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KenDoll
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: flearider easy way to stop all the fuss..NO CCP EMPLOYEE SHOULD BE ABLE TO PLAY EVE ....they don't need to play to fix things ..they don't need to play to come up with content ..there job is to create a game for us to play in ...
thats not particularly fair on the honest cpp devs, all Gm/dev powers should be removed from there ingame (playing) characters.
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:38:00 -
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Originally by: Vaeldan Athargan
Originally by: Kerfira
First he bumps a dread, then he sticks around watching what is going on, with no apparent valid reason for being there....
TBH, I would suspect that he was spying for whoever my enemies were too, and ask him to leave.....
TBH, I would suspect that he was spying for whoever my enemies were too, and start screaming demands at him to leave. When that doesn't work, they call in their dev friends to have him forcibly ejected not only from the system, but from his 'job' in the game and banlock all of his accounts.
There, fixed that for you.
Yeah, you're right. Banning for a bump? Hell, that's definately not retribution or escalation. Thanks for clearing that up for us little people.
If I read the information provided correctly (this is the logs leaked by goons), he was banned for not following ISD procedures, i.e. that he is not supposed to in any way interfere in how EVE is played when using his ISD account.
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Tharrn
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:38:00 -
[1473]
Originally by: jellybird
Originally by: Smith I for one trust CCP will resolve these minor issues as soon as possible. TBH I don't see what all the fuss is about.
Signed
Now that's surprising, isn't it? :P
Ceterum censeo 'Concordia' esse delendam.
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Captain Crimson
CoreTech Industries E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:38:00 -
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I know who we need... ryysa.
Originally by: Tuxford I have already expressed my personal opinion on this and it was very positive (something about happy in the pants).
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:39:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 26/05/2007 12:30:41
Originally by: Tharrn
Originally by: Kerfira
First he bumps a dread, then he sticks around watching what is going on, with no apparent valid reason for being there....
TBH, I would suspect that he was spying for whoever my enemies were too, and ask him to leave.....
What part of the word 'correspondent' don't you understand? Gathering news and stuff...
And yet... it appears (given the origin of these accusations) that his affiliation WAS to the enemy side.... possibly the suspicion was right?
TBH, I don't know either way. I just know of no major alliance who are happy having ISD people around when they're doing ops, specifically because of the impossibility of determining whether they're spies or not... If I understand correctly, he was asked to leave because he was ACTIVELY interfering with ops (bumping), and suspected to be a spy. He then went on an ego-trip because nobody should tell HIM what to do, and got kindly reminded by his boss (banning him), that ISD is NOT supposed to interfere!
What is the real story? Impossible to know, but my interpretation above is just as plausible as anything else. Actually, considering all the fuss his friends are kicking up about it, a lot more plausible...
Having a little experience with that from the BoB-ASCN war on the ASCN side, reporters never let anyone tell them what to do.
Or let me put it this way, those reporters need those polaris frigs or they would get podded daily. The ISD reporters action is extremely recognizable for me (and typical of CCP really, Sharkbait responded even more vicious once when he got bumped ingame in TPAR), as is Orange Species demand he leave local.
The only surprising this is that apparently BoB managed to get another ISD honcho to actually call off the ISD guy, which is something that we never succeeded in back in the day.
Perhaps good to ask clarification from ISD about this policy change, can warring parties now demand that ISD leave any system they are fighting in? signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected]) |
Calvin Firenze
Minmatar Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: Calvin Firenze on 26/05/2007 12:40:50
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Guys, guys, we screwed up. We should have been kissing ass this whole time instead of playing the game.
16 pages in, the first post to make me laugh
cheers!
EDIT: All jokes aside, I'm going to avoid the back and forth *****ing about what happened. Until CCP responds, I'm neutral. Flame me if it helps you sleep at night.
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Draconian Arcane
Minmatar Praetorian BlackGuard
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:40:00 -
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I'm sure CCP employee's are doing what they think is best. Sometimes you just have to make judgement calls on such things. This seems to have escalated to a level beyond what it deserves.
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Drake Mezcal
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:40:00 -
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Edited by: Drake Mezcal on 26/05/2007 12:38:49
Originally by: Dianabolic
Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Dianabolic You do realise that, in a previous witch hunt, the fact that many of us speak to the devs / gm's / employees of CCP on a regular basis as friends is already common knoweldge?
And you're now complaining that we speak to these people, who are also our friends, about stuff in-game?
Do you lot REALLY think that the "top" people, Hillmar and Oveur etc, are party to all of this? Of course they're not, this is their cash cow.
Get over yourselves.
Ya'll complain when something doesn't go your way, but I don't hear any of you complaining when the conversations any of us have with the very same people lead to bugs being fixed, oh no, because that's a benefit RIGHT?
(not directed at you, nyphur, jsut the general idiocy that is prevalent in this thread).
So basically you do have a special line straight to the devs and presumably get special favors because of that? Thanks for confirming.
We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our FRIENDS.
Even devs need friends, you know, they're not robots.
First of all, you are the worst diplomat i have ever seen.
Second of all, lol
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Thomas Torquemada
Minmatar Universal Peace Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sergeant Spot This bears repeating: =================================
CCP has fired staff before for in game misconduct.
Yep, you read that right.
And if the situation warrents it, I've no doubt they will again.
But if CCP has any balls, they'll tell the howling lynch mob to go to hell. They will probably do so politely, but it will be the same thing.
You'll have to do some digging, but the incident was all over the forums for a short while.
If there is a firing warrented, I have no doubt it will happen. But I dont trust howling lynch mobs.
moot points considering said banned persons would undoubtedly just rejoin the game with a new char/account and continue any influence they have with their "buddys".
A player should remain what he is, a simple player, not a dev wielding maniac able to bend the rules to how they see fit.
TBH i cant see how CCP are able to reprimand players for their innactions when their own tend to get swept up with penaltys that dont amount to much at all (ie: char/account removal, it stops nothing...)
GM's/ISD players should by default have no other account/characters that are involved with any alliance politics, the simple gamer who plays eve and has fun should hold those roles not alliance bigshots with influencial friends.
UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide!
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Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:40:00 -
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Originally by: jeffb
Originally by: Kerfira And yet... it appears his affiliation WAS to the enemy side.... possibly the suspicion was right?
TBH, I don't know either way. I just know of no major alliance who are happy having ISD people around when they're doing ops, specifically because of the impossibility of determining whether they're spies or not...
If you would read the open letter you would see that he was in Aegis Militia Alliance, an empire roleplaying alliance with no connection to 0.0...
And what has that to do with anything? Afaik, ISD characters don't show their mains alliance/corp, so the only info avail was an ISD guy acting suspiciously and maybe in a way that made him look like he was spying...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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Sarafi
The 2nd Coming
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:41:00 -
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Vaeldan Athargan
Caldari Navy 'Black Knights' VFA-154
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Vaeldan Athargan
Originally by: Kerfira
First he bumps a dread, then he sticks around watching what is going on, with no apparent valid reason for being there....
TBH, I would suspect that he was spying for whoever my enemies were too, and ask him to leave.....
TBH, I would suspect that he was spying for whoever my enemies were too, and start screaming demands at him to leave. When that doesn't work, they call in their dev friends to have him forcibly ejected not only from the system, but from his 'job' in the game and banlock all of his accounts.
There, fixed that for you.
Yeah, you're right. Banning for a bump? Hell, that's definately not retribution or escalation. Thanks for clearing that up for us little people.
If I read the information provided correctly (this is the logs leaked by goons), he was banned for not following ISD procedures, i.e. that he is not supposed to in any way interfere in how EVE is played when using his ISD account.
No argument there. However, the guy clearly didn't act like someone who realized that he was interfering with how EVE is played. Do you get that impression from the logs? I don't. He was flat-out surprised by the questioning at first, the conversation with his boss shows that. The banning was injury atop insult.
BoB mimes calling a Dev + Dev/CCP shows up and starts berating ISD guy for "interfering" in a non-combat gathering = Suspicious interaction in my book.
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Amanda Shadowsword
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:42:00 -
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Is it me or has this turned into a mass beat up CCP post. But as far as CCP playing with players i think it's wrong, if they need to enter the public servers for any reason then make it known to all that see him such ideas as make them Jove and change there box in local to bright orange or make them a CONCORD fleet captain as to fit in with the role players but they should not be able to influence the game at all this means either killing players, joining corps or allegedly fixing competitions |
Okane Kudasai
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:42:00 -
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Well - I'm going to add my bit - don't expect to be read or understood but here goes....
To the Eve Community that responded angrily to this incident ....
FACT: People, it is a GAME. So .. Why do you get emotive about storms in tea-cups? In the scheme of your life and the reason you play, how does this matter?
You play NOT for destroying things or earning fake money but for sharing. This most basic of human requirements, is the basis for this type of game to exist and thrive.
If you are the type of human to get over excited by percieved inconsistancies (and it is your perception we are refering to) then the way you can deal with is is by DIS-ASSOCIATION.
What this means is you have to step back from the situation and ask some simple "grounding" questions which could go like so....
- Why does this situation cause this reaction in me?
- Who is being affected by my reaction, and does it feature in a positive way to those affected?
- Is this reaction going to affect the quality of my life and those closest to me?
- How does this reaction affect me physically - could this make me ill?
- Can I let this go and move on?
So, lets move on ....
Now, on the game and the interaction of developers with players and BALANCE...
Real life is not balanced and I would love to see some reality injected into this game, where there is competing and secrecy, domination and retribution on a MASSIVE scale, for example - Jovians enslave the Eve community and get them to work for the Jovian dictators - something that requires all of us to overcome and triumph.
I see these little glitches in the game as the natural unbalance the we have in life struggling to break through the constraints we place around the game.
Natures concept of balance is violent and unforgiving, prey is eaten by predator and in turn killed by something else. In the midst of this carnage and depravity, we find golden moments that brings with it, personal fulfilment and contentment and time enough to play a game...Eve
Share and let go .... life is too short
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Steve ShutupSteve
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:42:00 -
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What the heck is going one here? Yes I am a Newbie. Dude I am a cheater. Not in this game(Yet(No single payer yet)). There are some things you just don't cheat at. Massive Mutiplayer Role Playing Games are on the list of things not to cheat on. Stats games too are victim to this idea. If dumb jerks wanna cheat. Well yank there rights and do what a real face less corporation will do. Anchor there ships in high sec 0.4-1.0 paint them as hostile. Then let everyone shoot at them. When all items and assets have been destroyed. Then put them to work for the rest of their contracts debugging tax software. Fare no but the dumb jerks would still feed their kin and have to deal with the hostile workplace for violation of what is fare and not fair. Then for the players would killed the forum which I think is also against the rules. Give their locations to newbies as a starter mission for hard or some thing. Then have them pod the jerks with high(God like) stat bonus modifiers. To not make targets of the newbie players have them show as concord ships coming to get them for spamming the forums. Newbie gets to blow up a dread and the spammers get dead. Lots of fun and justice all the way around. |
Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:44:00 -
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Originally by: Calvin Firenze Edited by: Calvin Firenze on 26/05/2007 12:40:50
Quote:
Guys, guys, we screwed up. We should have been kissing ass this whole time instead of playing the game.
16 pages in, the first post to make me laugh
cheers!
EDIT: All jokes aside, I'm going to avoid the back and forth *****ing about what happened. Until CCP responds, I'm neutral. Flame me if it helps you sleep at night.
Heh, missed that post on the first read-through, funny comment indeed. signature removed - please contact us to find out why (include the URL of your sig) - Jacques([email protected]) |
Vaeldan Athargan
Caldari Navy 'Black Knights' VFA-154
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:45:00 -
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Okane, I think people are upset because they are seeing the little man behind the curtain. Some people have invested hundreds of dollars in their characters, and now see no reason to continue or to trust CCP or the Devs or to not see conspiracy everywhere they turn.
In short, the magic, the trust and the hope is gone in many.
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Thomas Torquemada
Minmatar Universal Peace Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:47:00 -
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In short i do honestly believe 99.9% of CCP dont want this stuff to happen and id hope wouldnt let it, their core problem is recruiting "helpers" from the core playerbase, thats where these problems arise, giving power to people who already influence the game.
UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide!
Peace My Brothers... |
Kerfira
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 26/05/2007 12:48:21
Originally by: Vaeldan Athargan
Originally by: Kerfira My stuff...
No argument there. However, the guy clearly didn't act like someone who realized that he was interfering with how EVE is played. Do you get that impression from the logs? I don't. He was flat-out surprised by the questioning at first, the conversation with his boss shows that. The banning was injury atop insult.
Maybe he was surprised or maybe he was a good actor...
We'll never know exactly what was going on, and the forum is (even at best of times and this certainly isn't) not a good source of information.
I see little, if any, PROOF in these 50+ pages of any misconduct by anyone. I certainly see things CCP needs to look into, but this being a holiday weekend I understand why it might take them a while..
I see lots of accusations, and a lot of people jumping to conclusions without any real facts to base them on though.... Modern day lynch-mob ftw!!!
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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n0thing
Northern Intelligence Artificial Intelligence.
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:47:00 -
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Edited by: n0thing on 26/05/2007 12:46:35
Originally by: QuantumX Edited by: QuantumX on 26/05/2007 12:27:35 Changes need to happen....
CCP sop being corrupt.
Stop "Playing" your own game
Ok well, but thats where they get all info from. Or at least biggest part of it. Would you be happy with wrong balancings? Bugged to no end new content even more then it ever was/is/will be? They play it also in order to make sure you dont get stuck with your ship flying upside down and your weapon firing on you.
Oh no, a POS being altered, one POS. Thats rather dumb to put all other issues under same line. Its like saying whole truck of apples is corrupt if one got a bad spot on it.
Seriosly, yeah, it would seem bad if you know that someone takes use of some unfair abilities. But if it would really happen like people describe here, all wars will be a complete win. I mean you seriosly dont think that all who plays EVE from CCP play for one certain party? That would be rather bad thing to do since it would lead to no result of 'gathering info on gameplay'. Meaning, im certainly sure they are more then scattered over all levels of play, over most of professions. Meaning, if at very least part of them was using their abilities, that would be VERY visible.
In any case, to improve how stuff is done, Id rather suggest tighten the req`s for ISD volunteers, would only increase quality of the help/work provided and done by them. Even tho they still seem fine to me, theres always a room for improvement, in any work/organization/society.
Good day.
edit: typos. ---
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Darnoth El'lyan
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:47:00 -
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CCP cheat? Well I NEVER!
Seriously, this sort of stuff should never be "covered up." All it does is erode trust and...o wai this is what happens. I've never heard of company killing their own game before by being this stupid.
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pricecheck8
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:48:00 -
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lol rennard i so agree with you. since the first time i've canceled 2 of my 3 accounts. i also wish there was another space mmorpg like this out, id cancel my last 1 in a heartbeat.
and bottom line, if their staff is truly guilty of doing any of these things, do you think HONESTLY they will admit to any or all of it except some things which can be proven without a doubt.
jus wondering how far has this gone, has any1 posted on the game forums.where they post info on other games. especially ones when theres been reviews of the game. ign/gamespot, etc etc
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Vaeldan Athargan
Caldari Navy 'Black Knights' VFA-154
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:49:00 -
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Originally by: Thomas Torquemada In short i do honestly believe 99.9% of CCP dont want this stuff to happen and id hope wouldnt let it, their core problem is recruiting "helpers" from the core playerbase, thats where these problems arise, giving power to people who already influence the game.
I think most people here would agree with you, even begrudgingly.
It is the isolated incidents of this sort of thing happening, however, that tear apart good things. Look at real world political scandals that take down leaders of corporations, countries, governments. These "small things" can have huge impact.
Go out and read what sites like Slashdot, IGN are saying. Eve does not have a good, solid standing in the eyes of many gamers because of past issues, and now this happens.
Proof or not, truth or not, this is going to have big ripple effects for all players of the game.
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Richard Johannson
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:50:00 -
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Posted - 2007.05.26 11:34:00 - [1532] - Quote
"I think this thread also illustrates perfectly that we neither censor nor do we try to silence our customers.
CCP Arkanon
CCP Internal Affairs
Well, thats interesting. Why did you cancel the first tread about the allegations from the Goons then?
Around 23 GMT a guy ask: Why are the forums down? I answered: Because an open letter from the Goonfleet to CCP, with link to the allegations.
10 Sec later my account was deleted! Hmm, that don't mean that you silence ppl? I got NO warning before, i got NO explaination after. My account is banned with no reason given nor explained to me, its payed already till July 14.
Keep the money for the next 6 weeks, because its the last you will get from me.
I am done with this really nice Game i honestly enjoied a lot in the past....
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zombu2
Caldari Gangsters of EVE Ash's to Ash's
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:50:00 -
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Whats the point of discussing this here we have 55 pages of OMFG i stop playing and CCP sucks
GET OVER IT
Everytime something like this happens ppl get ****ed off but its no excuse for writing random crap in the forums for where there is no proof or anything else
i m no friend of bob either but if you guys want to do something to get rid of bob
GET ALL OTHER NON BOB EVE PLAYERS TOGETHER AND FIGHT EM
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Ironnight
Caldari x13 Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Dianabolic We have a "special" line (if you want to call msn that) to our friends
Priceless and Eve becomes the joke of the MMORPG world, again.
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Thomas Torquemada
Minmatar Universal Peace Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hubris
Originally by: Dianabolic tbf guys, if you're all so offended by the fact that we've built up a relationship with the makers of this game over FOUR YEARS of playing it, perhaps you should start acting your age and, instead of looking to sacrifice them for your own gains at every opportunity, engage with them to make this game what we all want it to be?
I would like to take a minute to respond to this little quote here.
Nothing against you personally Dianabolic but there are people in this game that have done way more for the game they love than you or anyone in bob. But do they have direct line of communication with CCP or would they use it, how about a no on that one. Some people have higher moral standards they live by.
Since i don't want to speak for anyone else i will use myself as an example. Not trying to toot my own horn, because there are people i know that have way outdone my efforts. People that have spent hundreds and thousands of hours in the help channel for example. I was going to make a list but i think this post would get truncated if i did.
I just don't like to speak for others in case i misrepresent things. SO don't mind all the I's below.
Anyway, I have been playing since week 2 of eve. I helped put together about 10% of the las vegas gathering for eve. Did my best in sharing the recordings and broadcasting the event discussions to the rest of the world. There were others that were the brainchilds of it that did way more I was just a worker bee in that instance.
The Vegas event was outstanding. But it was very disheartening to watch it be torn apart later by other players with connections to CCP out of hate for an event that was better than they did. Much back stabbage occurred after that by a certain other group that was way out of bounds.
I put together and paid for the broadcast bandwidth for a radio show (wasn't the best but i know i had fun) that lasted nearly a year. Not to mention developing and paying for bandwidth for an internet tv version of that show, only to scrap it because of a few CCP staff that couldn't get over themselves. That was thousands of US dollars i spent for a game that i enjoyed and wanted to share with others.
Now the big question after all that typing is: Should I get special treatment for doing any of it. I would have to say a big "insert four letter word here" NO!
Nothing i did should ever allow me to get any sort of special treatment. I had access to contact one person in the community relations department due to interviewing him. Shortly after that i deleted his phone# out of our studio phone logs. I would never want anyone to think i would use it for any gain.
Did you catch that last part. Even the thought that others would THINK i had that access would sicken me.
Some of you may hate me and not put any thought into what i wrote due to me being a founding member of SN1GG. OR any connection i have or don't have with a certain "social engineer with a blog".
I guess it gets pretty bad when a big bad pirate griefer has higher morals than others in this game.............
Oh ya sorry to the rest of SN1GG for being a forum ****** for once in a few years.
this is how things should be.
UPC - PVP'ers Good and Bad, How Do You Want Peace? Through Talk Or In A Casket? We Decide!
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Clennel
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:51:00 -
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Why is anybody surprised at CCP's behavior? They market and promote the game using the terms "Lying", "Betrayal", and "Deceit"! Do you honestly think they picked those words out of thin air? :-)
Clen
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Tramlaw
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:53:00 -
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I personally would like to see this issue resolved by having CCP take several steps in regards to this matter. In no way do I think it will seem fair to all those involved but I think it might help return faith in the devs and GMs.
1) Full disclosure of the situation publicly and the sacking of all parties involved with in game interference. 2) Reinstatement of those accounts that were banned for discussion of suspicions of dev interference within the game, if the allegations are found to be true. 3) New guidelines that strictly prohibit any CCP staff member of any level from belonging to any corporation/alliance that has anything to do with the actually 'playing' of the game and the perma-banning of all accounts associated with those employees and anything that was provided by these accounts to their corporations to give them a step up on other corps. 4) The disolving of BoB as it has become abundantly clear to the vast majority of players that BoB is/has been directly involved with the developers in this game. The involvement is perceived to be the main reason why people hate BoB and feel there is no possible way for anyone to mount any effective opposition to such a Mega Alliance. The devs inabilty or unwillingness to address exploit issues that BoB has shown to use to an advantage against all enemies is more than proof positive that BoB is favored by CCP. Any tournaments that I have been aware of or broadcasts of Eve TV have always shown a slant towards BoB's favor.
Should be an interesting time at the Fan Fest since this hit the fan. Hopefully the devs will do something to correct what has happened and restore faith in subscribers. Also think if BoB is disolved and the space they control goes up for grabs what fun we will all have again! But I digress because the disolving of BoB will never happen and I doubt CCP will ever MAN UP and admit to any responsibilty in this matter. And forget full disclosure. Man I live in a dream world!
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Jonas Vance
Orion's Nebula
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Posted - 2007.05.26 12:53:00 -
[1500]
Anyone seen This game before? I tried it out a bit on Linux and it's kinda fun. It's more Wing Commander style dogfighting, but interesting. |
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