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Tahmee Bhakeur	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:24:00 - [931] Good job CCP. Nothing like scandal to wake up a community. GM/DEV players have over time done a number of things that have really ****ed people off. The last BPO scandal ended with "They are gone and we took back crap bpo's". Another GM/DEV was removed from their corp, lost their job with CCP, but still kept their character... like allowing the embezzler to stay with the company, but as a janitor. Dump them. Firing the GM/DEV's is appropriate, but allowing them to keep their characters? Delete them. Track down all their assets, and those given to anyone, and delete them -any ship, bpo, isk... anything. Simply erase all evidence of them from the game. Sadly, these people will also have multiple characters/accounts, so delete all you can find. It would almost be better if CCP eliminated all T2 BPO's (RolePlay angle: Data hacking by some sinister group), compensate owners some isk or invention resources and force invention. GM/DEV's should not be cheating. Even the hint of it is enough to topple consumer confidence. It's really fobbing off EVE that so far, all misconduct seems centered around a small group. The community needs CCP to restore the public's trust. So act swiftly, harshly, and post the killmails.
Brunswick2 eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:24:00 - [932] Edited by: Brunswick2 on 26/05/2007 05:24:18 I'm disappointed by pretty much everyone atm. CCP, BoB, Goonies, and everyone else have all handled this very poorly.
Novina Agrari	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:25:00 - [933] Originally by: Endarri al'Malik All back and forth between Goonswarm Members and BoB aside, the simple fact remains that allowing Devs and GMs to run alt characters in Player-controlled alliances constitutes a conflict of interest. This isn't hard to see, and it certainly isn't impossible to stop. The consequences of allowing such conflicts to continue are evident in this thread: customer dissatisfaction and cancellations, the community flaming each other on the forums, and, most importantly, the community demanding answers and solutions. Bingo! Correct. Give this man some officer loot. Shouldn't be hard - just hold another IC event. Har har har! C'mon, CCP. Tell us again how valuable it is for employees to play the game, explain to us how it is vitally important that employee characters remain unknown to the players - and how, at the same time, it's natural and above suspicion that said characters are known openly by the upper echelon of what is largely considered CCP's pet alliance. You guys are ruining your own game. And poor BoB! They've accomplished a lot, and it keeps getting stained by this kind of thing. How long is it before 'Bobbing' is MMO slang for 'cheating at a multiplayer game through host/op connections'?
Foopadoo	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:25:00 - [934] It's not a "witch hunt" if the witch admits to witchery
Laephis Brinn Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:26:00 - [935] Originally by: ExplodingBears Good god, can you not see you are fighting a a battle that's already over? It's been admitted that there is a direct line of communication between BoB and CCP. Not only that, it has been clearly admitted that the correspondance is nothing close to neutral. If you read nothing else, read this. Twice.
Dumuzi	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:27:00 - [936] A lot of this coming from people not know how the internal ccp stuff works. To some it may be normal that players and devs chat on msn if they are friends, but to some it will look like an advantage waiting to happen. Both sides are right. At some point you have to trust CCP to have honest employees, but do people trust CCP to do that? Not at this point. To me CCP sounds like a fairly laid back company...they're able to chat on MSN. Why not and take that away? If they need to have internal comms, create and internal IRC channel or something. Just a thought. There should not be a way for a player to contact a dev faster then other players, that's cheating as far as I can tell. I work for a web hosting company and it would be very messed up if customers could contact us by means other then phones or tickets. There needs to be accountability from employees and their actions should be traced. Just like noting accounts when customers call in or open tickets, it is a common customer service practice and should be enforced. You gotta have your community's trust. It's very important. Ads don't sell games as much as word of mouth and it costs a lot more to sign up a new customer then to keep one.
Necro EvilZombie North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:27:00 - [937] this thread rocks
G Khan	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:28:00 - [938] Originally by: Raznarok Not cool people. CCP give you a great game and you pay them back by stirring ** like this up. You have no idea the amount of time your wasting or people paying for their subscriptions. I reckon they should ban all the ** stirriers tbh. That's right, ban those evil whistleblowers. We can't have them ruining our entertainment with nasty things like truth.
FatHed Eye of the Abyss	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:28:00 - [939] Quote: And you have no evidence yourself. Maybe its you that should keep quiet. kthx. And you have no evidence that nothing happened, perhaps everyone should shut up. I'd agree if CCP would have some "balls", as the BoB players like to put it, and post the chat logs.
Froting	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:28:00 - [940] I can't wait for the offical response be 'okay, OKAY, we slapped the offenders wrist! are you happy now?!'

HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:29:00 - [941] Originally by: Raznarok Not cool people. CCP give you a great game and you pay them back by stirring ** like this up. You have no idea the amount of time your wasting or people paying for their subscriptions. I reckon they should ban all the ** stirriers tbh. Aside from your hilarious call for people to get banned this post, much like the Axiom alliance, makes no sense.
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:29:00 - [942] Originally by: Skrypt Too bad CCP values their monthly income too much to ban each one of them just for the sake of having done it. This is the real coruption tbqh. Goonies get away with ddosing eve because ccp wants their money but bob can't even takl to their friends on msn.
ExplodingBears	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:29:00 - [943] Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Originally by: ExplodingBears It's this kind of post that I find hardest to stomach. Instead of addressing the issue, you try to discredit the sources of the information, and you are using the same goddamn 'goon blob sp complain t1 frig' bull** that exists in every page of this thread. This is not about goons, this is about CCP. I'd be more likely to accept these tactics if the truth weren't so obvious and undeniable, but just spewing the same discrediting buzz words won't work. Please, just once I ask you to rack your brain for a valid argument, or at least a reply that addresses the issue rather than diverting attention away from it. Its you goonies not addressing the issue, not me. What did CCP do? Talk to people on MSN? Well then you beter lock up the entire internet b/c almost everyone has MSN. Formal Presentation of the Issue of the Relationship Between CCP and BoB** 1. CCP and members of the BoB alliance share a correspondence that is not nearly neutral and has been admitted as such. 2. The communication between BoB and CCP has directly resulted in the furthering of BoB causes. 3. CCP has made a concerted effort to cover up these happenings. I would ask that you please respond to these points in order to hold an intelligent and legitimate discussion.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:31:00 - [944] Originally by: Skrypt "Hi. I'm a goonie. I'm getting wtfpwned. In turn, I'm going to whine on the forums about whatever I can because that's the only place we can win. omg w00t. gooniefleet 4 life!" Too bad CCP values their monthly income too much to ban each one of them just for the sake of having done it. <3 If they valued their income so much they wouldn't be chatting with you on IM's or gifting you t2 bpo's. I guess if you can't refute the claim you awesome chaps have to stoop to trying clever insults. I can assure you this was neither clever, nor insulting.
Shadow Steel	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:31:00 - [945] Originally by: ExplodingBears Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Originally by: ExplodingBears It's this kind of post that I find hardest to stomach. Instead of addressing the issue, you try to discredit the sources of the information, and you are using the same goddamn 'goon blob sp complain t1 frig' bull** that exists in every page of this thread. This is not about goons, this is about CCP. I'd be more likely to accept these tactics if the truth weren't so obvious and undeniable, but just spewing the same discrediting buzz words won't work. Please, just once I ask you to rack your brain for a valid argument, or at least a reply that addresses the issue rather than diverting attention away from it. Its you goonies not addressing the issue, not me. What did CCP do? Talk to people on MSN? Well then you beter lock up the entire internet b/c almost everyone has MSN. Formal Presentation of the Issue of the Relationship Between CCP and BoB** 1. CCP and members of the BoB alliance share a correspondence that is not nearly neutral and has been admitted as such. 2. The communication between BoB and CCP has directly resulted in the furthering of BoB causes. 3. CCP has made a concerted effort to cover up these happenings. I would ask that you please respond to these points in order to hold an intelligent and legitimate discussion. Simple solution: Attack BoB-- I'd say the most amusing, and perhaps most useful, turn of events would be widespread in-game military action against BoB. If carried out on a large enough scale, BoB will either be crushed or their CCP 'friends' will save them. Both events would be quite useful and entertaining.
OozoO Caldari Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:31:00 - [946] Originally by: Skrypt "Hi. I'm a goonie. I'm getting wtfpwned. In turn, I'm going to whine on the forums about whatever I can because that's the only place we can win. omg w00t. gooniefleet 4 life!" Too bad CCP values their monthly income too much to ban each one of them just for the sake of having done it. <3 your ignorance is epic. I get the impression to be allowed to join bob you gotta be a high-skilled douchebag in the first place who isnt able to use his own mind and just replies the drivel from their CEOs. -------------- My name is oozoo and my sig is yellow!
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:33:00 - [947] Originally by: Shadow Steel Simple solution: Attack BoB While it might accomplish something... the real problem is on the other end of MSN. So long as CCP employees are willing to play favoritism the issue will remain, be it with BoB or a different group. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level."
Jessica Sartuenski	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:34:00 - [948] Originally by: Orange Species i don't think anyone else needs to post here tbh, just let goons/goon alts go on a rampage, they make themselves look more like idiots than any of us could make them look :) No wonder you normally have a perm-forum ban :) awaits replies from goons of wargh off-topic wargh, deflection,wargh but but but but but" Quit whilst your not ahead. Just fyi, you're the worst POS bowlers I've ever seen. Actually, I'll change that to 'on-par with chowdown'. It's not that hard to hit at least one of 30 ospreys out of a shield, and hell, you even managed to bounce a carrier _into_ the shield. Anyway, slightly more on-topic, Molle is probably going to be pretty ***ed with Diana and Rebel when he wakes up / reads this thread. :\ Way to make your own alliance look bad.
Froting	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:37:00 - [949] Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Originally by: Skrypt Too bad CCP values their monthly income too much to ban each one of them just for the sake of having done it. This is the real coruption tbqh. Goonies get away with ddosing eve because ccp wants their money but bob can't even takl to their friends on msn. no u cause rly BoDDosing is all you do to the nodes and then PoS spam tbqh
Factor Benz GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:37:00 - [950] Edited by: Factor Benz on 26/05/2007 05:36:24 Originally by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Originally by: Skrypt Too bad CCP values their monthly income too much to ban each one of them just for the sake of having done it. This is the real coruption tbqh. Goonies get away with ddosing eve because ccp wants their money but bob can't even takl to their friends on msn. We can't help it if there's a lot of us and we feel compelled to post on the matter. I'd hardly call it a ddos. BoB can talk to their friends all they want. They just shouldn't be able to use back channel communications to developers to accomplish things in a fashion every other subscriber to the game cannot. The writing's on the wall in this thread and if you choose not to read it that's your problem. I think it's pretty apparent what's happened here to most. Perhaps large corporations shouldn't be allowed to post. That would fix the problem....

Xazier Port Royal Independent Kontractors Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:38:00 - [951] All I know is it's all bull** Bob cheated, the Devs allowed it and thats all there is too it. Really it doesn't bother me because I know in my heart from now on anytime BoB does something you never know if it was by "legal" means or by cheating so they'll always be cheaters period. So good Job CCP, bob whoever you ruined the game for the rest of us that play it right. On a lighter note come on guys lets go play Pirates of the Burning Sea maybe that company won't ** us over! Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Valorem (mods@ccpgames.com)
MightyGuy	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:39:00 - [952] Originally by: Raznarok Not cool people. CCP give you a great game and you pay them back by stirring ** like this up. You have no idea the amount of time your wasting or people paying for their subscriptions. I reckon they should ban all the stirriers tbh. Wow you are a complete fool. Can you not see how many people are **ed about this issue. If they ban all the people who are "stirring this up" only BoB will be left you fool. It doesnt really matter whether they ban us or not, because I am voting with my wallet. Subscription cancelled, good riddance, you have proved yourself to not care YET AGAIN CCP. Have fun on the empty servers BoB, oh wait... they will be shut down due to lack of funds unless CCP gets their act together. I bet this post will be moderated... yet again will prove that I cant trust ISD or CCP.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:39:00 - [953] Originally by: Raznarok Edited by: Raznarok on 26/05/2007 05:36:41 Originally by: HAHAHAHAHAHAHHA Originally by: Raznarok Not cool people. CCP give you a great game and you pay them back by stirring ** like this up. You have no idea the amount of time your wasting or people paying for their subscriptions. I reckon they should ban all the ** stirriers tbh. Aside from your hilarious call for people to get banned this post, much like the Axiom alliance, makes no sense. Like yourself not posting with your main. Wimp. No need to get snitty. I can't help it if your alliance is irrelevant.
Rellana	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:40:00 - [954] If BOb can summon up CCP Admiral Chamrajnagar whenever they feel like it in local chat,this is abuse of the worse kind.I understand that we only have one side of the story at the moment so how about explaining why BOB got a ISD member banned at there call?
God Chaser	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:40:00 - [955] Edited by: God Chaser on 26/05/2007 05:41:06 Edited by: God Chaser on 26/05/2007 05:40:21 I have tried to get some friends to join eve but they said the forums they have read shows that the game is fixed. And so a waste of hard earned money.Its sad that eve is destroying itsself and doing nothing about it but covering it up.Must be nice when your paying customers are of no concern.... guess the reference is true we play BOB Online...
Dop Sutol	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:41:00 - [956] Originally by: Raznarok Not cool people. CCP give you a great game and you pay them back by stirring ** like this up. You have no idea the amount of time your wasting or people paying for their subscriptions. I reckon they should ban all the ** stirriers tbh. Because it really worked in SWG, UO, etc... You must be new to MMORPGs. Bans will make everything worse, you DON'T want to create martyrs.
Shadow Steel	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:41:00 - [957] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: Shadow Steel Simple solution: Attack BoB While it might accomplish something... the real problem is on the other end of MSN. So long as CCP employees are willing to play favoritism the issue will remain, be it with BoB or a different group. Yes, he issue of CCP corruption would still remain, however it would force the issue on BoB's end, and perhaps certain members of CCP. Working under the assumption that the entirity of CCP is not corrupt, and that they do want to make money still, it can be concluded that such an allergic community reaction would cause CCP to conduct a bit of house-cleaning. Also, with BoB dissolved, it would take away a fair bit of in-game power the players and their CCP friends can wield. And, if CCP attempts to intervene to save BoB, it would only cause further pain for them.
Tempus Fugitive	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:41:00 - [958] I am not an alt, this is my main character. I am a neutral. Also, I admit I stopped reading this thread after just five pages. Forgive me if this has all been said, just voicing my opinion for the record. I don't know anything about BoB or Goons or who did what, for the most part I don't even care. What concerns me is CCPs response of silence. It brings back awful memories of my own petitions that were deleted without explanation because, maybe they were in the wrong catagory or something. I wouldn't know because no one bothered to tell me. I can also recall many times going to the forums hoping for some explanation on why the game was not functioning properly, to find only screaming hordes wanting some kind of news, and no news to be found. My advice to CCP is to learn to communicate to its customers. Now, to everyone that wants heads to roll and see it broadcast live, it won't happen. While Eve is a game to you and I, CCP is a business. Businesses have real world legal responsibilities, like not firing people based on popular opinion and not disclosing employee discipline. Last thing, Eve is a market game, above all else. It's why we all love it and play it. If you really want to hurt someone, you hit them in the wallet. We all know this. I'm just saying that it's okay to voice your opinion, but in the end your voice is worth exactly US$14.95 per month.
ExplodingBears	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:41:00 - [959] Damn uppity goons, always starting ***. Why can't they just sit back and realize that there's no real* problem. They need to know when they should just submit to the will of the dominant alliance.
Karasuma Akane Gallente	Posted - 2007.05.26 05:41:00 - [960] Originally by: Ysira Edited by: Ysira on 26/05/2007 00:22:32 This (and the other incidents before) is exactly why anybody with additional powers should be banned from playing on TQ with normal accounts. GMs, Devs and even most of the ISD people. If there is a private character on TQ and you still have "super powers", there will always be a conflict of interests. Originally by: Mari Onette eve has reached a point where people with admin rights to the game can no longer be taking part in it, unless you want these PR nightmares to keep happening. As long as GM's have alts in large alliances... Even if there was never any developer or GM misconduct again, you have already lost the trust of your players. I don't see any other way of restoring this trust except for not allowing people with admin rights to the game to play in alliances. Originally by: Samuel Freedom some of the DEV's are not mature enough to seperate 'playing' from there actual job. CCP needs to get rid of the self involved DEV's/GM's. Originally by: ApathyKills The FACT is that CCP acknowledges it's developers plays the game which gives rise to a whole basket of possible problems. People who can directly affect (for better or worse), in a LARGE way, systems are restricted from doing so in one way or another. Originally by: Kesslar Znel if I contacted my friends at Blizzard and asked for free stuff, heads up on what's going to be in the Black Temple, or for the firing of a GM, I'd be told, with the deadly seriousness that is usually reserved for the death of a family member, "Dude, I can't do that, I'd lose my job." That's apparently not the case at CCP, and that's a shame... Originally by: luminoll have you guys ever heard of ethics? This is a harsh game. No player can be friends with anyone who might give them an advantage. Its a conflict of interest. Even if this is all BS, CCP screwed themselves but allowing employees to fraternize with players. Originally by: Edwin Von**enScoop The people who are in charge of keeping the game fair have a vested intrest in keeping their alts corp powerful. This is a conflict of interest pure and simple and it must end. The simple fact is that with the current system there will continue to be misconduct by paid employees of CCP. Originally by: Dyeadmheet The sad fact here is that this kind of distrust with CCP is going to continue until everyone who's a developer or has any kind of special access to the database or anything within the game is disallowed from playing it. there's just no way to really resolve all of this and still allow developers to play the game. There's a deep conflict of interests here and everyone knows it. The problems are NOT going to go away until the conflict of interests is removed. As long as the conflict of interests continues, distrust and suspicion will continue. No amount of reassuring PR talk is going to make any real difference. CCP employees need to decide what is more important: doing their job and earning their real livelihood, or playing the game and their corporation and alliance 'friendships'. Until a strict policy along these lines is instituted and enforced, more instances of undue influence, unfair advantage, favoritism, corruption and cheating will continue to occur. Besides, Devs and GMs should be busy fixing bugs, creating content, and massacring macros while online... not benefiting their buddies. Have some professional responsibility and personal honor, and don't place yourself in positions where your work and your play come into conflict. Any CCP employee found to have contributed to cheating should be terminated, since such actions show and prove that they are not only willing to compromise their own job duties, but also undermine (further) CCP's reputation as a company and the entire game of Eve by tilting what should be the unbiased and impartial playing field rightly expected by all players. ----- The possibility of successfully navigating an asteroid field is approximately 3,720 to 1.



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