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Superbus Maximus
Gallente Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:56:00 -
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Haha these get better and better cant wait for the next one. It will probably keep me laughing for weeks.
How many times does ccp have to stick its hands on the grill before the brain senses the pain Please do not edit moderator sig comments. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) |
Daveydweeb
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ezra Maybe YOU should read the letter more carefully.
It is the job of ISD ICs to cover battles. To do that, they need to be at the battle. This is why ISD ICs have the teleport command available to them.
The fact that this teleport command (Remember, TELEPORT, not warp) places the ISD member right on top of the target ship is not the fault of the ISD member - It is the fault of whoever coded that tool.
An ISD member should in no way be punished for flaws in the tools given to them BY CCP. From reading the letter, Raekhan made every effort to avoid interfering with the battle, short of simply not covering it at all. (Such as immediately moving out to a range of 80+km from the blob after teleporting).
Why does the ISD teleport tool drop the ISD member right on top of the target? Why doesn't it have a range option just like warping? Why do ISD ships have a physical detectable presence in the game? Why is it even possible for a Polaris frigate to bump a normal ship? Why is an ISD member being held accountable for clear insufficiencies in tools provide by CCP?
Excellent post. Those questions really are just as important as the ones relating to the DS1 POS, and demand equal attention.
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Stellar Vix
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:56:00 -
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Other than 4000 goons trying to post of the fourms about once little thing a spy in their corp could have gotten just as easily I dont see to much wrong with the shark bait incident. There is evidence the dev did indeed get into thier corp and quit not to much afterwards.
Now Sharkbait in a directors positions could have done alot more damage such as screwing with standigns, cancelling jobs, emptying wallets, disbanding the allaince, firing the other two directors so there wouldnt been any evidence in logs.
As for Petition Deletions it probably is a GM standard to delete petitions handeled by developers because whatever the developer fix or tyring to fix is above and beyond the GM's ability. Then again im no gm so i dont know.
However the ISD incident is rather well... interesting. I however feel the blogger although as lengthy the story is, he/she isnt telling all of the story, espeically bout CCPs orders on the roleplay flow chart. CCP may want certain events rigged due to well story line requirements, remember all 4 empires will be going to war soon and they have to progress the events to coincide with this fact. Also what the ISD member did would have gotten him removed for his roles for interfering with fleet momvents. Im sure AAA would make the same complaints if an ISD member got in the way of thier titan preventing it from warping off. Had the ISD member said sorry give me a moment to reposition elsewhere to watch the battle or something along those lines im sure that allaince wouldnt have been to ****ed off. The only thing of interest it seems though is the amount of access bob has directly with the devs, i mean sure i can talk with sharkbait on a daily basis in the help chat room but these guys know thier proviate chat channels it seems. \
So I ask internal affairs group to encourage the use of ingame chat channels for ISD/Aurora members and disallow guests from joining. This wont stop folks from all corners of the universe from joining the Concord brunch crew but it will cut down on metagaming a tad bit. It also gives hard evidence to internal affairs and IRC logs belonging to ISD could be private and seperate from CCp making it harder to track down.
Other than that its another thing people will blindly take sides in and will burn it into thier memories to thier grave. And im still waiting on all those peopel who said they would quit from up to four incidents ago to this one to do so, I still see alot of them on today still carrying on thier grudges and still getting angry.
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Iraf Thaiberd
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:56:00 -
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Edited by: Iraf Thaiberd on 26/05/2007 00:57:04
Hi. I'm a Goonswarm director.
What's below was posted on our internal forum by the CEO of DS1 a few minutes ago. Although several of us have urged him to post it here, I fear he is afraid to do so. See, we've had several alliance member perma-banned for linking to the open letter on our website in various channels. Some of them were probably spamming it (although I thought that muting was the usual corrective action there) but several were simply putting the link, ONCE, into a channel because someone else asked what everyone was talking about.
So, as you can probably surmise, we've quickly moved from "Good ole boys club cheatin again" to "Be careful what you say because the coverup appears to be out for blood." Anyway, here's what Pyrex had to say on our forum:
Quote: for the record, Darkstar1 has 3 pos in game only and they have always worked fine and have never been petitioned by anyone in the corp for not working, the statement given by CCP is incorrect and simply not true as far as i can tell. I am certain that the developer joining our corp is above board and no malice intended but frankly the manner in which he did it in these times of little trust and confidence in certain parties leads to a high level of suspision and drama. Too much of the actions are clouded and fogged, all it would of taken was an explanation via a mail or something to say he was going to do what he did.
This incident shows clearly that there is still a lack of trust when it comes to the developers of this game acting in a trustworthy unbaised manner, i remind you all that the ISD bias and events issues are still unaccounted for......
Our biggest fear now is that pretty much most of ds1 will be made a scapegoat and banning will start so that the questionable cover story can be maintained.
As of this moment i have ordered all DS1 to cease all communications on this topic thru total and abject fear of the way CCP handle legitimate challanges to their actions thru sweeping banning and account suspension.
Naturally enough, the ISD and RP event concerns are MUCH greater than this, but learning of those two along with this whole "Dev in one of our alliance's corps refusing to explain himself" thing at the same time has forced us to make an issue of all three as a collective example. |
Mamba Lev
Caldari The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:56:00 -
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Anyone CCP related in any way should not be allowed to play EVE, give them their own 200 slot server so they can cheat without effecting our enjoyment.
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TSELLIOT
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kesslar Znel I'm an ex-member of the Aegis Militia, now in Goonswarm. Between this, the rigging of RP events, and the stuff about the ISD guy getting fired- apparently at the request of someone in BoB, this is all pretty disturbing and hits really close to home on all fronts.
I haven't really been playing much because of the super-capital situation in 0.0, this might just be it for me.
Troo Dat
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Kasigi Yabu
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:57:00 -
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good one
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Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Fiendish Lo
Originally by: CCP Arkanon Thank you for your input, we are following this thread and would very much like to ask for your cooperation in verifying some of the statements made, particularly those directly involving CCP staff or volunteers. Please note that we will need some details to be able to investigate, the more the better.
I'd be very interested in knowing what Sharkbait and the employee who banned Raekhan have to say about it. Any news?
Prolly wont be any.. We get fed garbage and have to resort to outside resources for anything resembeling the truth.
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Malverik
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:57:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight To be honest I'm more interested how CCP intend to deal with a particular element of the player base who think that just because their personal drama llama is on the loose it's then ok to spam these forums to the degree that they have to be taken down to deal with it.
"Nah no petition" "msn chat is enough"
Amirite!?
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Mari Onette
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:58:00 -
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When you lock down the forums, and people start posting in help about it, banning people is not the right answer.
The standard answer in help from ISD and GM's was that help is not the place for discussing this issue.
At the same time, you had taken away every ligitimate avenue for us to discuss the alegations.
If the forums are down, you get banned for talking about it in local, and you get banned for asking about it in help, where ARE we supposed to go to discuss the alegations? up until now there was no ligitimate method of discussing these events and you were banning people over it.
I dont really care if the alegations are true or not, it doesnt effect me. I think this does highlight the fact that eve has reached a point where people with admin rights to the game can no longer be taking part in it, unless you want these PR nightmares to keep happening. As long as GM's have alts in large alliances, people are going to continue to make these sorts of alegations whenever things don't go the way they want, and the masses will continue to take them at face value. Even if there was never any developer or GM misconduct again, you have already lost the trust of your players. I don't see any other way of restoring this trust except for not allowing people with admin rights to the game to play in alliances.
Do I think there was misconduct here? Hell yes I do, I've lost trust in you. I have no doubt that GM's powers get abused, but not nearly to the extent that is claimed in the open letter. The letter itself full of hearsay and stinks of someone with a personal ax to grind. but inside every single story there is a grain of truth.
In parting, I would like to ask all of you considering leaving the game one simple question I want you all to think hard about... . . . Can I have your stuff?
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Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:59:00 -
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Can I haev CCP msn too, plz? I have plenty of things I need to quick petition. No more waiting two weeks for a ship refund! Yeay!
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Manta Avoid
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:59:00 -
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I wouldn't worry about it too much.
Let them deal with it. Sure, it's an issue for discussion, but we don't have to be so negative towards the parties involved, just on the rumours we've heard on what's actually happened.
Get the facts from the horse's mouth, not someone else's.
GG CCP - Manta
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Samuel Freedom
Minmatar Ramdon Industries corporation
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:59:00 -
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'shocking news today we have the alliance BoB cheating ... again'
This is old news BoB have had DEV help in the past and will continue to have it as some of the DEV's are not mature enough to seperate 'playing' from there actual job. Really though I have just come to accept it and when it comes to big alliances to much unorthodox DEV input and 'meta gaming' is involved so I doubt I will ever go there.
I will stick with small corp and allainces as it seems people in these don't have to much trouble seperating real life and a game . CCP needs to get rid of the self involved DEV's/GM's.
I feel sorry for all the STAFF at CCP that work hard and are committed to there jobs but I can just see a conversation like this in 10 years time.
ex CCP empoyee going for a job interview at new upcoming gaming company;
ex CCP empoyee : So what do you think ?
New Boss : It says here you used to work at CCP on EVE-ONLINE, I remember that game it had alot of potential, what happened Robert?
ex CCP empoyee : well some DEV's were getting a tad involved to much with playing the game, everybody new at CCP, like an open secret but you don't grass your mates up do you, so I kept my mouth shut didn't rock the boat we had well over 100k of subsribers you know *Robert reflects* who would of thought they would all join that new sci fi game Eternal Space so quickly
New Boss : O.K. let me stop you there Robert
ex CCP empoyee : Call me BoB
New Boss : No Robert I won't, don't call us we'll call you
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Andreus Ixiris
Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:59:00 -
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This whole situation is entirely unacceptable. When is Band of Brothers going to be disbanded? They have constantly abused both the rules of the game and the other players who participate in it. They have no respect for dignity, manners or rules - they simply insult, assault and demean other players, both in the game and, more worryingly, in real life (I've heard credible reports of GoonSwarm members getting death threats via email).
Band of Brothers should not be. When are you going to get rid of it?
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Ronzo Walrus
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:00:00 -
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Hey look, my post about goons getting forum banned is gone!
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Dixon
Caldari Thundercats RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:00:00 -
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Originally by: Scrutt5 your dealing with an fairly intelegent player base
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Rebellion
Caldari Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:00:00 -
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Disgusting that you think that the monthly fee you pay entitles you to disrupt the gaming of the rest of us. Guess you're really acting like goons.
Creating alts to post here and make it appear as if this isn't planned harassment of CCP and us is pathetic.
If you don't like CCP or EVE, then don't play the game. No need to act like a spoiled brat and demand special treatment from a company that you've tried your best to blackmail and ruin.
If Goonswarm showed as much coordination ingame as they do with their forum and defamation attacks, you'd actually win battles, and maybe not be so miserable that you'd try and pull something off like this.
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Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion Disgusting that you think that the monthly fee you pay entitles you to disrupt the gaming of the rest of us. Guess you're really acting like goons.
Creating alts to post here and make it appear as if this isn't planned harassment of CCP and us is pathetic.
If you don't like CCP or EVE, then don't play the game. No need to act like a spoiled brat and demand special treatment from a company that you've tried your best to blackmail and ruin.
If Goonswarm showed as much coordination ingame as they do with their forum and defamation attacks, you'd actually win battles, and maybe not be so miserable that you'd try and pull something off like this.
Just say NO to cheating!
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Supermarket Su
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:01:00 -
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Edited by: Supermarket Su on 26/05/2007 01:00:41
Originally by: Shinigami Back in REALITY we realize that a GM could easily see what's building in a POS without the need to join that corp.
oh you do do you ? got personal experience have you ???
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Orange Species
Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:01:00 -
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The community is a disgrace to itself.
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Sook Mi
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shinigami
Originally by: Shinigami Back in REALITY we realize that a GM could easily see what's building in a POS without the need to join that corp.
We also realize that a GM could easily remove that record if he was doing something wrong.
Yeah, because there has never been an incident where a developer got caught cheating after not covering his tracks, oh wai.... Wonder what alliance he was helping that time
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Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:01:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Species The community is a disgrace to itself.
Just say NO to cheating!
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Inturist
Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:02:00 -
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ok , everyone who want to quit , pliz set a contract for my name with all ur stuff - Inturist -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't dare to cross that line ^
dont discuss moderator actions on the forums - and i wanted only to talk :S |
jeffb
GoonFleet
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:03:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Species The community is a disgrace to itself.
Much like your posting.
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Inturist
Dark and Light inc. D-L
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:04:00 -
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Originally by: Stellar Vix Other than 4000 goons trying to post of the fourms about once little thing a spy in their corp could have gotten just as easily I dont see to much wrong with the shark bait incident. There is evidence the dev did indeed get into thier corp and quit not to much afterwards.
Now Sharkbait in a directors positions could have done alot more damage such as screwing with standigns, cancelling jobs, emptying wallets, disbanding the allaince, firing the other two directors so there wouldnt been any evidence in logs.
u just an idiot -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Don't dare to cross that line ^
dont discuss moderator actions on the forums - and i wanted only to talk :S |
Supermarket Su
Amarr Hedion University
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Species The community is a disgrace to itself.
hands orange a spare pair of asbestos undies, i fear your rhetorical statement, may, rhetorically bite you in the ass this time dear
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Fiendish Lo
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Species The community is a disgrace to itself.
I didn't quite understand what you mean by that. Can you repeat on MSN instant messaging?
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Ronzo Walrus
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion Disgusting that you think that the monthly fee you pay entitles you to disrupt the gaming of the rest of us. Guess you're really acting like goons.
Creating alts to post here and make it appear as if this isn't planned harassment of CCP and us is pathetic.
If you don't like CCP or EVE, then don't play the game. No need to act like a spoiled brat and demand special treatment from a company that you've tried your best to blackmail and ruin.
If Goonswarm showed as much coordination ingame as they do with their forum and defamation attacks, you'd actually win battles, and maybe not be so miserable that you'd try and pull something off like this.
How does the forum going down hurt your ability to play eve itself?
And I'm sure if super caps were balenced right, the goons would fight back much more effectivly
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Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:05:00 -
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Will there be any CCP replies adressing the current situation?
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mr unpleasantry
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Species The community is a disgrace to itself.
I'm sorry but isn't your attempt to engage in this discussion slightly misguided and a conflict of interest?
If you're wondering the answer is yes. Please redouble your efforts to remain quiet.
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