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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Marquis Dean Wow, this took about 2 days too long to get this far.
It's a weekend. What do you expect.
Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Melworth
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Melworth on 28/05/2007 00:12:13
Originally by: CCP kieron The petition was submited on the 6th of May, Sharkbait acted on the 9th of May and the petition was successfuly closed a few days later. The question that you should be asking is why this became an issue with the corporation three weeks after their player submitted a petition.
I cancelled five accounts pending the outcome of this whole business, planning to re-up if it gets dealt with effectively or quit permanently if it doesn't.
I can tell you quite plainly that it will now take a lot more to make me resubscribe thanks to this snide and biased response from CCP's so-called "community manager". Your attitude to your customers is disgraceful and your in-game political leanings are clear.
Perhaps you are into micturation, because I can't see any other reason why you would expect me to enjoy paying $75 per month to get ****ed on from above. |
Aries Acheron
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:14:00 -
[93]
Kudos to a well made response. It seems about right, a buried Petition with the hundreds that must be made every day, a dev check to do stuff and so on.
Then three weeks later, somebody makes a drama bomb.
This issue really is satisfied as far as rationality takes it. A CEO or high ranking member of DS1 may have well forgotten something, or some low member may have made the outright and boldfaced claim that 'the petitions were deleted', sorta like the lie that CCP gave them the finger in local (which was a humorous screenshot, taken out of context, from 6 months ago).
It seems a lot of people on these boards won't be satisfied by any 'investigation'. They just want blood of the 'guilty'. If they exist or not, and intend to hurt this game's image with immediately bombasting the story on multiple internet news sites. ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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Toffles
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:15:00 -
[94]
Originally by: Thargat The issue was petitioned at may 6th. Fixed at may 9. Remedial stepped down from GS leadership on the 10th. And I remember reading somthing about the reason behind it somewhere on these forums (had to do with Remedial not wanting to be drawn into something that might put him in trouble IRL). Something smells fishy.....
Just my two cents of tinfoilhattery.
You either made up that stuff about remedial or you heard wrong. He was getting married that weekend. Between getting married and starting an intensive law internship he basically had zero time for eve.
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:16:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Melworth Edited by: Melworth on 28/05/2007 00:12:13
Originally by: CCP kieron The petition was submited on the 6th of May, Sharkbait acted on the 9th of May and the petition was successfuly closed a few days later. The question that you should be asking is why this became an issue with the corporation three weeks after their player submitted a petition.
I cancelled five accounts pending the outcome of this whole business, planning to re-up if it gets dealt with effectively or quit permanently if it doesn't.
I can tell you quite plainly that it will now take a lot more to make me resubscribe thanks to this snide and biased response from CCP's so-called "community manager". Your attitude to your customers is disgraceful and your in-game political leanings are clear.
Perhaps you are into micturation, because I can't see any other reason why you would expect me to enjoy paying $75 per month to get ****ed on from above.
Who cares if you cancel your accounts. People have been accusing all of CCP of various misconduct and you claim that he is being snide? You sir, are a fool. He was insulted long before he made that comment. Not to mention, what he said was not snide. He was telling you the blatant truth.
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Aries Acheron
Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:16:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Melworth Edited by: Melworth on 28/05/2007 00:12:13
Originally by: CCP kieron The petition was submited on the 6th of May, Sharkbait acted on the 9th of May and the petition was successfuly closed a few days later. The question that you should be asking is why this became an issue with the corporation three weeks after their player submitted a petition.
I cancelled five accounts pending the outcome of this whole business, planning to re-up if it gets dealt with effectively or quit permanently if it doesn't.
I can tell you quite plainly that it will now take a lot more to make me resubscribe thanks to this snide and biased response from CCP's so-called "community manager". Your attitude to your customers is disgraceful and your in-game political leanings are clear.
Perhaps you are into micturation, because I can't see any other reason why you would expect me to enjoy paying $75 per month to get ****ed on from above.
Hey pal. It's been 24 hours since the drama broke, on a SATURDAY. When people are out of office. What does one expect? If they say 'we investigated quickly, and found nothing', the tinfoilers will say 'CCP didn't investigate anything'. If it takes a week and CCP writes up a lengthy report, they'll say 'it was an elaborate cover-up'. ~~~
Action! Suspense! Jita! Eve Tribune
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Thargat
Caldari S-44 Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:17:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: Thargat The issue was petitioned at may 6th. Fixed at may 9. Remedial stepped down from GS leadership on the 10th. And I remember reading somthing about the reason behind it somewhere on these forums (had to do with Remedial not wanting to be drawn into something that might put him in trouble IRL). Something smells fishy.....
Just my two cents of tinfoilhattery.
You either made up that stuff about remedial or you heard wrong. He was getting married that weekend. Between getting married and starting an intensive law internship he basically had zero time for eve.
Well the post regarding his reasons to leave was quite clear. The other part was just someone claiming to know the real reason for it (wasn't me) =)
If you don't like what I say, just ignore it, or admit I got to you. |
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CCP kieron
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: ZeroForce also Kieron WAS a BoB member (possibly still) and DID either lie or be blatently blind about the whole T20 incident i personally think we should have a DIFFERENT communtiy manager for CCP
I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of any corporation that is a member of, directly or indirectly affiliated with BoB, or any other alliance. This was explained a long time ago in this forum post.
Originally by: OozoO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kieron, this post is somehow ******** and I dont think YOU should post such, you are totally involved in this Riekon, err ... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Regarding the involvement you are alluding to, this is something that transpired nearly 4 years ago. At launch, I was a volunteer, and another volunteer game me a CD key. I created an account, played it for a couple months, then received an offer to work for a competing company. I gave the account back to the person who gave me the cd key originally, the account later transfered to a different player. Both transfers were made long before the EULA was changed barring the transfer of account ownership.
When I accepted the EVE Community Manager position, I investigated the possibility of regaining the account, but the owner did not want to surrender the account. The Riekon character on that account is not a creation of mine.
kieron Community Manager, EVE Online, CCP Games Email/Netfang Look Ma, I'm in a Dev thread! Oh wait... |
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:19:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Aries Acheron
Originally by: Melworth Edited by: Melworth on 28/05/2007 00:12:13
Originally by: CCP kieron The petition was submited on the 6th of May, Sharkbait acted on the 9th of May and the petition was successfuly closed a few days later. The question that you should be asking is why this became an issue with the corporation three weeks after their player submitted a petition.
I cancelled five accounts pending the outcome of this whole business, planning to re-up if it gets dealt with effectively or quit permanently if it doesn't.
I can tell you quite plainly that it will now take a lot more to make me resubscribe thanks to this snide and biased response from CCP's so-called "community manager". Your attitude to your customers is disgraceful and your in-game political leanings are clear.
Perhaps you are into micturation, because I can't see any other reason why you would expect me to enjoy paying $75 per month to get ****ed on from above.
Hey pal. It's been 24 hours since the drama broke, on a SATURDAY. When people are out of office. What does one expect? If they say 'we investigated quickly, and found nothing', the tinfoilers will say 'CCP didn't investigate anything'. If it takes a week and CCP writes up a lengthy report, they'll say 'it was an elaborate cover-up'.
I love you :')
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Ciras Shelby
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:19:00 -
[100]
Originally by: ZeroForce as another note according to legal laws this game is a "sandbox" meaning this is a open ended and completely level playing field....i hope CCP realises if they fail to resolve this issue people ARE able to take legal action through their respective credit card companies
An option that's already crossed my mind.
CCP might be in a foreign country but my credit card isn't. And, you don't need a lawyer to file a fraud claim with a credit card company.
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:20:00 -
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Edited by: Moving Along on 28/05/2007 00:22:18
Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: ZeroForce also Kieron WAS a BoB member (possibly still) and DID either lie or be blatently blind about the whole T20 incident i personally think we should have a DIFFERENT communtiy manager for CCP
I am not, nor have I ever been, a member of any corporation that is a member of, directly or indirectly affiliated with BoB, or any other alliance. This was explained a long time ago in this forum post.
Originally by: OozoO -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kieron, this post is somehow ******** and I dont think YOU should post such, you are totally involved in this Riekon, err ... --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Regarding the involvement you are alluding to, this is something that transpired nearly 4 years ago. At launch, I was a volunteer, and another volunteer game me a CD key. I created an account, played it for a couple months, then received an offer to work for a competing company. I gave the account back to the person who gave me the cd key originally, the account later transfered to a different player. Both transfers were made long before the EULA was changed barring the transfer of account ownership.
When I accepted the EVE Community Manager position, I investigated the possibility of regaining the account, but the owner did not want to surrender the account. The Riekon character on that account is not a creation of mine.
I love you too :') <3
Originally by: ZeroForce proof BoB have admitted such things themselves in their posts THERE'S my proof. the BoB forum brigade needs to back off and shut up this WONT be stopped by your mindless smack talk
*claps* Thank you for showing your ignorance to the Eve community. Please contribute to these discussions civilly next time.
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Crux Australis
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:22:00 -
[102]
Ahhahahhahahhahahaha !!!
Owwwwwneeedddd innnnn daaaaa faaaaace !!!!!
Originally by: Tuxford Sure play gallente and caldari if you like, just don't be upset when I waste your ass in a hurricane.
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ZeroForce
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:30:00 -
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Originally by: Moving Along
Originally by: ZeroForce yes its funny how a member of CCP took interest in regaining an account that was part of bob? maybe he never gave it away in the first place....no logs were taken as it was before the EULA changed and CCP took charge of character transfers...all you've given us is your words kieron, which since the T20 incident, MEANS NOTHING.
the T20 incident was an attempted cover up just as this is
Stop with your baseless theories. You are a mindless troll.
ok you need to shut up m8....where is your argument? do you have a side? or are you just flaming people who post here? YOUR the forum troll so shush child.
My arguments are well based.....take for example a spot in general law....a child molester is not allowed to work in a nursery for exmaple...you fool once a liar always a liar change of the CCP staff is needed unless they decide to actually make a difference instead of sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for this to resolve while people are getting hold of their credit card companies claiming FRAUD in this game as they are legally obliged to do as this game has been proven not to be a "sandbox" meaning an open ended game so i hope CCP can sort this out
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Malloc Memrel
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:33:00 -
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So, the answer seems fairly pat, which is good. But it begs the followup question of why no attempts at communication were made in the first place? Why wouldn't Sharkbait let the CEO of the company he was insinuating himself into- at the highest level, no less- know what he was doing? And why were subsequent attempts at clarification not responded to? You've asserted it is impossible for petitions to be deleted, so the only conclusion one can draw from that is that the petition either never existed in the first place, meaning the Darkstar 1 CEO is a liar, or the petition was filed and was subsequently ignored.
I cannot understand the corporate-level policy that would ever let a situation like this even exist in the first place. Are there no tools to allow Developers to do their work invisibly? Why would sharkbait's personal character be used for such an operation? Why would a CEO's query into the actions of another player (With developer access, no less) be casually dismissed?
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Teldan Powers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: ZeroForce a child molester is not allowed to work in a nursery for exmaple...you fool once a liar always a liar change of the CCP staff is needed unless they decide to actually make a difference instead of sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for this to resolve while people are getting hold of their credit card companies claiming FRAUD in this game as they are legally obliged to do as this game has been proven not to be a "sandbox" meaning an open ended game so i hope CCP can sort this out
Comparing child sexual abuse to internet spaceships is a bit over-the-top. You're some kind of troll who's trying to discredit the side you purport to speak for, aren't you?
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phillie blunt
State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:38:00 -
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so the goons lied? not a surprise tbh
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ZeroForce
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:40:00 -
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Originally by: Teldan Powers
Originally by: ZeroForce a child molester is not allowed to work in a nursery for exmaple...you fool once a liar always a liar change of the CCP staff is needed unless they decide to actually make a difference instead of sitting around twiddling their thumbs waiting for this to resolve while people are getting hold of their credit card companies claiming FRAUD in this game as they are legally obliged to do as this game has been proven not to be a "sandbox" meaning an open ended game so i hope CCP can sort this out
Comparing child sexual abuse to internet spaceships is a bit over-the-top. You're some kind of troll who's trying to discredit the side you purport to speak for, aren't you?
wrong yet again i was comparing the situations....on another level and much less extreme one what happens when you take money from the till in the supermarket you work for and get found out? its against company policy therefore dismissal
on a EVEN MORE level comparison in ANY OTHER MMORPG any GM/Dev who abuses his/her power is immediately dismissed without question....not only that these incidents are always found out rather quickly meaning they dont take 6 MONTHS after which a community manager says nothing happened only to have the culprit HIMSELF come forward.
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Popsikle
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Orst Rhaellia Edited by: Orst Rhaellia on 28/05/2007 00:28:55 Two comments: 1) When in ASCN i remember one of the devs (?sharkbait) ALSO joining our corp and assinging roles for the right reasons. we had posted about a bugged POS and he was fixing said POS. However he DID ask permission first. I even have a screen shot somewhere of him being in my Corp in his Polaris frig :)
2) My beef on this: I dont care (sorry Pyrex) whether he DID do something or not. thats going to either be covered up (which seems to be the normal routine) or wont have actually happened. Several goon members are forum banned, appropriatly, for forum spamming. But WHY were they forced to go threadnaught on the forums? Because every post, LIKE with the t20 situation would disapear instantly. I raised my issue with this then, i emailed CCP on this issue twice, both times with the same response, essentially if its "bad for the community" we can delete it.
I personally created at least 2 seperate threads on the issue of "disappearing threads" during the t20. both deleted instantly.
THIS is MY beef: If you claim that you are all for openness and honesty and IA is actually going to work, WHY does it take a threadnaught response to ACTUALLY get something admitted or investigated. That is not only unreasonable, it also potentially shows a bias! If you (CM, GM, Dev Et al.) were for example in RL; someone stole **** from you through corporate theft, you went to the police, fbi etc etc (whatever country your in)...and they tore up the formal complaint form in front of your eyes...how would you feel!?
Basically; go a LITTLE easier on topics such as this. concentrating it to a single thread, fine...Deleting ALL threads (the single thread was created LATE in the incident after Threadnaught had been in full swing)...NOT fine. I personally dont like it. I know Goons clearly didnt...nor did the community.... Think guys.,...Seriously THINK whether clicking that little delete button is going to be BENEFICIAL or not!
-Orst (it should say ARS D on it..will fix my posting)
Edit 2: DS1 and ARS D are both GS flagged but for various reasons. I would hardly say any of us are "Frig crazy"....we were both absent for said tactics. Infact to my knowledge, ds1 pilots ALMOST never fly anything smaller than a BS!
Did anyone from GS try the appropriate method? Emailing IA department first? Everyone knows that CCP tend to be a bit draconic when it comes to moderation of the forums, but everyone should also know (at least by now) that if you think a dev/mod/gm is up to no good to email [email protected] or whatever the email addy is...
I dont want to hear boo about why the THREADNAUGHT and the spamming was needed unless someone emailed IA first and didnt get an appropriate answer.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:43:00 -
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Originally by: Crux Australis Ahhahahhahahhahahaha !!!
Owwwwwneeedddd innnnn daaaaa faaaaace !!!!!
So, you threw 50 serious insults in another thread, saying you don't care if you get banned - and you are actually NOT banned?
And people were getting banned for much much less?
Thank you CCP. I think you don't need to bother anymore, we're getting the picture.
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:44:00 -
[110]
Ignoring some of the more rediculous theories and tediously biased opinions from both sides for a moment.
This particular issue could have been sorted very simply. Telling DS1 what was happening, answering them when they asked why it happened, talking to them at least once while it was being investigated.
Blanket censorship is what brought this on and nothing else. The first time it happened turned up spawned BPO's, can you really blame everyone for being suspicious when history starts to repeat itself?
Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Susan Acid
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:44:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Popsikle
Originally by: Gilbert Drillerson By talking to all our directors we have been unable to find anyone owning up to a petition from May 6. If it wouldnt be too much to ask, I would humbly ask that CCP makes a contact to our formal CEO character and reveal to him what the petition was about and who made it.
As it is right now, we have NO way of confirming this and no knowledge of any petition filed may 6. It may very well be a true story as we have almost 200 members, but given the amount of drama around this issue, I think we should follow through and get all the mystery revealed.
Gil CO-CEO Darkstar 1
It could be anyone of your members, or anyone of the other 180,000 accounts that play this game. Someone could have noticed your POS shields werent active but couldn't enter the POS, or someone could have been complaining they cant shoot the POS, or hell it might not even be POS related. Someone might have been complaining they tried to apply and got an error or soemthing, who know really.
If they release that information to you they are breaking their privacy policy. And thats bad.
So a GM can join any Corp he likes.Whenever he likes.Assign himself any roles he likes.And he doesn't have to tell anybody why he did it?Even the CEO? That's nice.
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Mahahahasdsa
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:45:00 -
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Edited by: Mahahahasdsa on 28/05/2007 00:44:51
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Orst Rhaellia
Caldari Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:46:00 -
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Cause im a nub
Sharkbait doing his job
From my earlier post about 10 go.
He is actually DOING his job legitamitly....my question is; why he did it then so properly...yet this time he didnt notify anyone. then he d
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Crux Australis
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:49:00 -
[114]
Edited by: Crux Australis on 28/05/2007 00:48:07
Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Crux Australis Ahhahahhahahhahahaha !!!
Owwwwwneeedddd innnnn daaaaa faaaaace !!!!!
So, you threw 50 serious insults in another thread, saying you don't care if you get banned - and you are actually NOT banned?
And people were getting banned for much much less?
Thank you CCP. I think you don't need to bother anymore, we're getting the picture.
Petition me, you know where the button is.
Bai bai !
Ah no, it is rigged as well !!!!!
Originally by: Tuxford Sure play gallente and caldari if you like, just don't be upset when I waste your ass in a hurricane.
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Shivalla
Gallente Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:52:00 -
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Originally by: Orst Rhaellia Cause im a nub
Sharkbait doing his job
From my earlier post about 10 go.
He is actually DOING his job legitamitly....my question is; why he did it then so properly...yet this time he didnt notify anyone. then he d
Can you please tell me what it says. I cannot seem to see properly.
AND: If this is how it was done. Goons should kick DS1 out of the fricking Alliance for making this kind of crap happen.
The whole community was shocked, and for what? A blatant lies about petitions deleted and it all boils down to a ISD getting booted, as it seems it was a friend of goons, and was bumping dreads in polaris frig, and wouldnt leave (which he should when asked) from system when asked, and then he got FIRED, and started his OWN mission against CCP, claiming CCP has events rigged etc...
AMAZING JOB DS1!
Totally.
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Ciras Shelby
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:53:00 -
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I've never seen anything like this mess in any MMO I've ever played.
There is a way to keep these things from EVER happening.
Devs simply should never, ever, intermingle with the player base. Period.
And now you have everyone in an uproar except members of BoB who, of course, naturally desire to keep the status quo and CCP who must find a way to rebuild an already damaged reputation.
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Marcus TheDealer
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
Originally by: Fofalus Also the response to the deleted petition a separate issue or is just being buried with this one?
It is not possible for a GM or Developer to delete petitions. Those tools quite simply, do not exist. Claims of petitions being deleted are therefore utter fabrication and completely groundless.
Strange - is Sharkbait a Database Administrator Kieron? If so, a database administrator can delete a petition if it is the database - correct? So I do believe your statement as a GM or Developer is correct but a database administrator can so you last part is false. There are built in tools to delete stuff in the database so you are making a fabrication.
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ZeroForce
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:57:00 -
[118]
probably both
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Phrixus Zephyr
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Shivalla The whole community was shocked, and for what? A blatant lies about petitions deleted and it all boils down to a ISD getting booted, as it seems it was a friend of goons, and was bumping dreads in polaris frig, and wouldnt leave (which he should when asked) from system when asked, and then he got FIRED, and started his OWN mission against CCP, claiming CCP has events rigged etc...
AMAZING JOB DS1!
Totally.
Wow, i don't think I've seen such an incredibly warped view of the events yet.
Some of the accusation on here are rediculous but that is so twisted i feel compelled to post again.
Originally by: Benglada And whos going to tackle for them? Jesus?
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Fdjhbsasgfdsdfgfdsrethbg
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Posted - 2007.05.28 00:59:00 -
[120]
I find it hard to believe that such basic functionality like deleting petitions/removing petitions from a support queue don't exist in the eve backend.
But given all the other dodgey stuff in here lately, I guess it's possible.
So what we have here is a Bob alt spy petitioned something because he couldn't cause mischief he intended, and his CCP pal came in and fixed it for him.
Nice.
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