information, get all the people involved to give their sides of the story, etc. And what do you want to bet that many of them had already gone home for the weekend when this whole issue came up?
That's probably the intent here. To pull this antic on a weekend so that it stays up longer. During the weekend there are more people browsing stuff and reading things, and less CCP to do investigation. If they really wanted quick resolution from CCP, they'd have timed this during CCP work hours on a weekday. I don't even have to cite proof that the main reason for this stunt is controversy.
None of us even know what really happened, but the goons believe it's their godgiven right to have a onesided soapbox by inundating the forums and other sources of information with themselves.
Can't you even wait until next week for CCP to finish their investigation? What's with the urgency? Is this some life threatening issue that needs to get resolved by people working overtime?
yah because we totally have control over when a DEV decides to infiltrate our alliance.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 02:40:00 -
[4]
Originally by: Rebellion
Originally by: Foopadoo It's no "dread getting bumped by a polaris frigate", that's for sure...
Credibility would be good for your side, it'll help your argument. If you really believe that CCP is out to get you, why bother posting with an alt?
I dunno man, Maybe because THEY ARE AFRAID OF BEING BANNED?
Also laffaux at your comment on credibility.
Who's the only alliance in the history of eve to have been caught receiving unfair advantages from CCP?
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 02:48:00 -
[5]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 26/05/2007 02:47:37
Originally by: Rebellion
Originally by: Poolpy Bob members are not entitled to talk about credibility. kthxbye.
Oh, and you are?
So I'm suppposed to be gagged? What's with all the outrage at goon spammers - I mean honest, unpremeditated 3rd party outrage - having their spam threads locked - i mean censored?
Why would I even believe that you had the truth as your objective when all of you lot have spammed this same thread with one-liners for the purpose of trolling, in the hope of getting a response from us that you can then twist into a bigger troll?
Unless you got your own delorean sitting in your garage that you can use to go back in time and prevent the t20 scandal from ever getting out and help your parents get together at the school prom then you are not allowed to have a credible opinion on this matter.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 02:59:00 -
[6]
Originally by: Rebellion
Originally by: Stahlregen Unless you got your own delorean sitting in your garage that you can use to go back in time and prevent the t20 scandal from ever getting out and help your parents get together at the school prom then you are not allowed to have a credible opinion on this matter.
What part about t20 saying that he was alone in what he did escapes you?
My credibility is not for me to dictate or for you to decide. People decide what they want to believe. If they don't believe what I say then that's their decision. You goons should understand this. After all, you're not interested in proving anything, you just want people to believe the allegations, because as long as they believe unsubstantiated accusations, it's enough.
Nuh uh, You don't get to do that. If you want to lump all those goonies together like you freaking love to do. Right, You know what i'm talking about don't you? Hell, you even refer to it by refering to us as "you goons"
Your alliance cheated and was proved to have accepted help from CCP, you have admitted to having private discourse with CCP employees therfore according to your own logic because one of your corp members who also happened to be a Dev was caught cheating the rest of your alliance are cheaters.
And why are you toting your credibility (That is purely judged accordingly to the posts in this thread, like you say) when, by easily seeing from the majority of the outraged posts directed right at you show that your credibility is absolutely ****house?
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 03:12:00 -
[7]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 26/05/2007 03:11:57
Originally by: Rebellion
Originally by: Hail Xenu As you know, having GS forum access and all, most goons are banned from eve-o forums and have to use trial account alts to post.
Using an alt does not make the points made less valid, decent way to divert the argument when you are losing, I guess. Well, maybe not.
You goons have no one else to blame for your accounts being banned from posting in the forums, after the antics you've continually pulled on EVE, and attacks made to CCP outside of the community. There has to be a special kind of depravity that makes one seek to ruin a company's reputation just because of failure in a game.
Not wanting to be confrontational, there is a way to achieve change in EVE without harassing CCP. If you just treated EVE as a game that CCP made, and you pay to play, instead of thinking that because you pay you are entitled to demand that CCP create a game according to your specifications, you would have a little less goon rage at being unable to understand why people who have been playing longer play better.
Once again, Goons are ruining eve because they don't want to put up with blatant cheating and just want to get to the bottom of the truth.
Stop using this old line, It's making you look like a moron.
edit: If you had actually paid attention to the thread (don't worry i know you did really read it, you're just hoping that the rest of the people reading your post didn't) you would see that we had already tried to address this situation BUT WAS SHUT DOWN BY THE GMs
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 03:29:00 -
[8]
Originally by: Inturist
Originally by: Yuki Nagato
Originally by: Inturist
Didnt thought something better ?
Lets try it one more time sugar
If you really believe we pay $10 in hard (real) cash for our frigates, you should probably get your head checked and stop reading BoB propaganda.
Oh yeah, and go outside.
Should i turn on my Sony VEgas again and strat editing more movies with VERY NICE conversations with Goonies in local , and some private ones ?
Yeah, Because you getting trolled by goons and your near illiterate responses are really making this thread go places.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 03:36:00 -
[9]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 26/05/2007 03:35:23
Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad
Originally by: squidgee Edited by: squidgee on 26/05/2007 03:20:35
Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad That is how eve works, get over it.
This is the problem with BoB. Right here.
Cheating? That's how EVE works. MSN contact with devs? That's how EVE works. Devs spying for you? That's how eve works.
Bend over and take it, because apparently corruption and cheating are just how eve works.
And before you try to deny you're bob again:
Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Bob is just doing what any normel humans would do. Because we are normal human beings who just enjoy eve, unlike you t1 goonies who just want to ruin it.
Nice typo.
Colluding with Devs and GMs isn't "being normal human beings," it's cheating.
I'm not bob, I just made a typo
besidies, you need to stfu until your alliance can actually hold your space
Bob has just tried to be friendly to the people who made this game nad you're trying to destroy it. if you really liked eve you'd shut up and get in touch with eve before whining on the forums. Your alliance is already ruining hte game with spies and lag exploits and crapping up 0.0 with your noobs who don't deserve to be there, you don't need to do any more to hurt the game.
All of you goonies need to stop posting and hyurting eve.
Nah, I'm pretty sure you're bob
edit: or the best reverse troll i have ever seen
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 04:03:00 -
[10]
Originally by: Invidious Malinigvious
Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll
Originally by: Orange Species
Quit whilst your not ahead.
You're a much better troll than the OrangeSpecies that works the morning shift. He's a better POS bowler though.
Afternoon OrangeSpecies is the only one that can DD competently though. Really you guys should use VNC instead of RDP so you can at least monitor each other for cross-training purposes.
any proof? You know your idiot corp members have petitioned him about 10 times aleady.
Well, Beyond the assumption that the player of orange species is a cyborg with no need to sleep or in fact attend to any other responsibilities in life aside from flying a spaceship around the clock, no, i guess not.
And we all know how helpful petitioning is, You know.. in a massive thread that only originated because of the simple fact that petitioning does indeed not work.
Oh snap son, Let's see you pick yourself up from that one.
|
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 04:10:00 -
[11]
Originally by: Invidious Malinigvious
Originally by: manimani
Originally by: Invidious Malinigvious
Originally by: Iraf Thaiberd
Originally by: Phelan Driscoll
Originally by: Orange Species
Quit whilst your not ahead.
You're a much better troll than the OrangeSpecies that works the morning shift. He's a better POS bowler though.
Afternoon OrangeSpecies is the only one that can DD competently though. Really you guys should use VNC instead of RDP so you can at least monitor each other for cross-training purposes.
any proof? You know your idiot corp members have petitioned him about 10 times aleady.
HOLY ****, YOU CAN EVEN READ OUR PETITIONS?!?!?!
About the answer I expected from your ilk.
Good work falling for the most obvious of obvious trolls.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 06:38:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Viktor Bout Goons go and play POTBS. In POTBS you have a Dev whos a member of SA/Goons. You are searching for an excuse to leave eve coz you ruined nearly every mmporg youve joined exept eve. You assimilated nearly every corp in your area and you still cant win this game. You cant win by blobbing and you cant win by leaving drama bombs. Zerg away...
NO DAMNNIT!
We're going to ruin this game if it's the last thing we do!
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 06:59:00 -
[13]
Originally by: JeanColbert Misstakes are made everywhere, crooks and rotten appels are also everywhere. We should give ccp the opportunity to correct any mistakes made. Let them show they can deal just and fairly and with credibility. I would advice them to let the ceo himself (or a thrustwhorthy outsider) underwrite the report of the investigation.
Unfortunately CCP so far has failed any attempt to police themselves to the point where it takes a threadnought and a downing of the forums on both occasions just to get CCP to even acknowledge any wrong doing.
People are really ****ed and want blood, Like right this second. Seriously, If the backlash from the last cover-up was such an embarrassing (Yet somewhat hilarious) state of affairs i cannot wait for their response this time around.
Yeah we already know BoB and CCP employees are cheaters, maybe not all of them but we know that its happened, this has already been confirmed when everyone last started throwing allegations around and the scapegoat owned up, yet for some reason was not punished.
Yeah we also know that we don't have a Dev's admission of guilt to these new set of allegations, Because now CCP is meant to prove to us that they are in fact not completely and utterly corrupt.
CCP's truthfulness and professionalism is now seriously doubted and you can expect to see more and more of these threads until the issue of transparency is solved by CCP once and for all. Or they at least manage to successfully convince us that they are actually trying to help, Which obviously is not working if we are having this problem, Again.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.26 23:48:00 -
[14]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 26/05/2007 23:51:46
Originally by: Tholarim
Originally by: Vozzek
Originally by: Tholarim
i hear alot about logs. let's see them then.Must be some damn convincing proof.
We posted them? Not my problem if you can't be bothered to read them.
so the 5 lines of local chat are your proof? don't make me laugh harder.
You are squabbling with alts and trolls while sitting back, laughing and going on about how much of a good time you are having all the while fruitlessly hand waving, ad hominem attacking freaking everything and trying to drown everyone's logic with stupid.
Hey dude, Now i know this thread might be a bit confusing, seeing as how for some incomprehensible reason the majority of posters in it aren't pandering to your counter-propaganda, because newsflash, it's illogical and everyone has already agreed that your team sucks at debating.
You were trolled like eighty pages back right in the OP, You fell for it and responded. The beauty of the troll is compounded by the fact that here you are, 80 pages later still squabbling with alts and trolls, laughing at them laughing at you, laughing at them, laughing at you, laughing at them.
You are not enjoying yourself, It's painfully obvious by the way you are stabbing wildly at every lurking shadow of disent against the matrimony between CCP and certain alliances all the while keeping you distracted and ultimately unable of forming even a somewhat counter argument beyond "SOUR GRAPES LOL ******* LOL GOONS ARE NOOOBS SEE YOU IN SPACE HAAAAAAAAAAH!"
You've been had chief.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 00:13:00 -
[15]
Originally by: Jeval Met'markand People are forgetting that Raekhan was already in violation of CCP's (or any other corporation's) employment policy by not submitting his paperwork in full. That is reason enough to fire someone on it's own. He also posted in a public channel during a battle, after admitting he was within a foot of another ship, 70km is nothing, we all know that. I haven't been here very long, so maybe I'm a step back from you all who have been playing for months or years, but IMHO, anyone writing from the perspective of a fired employee is not necessarily to be trusted completely, whether they were wronged or not. The bottom line is, CCP exists to make money. When it's players are upset, they stop playing and paying for memberships, and the company makes less money. Not only is there no better way to get back at CCP than raising exactly this kind of ruckus, but CCP has all the motivation in the world to correct the problem and deal with it accordingly. When publicity is the only thing that can interrupt the flow of new players into the game, and cause older players to quit, it makes perfect sense that part of damage control is limiting what is posted/published on the subject. Simply because a petition was not responded to, or a post was deleted, or an email ignored does not mean they are trying to hide or ignore the problem, it means they don't want to start any more rumors than there already are. Silence is an open invitation to talk and vent, but a single poorly-worded sentence can do far more harm, even when the intent is to placate.
You cannot hold corporations to the same moral expectations as individuals. They are not individuals.
So be patient.
Welp, Looks like you missed the entire point of the thread, go read the last 80 pages and try again.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 00:31:00 -
[16]
Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: G Barker If CCP hadn't started the mass bannings and message board deletions to try and shut them up, they wouldn't have had to use such a drastic measure. GS was doing what they had to do to bring truth to the playerbase. CCP was trying to use brute force to shut them up.
lol, i dont get tired of hearing that broken logic. Thats the measure for their 'justice' huh? I'm sure there is no way possible any of the ppl that were 'shut up' were acting inappropriately themselves... How is it a huge cover up when CCP tries to handle things internally ESPECIALLY when its obviously an internal issue?
Was anyone in game effected in any way by what has happened? Nothing goons pulled can be justified, its a joke to pose otherwise.
Anyone that maliciously spams these forums to take them down are being selfish attention *snip* and should be perma-banned. Thats justice!
Anyone trying to damage CCP as a company because they are think they are on some crusade should be perma-banned. Thats justice.
So now that its out, all the goons will just let CCP deal with it right? Not going to run around the internet trashing our game and our community? right?
I hope every player threatening to quit makes good on their threats. If you think THIS is evidence the game is rigged against you, you definitely should.
Because we are accusing them of being unable to police themselves, which would as i'm sure you already know, ultimately make anything an internal investigation turns up meaningless.
But hey, Go on about broken logic as much as you want, i'm sure there are still maybe one or two eve-o browsers that were ultimately unaffected by this whole deal that aren't convinced that you're full of stupid.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 00:40:00 -
[17]
Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Hanns Choibman The unbalanced nature of Band of Brothers and their role in the game, that has gone past a balanced playing field, is so extremely obvious to anyone that understands how investing works.. That is, from a logical point of view. And what freebies they started with, back before any investigations started.
Not just their freebies, but their Tier 1 players relationship's with the creators of the game that 99% of the rest of the player base does not have.
When you compound these factors and their derivative advantages you get a result; that you see today in reality, coincidence? The answers are in the details if anyone at CCP were bright enough, or bold enough to find.
yeah, the fact bob is so good has nothing to do with the hard work and determination they have put into this game.
the fact your losing a war has nothing to do with your inability to adapt, pull allied forces, and beat them at their own game.
i remember when i fought bob in fountain.. something like 5 bob caldari ships plugged up one of the pipes, killed anything that came up to them. Up to 3-4v1 odds, they held their ground... i dont remember a dev in a polaris shield boosting their ships? They were simply that good.
Its that ability that keeps them winning. Not some tinhat conspiracy. But hey, whatever helps you sleep at night.
You didn't fully comprehend what he was hinting at, BoB has been recorded as having cheated, Meaning their abilities are tainted. Now go crunch some numbers and do some crazy hypothesis on what advantages they may or may not have gotten from CCP.
He's saying that having such a close relationship with CCP allows for advantages that are incalculable, This is the single biggest flaw in the game currently.
In a game where knowledge is key which through that you can attain all else, Any mention that an employee colludes with a player should not happen. Ever.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 01:48:00 -
[18]
Originally by: Mitch Manus
Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: fire 59 CCP, you have made a wonderful game which is thoroughly enjoyable to play. It has been infested with an entity who doesn't care about the community because they are there own community and will stop at nothing to kill the game it seems. Keep up the good work and don't let all teh assclowns get to you.
Couldn't agree more. Now if only this entity would break it's ties with CCP and stop seeking out unfair advantages from the developers maybe we could stop the torrent of people canceling their subscriptions. BoB, through cheating, has done more to hurt this game than any other alliance. One more big scandal like this and Eve is over with no one but CCP and your alliance to blame.
No, bob arent the ones spamming the forums causing it to have to be taken down. Bob arent the ones spamming mindless assumptions around on game websites, getting bad publicity for the game.
Yeah dude, We've been over this before.
Once again, The only reason the forums were threadnoughted was to draw attention to allegations that CCP cannot police themselves.
Also it's not a mindless assumption, It's an allegation.
Allegation. Allegation. Allegation. Allegation. Allegation. Allegation. Allegation.
Allegation.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 01:59:00 -
[19]
Originally by: Mitch Manus
Originally by: Stahlregen
Originally by: Mitch Manus
Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: fire 59 CCP, you have made a wonderful game which is thoroughly enjoyable to play. It has been infested with an entity who doesn't care about the community because they are there own community and will stop at nothing to kill the game it seems. Keep up the good work and don't let all teh assclowns get to you.
Couldn't agree more. Now if only this entity would break it's ties with CCP and stop seeking out unfair advantages from the developers maybe we could stop the torrent of people canceling their subscriptions. BoB, through cheating, has done more to hurt this game than any other alliance. One more big scandal like this and Eve is over with no one but CCP and your alliance to blame.
No, bob arent the ones spamming the forums causing it to have to be taken down. Bob arent the ones spamming mindless assumptions around on game websites, getting bad publicity for the game.
Yeah dude, We've been over this before.
Once again, The only reason the forums were threadnoughted was to draw attention to allegations that CCP cannot police themselves.
Also it's not a mindless assumption, It's an allegation.
Allegation. Allegation. Allegation. Allegation. Allegation. Allegation. Allegation.
Allegation.
Ok then, an allegation. But it still doesn't stop the fact that your evidence is based on assumptions.
Yeah, Logical and rational assumptions.
As in: 1. Bob has had contact with ccp in the past and t20 admitted to it. 2. Screenshots which seem to imply that bob do infact have contact with CCP 3. Dianabolic and other bob members admitting to their contact with CCP and in some cases even trying to rationalise said contact.
Resulting in the Allegation being made that bob have unfair contact with CCP
So now tell me again, What the **** are you talking about? You've got nothing besides "goons spam forums" "assumptions" and some crap about what dianabolic was really trying to say when they said that they had contact with CCP emplyoees.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 02:02:00 -
[20]
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: fire 59 CCP, you have made a wonderful game which is thoroughly enjoyable to play. It has been infested with an entity who doesn't care about the community because they are there own community and will stop at nothing to kill the game it seems. Keep up the good work and don't let all teh assclowns get to you.
Couldn't agree more. Now if only this entity would break it's ties with CCP and stop seeking out unfair advantages from the developers maybe we could stop the torrent of people canceling their subscriptions. BoB, through cheating, has done more to hurt this game than any other alliance. One more big scandal like this and Eve is over with no one but CCP and your alliance to blame.
Im prett sure if all of Goonswarm canceled their subs, CCP could layoff all the ISD staff and GMS's they have to keep employed to handle the volumes of **** that get thrown at them because as an alliance GS cant take the fight ingame. I think laying off the probably numerous people they have to pay to keep SA members in check (both in game and out of game) is probably more then the amount of money they get from selling the GTC's to resellers who SA members buy from...
So then why are you trying to keep stirring **** in a thread that is in your best interested to have stagnate and disappear off the forums?
Oh and again with the baseless attacks about us using GTCs? Come on dude, We're not the ones in bed with the guys who make the godamn game here.
|
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 02:07:00 -
[21]
Originally by: BlueOrca
Originally by: Psyllus Ktenas
Originally by: BlueOrca
Originally by: Psyllus Ktenas Edited by: Psyllus Ktenas on 27/05/2007 01:45:02
Originally by: BlueOrca
. . . Just leave and let me play the game that I like.
How exactly are we holding you back from playing the game you like so much?
Just hit that red X on the top right of your screen, maximise the EVE client and go play.
Next time pls quote my entire post. And just underline the part that you want.
There is no need for that.
Again: How exactly are we holding you back from playing the game you like so much?
I like to read the forums and play, but now I can't play because there is so much to read.
Then don't read it, Especially if it pains you as much as you say it does. Why am i telling you what you want to do?
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 02:13:00 -
[22]
Originally by: BlueOrca
Originally by: Stahlregen
Originally by: BlueOrca
Originally by: Psyllus Ktenas
Originally by: BlueOrca
Originally by: Psyllus Ktenas Edited by: Psyllus Ktenas on 27/05/2007 01:45:02
Originally by: BlueOrca
. . . Just leave and let me play the game that I like.
How exactly are we holding you back from playing the game you like so much?
Just hit that red X on the top right of your screen, maximise the EVE client and go play.
Next time pls quote my entire post. And just underline the part that you want.
There is no need for that.
Again: How exactly are we holding you back from playing the game you like so much?
I like to read the forums and play, but now I can't play because there is so much to read.
Then don't read it, Especially if it pains you as much as you say it does. Why am i telling you what you want to do?
Yes, why do you tell me what to do?
Going out on a limb with this one, but is it because your corporation actually tried to sue one of our members over infiltrating your forums. Like for real? As in you are hear by ordered to stand trial in the case of finfleet versus internet goon spy? Like with lawyers and everything? Did i actually get that right or was it all a misunderstanding?
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 02:30:00 -
[23]
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Stahlregen
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: fire 59 CCP, you have made a wonderful game which is thoroughly enjoyable to play. It has been infested with an entity who doesn't care about the community because they are there own community and will stop at nothing to kill the game it seems. Keep up the good work and don't let all teh assclowns get to you.
Couldn't agree more. Now if only this entity would break it's ties with CCP and stop seeking out unfair advantages from the developers maybe we could stop the torrent of people canceling their subscriptions. BoB, through cheating, has done more to hurt this game than any other alliance. One more big scandal like this and Eve is over with no one but CCP and your alliance to blame.
Im prett sure if all of Goonswarm canceled their subs, CCP could layoff all the ISD staff and GMS's they have to keep employed to handle the volumes of **** that get thrown at them because as an alliance GS cant take the fight ingame. I think laying off the probably numerous people they have to pay to keep SA members in check (both in game and out of game) is probably more then the amount of money they get from selling the GTC's to resellers who SA members buy from...
So then why are you trying to keep stirring **** in a thread that is in your best interested to have stagnate and disappear off the forums?
Oh and again with the baseless attacks about us using GTCs? Come on dude, We're not the ones in bed with the guys who make the godamn game here.
I think I remember seeing a GS member post just a few hours ago in eve general forums. It was a response to someone who just got thier life savings blown up by high sec pirates, I think its ratter fitting to say back to you now.
It was something along these lines: "I think you are forgetting this is a game. If you don't like something about it, there is nothing keeping you here. Complaining about it wont make it change. If you don't like it, the game wasnt made for you. Id ask for all your stuff, but since you got it all blown up, there is not much left I would want."
I think its rather fitting pointed back at you considering your performance in the war no? ;p
So the zinger you've been saving was the same thing that alts have been posting on quite literally every second page in this thread so far "If you don't like it, Quit"?
If we didn't care for this community and we didn't care for this game why are we going through so much effort to try and shape it into how we believe it should be: A fair and level playing field?
If we didn't care for all of this why wouldn't we have quit and gone played pirates of the burning sea like you say we should, seeing as how complaining is futile and that the most obvious exit is to quit now that our time in the 0.0 spotlight is over?
And why are you trying to put a rift between you and us? Last time i checked we are an alliance in the game of eve and part of the community, not some interloper from the black abyss of the internets.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 03:02:00 -
[24]
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Stahlregen
So the zinger you've been saving was the same thing that alts have been posting on quite literally every second page in this thread so far "If you don't like it, Quit"?
If we didn't care for this community and we didn't care for this game why are we going through so much effort to try and shape it into how we believe it should be: A fair and level playing field?
If we didn't care for all of this why wouldn't we have quit and gone played pirates of the burning sea like you say we should, seeing as how complaining is futile and that the most obvious exit is to quit now that our time in the 0.0 spotlight is over?
And why are you trying to put a rift between you and us? Last time i checked we are an alliance in the game of eve and part of the community, not some interloper from the black abyss of the internets.
Actually the zinger is, I really don't care what you do. Play the game you want to play, try and complain loud and clear, whatever. There is no need however, to interrupt MY SERVICE THAT I PAY FOR to the forums because you have a vendetta against something. Your actions and THREADNAUGHT was uncalled for, disruptive and could have been avoided. Because you have a question the forums had to be shut down, which infringes on what I want to do with my playtime.
If you think BoB infringes on what you do with your play time and thats why your panties are in a bunch, whats the difference between that now? Considering you infringed upon what thousands of people wanted to do but couldn't because you guys were to busy being *******s.
Quote: allegations of developer misconduct reported by CCP Arkanon | 2007.05.26 21:35:26 | NEW Dear players.
Forgive us for being brief, but there has not been much time to prepare this statement.
Our forums have now been taken down due to the load generated by player response to allegations of developer misconduct.
What is your point?
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 03:15:00 -
[25]
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Stahlregen
Quote: allegations of developer misconduct reported by CCP Arkanon | 2007.05.26 21:35:26 | NEW Dear players.
Forgive us for being brief, but there has not been much time to prepare this statement.
Our forums have now been taken down due to the load generated by player response to allegations of developer misconduct.
What is your point?
Im sure this had nothing to do with it eh?
I think this has been rebutted in the previous page oh and the one before that and the one before that right up to where CCP deleted the original thread which brings us to the point we are at in this thread.
Speaking of points, Again, What is yours?
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 06:49:00 -
[26]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 27/05/2007 06:50:56
Page 100 Snipa
FNLN FOR CEO
In regards to the whole situation regarding the dev scandal i'd love for nothing more than a full and swift investigation.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 07:28:00 -
[27]
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Oohwha Schipperman
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley So that's what this is about huh, not about justice or fairplay. It's all about goons getting hurt by BoB and now it's time for revenge by spamming and trying to discredit BoB & CCP. Thanks for the explanation there Stahlregen, i hope people will soon see you for who you really are.
That's a pretty transparent misreading of Stahlgren's post.
As for "discrediting" BoB and CCP -- they would have to have some shred of credibility left in order to discredit them. The t20 incident pretty much took that off the table.
Nothing has been misread. You know it looks bad for goons, trying to save your allies looks desperate.
I was trolling by slamming an exaggerated and insane post with another even more exaggerated and insane post, the sarcasm is not really even intended- it's more like seasoning.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 10:18:00 -
[28]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 27/05/2007 10:17:23
Originally by: Shinigami Edited by: Shinigami on 27/05/2007 10:12:20
Originally by: Sirion Fujiwara Shinigami - I am sorry, but with a name like 'Reikoku' on your charecter, frankly your opinion counts for ****....
So that means your two man alt corp character counts for less than **** right?
Yeah that's exactly what it means
What do you mean?
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 10:40:00 -
[29]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 27/05/2007 10:41:22
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Tell us with a straight face that you think privately emailling an issue like this would have gotten anything done.
Also, do you believe the community deserves to know about these sorts of allegations when it's possible (and I guess the goons believe) that they're true?
Yes, I think it would have been the correct thing to do, and the issues would have been addressed. No, I don't think the community has a right to know about any such allegations, or the resolution - just in the same way that petitions and about players are private. What matters is that issues are addressed.
Your arguement that it is okay to use the wrong method because you don't think the right method will work is kinda like saying that it is okay to MSN someone if you don't trust petitions, non?
Personally I believe in using the appropriate channels. I don't favour threadnaughts over emails to IA, and I don't support MSNs in place of petitions.
I guess you think it is okay though?
Again, Everything you bring up in this post has already been adressed many, many times over many, many pages in this thread.
The proper channels were tried, petitions were deleted and the original thread was outright deleted. The only reason you are now *****ing about us bringing these allegations into the public is because they were covered up by CCP in the begining.
Again, The allegations put forth were that CCP is unable or unwilling to police itself and ensure that there is no corruption- if a private internal investigation was carried out the result would be utterly meaningless because you can't use your own internal staff investigate something that they, as a whole have been accused of.
Nice choice of wording, But again, We don't think the right method will not work. We went for it and tried it but surprise! It didn't work! (The existence of this thread is the proof)
You then go off on some tangent to try and rationalise using MSN because we threadnoughted, even though the threadnought was a direct result of you being caught using MSN? This is really the fundamental difference between us here: Your arguments are not constructed with any real sense of logic and therefore fall to pieces as soon as anyone takes the slightest bit of effort to debate you on it.
And you of course end it by saying that we think it's okay to use threadnoughts and MSN to talk to CCP employees. Allow me to retort, Yes we do think it's okay to use threadnoughts for reasons as i have stated in this post. No we don't support using MSN as that's what we are accusing you of, not the other way around chief.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 10:48:00 -
[30]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Stradiot
if dropping cans at a station undock is considered an exploit (although it is within the games mechanics to do so), then please explain why "pos-bowling" WASN'T considered an exploit (seeing as how nobody was punished for it)
I have no idea.
I know that IAC pretty much invented it. BoB did it for a while (as did others). Shrike was asked to stop by a GM, and did so. Evil Thug was apparently told that in fact it wasn't an exploit and that bowling was a legitimate game mechanic. Shirke, upon hearing that it was allowed, resumed bowling.
I guess if anyone had a GM in their pocket over that one it wasn't BoB. More likely, however, is that different GMs handled the same situation in different ways, and the most senior descision became policy.
Personally I think it is dumb, but I don't make the rules.
So why would you bring up an accusation that goonfleet uses cans to spam undocks and much worse when you acknowledge that pretty much everyone, even your own members have left cans at undocks and then go into no detail about the "and much worse" bit beyond the line itself?
|
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 10:52:00 -
[31]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 27/05/2007 10:52:47 Edited by: Stahlregen on 27/05/2007 10:51:40
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Wild Rho
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Elmo Noguchi
Tell us with a straight face that you think privately emailling an issue like this would have gotten anything done.
Also, do you believe the community deserves to know about these sorts of allegations when it's possible (and I guess the goons believe) that they're true?
Yes, I think it would have been the correct thing to do, and the issues would have been addressed. No, I don't think the community has a right to know about any such allegations, or the resolution - just in the same way that petitions and about players are private. What matters is that issues are addressed.
Your arguement that it is okay to use the wrong method because you don't think the right method will work is kinda like saying that it is okay to MSN someone if you don't trust petitions, non?
Personally I believe in using the appropriate channels. I don't favour threadnaughts over emails to IA, and I don't support MSNs in place of petitions.
I guess you think it is okay though?
One thing to keep in mind Avon. Every other channel for giving the information was tried before the threadnaught was launched and came back with nothing but silence, not even a basic acknowledgement. The petition filed asking about the issue was deleted with no response, feedback or well...anything. Convo's and pms to the GMs in question got no response (although ths in itself isn't that unusal I'll admit). A well written non flame bait forum post was made asking about the situations involved wasn't just modded, it was outright locked and delete within 30 seconds of being posted with again, no feedback or response.
The threadonaught may not have been the preferable way to get this information out and get a response but so far it has been the only proven way that actually works even while CCP harps on about transparancy and so on. Any other attempt is met with silence and cenorship and even forum/ingame bannings for anyone that even mentions it.
Was the IA department emailed directly (as is the correct reporting method) before the threadnaught or not?
It was, Several times.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 11:00:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Stahlregen
It was, Several times.
So the statements that it wasn't were lies? So, how do we work out which goon claims are true, and which are inventions?
Better reading comprehension and less clutching at straws, see here
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=526462&page=107#3203
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 11:18:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 27/05/2007 11:17:08
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 11:20:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: OhDaesu
Originally by: Avon It is okay for some people to use the wrong avenues because they don't trust the right ones, but not for others?
So, you're saying that Goons using a public forum threadnaught, is worse than BoB's CCP private hotline via MSN?
No, I am saying that the correct avenues are in place, and they should be used.
We already explained this.
The correct avenues failed.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 11:22:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Stradiot
Originally by: Kay Han WOW 3200+ postings in less then 36 hrs.
You guys are really really awesome.
What about stop *****ing around here, and let CCP do the investigestions (sp?). Ohhhhh wait..
CCP = BoB. forgot this.. my fault
Maybe there was a bugged POS. Maybe not. The peeps in DS1 will know it.
And just to give you something to think about. IF Sharki wanted to spy out GS / Ds1. Why should he join via a devcommand. And leave via a devcommand without deleting the auditinglogs?
I mean.. sharki is like God. he can do anything. He can read your corpchat, your alliancechat.
damn he can even see your wet dreams... and you wouldnŠt even notice that he is around
the CEO of ds1 has already posted on our private forums about this bugged pos issue, there simply was no bugged pos at all
It was also stated several times over the course of this thread.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 11:27:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 27/05/2007 11:29:31 Edited by: Stahlregen on 27/05/2007 11:27:55
Originally by: Avon
Originally by: Malachon Draco
You're like Nixon complaining Woodward published the Watergate story instead of going to the FBI with it, you know that right?
Yeah, I'm just like Nixon. Clearly.
Honestly Malachon, that isn't even the first time that analogy has been used in this thread, I would have though you could have come up with something more creative.
The policy is that any allegation of CCP misconduct is dealt with by emailing the IA department. If you want an issue resolved or addressed, then that is what you do.
Should that policy apply to everyone equally or not?
Nope, Still not getting it.
CORRECT AVENUES FAILED REQUIRING DRASTIC COURSE OF ACTION IN ORDER TO BRING TO LIGHT ALLEGATIONS.
What part of the original threads and petitions deleted do you not understand? **** I thought you were not quite all there but this is just ridiculous, you need to book yourself back into elementary school.
I'm not kidding, Either that or you're just trolling us.
I'm just disappointed that Goonswarm is seemingly the only alliance unable to be truly swept under the rug by CCP (Aside from bob that is) when they come to the discovery that the correct channels fail them.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.27 11:39:00 -
[37]
Edited by: Stahlregen on 27/05/2007 11:40:29
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Stradiot
Originally by: Alice Cholmondeley
Originally by: Stradiot
Originally by: hellhathnofury This is madness! All CCP need to do is say:
"We're sorry, something happened."
sorry but that's not even close to enough...they had a chance to fix things the first time around with t20..but instead they created an IA department that apparently does absolutely nothing..and downplayed the events that took place in order to enhance their damage control..unless they can take actions that guarantee every single player that these cases of collusion and corruption will never be allowed to take place again (rather than just trying to make it so we don't learn about them) they will not regain anybody's trust in them as a business entity
So, did you find any prove of any wrongdoing yet? You keep complaining no one has disproven the allegations, but no proof of misconduct has been given either. The only thing i see you do is cry about no one doing anything about (something). I see one person say a thing, and 200 goons repeat it, suddenly it's an issue. You're acting like there already is a guilty part, but you don't even know that. But that's ok, goonswarm is fighting the good fight :/
the proof is all in our open letter, go read it
I read it, but it just says something might be fishy about a DEV joining a corp. The rest is some writing from ex-volunteers. Nothing in there is anything else then accusations, but you make it sound like there is actually something wrong already. No facts about wrongdoing in that letter, that's one thing that's obvious.
Yeah but when you couple this with the fact that Dian admitted to having CCP employees on MSN call and that it wouldnt be the first time CCP have been found to be dealing with alliances unfairly it's really not that much of a stretch is it now?
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.28 07:27:00 -
[38]
Senior GM's can indeed delete petitions.
I'm sure i'm not alone in having experienced this myself, Mind you the times i've had them deleted was because i was being an ******* via the petition system but it just goes to show that either Kieron is lying or does not know how his game works.
|
Stahlregen
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
|
Posted - 2007.05.28 08:08:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Wisegirl
Originally by: Stahlregen Senior GM's can indeed delete petitions.
I'm sure i'm not alone in having experienced this myself, Mind you the times i've had them deleted was because i was being an ******* via the petition system but it just goes to show that either Kieron is lying or does not know how his game works.
Or use your brian goon****s - it was closed NOT deleted
Right, because I totally said closed and not deleted.
Quote: brian
Smoooooth
|
|
|
|