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Robert Denby
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Posted - 2007.05.28 01:52:00 -
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Originally by: Moving Along
Originally by: Robert Denby
Originally by: FlamingErictilePhaillicy Why is there no sticky regarding bob contacts to devs high up via msn?.......
This, to me, is the main allegation. Why does BoB get to circumvent the petition system?
Let's face it, sometimes the petitions are like getting Dell tech support in India. "Chandler" isn't the brightest bulb on the tree. I've seen petitions take over a month to resolve. Just imagine, IM for petition support. What a wonderful world it would be.
They aren't circumventing it. They have been (from what I have heard, please correct me if I'm wrong) able to accelerate petitions.
What the hell does that even mean? If they can go outside the petition system to "accelerate" them, then they are circumventing the system that the rest of us have to use.
It doesn't sound like they even had a petition in this case, they just *****ed and got their way.
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 01:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kreul Intentions FYI - Stay on the topic of this post, or refrain from posting. If you are wondering where your post went, it has been removed. I also removed posts that quoted any other post that was snipped.
Thank you.
THANK YOU. Will you have my babies? Seriously though. Glad to see it was cleaned up.
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 01:59:00 -
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Originally by: Hsin CCP denying everything and trying to cover stuff up?
What a shock. Note that it's the community manager (i.e. bagdad bob) instead of IA posting this. What a suprise (not).
Trolling == bad mmkay?
Make civilized posts or leave. Do you have something to say? Or do you prefer to sit there and whine without making any point or asking any question that is truly relevant to the subject matter of the OP.
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Jonas Vance
Orion's Nebula
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:00:00 -
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Originally by: Moving Along
Originally by: Hsin CCP denying everything and trying to cover stuff up?
What a shock. Note that it's the community manager (i.e. bagdad bob) instead of IA posting this. What a suprise (not).
Trolling == bad mmkay?
Make civilized posts or leave. Do you have something to say? Or do you prefer to sit there and whine without making any point or asking any question that is truly relevant to the subject matter of the OP.
I believe I made pretty much the same humorous assumption that this was not posted by IA, and that does seem relevant... |
Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:02:00 -
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Originally by: Jonas Vance
Originally by: Moving Along
Originally by: Hsin CCP denying everything and trying to cover stuff up?
What a shock. Note that it's the community manager (i.e. bagdad bob) instead of IA posting this. What a suprise (not).
Trolling == bad mmkay?
Make civilized posts or leave. Do you have something to say? Or do you prefer to sit there and whine without making any point or asking any question that is truly relevant to the subject matter of the OP.
I believe I made pretty much the same humorous assumption that this was not posted by IA, and that does seem relevant...
Your's was humorous. His was just trolling. He also dropped in his conspiracy theory.
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Jonas Vance
Orion's Nebula
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:10:00 -
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Originally by: Moving Along
Your's was humorous and did make an interesting point. His was just trolling. He also dropped in his conspiracy theory.
I don't care if kieron or Arkanon made the OP. Does it truly matter (Serious question btw)? They DO communicate with each other. Arkanon also has another job to perform right now (ie. investigating some other theory that the forum crazies want investigated).
Yeah, I agree, bit of the evil troll in that post there.
It really does matter, if CCP would like to maintain the distinction between IA and the rest of them. IA needs to be an unbiased 3rd party that investigates these matters. What if Kieron isn't representing the IA teams findings correctly.
If a company gets audited, it is by a third party that has no bias with the company. If a representive from the company comes out and claims "This is what the third party auditors found", and that's not the case, that is a severe breach of protocol. If the audit firm comes out and says something different, well that looks quite bad for said company.
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frappo
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:12:00 -
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i know of several times ccp steped in to mess with the game ie ccp messing wiht lv pos makin them there space because ccp took it on them selfs to make players lose space or that ccp has been involved giving bob several t2bpos and other stuff and some players geting there ships back and some not because the space was laged out and every one on lv side lost ships and goons didnt may i go on and on but u wont ever find it in ur documents that ccp ****** up and they just dont wanna say they did but hay u guys suck
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Jonas Vance
Originally by: Moving Along
Your's was humorous and did make an interesting point. His was just trolling. He also dropped in his conspiracy theory.
I don't care if kieron or Arkanon made the OP. Does it truly matter (Serious question btw)? They DO communicate with each other. Arkanon also has another job to perform right now (ie. investigating some other theory that the forum crazies want investigated).
Yeah, I agree, bit of the evil troll in that post there.
It really does matter, if CCP would like to maintain the distinction between IA and the rest of them. IA needs to be an unbiased 3rd party that investigates these matters. What if Kieron isn't representing the IA teams findings correctly.
If a company gets audited, it is by a third party that has no bias with the company. If a representive from the company comes out and claims "This is what the third party auditors found", and that's not the case, that is a severe breach of protocol. If the audit firm comes out and says something different, well that looks quite bad for said company.
I understand your views here. However, kieron is the community manager. I would consider him to be on the same unbiased 3rd-party level as the IA team. Maybe that's just me. *shrugs* I, for one, trust kieron's representation.
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arghy steelwill
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:13:00 -
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I personally dont RP but comeing from a 0.0 pvpers point of view i'm seeing an alliance im fighting getting free equipment for apparently just partcipating in an RP event. You have just stated that one side gets chosen to win, so i'm fighting and liveing in 0.0 the standard way while my enemy says a few lines and gets free faction gear that instantly appears on the front lines.
Are you saying that this is ok and i also have to RP to get freebies?(im sure this wont be biased). The prime example is the MS event with LV, that in NO WAY needed to happen yet it did and it was insanely sketchy(LV was pretty much the only entity that was close by). If you are going to be giveing absurd rewards away without work being put into them i'm going to have to protest as you are human and prone to favorites.
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Velthandi
Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: Overdone
Originally by: CCP kieron
In short, it simply gives CCP the option of deciding which direction to move EVEÆs Prime Fiction at the end of the arc or to allow unfolding events to determine what is to follow. The claims of CCP rigging events to benefit a player, corporation or alliance are groundless.
This is interesting the first sentence disproves the second and vice versa.
No it doesn't, for two reasons.
1) The rigging in question has nothing to do with purposefully benefitting a player, corporation or alliance. Instead it is a matter of which NPC faction will win the battle. The people who chose the wrong side will be disadvantaged, but there is no one being targetted specificially. Its more like a lottery where the winning numbers are decided before anyone buys tickets, and that would only be a problem if someone buying tickets knows the winning numbers.
2) The writer of the document in question was offering to rig the event for CCP. The way the exert is written, indicates that the person is not CCP. The addition is nothing more than saying: "Do you want us to rig the event in any particular direction?" At this point there is no evidence of CCP saying "yes".
Of course, it doesn't answer the other supporting material in the Open Letter, such as Actors self-destructing ships. However, I doubt this can be answered, as the Open Letter failed to give any actual examples of when this happened, instead it merely mentions it in passing. Without that information, CCP can't explain what happened, or investigate for misconduct/bugs on the part of the Actor.
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Aegieal
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:13:00 -
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Originally by: FlamingErictilePhaillicy Why is there no sticky regarding bob contacts to devs high up via msn?.......
So if i know a dev in real life, and an ISD member breaks the rules in game, and call him up on the phone to ask for help, what is wrong with that?
So if i know a police officer in real life, and I see a cop break the law, and I call my cop friend up on the phone to ask for help, what is wrong with that?
I fail to see the point of the "OMG A BOB GUY KNOWS A DEV!!" arguement. I'm sure they know the difference between a game and their job. I'm not going to sit here and say I don't know anyone involved in the behind the scenes in this game, be it ISD, devs, whatever. But that doesn't mean I ask them for favors or special help, of if they offered me something of the sort that I would accept it. Infact, I pretty much just ignore it, they are just another player as far as I'm concerned, and I understand that they want to play their game. How else are they going to get a feel for what the players want or what they are talking about if they don't play it themselves? Plus, maybe they enjoy playing it???
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: frappo i know of several times ccp steped in to mess with the game ie ccp messing wiht lv pos makin them there space because ccp took it on them selfs to make players lose space or that ccp has been involved giving bob several t2bpos and other stuff and some players geting there ships back and some not because the space was laged out and every one on lv side lost ships and goons didnt may i go on and on but u wont ever find it in ur documents that ccp ****** up and they just dont wanna say they did but hay u guys suck
You are sooooo wrong on almost every point you just tried to make. Please use punctuation next time as well.
If you would like clarification on the errors you made, please repost in a more readable format... No offense.
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: arghy steelwill I personally dont RP but comeing from a 0.0 pvpers point of view i'm seeing an alliance im fighting getting free equipment for apparently just partcipating in an RP event. You have just stated that one side gets chosen to win, so i'm fighting and liveing in 0.0 the standard way while my enemy says a few lines and gets free faction gear that instantly appears on the front lines.
Are you saying that this is ok and i also have to RP to get freebies?(im sure this wont be biased). The prime example is the MS event with LV, that in NO WAY needed to happen yet it did and it was insanely sketchy(LV was pretty much the only entity that was close by). If you are going to be giveing absurd rewards away without work being put into them i'm going to have to protest as you are human and prone to favorites.
Please read the post directly below this one you made. You misunderstood the OP. The one under yours clarifies.
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Lord Darous
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Darous on 28/05/2007 02:17:01 I would definitely like to see some information regarding any players having any sort of direct access or line of communication with developers, storyline staff, or otherwise. The mere idea that a player knows game masters, game developers, or otherwise -- and know of their status as such -- is a blatant disregard to the rules laid down by the development team at launch, that spoke of being completely invisible to the public's eye, as far as their position is concerned.
This needs immediate remedy or CCP needs to start looking for new staff members.
This has piqued my interest.
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Belgarison
Minmatar Typo Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:18:00 -
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hey guys. i'm not big in the roleplay thing of this, and i know i havnt played near as long as most of you have, but this is the way i've come to see it.
Roleplay is always going to go in the direction the creators want it to. People claim rigging, people claim sabatodge, but what it comes down to is, what other game gives what Eve does, or is even remotely structured to Eve. None. so, rigged or not.. here we are, along for the ride and adapting to our enviorment.
People are going to Cheat!!.. i've read alot of threads about the whole Bob thing, not that it really matters. so what, Bob has admin's in their back pocket, and petitions get deleted. i filled a potition about 0.7 rats doing over 1,000 damage, and was told to sit on it. If you dont like the results, then just deal with it. When Bob has all of 0.0, or whoever the Dev's are running with, the'll want Empire. after they elimitate all the oposition, maybe, just maybe, the'll turn on each other!. of course that would never happen in a fine, rolemodeling corp like Bob, who never pirate, who give people an opertunity to serve in their ways and what not. once again, we adapt. dont like the whole 0.0 politics, dont go into 0.0. simple as that.
and this concludes my thoughts. i like Eve-Online cause it lets you progress, and just like in any game.. there is a limit. for some its roleplay, for others its 0.0 access. just enjoy the game and quit getting all hiped up over politics. Politicians cheat and lie, we ellect them into roles that control our lives. What's new?
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Darous I would definitely like to see some information regarding any players having any sort of direct access or line of communication with developers, storyline staff, or otherwise. The mere idea that a player knows game masters, game developers, or otherwise -- and know of their status as such -- is a blantant disregard to the rules laid down by the development team at launch, that spoke of being completely invisible to the public's eye, as far as their position is concerned.
This needs immediate remedy or CCP needs to start looking for new staff members.
This has piqued my interest.
That's not fair for the lives that the employees have outside of work. The ONLY thing that needs to be addressed is possible favoritism. Not the fact that they have contact.
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Astarte Nosferatu
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:19:00 -
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Originally by: Aegieal
So if i know a dev in real life, and an ISD member breaks the rules in game, and call him up on the phone to ask for help, what is wrong with that?
Only the ISD member didn't break any rules that would caused him to be immidiately removed from his ISD position. Only accusation towards Graelyn (the ISD member) is that he bumped a dread with a frigate while said dread was in siege mode. Frigs don't have enough mass to seriously bump a dread, and dreads in siege mode can't move, period.
Originally by: Aegieal
So if i know a police officer in real life, and I see a cop break the law, and I call my cop friend up on the phone to ask for help, what is wrong with that?
More like you commit offences and you get away with it cause you know some cops.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
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Iuris Proeliator
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:20:00 -
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Regardless of the results, here's the problems CCP needs to address:
A) In the other accusation, there were petitions deleted without a response. There should have been a response of "This is under investigation. Please await further results."
B) CCP promotes that RP organizations influence the future of the game, but then admits to guiding the storyline.
While I'm not against that entirely, as it's basically the position of DM within a game, you need to be up front about that. There should be no illusions. "You guys have a large effect on the direction/outcome of the storyline, but we reserve the right to stack things a bit if we feel that it's the best way for the storyline to go."
This is a reality ANY RP'er knows about and should be aware of. The DM is god, and directs their path. They choose how to go about it.
In other words, CCP, be up front from the beginning. Deleting petitions and half-contradictory statements just make people distrust you more.
You also have NOT addressed BoB's comments about having that kind of intimate Dev contact directly. At the very least, any player who's throwing around statements suggesting that they have a Dev "on call" should be disciplined by CCP. Even if it's not what the allegations hold, those kinds of statements are disruptive to the overall community and can cause a LOT of damage.
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Flaming Lemming
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:21:00 -
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Originally by: Velthandi
Originally by: Overdone
Originally by: CCP kieron
In short, it simply gives CCP the option of deciding which direction to move EVEÆs Prime Fiction at the end of the arc or to allow unfolding events to determine what is to follow. The claims of CCP rigging events to benefit a player, corporation or alliance are groundless.
This is interesting the first sentence disproves the second and vice versa.
1) The rigging in question has nothing to do with purposefully benefitting a player, corporation or alliance. Instead it is a matter of which NPC faction will win the battle. The people who chose the wrong side will be disadvantaged, but there is no one being targetted specificially. Its more like a lottery where the winning numbers are decided before anyone buys tickets, and that would only be a problem if someone buying tickets knows the winning numbers.
MSN chat :
Bobbite : So who's gonna win the RP Event? CCP 'friend' : XXXX side will win. Bobbite : Cool, I know which side I'm fighting on now! Thanks!
I'm not saying that this happened this way, but isn't it sad that my (and a few/some/many others) faith is so low, that it's even sen as a realistic possibility?
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Astarte Nosferatu
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:26:00 -
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Besides, why would people even bother to RP and fight for a faction, invest hundreds if not thousands of Dollar/Euro/whatever curreny and thousands of hours in ships and equipment if your faction is going to lose no matter what you do?
Like when the Blood Raider symphatisers fought daily skirmishes and battles against the Amarr loyalists, and in the middle of the war CCP announces the Blood Raiders lose and move the stations/agents to BoB space? Certain BoB members even got +9.99 standing with the Blood Raider agents so they wouldn't have to do missions to get the juicy goods (Bhaalgorns, Ashimmu's, Cruors, some of the more rare and more expensive faction ships).
It makes no sense fighting for something if you know you are going to lose, no matter what.
Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
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Rex Mundus
League of Gentlemen
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:27:00 -
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With respect I think you've missed the point Kieron.
Allegations are never going to go away from Aurora for one simple reason - it's totally unprovable. If someone reads the plans for an event which drops something nice, how can you ever prove that someone who was in the right place at the right time received a tip off? People have friends in many corps and alliances, such a person would not necessarily give the tip to his corp mate, it could be any mate in any corporation or alliance - in which case how could anyone know or prove it other than some guy happened to be in the right place at the right time? (which of course is in itself inconclusive). Rather than deal with each issue that crops up I think it would be better to tackle the source of the problem. I think it'd be fairer on the guys and gals who work hard for Aurora trying to flesh out the backstory and make things more interesting for the roleplayers as I'm the majority don't partake in such activities, but the problem is it only takes one and even if you were sure it was going on you wouldn't be able to identify the culprit or prove it.
On a wider view it's a similar problem with BoB and the other accusations.
While you have an undefeatable juggernaut alliance destroying others with incredible ease it's just hard for the general public to accept that there isn't something odd going on.
Look it at this way, if you were to explain to someone who knows nothing about Eve that you play a game where there is an alliance known for it's developer and GM connections that has been in the most large scale battles yet unlike all it's opponents has never once drawn the short straw and been lagged to death - lag being a random occurence that if it were easily predictable would surely be fixed. If you were to explain that this same alliance was unable to find even a close match for it's abilities, all opponents no matter how experienced or long they had been going disintergrated on almost instant contact with the juggernaut. Would you seriously expect them to think there was nothing out of the ordinary? Would you even invite them to look at the COAD forum where Character Assassination is par the course as part of the out of game battle?
Maybe BoB is comprised of purely extraordinary human beings, I don't know. But if they were I'd have thought they'd have quit by now as they live for PvP and they will not find even a remote challenge on this server. ASCN fell in a few months and was a pathetic challenge, the coalition is even weaker - being heavily defeated is a good day for them as they've had worse. As the coalition is comprised of the majority of alliances not allied to BoB then there really isn't anyone else left afterwards is there? There's not even one single FC not in BoB able to even put up a fight, kind of odd in itself considering the number of people we're talking about - statistically challenging would be an understatement.
Personally I think someone not connected to Eve would find it a little hard to swallow and would start asking exactly what these Developer/GM connections are. Would you honestly expect them to believe it all without question?
That said I can't prove anything about the situation is out of the ordinary even if does defy logic so as per Internet law I'll just STFU now.
Rex.
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Jonas Vance
Orion's Nebula
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:28:00 -
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So we still have yet to address the whole reason Graelyn was canned. This is just about whether the event was rigged in the first place? That seems the minor issue compared to the first. |
Velthandi
Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: arghy steelwill I personally dont RP but comeing from a 0.0 pvpers point of view i'm seeing an alliance im fighting getting free equipment for apparently just partcipating in an RP event. You have just stated that one side gets chosen to win, so i'm fighting and liveing in 0.0 the standard way while my enemy says a few lines and gets free faction gear that instantly appears on the front lines.
Are you saying that this is ok and i also have to RP to get freebies?(im sure this wont be biased). The prime example is the MS event with LV, that in NO WAY needed to happen yet it did and it was insanely sketchy(LV was pretty much the only entity that was close by). If you are going to be giveing absurd rewards away without work being put into them i'm going to have to protest as you are human and prone to favorites.
I'm afraid I don't know the event your referring to, but I will say this.
It is highly unlikely that the people holding the event thought, even slightly, "well, lets hold this event in LV space". More likely, the event was planned in advance, placed in that region either randomly or for story reasons, and a time was chosen. The event then occurred as planned.
Anyone could have been in that area. Could have been a group heading in to attack LV, that decided to stop to RP on the way, or just someone passing through.
More to the point, if it had been you and your friends that had responded to the event, would you be complaining?
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Aegieal
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Astarte Nosferatu
Originally by: Aegieal
So if i know a dev in real life, and an ISD member breaks the rules in game, and call him up on the phone to ask for help, what is wrong with that?
Only the ISD member didn't break any rules that would caused him to be immidiately removed from his ISD position. Only accusation towards Graelyn (the ISD member) is that he bumped a dread with a frigate while said dread was in siege mode. Frigs don't have enough mass to seriously bump a dread, and dreads in siege mode can't move, period.
if you read the letter you would know the dreads were in position ready to jump NOT in siege mode, and he says it himself that he came in 1 foot from the dread. sounds like a disgruntled ISD member to me, and that there is a lot more to this story then CCP wants to release, even though said information would probably help their position in the public view. They wouldn't cut a guy off like that for no reason. This may be a game to us, but to this former ISD guy who puts this stuff on his resume, it's his life. class act by ccp tbho.
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Mordrake
MetaForge Ekliptika
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:31:00 -
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A Quote from an anonymous informant on the Threadnaught detailing the earliest alleged event "Rigging" that I know of. Back when some CCP Staffers were helping to run the Stain Alliance with their characters. (it is implied by his statements that the CCP staffers from mOo had split into the Stain and Curse alliances at this time before joining up again under the BOB banner)
Begin Quote:
(Stain Alliance). The Hand of this alliance wasnt too silent and stealthy. They even killed some Jovian admiral that dropped an item called Miner V "Nibelung". Yes, V is for 5. FIVE. He was a main figure in the event that was planned for explaining of how this item got into EVE. But admiral got lost 50 jumps away from his target system and was ganked. Noob :P
Are you sure that it was the only such item in EVE? Think twice. Everyone that was accepted into SA received a gift - fully fitted battleship. Well, that lasere was soon traded-in for Miner II BPC. A very, very worthy item. I bet noone knew about Techell corporation before they received a Miner II BPO for their "great sucess in production and science sphere". Online database of items that Taggart Transdimensional had looks even more strange. There were info's of ALL devices, through to tech level 5 (five) ones. They did a long way to kill the Jovian guy too. From their home region Venal to Stain, to assist MASS in the "event". But the superiors of this alliance soon abandoned SA, so they could focus on other, more interest people.
End Quote
So this implies CCP staff rigging events since just after the banning of mOo... quite a streach of time.
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Sentinel Eeex
Caldari Lords Of Amber
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:40:00 -
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Originally by: Aegieal
So if i know a dev in real life, and an ISD member breaks the rules in game, and call him up on the phone to ask for help, what is wrong with that?
Please, tell me just one thing:
WHICH rule did he break?
I spent some time and found rules on this website. Did you? Do you have any idea what rule he has broken?
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Velthandi
Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Flaming Lemming
MSN chat :
Bobbite : So who's gonna win the RP Event? CCP 'friend' : XXXX side will win. Bobbite : Cool, I know which side I'm fighting on now! Thanks!
I'm not saying that this happened this way, but isn't it sad that my (and a few/some/many others) faith is so low, that it's even sen as a realistic possibility?
I did concede that possiblity it is only when this occurs that there is a problem. In a lottery it doesn't matter if the wheel is spun before or after you choose, you still statistically have the same chance of choosing the winning number, as long as you don't know the result.
But, that doesn't make it fair to the RP community, and I didn't mean to condone it happening, I was just saying that in this instance, the rigging wasn't targetting specific players, but story direction.
Not that rigging the story is fair to the RP community. The story isn't a lottery. Either the players should only be able to help the "winning" side, or as someone else said, people should at least be warned that the outcoem to the story is set in advance.
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Moving Along
ARM Logistical Support
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Posted - 2007.05.28 02:47:00 -
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Originally by: Sentinel Eeex
Originally by: Aegieal
So if i know a dev in real life, and an ISD member breaks the rules in game, and call him up on the phone to ask for help, what is wrong with that?
Please, tell me just one thing:
WHICH rule did he break?
I spent some time and found rules on this website. Did you? Do you have any idea what rule he has broken?
He was creating a hypothetical situation there. That whooshing sound was his point flying over your head. :P Honestly though, I don't know what happened with that ISD dude.
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Astarte Nosferatu
Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: CCP kieron
In short, it simply gives CCP the option of deciding which direction to move EVEÆs Prime Fiction at the end of the arc or to allow unfolding events to determine what is to follow. The claims of CCP rigging events to benefit a player, corporation or alliance are groundless.
You and your company are one of the accused. Give us one good reason why we should believe a word you say?
Originally by: Dianabolic I was sworn to absolute secrecy by CCP
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Velthandi
Alpha Production Technologies Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.05.28 03:07:00 -
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Edited by: Velthandi on 28/05/2007 03:06:37 Edit: Replying to an off topic post. Sorry.
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