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ghosttr
Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:20:00 -
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Well it was handled incorrectly by both sides.
On Non-Anwsered Petitions
If CCP didn't respond to the petitions made (if any were made), then CCP was wrong. CCP should have acknowledged the petition, and handled any issues in a private matter. Petitions are the only way the playerbase has to resolve issues, if the petition system doesn't work, then the response is a non-public response by the player. After the issue went public then CCP was right for not answering petitions. (due to the bias of the original poster).
On a dev joining the corporation.
I don't think this is a real issue, devs should be able to move about freely to fix problems. The only problem i see here is that devs should have better tools so that they don't have to join a corporation to fix issues, or that there is no log that the dev joined or left the corp.
On any player claiming to know a developer.
Any player claiming to know a dev, or any player who impersonates a dev should be punished according to the eula. If a corp member in bob claimed to be able to know a dev, impersonated a dev, or anything similar to that.
That player should be banned if there is any evidence of this, any action taken that even suggests that any CCP staff may be involved should also be investigated. (like if a bob member claims that ccp is going to ban someone, if they do get banned, such action should be looked into)
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Mazuel
Grettistak
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:20:00 -
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I am extremely disappointed in the manner in which CCP has handled these allegations. To censor and restrict the flow of information is simply inexcusable. There is no situation in which this should occur. We're talking about a game here, not National Security.
Furthermore, to comment on these allegations in such a manner as to call them "sensationalist"... How dare you? How dare you try to attack this person's credibility when your own is in question? And; to address one single issue to the exclusion of the others, in an attempt to further diminish the post's credibility... Really? Have you been backed in to a corner so far as to need these underhanded tactics?
Why not show some professionalism, address the issues up front, and give the accusations the creditability they deserve. This "statement" of yours tells me one thing: You've already decided to sweep this under the rug and ignore the elephant sitting next to you.
Please, please, please show us, your paying customers the respect we disserve. Handel this properly. Fear not what lurks in the shadows and dark places of the world. For they who would remain hidden fear you. |
Jonas Vance
Orion's Nebula
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Jonas Vance on 26/05/2007 00:20:08
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Mitawyn
Caldari DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: WildSide u doesnt need to answer on thsi goonies..but was it a Capital building POs we was talking about or jsut a ordinary Pos? if its the first its definaly fishy.
I can answer that one. There was no "bugged" pos of DS1 in game at that time, or now either.
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SuperSarge
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:21:00 -
[185]
Anyone notice in the response the only thing thats mentioned is Goons getting the forums disabled? Anyway thanks CCP, i've cancelled my account and plan on moving onto a new game. If something ever changes to the point where a person can not go on msn to call up is friend to get an ISD member kicked out, let me know. k thx.
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JamnOne
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Xalorn Whatever happens, its not going to be swept under the rug. Its on ign.com & digg.com (main page) so far.
I must be blind because I don't see this story on either site.
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Mayojin
Import Export Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:21:00 -
[187]
i wanted to quote someone... but his post was delted *g*
get you employes out of the game - asap
trust me - it will solve most prob's
me
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Natas Dog
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: Cyllaina I read the letter, I don't see anything in there that would constitute a label of " cheating "...
A careful read will allow one to see that the ISD guy was clearly bias against BoB in the instance he spoke about, he even admitted to Warping within 1 " Foot " as he put it, of the dread.
Come on now, we all know if you warp right ontop of someone, be it a few hundred meters or a thousand, the likelyhood that you're going to bump them is high.
So whats the big deal here? Jerk of an ISD reporter got his privledges taken away, -claps-
CCP being contacted via MSN rather than petition? Who cares? You all wish you could do such a thing, I don't see any instance in that entire letter than says Orange Species did anything to " Cheat " or change the " State of the game " or the " Course of his pvp operation " By reporting that ***** to someone he might call friend, who just happens to be on CCP staff.
Come on now people, all this instigating and calling to arms from the community is what will ruin this game, not the fact BoB has CCP staff on MSN lists.
CCP is not a local government, theyre not elected officals, if you don't like the way things are handled, stop paying them, it's not like taxes, you have a choice.
They do NOT have to answer to the customer, simply stop being a customer and go play vanguard or something singleplayer so you dont have to interact with other people.
Yes, god forbid we actually want parity in this game. We can all learn a lesson from your words, you should probably put in for a position in ISD about it; I hear there's at least one open as of recently.
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Oofig VanDoogan
The Return FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:21:00 -
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Congrats Goons on bringing this to attention, and to the ISD guy as well who called out some of his co-workers and got banned for it.
So, how long till the BoB forum gag again? ----------------------------------------------- Recruitment Thread Human Resources Director, RXA |
Subflict
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: KSUDruid The first thing I thought when I saw the goons posting this was, "Wow, they're just looking for a way to bow out of the game and have an excuse."
The responses of this thread prove it. Will be seeing you guys, the door is that way.
Band of Developers
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ArmyOfMe
Exotic Dancers Club Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kuseka Adama First off.
Speaking as a former FC player and an ex citizen of Rubi-ka (Anarchy online) i can assure you that when it comes to rigging events nothing can compare not even this to what former ARK events director Lornavash is accused of. A personal vendetta breaking every code that organization had was pursued against one player and was one of the reasons i came to eve. That story is one that would make this pale in comparision. The events team there plays out the events no matter what we try to do. Nothing ever changes there you are at their mercy. So quite frankly i am used to it.
I hope this gets sorted and ends with the proper result for all involved. If that means people being fired publicly so be it. If it means a public apology by those involved so be it. But quite frankly i know from personal experiences posts like this do little if anything about the problem. Most dont even bother to listen. Especially on issues like this. It will be done when its done.
I do know this aint the only game this happens at sorry to say. Rumors like this have spiraled about many games. Anarchy Online and others have had simular problems. There is no cause so noble as to not attract the *******.
indeed wise words chronus, but with the things happend in the past regarding bob it makes it a lot harder not to belive this but i can honestly say i hope its not true since id rather continue to play this game
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Arushia
Nova Labs Empire Research
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:22:00 -
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The glitched pos makes sense.
I'm more concerened aout the wrongful termination of the ISD correspondant and the allegation that BoB is able to reach CCP staff with a simple MSN message, bypassing the petition system used by honest players.
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Groox
Enterprise Estonia
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:22:00 -
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Hi goonies, can I have your stuff?
I know it's cheesy, but I just could not resist.
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Montero
Black Omega Security
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:22:00 -
[194]
That's right guys. Blame the goons. They were the ones cheating right? Right? Guys? ---------
Scrapheap Challenge
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Wendat Huron
Lupus Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:22:00 -
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Originally by: Miz Cenuij LOL, just so its clear to everyone, im still not a GM and had nothing to do with this incident either !
You being a GM would be the single worst business decision any MMO company could ever take.
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Ysira
Amarr Mortis et Excidium Cold Steel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:23:00 -
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Edited by: Ysira on 26/05/2007 00:22:32 This (and the other incidents before) is exactly why anybody with additional powers should be banned from playing on TQ with normal accounts.
GMs, Devs and even most of the ISD people. Of course all those people need access TQ with their special roles and abilities. But they should have no further interest on TQ.
It is fine that they want to play their game, experience their vision. They can do so on Singularity. It might not be the same as TQ, but at least it is EVE.
If there is a private character on TQ and you still have "super powers", there will always be a conflict of interests.
Example: Of course that guy got reported for exploiting... But you knew him well. He is in your corp after all. Oh, it was only one time. Better speak to him over TS... And what should we do with that petition? Oh, closed without response. What a pity.
I do not say that all GMs (Devs, ISD, and so on) act like this or that even a single GM acts like this. All GMs I had contact to were always helpful and friendly and I greatly appreciate their help and the support they bring to EVE.
Outside influence and metagaming is cheating. Just as influencing the game via real life money. You might not be able to eliminate metagaming entirely, but you can limit at least CCP involvement.
It leaves a bad mark on your company, even if you investigate each "internal affair". There would be no need for such investigations if you eliminate the cause.
I do not know why Devs need to be able to play the game with their own private characters. You can create every situation and even long time gameplay on the test server and nobody cares. You don't need a char in a player corp on TQ to see the effects of your gameplay or develop the game. If you need to check situations or gameplay on TQ, get your developer account and watch battles or go mine some scordite in Hisec. You will be clearly identified as a developer and gather a large crowd, but there will be no accusations of secret behavior or involvement in the "larger alliances".
About GMs: I understand that they need knowledge of the game, the gameplay and such things to resolve issues. Why must this knowledge come from a private char on TQ? Is it not enough to play on Singularity and observing TQ gameplay?
ISD: Your access to your private chars on TQ should be restricted according to your powerlevel. CRC? Yeah, go on playing on TQ, noone cares for some disappearing threads. AURORA / ISC? Well, flying around in invulnerable ships and observing everything for news purposes. This provides a great deal of metagaming possibilities. No TQ for you, you should have fun with your ISD chars and your events.
I knew that the ISD consists of volunteers and that it might not be fair to everyone. But in the end it would be better for the game. (Give me a polaris frig and something to do with news reporting / events, and I would gladly stop playing on TQ with my private chars!)
I will not comment on "rigged events" at the moment, but I would appreciate some sort of Dev explanation.
Edit: OMG! When I started typing this post I should have been first page... WTF. I should seriously improve my english typing skills.
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Jonas Vance
Orion's Nebula
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr Well it was handled incorrectly by both sides.
On Non-Anwsered Petitions
If CCP didn't respond to the petitions made (if any were made), then CCP was wrong. CCP should have acknowledged the petition, and handled any issues in a private matter. Petitions are the only way the playerbase has to resolve issues, if the petition system doesn't work, then the response is a non-public response by the player. After the issue went public then CCP was right for not answering petitions. (due to the bias of the original poster).
On a dev joining the corporation.
I don't think this is a real issue, devs should be able to move about freely to fix problems. The only problem i see here is that devs should have better tools so that they don't have to join a corporation to fix issues, or that there is no log that the dev joined or left the corp.
On any player claiming to know a developer.
Any player claiming to know a dev, or any player who impersonates a dev should be punished according to the eula. If a corp member in bob claimed to be able to know a dev, impersonated a dev, or anything similar to that.
That player should be banned if there is any evidence of this, any action taken that even suggests that any CCP staff may be involved should also be investigated. (like if a bob member claims that ccp is going to ban someone, if they do get banned, such action should be looked into)
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Kuang
Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:23:00 -
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Originally by: Rudos It's amazing that CCP can still ask us to trust them after so many dishonest and suspicious actions on their part. I have lost any trust that I may ever have had for not only EVE, for the the CCP company as well.
BEST POST IN THIS THREAD ... People need to give people time ... and if you don't want to wait
THEN GIVE ME YOUR STUFF AND QUIT
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Nighlighted
Gallente Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:23:00 -
[199]
From the massive Mod lockdown in General to the fact that this has been posted on DIGG I'd say that a major response is needed. Not like last time, since it seems that every few months something shakes this game to it's core group of players.
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Kata Amentis
Void Spiders Fate Weavers
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:23:00 -
[200]
so let me get this straight, after all the other problems, debacles and scandles... a member of ccp staff has interacted with players without communication... then they covered it up (tbh thats the only way ccp's reaction is going to be taken)...
have they not learnt yet that being open and completely honest is the only way they are going to dig themselves out of the hole they have dug for themselves?
humbly asking for us to believe them... do they seriously think anyone who has played recently is going to do that??
prove to us that things like this are getting sorted, that there is a zero tolerance policy for ccp staff messing with players... and maybe we will in the (far distant) future. But the mirror is broken. (that'd be trust for those not used to my analogies now they are in trouble for ages, see it does make sense)
"Up and up, how far can we go? and how far must we fall to get there?"
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Jin Entres
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:23:00 -
[201]
Originally by: Jenesti and why ccp delete the forum posts about that issue ?
How do you know who deleted the posts? Moderators are volunteers, and work according to a set of rules. Last time I checked redundant topics were forbidden.
While it's possible that a corrupt employee is responsible, in the absence of proof that can not be assumed. We can only wait for the internal examination. It would also be foolish to assume that one or even several possibly corrupt employees represent an organisation and that CCP would not have the best intentions of cleaning the house and clarifying the matter.
I see a lot of disappointment and bandwagoners. Some undoubtedly people just looking for an excuse to give the finger and get out. I myself am disappointed, too, but at two things: the possibility that some of the allegations are in fact true, and the way people have disregarded common sense in responding to this "drama llama". ---
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Useless alt
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:24:00 -
[202]
No mater how bugged a POS might be CCP should always at least send a corp mail to the corp it is invading explaining why they are doing this. Not doing this is a thing that is just beond me, and I hope that if the story told is true CCP needs to make a very clear appology to both the corp and the comunity about this incident.
I would also suggest a "bug fix" to the whole developer hopping in the driver seat set of commands. Make them automaticaly mail the corp every time this is done this way you as developers that need to: ??gain full access to a corp to be able to check a malfunctioning POS?? (should look at it from logs and DB point of view makes if no sense that you would have to look at it thrue a game interface)
As for the story arc having been set in stone and only minor things changable by player interaction... of course that is logical every role player should have realized that by now. How else could CCP tell us that the major factions are going to go to war?
As for "a certain" alliance having full access to at least one and quite posibly more CCP staf members both via in game and out of game communications well I guess that this confirms the suspisions that have been made public by several people ever since the first rigged alliance tournament and the second. Oh and the T2 BP incident, the appearant getting rid of an ISD member and the numerous references and threads that various members of the alliance utter during battles and encounters.
I guess CCP needs to start putting all staff members accounts under much much strickter survailance. Simply log their every command and in cases like this publish all logs and evidence not just saying we are looking at the data but providing the proof of inocense or guild to their subscribers. Because even though EVE is just a game it is a game that feeds all members of staff in the CCP offices, therefor we as your subscribers have the right to know what is going on so please CCP do not just post a GUILTY/NOT GUILTY news bulletin but provide the means for us to verify your findings.
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:27:00 -
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Lol, this thread is getting epic. I want to make sure I understand what is going on.
Some random ISD guy is likely doing something stupid and gets in trouble. In bitterness he goes DIRECTLY to hackerfag and makes up something about jorgu being in touch with BoB on MSN. Everyone bites into hackerfags line of crap because GOONSWARM (<--- here to break the game) has a problem with a GM entering their corp in response to a petition.
Best Reaction EVAH.
I love these forums.
To everyone who's leaving, set up 7 day contracts for your stuff to Wylker please, It'll help with my IPO :)
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Daveydweeb
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:27:00 -
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Edited by: Daveydweeb on 26/05/2007 00:26:12
Originally by: Arushia I'm more concerened aout the wrongful termination of the ISD correspondant and the allegation that BoB is able to reach CCP staff with a simple MSN message, bypassing the petition system used by honest players.
Quite right on this point.
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Jojo Yohan
Gallente Cskillzone DAMAGE INC...
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:27:00 -
[205]
Originally by: Cyllaina
A careful read will allow one to see that the ISD guy was clearly bias against BoB in the instance he spoke about, he even admitted to Warping within 1 " Foot " as he put it, of the dread.
Come on now, we all know if you warp right ontop of someone, be it a few hundred meters or a thousand, the likelyhood that you're going to bump them is high.
Perhaps you didn't read the part that said that doing that was normal for any member of ISD and then orbiting at 80KM. I didn't see in the teleport code any attribute that states how far away you teleport from a dread or anything else.
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Sen Xia
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: hybridundertaker lol a guy posts a nice write up with only 2 jpegs as proofs and the forums get crashed. 1st i dont trust that guy, whoever he claims to be (why came out of closet now, with so many projects and games why even care?)
2nd i dont give a **** if a ccp member enters my corp to test if the bug has been removed or whatevah
3rd bob guys in local vanting about how they can get ccp to do stuff for them is more like a joke (did u notice they name their ship DEVS, u forgot to mention that hard proof) then any proof at all
4th can i have your stuff guys?
5th WTB cheap high sp chars!
6th LOOsers bitter very much?
7th forums deteriorate evn more (i never thought that would be possible) with goons posting, can they pls go back to their own forums... pls...
You just possibly can't understand how this isn't just the "goonies" problems can you? Your pubbie hatred of us doesn't let you see a major problem that affects you just as much as it does us. You don't understand because you are a pinhead who lacks the ability to critically engage anything that doesnt include ******** forum smileys.
Just wait till you are affected by corruption. Just wait till you send the petitions and make the threads only to have them ignored and deleted. Then come back to this thread and make the first informed post of your internet life.
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Milesofun
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:28:00 -
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Seems a bit odd, that no ones petioned sharkbait's char since we now, KNOW he's in the Goonswarm so when's he getting deleted? CCP's plicy is not negatible or so they tell us. Get found out get deleted, so nomore sharkbait But on a more serous note It's odd to fix a petion that the corp in question says does not exist, and the other alegations are worse, seems like an info raid at best CCP i know it's a long weekend, but call the boss in and get this resovled, the last time you messed this up big time. So make yourselves look good and do this right
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:28:00 -
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Originally by: ZeroForce AS A POINT OF FACT
i posted the link to the letter http://goonfleet.com/open_letter_to_CCP.html
my main accoount has now been temporary banned for the next 24hours from the forums for purely posting a few posts with that link in the forums...allegedly i have had "warnings" BS total and utter BS furthermore this shows that CCP is trying to cover this up by silencing people who post the link.....so CCP knows THIS WILL NOT REST....I WILL NOT LET THIS REST
GOOD FOR YOU. GO DOWN FIGHTING! YOU ARE WINNER! PUSH BUTTON. RECEIVE BACON. CAPS LOCK IS CRUISE CONTROL FOR COOL.
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ignisgunner
Minmatar The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Astasia Orian A bunch of people (Hi Goonies) emo-declaring the "END OF EVE AAAAAAAA" is cute when most of them have only been around 5 months and were attracted to it for the very reason that it's full of anarchic sillyness. On a t20 scale of scandalness this is about a 0.00001. Credit for being able to make dramamountains out of molehills though!
why even open your mouth, bob has lost ne crediblity it ever had, ccp lost theres a long time ago, and no matter what happens in this game you will always be rembrered as losers who had to cheat to win. Your like a pimple faced twelve year old playing a first person shooter with a aim bot giggling.
this is my Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels and filesize of 24000 bytes -Kreul Intentions ([email protected])
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Prall Grosserbauch
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: KSUDruid The first thing I thought when I saw the goons posting this was, "Wow, they're just looking for a way to bow out of the game and have an excuse."
The first thing I thought when I saw you posting this was "why exactly is this guy so keen to divert everyone's attention?"
Questions I still want answered:
Why was CEO Pyrex not informed that Sharkbait would make himself a director in his corp? Why were Pyrex's petetions asking for an explanation deleted and further attempts to obtain an explanation treated hostilely?
At the very least there's a serious issue of a serious breakdown in communication and customer relations that needs to be addressed. Also it would be great if everything else not-DS1 related could be addressed.
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