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Haloskeeter
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:42:00 -
[2071]
Originally by: Sweet Majoram
Quote: In related news, GM sharkbait has finally given DS1 a response.
Now, I may be wrong here... but when sharkbait shows up in game isn't his name displayed as " CCP Sharkbait " ???
Hoaxes do suck a**... if this is a hoax please own up to it and not try to ruin something that could have lead to an improvement in gameplay!
Read the thread before replying.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:42:00 -
[2072]
Originally by: Sochin Fired, not banned. Once again, he specifically stated that his player character was NOT banned, he just had to start paying for it again. And consider the possibility that this was not the first time someone had complained about him. If CCP thought that he was being rude in local or embarrassing the company, they have every right to fire him, especially if he had any prior offenses.
That is frankly alot easier to swallow then your scenario of a dev firing someone and risking his RL job just because his e-buddies told him to.
The fact that the ISD guy lost his ISD accounts is trivial in the end. The issue is that people in BoB (and presumably other alliances) have and do not hessitate to use out of game communication channels to get the devs to do things for them while the vast majority of the player base properly files petetitions and waits. Its a question of blatant favoritism on the part of CCP employees that worries me, not an ISD account being deleted. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
Victor Vision
Central Intelligence Service
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:43:00 -
[2073]
Originally by: Sochin ... Perhaps you should consider the possibility that the reporter was wrong, or is not telling the entire truth. Just because what he says supports your "z0mg bob cheats!" point of view doesn't mean you should completely disengage your critical thinking and deductive logic circuits...
Did you overlook all the posts criticising the direct link of BoB to the devs? That is part of the problem, no matter if the ISD member was innocent or not.
I'll say it again: Favoritism is bad.
But I do not expect a reply from you. You know why.
EVE War I - Quick Overview (Feb/March)
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Witty Moniker
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:43:00 -
[2074]
Edited by: Witty Moniker on 26/05/2007 21:41:47 CBA reading 80 pages, so I'll just post my opinion here.
Do you know how silly all this sounds.
Are you trying to say that no one who works for a customer support company is allowed to play their own game?
People have to play their own games so they can keep up with things. Do you have any idea how fast this whole game world evolves?
Wake up. If all these people play, it is not unlikely that they will be in the bigger and better Corporations, for the same reason I just wrote down in the previous paragraph. It is really narrow minded of you guys to think that these employees use any of the tools or rights they have access to. There are probably loads of CCP employees all over the EVE universe.
You see a CCP employee investigating something and you go mental, you see something that seems a little rough on the outside, and you go nuts. In fact, CCP don't even need to respond to all of this crap anyway. IN FACT no one even cares what you think.
And will players know CCP employees? Of course some people will know. Do you expect all employees to live like hermits? Does that mean that those specific players get free stuff, and goodies? Hell no. You can you even suggest that with a straight face?
Anyway ...
Even though all this nonsense here is somewhat amusing, it's also very lame.
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Spoon Thumb
Khanid Aerospace Group Khanid Provincial Authority
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:43:00 -
[2075]
1 hour remaining! how many more pages can we get?
P.s. i've come to my own conclusions about ISD event rigging. Looks like the Goon thing is mighty suspect, even if the dev has an excuse of sorts.
However, the Raehkan stuff sounds really out of order, especially if the way the removal of an ISD member is dealt with is as described
Khaldari
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Prall Grosserbauch
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:44:00 -
[2076]
Originally by: Sochin Um, I omitted it because it wasn't relevant to the point I was making. My point in that post was that it is more then probable that the ISD reporter had indeed bumped a dread at least once, and then refused to leave the grid or system after being formally requested to.
Well that's all fine and dandy but it's the fact that your alliance apparently has the capacity to influence internal CCP workings via out of game means that's interesting to the rest of us, not whether or not a dread was in fact bumped.
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Quilty
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:44:00 -
[2077]
Cancel Fanfest,explosive situation on the forums this year which may well lead to a Punchfest 2007.Dunno how big CCP's liability insurance is at these events but it aint big enough,just too much ill feeling about this place all year and dont think anyone would be surprised with the added ingredient of beer if this all kicked off,theres just no way these guys on either side of the argument can be trusted to behave.
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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:44:00 -
[2078]
Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Calvin Firenze I'm waiting for that one goon to come clean and say...my bad, I got drunk, screen was blurry...I filed a petition. No, really, my bad y'all. Unfortunately, I don't expect any of them to have that kind of integrity. Shame
Even if that were to happen it would have no bearing on the charges of the devs playing favorites over MSN.
And that's all they are at this time. Charges. There is zero proof. If you go by the chat logs in that letter as proof, I pray to god you are never serve on any jury anywhere. Chat logs are easier to modify than a screenshot. I understand that BoB members have admitted to having a personal relationship with devs/GM's on MSN. This also proves nothing beyond the fact that people have engendered a relationship with other people that have created a game they enjoy. It's the same as if you have a waiter/waitress that you're friends with at a restaurant you frequent, its not immoral, its not unethical and its hardly unprofessional. Until solid proof is seen that BoB is receiving special favors as a result of these personal relationships, my stance will remain unchanged. Am I sympathizing with either side? No, I am not. What I am doing is taking things into perspective and regarding given evidence before coming to a conclusion rather than jumping on the "zomg BoB is cheating" bandwagon. Additionally, if you take past occurrences as proof of foul play now, you need to step back away from the computer, take a deep breath, and wait for CCP's response before logging back on to the eve-o forums.
Everyone wants to believe CCP and BoB are in the wrong here, its the human mentality. CCP is "the man" so to speak and its a natural human reaction to feel hostility towards any figure of authority.(so many times I wanted to punch my Drill Sgt. in the face when I was in basic training)
It also shocks me that everyone is believing Goonswarm right off the bat with zero evidence other than a letter that may or may not have been doctored and a couple screenshots. The screenshots prove nothing beyond the fact that Sharkbait entered DS1. Remember, I'm trying to be objective here and look at all possibilities. I suggest that others do the same.
Yeah, I've made jokes in this thread. That's how I am, I like to make people laugh and I generally try to make light of damn near any subject matter. If that bothers you, too bad. this is not a signature, whatever anyone has told you is false. look away |
Merc998
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:45:00 -
[2079]
Originally by: Rauth Kivaro Edited by: Rauth Kivaro on 26/05/2007 21:41:23 Folks, it's obvious that tempers are very high at the moment. This is understandable. Please remember that the posts to the forums must remain within the rules. Please don't flame, troll, evade the profanity filter or abuse other players.
Also, don't post images inline or links to images that are flamebait/trolling. It will be snipped on sight and you will likely receive a warning.
Links to other sites are fine as long as they on topic, are work and age-appropriate sites, and do not link to or refer to links that are not allowed on these forums.
The CRC team is watching this thread and the rest of the forums closely and as ISD staff are EVE players ourselves we share your concerns regarding this matter. Please help us out and keep this thread civil.
Thanks.
Just out of interest did a BoB member MSN you and ask you to intervene as they are having a hard time on here ?
Nope. -Rauth
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:46:00 -
[2080]
Originally by: Sochin
Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch
Originally by: Sochin Did you even read your "Open Letter"? The reporter specifically states that he teleported to within 1 FOOT of the dreads. You don't think that will bump them? ISD Reporters are also required to leave an area if requested, and this reporter refused to do so. Also, only his ISD character was banned, which I imagine is pretty standard when you are fired from ISD. He specifically states that his player character was NOT banned, he just had to start paying for it again instead of getting a free ride (oh the horror!)
You kind of omitted the part where Orange Species said he'd contact CCP staff members over MSN and then moments a dev completely unrelated to the "bumping" events turns up in the ISD channel to chew the reporter out. That to me is the most interesting part of the whole event.
Um, I omitted it because it wasn't relevant to the point I was making. My point in that post was that it is more then probable that the ISD reporter had indeed bumped a dread at least once, and then refused to leave the grid or system after being formally requested to.
Supposing the ISD reporter in question did, accidentally "bump" a dread when he /commanded to the area to view the fight.
In this case, I find it hard to believe that one accidental bump is worth demanding that he leave the system, especially when he's doing his job.
Further, as a player I never feel that demands of "leave the system" or "move out of the region" from other players are binding.
If what you are saying is a correct statement about how the game functions, i.e. commands from BoB leaders are as binding as direct orders from CCP employees, then I think you've proven the point of everyone you are arguing against.
Frankly, it should never be the case that a player can demand something and those they are making the demands of have to obey.
If you have a problem with a particular player, you are certainly free to ask them to leave a system, you are even free to open a petition, like everyone else in the game.
The moment, in any MMO, that you can simply "MSN" an employee of the game, who is your friend, and say "get rid of X," thereby completely circumventing the proper petition process, and X is then gotten rid of a few minutes later, there is something seriouslly wrong with how the game is functioning.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
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Kian Jorry
Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:47:00 -
[2081]
Out of interest, who are CCP's shareholders and what is their position on this? Or are they all in BoB too?
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Tieger
Gallente FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:47:00 -
[2082]
Ive heard that if you cry another 100 pages, a jump portal to Jove space will appear somewhere in curse. You can do it!
Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes |
Haloskeeter
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:47:00 -
[2083]
Originally by: Witty Moniker Edited by: Witty Moniker on 26/05/2007 21:41:47 CBA reading 80 pages, so I'll just post my opinion here.
Do you know how silly all this sounds.
Are you trying to say that no one who works for a customer support company is allowed to play their own game?
People have to play their own games so they can keep up with things. Do you have any idea how fast this whole game world evolves?
Wake up. If all these people play, it is not unlikely that they will be in the bigger and better Corporations, for the same reason I just wrote down in the previous paragraph. It is really narrow minded of you guys to think that these employees use any of the tools or rights they have access to. There are probably loads of CCP employees all over the EVE universe.
You see a CCP employee investigating something and you go mental, you see something that seems a little rough on the outside, and you go nuts. In fact, CCP don't even need to respond to all of this crap anyway. IN FACT no one even cares what you think.
And will players know CCP employees? Of course some people will know. Do you expect all employees to live like hermits? Does that mean that those specific players get free stuff, and goodies? Hell no. You can you even suggest that with a straight face?
Anyway ...
Even though all this nonsense here is somewhat amusing, it's also very lame.
As has been said by myself before, they can play all they damn well please. When they start helping out their buddies, it becomes a problem. As shown with the many BoB scandals as of late, it doesn't work. CCP employees out of everyone should respect their game and not **** it up for everyone except a select group.
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Letti Casta
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:47:00 -
[2084]
ok fine, I'll just post a google link, should be fine for all ages, safe search is even on.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=eve-online+corruption&spell=1
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Raketenkaese
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:47:00 -
[2085]
Originally by: Andrue I know which sounds more likely to me.
You seem to be forgetting that CCP already have a history with this kind of incidents. Which makes it more or less likely?
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Elmo Noguchi
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:48:00 -
[2086]
Edited by: Elmo Noguchi on 26/05/2007 21:47:09
Originally by: Merc998
Originally by: Rauth Kivaro Edited by: Rauth Kivaro on 26/05/2007 21:41:23 Folks, it's obvious that tempers are very high at the moment. This is understandable. Please remember that the posts to the forums must remain within the rules. Please don't flame, troll, evade the profanity filter or abuse other players.
Also, don't post images inline or links to images that are flamebait/trolling. It will be snipped on sight and you will likely receive a warning.
Links to other sites are fine as long as they on topic, are work and age-appropriate sites, and do not link to or refer to links that are not allowed on these forums.
The CRC team is watching this thread and the rest of the forums closely and as ISD staff are EVE players ourselves we share your concerns regarding this matter. Please help us out and keep this thread civil.
Thanks.
Where can we find out what links "aren't allowed on these forums?" Thanks in advance.
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Prall Grosserbauch
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:48:00 -
[2087]
Edited by: Prall Grosserbauch on 26/05/2007 21:46:50
Originally by: Witty Moniker Are you trying to say that no one who works for a customer support company is allowed to play their own game?
Of course they can play their own game. But they shouldn't play it with the general playerbase and/or maintain personal friendships with small sections of the playerbase as it's become abundantly clear that it is impossible for them to do so and remain wholly impartial.
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Vozzek
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:48:00 -
[2088]
Originally by: Sweet Majoram
Quote: In related news, GM sharkbait has finally given DS1 a response.
Now, I may be wrong here... but when sharkbait shows up in game isn't his name displayed as " CCP Sharkbait " ???
Hoaxes do suck a**... if this is a hoax please own up to it and not try to ruin something that could have lead to an improvement in gameplay!
As I said a few pages ago, the screenshot is real, but it is from several months ago. Sharkbait was "responding" to people complaining about lag.
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Katarina Hetiako
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:50:00 -
[2089]
This is all pretty sad...
I guess BoB could ask that CCP and their associates remove any accounts associated with the alliance?
I assume this would hit BoB hard at the top and so don't think it is likely.
I wish BoB would make a stand for the good of the playerbase instead of standing their saying 'proof or stfu'...
Yup, I'm an alt... if only you could see my main... he's so strong and tough! |
Haloskeeter
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:50:00 -
[2090]
Originally by: Quilty Cancel Fanfest,explosive situation on the forums this year which may well lead to a Punchfest 2007.Dunno how big CCP's liability insurance is at these events but it aint big enough,just too much ill feeling about this place all year and dont think anyone would be surprised with the added ingredient of beer if this all kicked off,theres just no way these guys on either side of the argument can be trusted to behave.
If you believe this you are a moron, fanfest is a party to get drunk and discuss the game with other players and CCP. It wont turn into a giant fight. If anything a more intelligent, closer discussion with CCP will happen.
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Nullity
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:50:00 -
[2091]
Originally by: Merc998
Originally by: Rauth Kivaro Edited by: Rauth Kivaro on 26/05/2007 21:41:23 Folks, it's obvious that tempers are very high at the moment. This is understandable. Please remember that the posts to the forums must remain within the rules. Please don't flame, troll, evade the profanity filter or abuse other players.
Also, don't post images inline or links to images that are flamebait/trolling. It will be snipped on sight and you will likely receive a warning.
Links to other sites are fine as long as they on topic, are work and age-appropriate sites, and do not link to or refer to links that are not allowed on these forums.
The CRC team is watching this thread and the rest of the forums closely and as ISD staff are EVE players ourselves we share your concerns regarding this matter. Please help us out and keep this thread civil.
Thanks.
Just out of interest did a BoB member MSN you and ask you to intervene as they are having a hard time on here ?
Nope. -Rauth
You have the best signature... ever.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:51:00 -
[2092]
Originally by: Calvin Firenze And that's all they are at this time. Charges. There is zero proof. If you go by the chat logs in that letter as proof, I pray to god you are never serve on any jury anywhere. Chat logs are easier to modify than a screenshot. I understand that BoB members have admitted to having a personal relationship with devs/GM's on MSN. This also proves nothing beyond the fact that people have engendered a relationship with other people that have created a game they enjoy.
I'd say theres enough evidence for a prima facie case at this point. Granted thats a completely different standard than beyond a resonable doubt, but as it stands the evidence for is looking stronger than the evidence against.
And for the record I've never stated that any of this has been proven (assuming that term is taken to mean beyond a resonable doubt), so please don't try to argue assuming that I have. -- t20: "So Let us play and enjoy the game you and I both love on the same level." |
Letti Casta
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:53:00 -
[2093]
Originally by: Haloskeeter It wont turn into a giant fight.
sure would be interesting if it did though, lol
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Kalestra Cable
Faust Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:54:00 -
[2094]
Originally by: Haloskeeter
If you believe this you are a moron, fanfest is a party to get drunk and discuss the game with other players and CCP. It wont turn into a giant fight. If anything a more intelligent, closer discussion with CCP will happen.
LOL..
Tbh get drunk start a fight and it's a decent Friday night.
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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar Subach-Tech FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:54:00 -
[2095]
Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Originally by: Calvin Firenze And that's all they are at this time. Charges. There is zero proof. If you go by the chat logs in that letter as proof, I pray to god you are never serve on any jury anywhere. Chat logs are easier to modify than a screenshot. I understand that BoB members have admitted to having a personal relationship with devs/GM's on MSN. This also proves nothing beyond the fact that people have engendered a relationship with other people that have created a game they enjoy.
I'd say theres enough evidence for a prima facie case at this point. Granted thats a completely different standard than beyond a resonable doubt, but as it stands the evidence for is looking stronger than the evidence against.
And for the record I've never stated that any of this has been proven (assuming that term is taken to mean beyond a resonable doubt), so please don't try to argue assuming that I have.
Don't get me wrong, I wasn't pointing the finger at you specifically, but the collective eve community that has assumed so. Yes, I agree there's evidence to look into it, but not the evidence to wave the pink slips around the CCP office without investigation.
I apologize that it sounded as if I made an attack on you -.- this is not a signature, whatever anyone has told you is false. look away |
Haloskeeter
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:54:00 -
[2096]
Originally by: Letti Casta
Originally by: Haloskeeter It wont turn into a giant fight.
sure would be interesting if it did though, lol
BoB versus GoonSwarm versus CCP
Who will win this epic showdown, tune it at 7 o' clock to find out!
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dralid
M. Corp M. PIRE
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:56:00 -
[2097]
In my personal opinion, GOONS are just a bunch of whiners who look for all reasons to try to explain their failures. Comon, go annoy WoW please, and let the real boys play here!
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Kukki
Gallente ZiTek Deepspace Explorations Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:57:00 -
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Originally by: Kukki Lol
Link snipped for trolling - Karass Sayfo is realy hard. Even if its 5 or 6 month ago.
But it shows how intelligent even the GM's are in this Game. And I got a warning by GM's for using offensive language.
Jea. You are the best Gm's.
Im not trolling at this point. This is not funny in every single way. So as you read this put the link back to it's place in an instant. This is Zensur. We live in a free land and in my opinion other people have to know how the GM's ***** around. _________________________________________________________________ Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Sahwoolo Etoophie ([email protected])
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Gnulpie
Minmatar Miner Tech
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:57:00 -
[2099]
Originally by: Sochin
Originally by: Prall Grosserbauch You kind of omitted the part where Orange Species said he'd contact CCP staff members over MSN and then moments a dev completely unrelated to the "bumping" events turns up in the ISD channel to chew the reporter out. That to me is the most interesting part of the whole event.
Um, I omitted it because it wasn't relevant to the point I was making. My point in that post was that it is more then probable that the ISD reporter had indeed bumped a dread at least once, and then refused to leave the grid or system after being formally requested to.
If you don't like how someone acts you should petition him like every other player has to do also. Or if that is too much work to you then you must silence up.
What you MUST NOT do, and that is simply cheating, is bypassing the game mechanics and just call your friends at ccp via msn and avoiding all game-mechanics to get an instant response. The normal player CANNOT do that! Is this so difficult to understand or what?
The normal player has to wait days or even longer. I had to wait once 2 weeks for a reply, i couldn't unanchor my pos because the guns were buggy. Of course I would have liked some friend there at ccp whom i could call and ask him if he could look at the problem. But no, I had to wait like everyone else and that is how it should be.
Your reply shows only how rotten you are. For you it seems perfectly normal that you use msn to communicate with the devs/GMs to get some quick in-game results. For you it is already that normal that you don't even feel bad about doing it! Interesting, but somehow not really surprising.
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Miusho
Hyrule Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.26 21:57:00 -
[2100]
Edited by: Miusho on 26/05/2007 21:56:22 lol.
I've lost hope for humanity by reading this thread.
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