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Jayder
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: wylker Sigh, all of my posts are gone.
Here I'll try to be more constructive.
I don't see how a GM joining a corp is an exploit. If he had to do so to do ANYTHING, it is within his purview. Go ahead, join all the corps. Theres nothing he can't do not in your corp to hurt you that he can do in corp to hurt you.
The ISD thing strikes me as someone who messed up, and lost his highly rewarding volunteer position because of it. The rest is bitterness and want for revenge using a mechanism that has already been proven to show half-truths that are designed to discredit a certain alliance and the CCP staff.
I'd either stop trying to turn every single thing that you don't agree with into a giant drama bomb or go find another game to play if this one is SO evil and SO corrupt.
in thanks, here's a constructive answer, as best as I can manage:
GM in corp:
1) possibility for sketchy behavior 2) no communication 3) petitions deleted 4) convos ignored
it seems like it would be so easy to notify the CEO if you were going to do something that requires something on the same level as his power. That he didn't wasn't the issue, that he joined the corp isn't neccessarily the issue yet. The issue is that all attempts at obtaining a reasonable explaination were met with silence. It should seem suspicious under any circumstances, it would make sense to CYA in his position. It almost seems like he went out of his way not to. As far as what he can and can't do in corp and out, I'm not familiar with GM powers but that further supports the arguement that if he had a legitimate task he wouldn't have needed to join and grant roles. But again, not familiar with extent of GM powers.
ISD issue/thing
Whatever happened, what we know for certain is that they were reprimanded by someone with supposedly no authority over them, supported by their superior, and then consequently banned and completely cut off with no explaination given what-so-ever. Even for a volunteer after one and half years thats extremely cold. This is the bottom line, without even talking yet about the possibility of BoB/GM collusion.
Once you get in there it starts getting a little dicey. MSN communication with development/GMs? Preferential treatment among paying customers is EXTREMELY unprofessional. Once people start getting the feeling that they're not getting the same thing for their $15 as someone else, they start thinking about an alternative entertainment, or they try to get in on the benefits which just causes more problems.
Overall:
The reason for the threadnaught was simply that in resolving this the people involved started at the bottom, as they were supposed to. They petitioned, they asked GMs, they were ignored, rejected. Before the forums got spammed a civil and reasonable post was made on the subject, which was immidiately deleted. The fact is that we were moved to our last resort to get attention to this issue, which is in fact not what we wanted to do, despite what a lot of people would have you believe. Are we enjoying it now? sure, we didn't have a choice anyway, why not.
Honestly I would say this is more about getting the CCP staff to play fair than to police BoB or any other corporation. In any mmo players are going to stretch the limits of fairness, its up to the GMs to keep it in check and solve problems when they get out of hand. When the GMs themselves cheat, what do you do?
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Mahavy Seth
Amarr Vure Ultio Animi Causa
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Elk
Originally by: Orange Species The community is a disgrace to itself.
Just say NO to cheating!
Years ago I left a game because all players was cheating like mads... and in every online server all was hacking with bots and so on...
I joined eve because I was sure that no one can cheat here, and yes, I was right! No player can cheat here... just the devs
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Katchoo
The Black Guards Solaris Consortium
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Ysira
GMs, Devs and even most of the ISD people. Of course all those people need access TQ with their special roles and abilities. But they should have no further interest on TQ.
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All GMs I had contact to were always helpful and friendly and I greatly appreciate their help and the support they bring to EVE.
So, albeit you have only had positive experience with the GMs, you have no probems blaing them for something you have no direct experience with. Are you a Slashdotter ?
Originally by: Ysira
I do not know why Devs need to be able to play the game with their own private characters. [...] If you need to check situations or gameplay on TQ, get your developer account and watch battles or go mine some scordite in Hisec.
Ah yes. That's the only part of gameplay we want the Devs to address, no point in having them experience anything else.
Originally by: Ysira
About GMs: I understand that they need knowledge of the game, the gameplay and such things to resolve issues. Why must this knowledge come from a private char on TQ? Is it not enough to play on Singularity and observing TQ gameplay?
Singularity, the mirror of the soul... last time I checked it wasn;t actually thriving with a 10k+ population...
Originally by: Ysira
AURORA / ISC? Well, flying around in invulnerable ships and observing everything for news purposes. This provides a great deal of metagaming possibilities. No TQ for you, you should have fun with your ISD chars and your events.
I knew that the ISD consists of volunteers and that it might not be fair to everyone. But in the end it would be better for the game.
Since "no TQ gameplay for volunteers" might well lead to "no more volunteers" I don't see how this can lead to a better game for everyone.
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Ozzman Cometh
Amarr AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Elk Will there be any CCP replies adressing the current situation?
CCP's reply is to delete threatening posts and ban members for pointing out the truth
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Cosy
Porandor
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:06:00 -
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CCP Arkanon me and many ppl don't believe u, better resign the job ?
IF Ouver will handle this MAYBE MAYBE will trust again in CCP *snip* - not a appropriate link - hutch hutch is a pet :P hutch now is ? |
Kesslar Znel
Exegesis Aerospace GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion Disgusting that you think that the monthly fee you pay entitles you to disrupt the gaming of the rest of us. Guess you're really acting like goons.
Creating alts to post here and make it appear as if this isn't planned harassment of CCP and us is pathetic.
If you don't like CCP or EVE, then don't play the game. No need to act like a spoiled brat and demand special treatment from a company that you've tried your best to blackmail and ruin.
If Goonswarm showed as much coordination ingame as they do with their forum and defamation attacks, you'd actually win battles, and maybe not be so miserable that you'd try and pull something off like this.
This is pretty blatant and obvious alliance trolling in a thread that has nothing to do with who is fighting whom. It's about strong indications of developer misconduct.
As a member of an alliance that has been proven to be involved in past cheating scandals, you should probably keep an eye on what you have to say here, since it's all going to be taken as you protecting your "buds" at CCP, even if it's not true. The fact that you consider allegations of developer misconduct to be harassment of both CCP *and* your alliance is pretty telling, though.
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Angelus Damelon
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:07:00 -
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So now posts are being deleted, asking why Goons are getting banned specifically for posting in this thread.
CCP/ISD, you should seriously reconsider your moderation and PR strategy. Moderating to keep content PG is one thing; moderation to cover up moderation, corruption, and fair debate is another.
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mr unpleasantry
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Shadow Elk Will there be any CCP replies adressing the current situation?
It doesn't appear that there will be.
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Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Sen Xia
Originally by: Bob Socko If it was just to fix a POS, he would have let the CEO know. If he really did forget, it all could have been cleared up by responding to the petition - rather than deleting the petition outright.
I think there is another big lesson to be learned here. The only reason goons had to blitz the forums is because CCP has shown us we have no other viable ways to make these issues heard. If people want this behavior to stop, then CCP needs to figure out a better way to handle its PR disasters that doesn't involve deleting threads and disabling forums.
Yes because as we know, you can only spam the Eve-Online forums.
EVE players will only know of it if you DOS THE WEBSITE.
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Krystian
Caldari No Quarter. Vae Victis.
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:07:00 -
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Edited by: Krystian on 26/05/2007 01:06:26 Wtf? Get this dam corruption business sorted and guilty people permabanned.
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Stoned Celt
Bloodnok Technologies
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:07:00 -
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Originally by: Zekk Pacus
Originally by: hybridundertaker
3rd bob guys in local vanting about how they can get ccp to do stuff for them is more like a joke (did u notice they name their ship DEVS, u forgot to mention that hard proof) then any proof at all
Whilst that may be tongue in cheek, why is that allowed? I'm fairly sure if I did it I'd have someone breathing down my neck...(one of my old corpies nearly got banned for having a name similar (NOT the same) to an NPC, so...)
So you think that entitling a thread "CCP Sharkbait is a Douche - With Cheese" is conducive to a constructive debate about the matter?
I also had the pleasure of watching several Goons trying to spam the Rookie help channel and being almost totally ignored or scoffed at by the people in there who just got on with trying to enjoy the game.
Personally I think the Goon HC have just found the exit strategy they've been looking for. You've discovered you're not going to win, your Alliance is debt ridden, your HC aren't going to be able to pay back the famous war bonds so you blow this event completely out of proportion and will probably threaten to cancel your subscriptions if it is sorted to your satisfaction.
Seems the swarm is being led around by the nose by the very people who will benefit most from any eventual Goonswarm mass resignation. No debts to pay back and a nice little 40 billion Titan fund "nest-egg" for someone to play with.
Bye Bye Goons
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Cpt Placeholder
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:08:00 -
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I probably wouldn't have believed it, if it wasn't for the fact that they're trying to conceal it this hard.
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Nyphur
Pillowsoft
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Orange Species The community is a disgrace to itself.
Considering your name is on the chatlogs in part of this story, could you perhaps comment on that rather than simply voicing your discontentment with every single other eve player?
Eve-Tanking.com - For tanking spreadsheet and resources. |
Daveydweeb
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Daveydweeb on 26/05/2007 01:09:51 Edited by: Daveydweeb on 26/05/2007 01:07:49 The story has been Slashdotted. That means it has now received coverage there, at Digg and IGN
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Rhaegor Stormborn
Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:09:00 -
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Appalling behavior on part of CCP employees once again. Really embarrassed for your company. Get your act together.
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Namingway
Important Yet Underrated Video Game Characters
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:09:00 -
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Originally by: Biswen Well I think this is the end of EvE for me. I'll stay couple of days to see how CCP handles this, but I've really had enough now. And yes ... you can have my stuff when I quit.
Contract it all to me in kisogo please? If you have capitals then just tell me where to pick those up.
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kurtFury
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: kurtFury on 26/05/2007 01:09:57
Originally by: Blacklight To be honest I'm more interested how CCP intend to deal with a particular element of the player base who think that just because their personal drama llama is on the loose it's then ok to spam these forums to the degree that they have to be taken down to deal with it.
Spam? i think the customers have a right to post there questions and comments on the forums, do you not? i for one did not agree to pay for a game that i have no chance in succeeding at. this issue could be conflicts with the description giving of the game as said in writing on the game front. i think paying customers not only have a right to state there thoughts but also have the right to play in a cheat free atmosphere.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:10:00 -
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Originally by: Fiendish Lo corporations coming from the forum that made the term "Photoshop Friday" famous.
i hate to be the bearer of bad news but that term is not famous - ive never heard of it before you ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some |
Blablabla1
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:10:00 -
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TBH, of course storyline events are rigged...
They are fking rigged because they are scripted. OH NOES THE SIMPSONS IS RIGGED. Get a life..
Seriously though, who cares? BoB cheat? Bob Dont Cheat? Goons cheat? Goons dont cheat? Waaaaaa
There is never any RELIABLE proof that ANY wrongdoing has even occured. Yet everyone is so quick to start a witch hunt and blabla on the forums and all blame bob and stuff. If you can Proove that Sharkbait did something wrong in DS1 and you can PROOVE that ISD are corrupt cause they pre-write their events. Then i will remove my post.
Until that time, log in to game, go play eve and get over it..
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WildAmishRose
Caldari Vale Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:11:00 -
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I don't think anyone should get in trouble at all. If someone cheated, oh well. If I had infinite isk, I'd never go through an 'oh no, I'm broke' episode. Chalk it up to human nature, everyone takes what they want, need, or can lay hands on.
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ihk
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rebellion Disgusting that you think that the monthly fee you pay entitles you to disrupt the gaming of the rest of us. Guess you're really acting like goons.
Creating alts to post here and make it appear as if this isn't planned harassment of CCP and us is pathetic.
If you don't like CCP or EVE, then don't play the game. No need to act like a spoiled brat and demand special treatment from a company that you've tried your best to blackmail and ruin.
If Goonswarm showed as much coordination ingame as they do with their forum and defamation attacks, you'd actually win battles, and maybe not be so miserable that you'd try and pull something off like this.
kiih of goonfleet, pleased to make your acquintance alts are often due to the smoke screen/anti-spam mass forum bannings and as for the disrupting, i kind of wish we were the ones doing the most of that. at least then we wouldn't have both the isd and developers, while detached from the common playerbase, communicating with the people for whom this game is as much of a job as it is to them
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Manta Avoid
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:12:00 -
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Where's the love?
Shut up and play, jebus!
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w0rmy
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:13:00 -
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It just keeps happening... shakes head.
Originally by: CCP Oveur I'm very sorry w0rmy, I beg your forgiveness.
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:13:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean What if it's all horsesh*t and the Goons are just trying to kill the game for some reason or whatever? If there's more to this that isn't apparent?
You're going to throw away two years of work for that?
You're pathetic.
my sentiments exactly
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Pan Crastus
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:14:00 -
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So what do the BoB guys think about this? Anyone thinking of quitting over it? Are you all still in denial and ignorance? Or did you all join BoB because you were hoping for an unfair advantage anyway?
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luminoll
AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:15:00 -
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you know, I would call for a mass account cancellation to make CCP get it together. but if we did that, we would log back in and BoB would own everthing. So in a way, if youre really angry, theres nothing left to do than to quit playing. We wont have any resolution.
What kills me is how much I love EVE.
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evil penguin
DEATH'S LEGION
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:15:00 -
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The lack of response or even acknowledgement to the 2nd(far more serious) allegation doesnt look good. It makes it seem like CCP are avoiding the issue, which in turn makes it seem more likely that it is true. Please give us an official response to this, even if you dont have much info to share at this time.
I dont know anything about this situation but I hope it is not true.
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WhitePhantom
Gallente Edenists
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mahavy Seth CCP Tomorrow Response To All This:
BoB POS was bugged in the ion cell augmentaion idrodynamic propeller piston, and need a CCP developer to join the alliance as a director because in no other way we was able to solve the problem.
Regarding all other allegations, it seems that some peoples take great delight to uncover what they think it is true. The fact that BoB is always involved is merely an unlicky event.
We close this topic and we will ban everyone will again talk about this.
Your post isn't exactly funny.
I think some people are taking a game to far, lighten up.
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Dianabolic
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:15:00 -
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Originally by: Nyphur
Originally by: Orange Species The community is a disgrace to itself.
Considering your name is on the chatlogs in part of this story, could you perhaps comment on that rather than simply voicing your discontentment with every single other eve player?
You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge?
And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game?
Do you lot REALLY think that the "top" people, Hillmar and Oveur etc, are party to all of this? Of course they're not, this is their cash cow.
Get over yourselves.
Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT?
(not directed at you, nyphur, jsut the general idiocy that is prevalent in this thread). Reikoku Diplomatic Forums |
Borasatar
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Posted - 2007.05.26 01:16:00 -
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So what exactly is my motivation to go to 0.0 space again when it seems that CCP allows corrupt devs to play the game in god mode so if you aren't in their alliance, you're just fodder?
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