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Kam SingDu'k
Singularity. The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: Cyllaina I read the letter, I don't see anything in there that would constitute a label of " cheating "...
A careful read will allow one to see that the ISD guy was clearly bias against BoB in the instance he spoke about, he even admitted to Warping within 1 " Foot " as he put it, of the dread.
Come on now, we all know if you warp right ontop of someone, be it a few hundred meters or a thousand, the likelyhood that you're going to bump them is high.
So whats the big deal here? Jerk of an ISD reporter got his privledges taken away, -claps-
CCP being contacted via MSN rather than petition? Who cares? You all wish you could do such a thing, I don't see any instance in that entire letter than says Orange Species did anything to " Cheat " or change the " State of the game " or the " Course of his pvp operation " By reporting that ***** to someone he might call friend, who just happens to be on CCP staff.
Come on now people, all this instigating and calling to arms from the community is what will ruin this game, not the fact BoB has CCP staff on MSN lists.
CCP is not a local government, theyre not elected officals, if you don't like the way things are handled, stop paying them, it's not like taxes, you have a choice.
They do NOT have to answer to the customer, simply stop being a customer and go play vanguard or something singleplayer so you dont have to interact with other people.
wtb glasses for this guy who claims not to see any cheating! hahaahaha what a joke
First of all, EVEN IF the ISD member was caught bumping the dread, nothing happened to it in the end did it? Further more if the dread was in seige mode IT CANT GET BUMPED. Thirdly, is simply bumping a dread worth a lifetime ban? No. It was actually the exposT of the Bob/GM relationship that got them banned! This was also AFTER the t20 incident... lol...
Please stop posting wortless posts in order to defend your bosses and play the game on a level playing field.
And to the guys who said that everything was solved after the t20 coverup please eat your hats.
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Raedeon
Gallente VNTR Labs
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:29:00 -
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Lame.
good DRAMABOMB for a Friday \o/, saw a post in CAOD early this week about an incoming DRAMABOMB, thought it would be about something else tbh, i thought it would be about .......
Oh maybe save that one for later, mayhaps next FRIDAY!!!
pretty silly crap if the accusations are true. Holding off from saying or jumpin to conclusions. Off to get ****ed up now, ya'll have fun now.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:30:00 -
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One thing that is clear from the hatred and howling that accompinined the probable innocent action from the Dev - is that elements of CCP are percieved by a large percentage of their player base as untrustworthy and are 'lived with' as someone in a peasant village would live with a corrupt dictator who lived in the capital many miles away.
The attitude that "if you dont like it - quit" is simplistic and defeatist. Players have invested a lot of time and isk into the game - and the game has a lot going for it.
What has been proven though - is that mud sticks - and CCPs initial decision to try to stuff the rabit back into the hat was patronising and ill thought out.
SKUNK
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:30:00 -
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Just a quick update from DS1, whom the GM joined, gave himself roles and left just confirmed that they only have three POSs, and no one petitioned. I'd really like to see how the GM explains this.
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Barwinius
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:30:00 -
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For shame, CCP. I thought you would have figured out how to handle this by now. |
ikhi
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Wylker Lol, this thread is getting epic. I want to make sure I understand what is going on.
Some random ISD guy is likely doing something stupid and gets in trouble. In bitterness he goes DIRECTLY to hackerfag and makes up something about jorgu being in touch with BoB on MSN. Everyone bites into hackerfags line of crap because GOONSWARM (<--- here to break the game) has a problem with a GM entering their corp in response to a petition.
Best Reaction EVAH.
I love these forums.
To everyone who's leaving, set up 7 day contracts for your stuff to Wylker please, It'll help with my IPO :)
man the biggest problem with you f5'ing every thread on earth just to post about goonswarm is that you've probably never even seen one on local that and your posting is an incredibly horrible sight way beyond what one could expect from even the most illiterate members of dice
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Angelus Damelon
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:30:00 -
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Disappointing and yet completely unsurprising set of allegations. Bottom line, CCP has mucked this game up quite a bit in various different ways, corruption being only one.
The player base is getting justifiably jaded. I can't even be bothered to act shocked or appalled at news like this anymore.
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Pringlescan
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 26/05/2007 00:01:24 Well I guess today is the day that Goons went too far, spammed the forums to the point they were taken offline and lost the credibility of the Eve community.
Pretty pathetic to try to debase an entire game with so many uncorped alts simply because of their desire to win a forum war.
If you read between the lines of the drama bomb there's not a shred of actual evidence whatsoever.
A sad day indeed. I just wish Goons could have conducted themselves with a bit more honour, instead of ruining the game for the entire eve community to further their own political ends.
Deliberately spoiling / derailing / spamming every single in game channel and legitimate thread on the forums was a step too far. Learn to respect your community, Goonswarm. If you want to be treated with credibility behave in a way that people respect, don't grief the game for innocent players.
Have you been reading the thread? Did you read the allegations? Do you think ccp had an emergency meeting due to some desire of ours "to win a forum war' Im pretty sure the answer to that is no because if YOU had you and the bob members are the only ones to immediatly dismiss this from out of hand. You can not possibly tell if were right or wrong yet you automatically assume that we are without giving a chance for the evidence to surface. That is an example of being politacly motived hands down. We didnt want to spam the forums but since ccp deleted the orginal thread we were forced to, so that everyone would know that there were allegations against CCP that it tried to hide from. If you read the posts so far the only people to lose credulity from this is CCP and BOB itself. Remember this is whats being accused. 1. A gm joined a corp without ANY warning to the pos owners, gave himself director roles and left again without giving any notice. His petion was deleted without any reason given. 2. A former RP volunteer has given evidence that RP events are being rigged and CCP is trying to cover it up. 3. The same man was kicked and fired for allegdly bumping a bob dreadnaught while performing his duties as a reporter in a completly legit way, and not obeying the BOB fc who had no authority over him at all and called in a GM to deal with it through freaking MSN. That is whats at issue here and i might as well add of course CCPs typical reaction when asked for answers.
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Jonas Vance
Orion's Nebula
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:31:00 -
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Quote: Originally by: hybridundertakerlol a guy posts a nice write up with only 2 jpegs as proofs and the forums get crashed.
1st i dont trust that guy, whoever he claims to be (why came out of closet now, with so many projects and games why even care?)
2nd i dont give a **** if a ccp member enters my corp to test if the bug has been removed or whatevah
3rd bob guys in local vanting about how they can get ccp to do stuff for them is more like a joke (did u notice they name their ship DEVS, u forgot to mention that hard proof) then any proof at all
4th can i have your stuff guys?YARRRR!!
5th WTB cheap high sp chars!ugh
6th LOOsers bitter very much? LaughingLaughingLaughing
7th forums deteriorate evn more (i never thought that would be possible) with goons posting, can they pls go back to their own forums... pls...
You just possibly can't understand how this isn't just the "goonies" problems can you? Your pubbie hatred of us doesn't let you see a major problem that affects you just as much as it does us. You don't understand because you are a pinhead who lacks the ability to critically engage anything that doesnt include ******** forum smileys.Twisted EvilTwisted EvilTwisted Evil
Just wait till you are affected by corruption. Just wait till you send the petitions and make the threads only to have them ignored and deleted. Then come back to this thread and make the first informed post of your internet life.
Signed, THIS IS NOT JUST A GOONIE ISSUE. I think BoB and CCP should issue formal appologies. BoB needs to pay for their arrogance. (Oh and CHEATING) |
Obron Mettlo
Minmatar Black Omega Security GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: 1337tong
Can you step out of your BoB persona for a second and consider a few things? What else, when IA is implicated, petitions are deleted, valid posts are locked and erased, are we supposed to do? Write an evemail to the accused about how they themselves are accused of cheating? Give me a break.
When was the last time a dev/GM EVER had to join a corporation to fix a bugged POS? What's the point of being a GM if you have to join the corporation to resolve something a simple and buggy as POSs. Surely if this were common practice, we would have heard of a GM joining a corporation before considering POSs are consistently the buggest part of the game.
You don't find it at all suspicious that on top of all that, neither CEO of DS1 knew of any such bugged POS until it was brought up in this thread?
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KeratinBoy
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:31:00 -
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Dear CCP,
I realize that the publishing of Goonfleets open letter has caused your weekend to be ruined. Two days of non-work fun gone down the drain is depressing. However, the players of Eve would like some response addressing their concerns about the following:
1) The rigging of RP events. Why bother Rping if your contributions are going to be ignored if you are not from a favoured alliance? See also "railroading".
2) A Dev using his powers to join DS1, become a director, then leave, all in 20 minutes. Why did he not contact the relevant parties beforehand and why did he need to do it on the first place? What was he not able to do without joining the Corp?
3) The incident apparently leading to the banning of Raekhan. What did he do that required termination of his account?
I realise that you have been overwhelmed by the Threadnaught previous to this thread but censorship of ideas will lead to drastic responses, especially on the internet.
With all the current attention you have garnered over your behaviour, this would be an excellent time to show many, many people that you are capable of addressing their concerns in a transparent and thorough fashion.
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Mad Wasp
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:31:00 -
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banning people for posting the link http://goonfleet.com/open_letter_to_CCP.html is straight un called for and unessary, THis by no means a breach of the user liscense agreement. And banning people for 24 hours just because you don't like the infomation that has, and will continue to be posted, is BS!. cause guess what, we don't like the information either. If these accusations are even remotly true it is the responsibilty of the game develpers and staff to take legal and affirmative action against their employee's.
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Prall Grosserbauch
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:31:00 -
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Also can someone tell me who Aftermath Alliance are thx
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Adell Al'Tahlal
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:31:00 -
[224]
Spamming only occurs when CCP and forum moderators remove threads asking for genuine answers and discussion. When the topic at hand is blindly swept under the rug in hopes of hiding it from the public is when drastic measures need to be taken. Unfortunately things like this have a huge impact on the faith people as players put into the company in charge of running the game we all play as an outlet for entertainment, whatever form that may be you get from Eve. The topic brings up valid questions that ***ALL*** need to be answered, not moderated.
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Igus
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:32:00 -
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http://digg.com/pc_games/EVE_Creators_CCP_Under_Fire_Again_for_Alleged_Corruption_Open_Letter_Made
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Lady Branwen
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kata Amentis Edited by: Kata Amentis on 26/05/2007 00:24:19 so let me get this straight, after all the other problems, debacles and scandles... a member of ccp staff has interacted with players without communication... then they covered it up (tbh thats the only way ccp's reaction is going to be taken)...
have they not learnt yet that being open and completely honest is the only way they are going to dig themselves out of the hole they have dug for themselves?
humbly asking for us to believe them... do they seriously think anyone who has played recently is going to do that??
prove to us that things like this are getting sorted, that there is a zero tolerance policy for ccp staff messing with players... and maybe we will in the (far distant) future. But the mirror is broken. (that'd be trust for those not used to my analogies now they are in trouble for ages, see it does make sense)
As i haven't got the foggiest about any of the other event being discussed, thats the only bit i'm going to comment on..
Considering the past Kuang I'm sorry but your optimism seems a tad out of place m8.
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Marketcheck2
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:32:00 -
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Stoffer Ninjapirate
Amarr GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:32:00 -
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Pringlescan, don't forget that the corp the GM joined are pretty damn surprised, as they never asked for his assistance.
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perfeus
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:32:00 -
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Umm,
So let me get this straight. I am supposed to take it at someones word that they were an ISD member who uncovered a "super secret" conspiracy in which CCP would put their own real life jobs and company on the line in order to help an imaginary alliance in an online space game? And that when he "uncovered this truth" he was fired by the big bad corporation CCP. Sounds like a low rate hollywood movie to me.
And then "the goons" are going to try to force the issue by having a million alts post on various forums and in here?
I don't know much about BOB or all of this crap, but seriously, this is some of the dumbest crap to hit these forums. Give it a rest already
As for the GM entering a corp unexpected, yeah, I would agree that's crap and mishandled if in fact it was handled the way we are hearing that it was handled.
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Qece
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:32:00 -
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Originally by: General Windypops Edited by: General Windypops on 26/05/2007 00:01:24 Well I guess today is the day that Goons went too far, spammed the forums to the point they were taken offline and lost the credibility of the Eve community.
Pretty pathetic to try to debase an entire game with so many uncorped alts simply because of their desire to win a forum war.
If you read between the lines of the drama bomb there's not a shred of actual evidence whatsoever.
A sad day indeed. I just wish Goons could have conducted themselves with a bit more honour, instead of ruining the game for the entire eve community to further their own political ends.
Deliberately spoiling / derailing / spamming every single in game channel and legitimate thread on the forums was a step too far. Learn to respect your community, Goonswarm. If you want to be treated with credibility behave in a way that people respect, don't grief the game for innocent players.
Goonfleet is full with role-players. Shame for you that we all roleplay as useless, honourless****gots. This is not a signature. |
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ghosttr
Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:33:00 -
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Well, I will repost my thoughts on this matter. Hopefully the spam train will stop soon so some logical, unbiased discussion on the issue may occur.
Well i think it was handled incorrectly by both sides.
On Non-Anwsered Petitions
If CCP didn't respond to the petitions made (if any were made), then CCP was wrong. CCP should have acknowledged the petition, and handled any issues in a private matter. Petitions are the only way the playerbase has to resolve issues, if the petition system doesn't work, then the response is a non-public response by the player. After the issue went public then CCP was right for not answering petitions. (due to the bias of the original poster).
On a dev joining the corporation.
I don't think this is a real issue, devs should be able to move about freely to fix problems. The only problem i see here is that devs should have better tools so that they don't have to join a corporation to fix issues, or that there is no log that the dev joined or left the corp.
On any player claiming to know a developer.
Any player claiming to know a dev, or any player who impersonates a dev should be punished according to the eula. If a corp member in bob claimed to be able to know a dev, impersonated a dev, or anything similar to that.
That player should be banned if there is any evidence of this, any action taken that even suggests that any CCP staff may be involved should also be investigated. (like if a bob member claims that ccp is going to ban someone, if they do get banned, such action should be looked into)
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Shadow Elk
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:34:00 -
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Its wonderful to finally get to see the CCP/BoB spin live. I never seen anything like this befor. Its highly entertaining and impressive.
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Buttercup Sedai
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:34:00 -
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Congrats CCP, you made the front page of Digg.com! Tell your mom, I know she'll be proud.
http://www.digg.com/
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Jebe Noyon
Exotic Dancers Club Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:34:00 -
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If this whole crap comes out to be true how is CCP going to refund guys who were playing in aliances like ASCN and others who were pwned by CCP friends? Cuz I somehow think that paying equal amount of money and getting not equal chances might feel a person a bit robbed.
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Parsil
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:34:00 -
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Quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why can BoB summon Admiral CHarmarjarajhkjshdf to fire ISD at will?
Just curious, cause you know, it's pretty much the major issue here. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:34:00 -
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Mad Wasp
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:39:00 -
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i like how fast the pages are vanishing
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Mortecai
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:40:00 -
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CCP employees messed up again? Nothing new here. IA will conduct a little check and will find that IA did nothing wrong.
The moment there are petitions and forum threads deleted and no response from CCP things get fishy. And this is what you get CCP. Another fan-full of brown sticky/messy stuff to clean up.
And all you needed to to was to get a grip on your workers in this game. Guess you dont care/are not interested.
Have fun shoveling ...
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Fiendish Lo
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:40:00 -
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What's really sad is that because of CCP's past handling of misconduct, their word is worth less than that of corporations coming from the forum that made the term "Photoshop Friday" famous.
And for what it's worth, that's probably justified.
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PastaMadaFaka
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Posted - 2007.05.26 00:40:00 -
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well with all these posts arround i wana see what ccp is gona say about it?
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