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Pimp Slappy
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Posted - 2007.05.28 13:41:00 -
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Its actually quite funny to watch the forums and see hundreds of players come together with tens of threads requesting a nerf to this or nerf to that, and when ccp finally gives in, the same people rush to the forums to whine yet again about the next flavor of the week nerf they want. Whine enough, ccp will eventually give in to anything.
Just a few examples somewhat recently is:
1. Privateers 2. Logging in combat 3. Warp core stabs 4. Cloaking
Cloaking is the what all the cool kids are talking about apparently......
Player> Nerf cloaking, its not fair, they are using their cloaking ships / devices as intended and we cant find them! I cant get my killmail!!!!1111 Player> Nerf cloaking, its not fair, they are using their cloaking ships / devices as intended and we cant find them! I cant get my killmail!!!!1111 Player> Nerf cloaking, its not fair, they are using their cloaking ships / devices as intended and we cant find them! I cant get my killmail!!!!1111 Player> Nerf cloaking, its not fair, they are using their cloaking ships / devices as intended and we cant find them! I cant get my killmail!!!!1111
CCP> fine!, Fine! FINE!!! SHUTTT UP ALREADY. Its done you can now scan out cloakers. Happy?
Player> YES!!!! Player> Oh.. wait.. we scanned them, warp to them, but we still cant see them!!!!111 Its not fair, what good is scanning cloaked ships if we cant see them? This is game breaking CCP fix this! Farmers are getting away, my mom is getting away.. noooo i want my gank! Player> Oh.. wait.. we scanned them, warp to them, but we still cant see them!!!!111 Its not fair, what good is scanning cloaked ships if we cant see them? This is game breaking CCP fix this! Farmers are getting away, my mom is getting away.. noooo i want my gank! Player> Oh.. wait.. we scanned them, warp to them, but we still cant see them!!!!111 Its not fair, what good is scanning cloaked ships if we cant see them? This is game breaking CCP fix this! Farmers are getting away, my mom is getting away.. noooo i want my gank! Player> Oh.. wait.. we scanned them, warp to them, but we still cant see them!!!!111 Its not fair, what good is scanning cloaked ships if we cant see them? This is game breaking CCP fix this! Farmers are getting away, my mom is getting away.. noooo i want my gank!
CCP> FINE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111.... YOU CAN NOW PROBE CLOAKERS AND WARP TO THEM AND THEY WILL BE VISIBLE AND YOU CAN GANK THEM, OK??? HAPPY???? CAN I FINALLY GO TO BED NOW??
Player> Thanks!!!!!!! Player> oh wait. I was in my recon ship cloaked and i was probed down by some nubs!!! CCP this is game breaking, how can they see me if i am cloaked? WTF CCP fix this what is the point of cloaking if everyone can see me? Nerf probing!!!! Player> oh wait. I was in my recon ship cloaked and i was probed down by some nubs!!! CCP this is game breaking, how can they see me if i am cloaked? WTF CCP fix this what is the point of cloaking if everyone can see me? Nerf probing!!!! Player> oh wait. I was in my recon ship cloaked and i was probed down by some nubs!!! CCP this is game breaking, how can they see me if i am cloaked? WTF CCP fix this what is the point of cloaking if everyone can see me? Nerf probing!!!! Player> oh wait. I was in my recon ship cloaked and i was probed down by some nubs!!! CCP this is game breaking, how can they see me if i am cloaked? WTF CCP fix this what is the point of cloaking if everyone can see me? Nerf probing!!!!
CCP> AGGGGG...
Basically... you whine to get one thing, then whine when you get it, and ccp always seems to give in to the whiners. Maybe i should change my profession. I think i'll finally train whining to Level 5.
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Mifter Hogdido
Amarr The 0ri
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Posted - 2007.05.28 13:50:00 -
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Edited by: Mifter Hogdido on 28/05/2007 13:50:15 Signed.
What you said is so true and is noticeable in every game nearly. People whine when they dont get their personal "I-WIN" button, or when they are owned by someone who knows how to use something that they dont (cloaked recons, etc).
So they cry nerf. Its annoying and to be quite frank I like cloaking the way it is, and I dont even fly recons!
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
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Posted - 2007.05.28 13:59:00 -
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Nerfing stabs was one of the best changes that have been made recently. Emergency ctrl-q'ing is for pussies and nerfing it would be nice.
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.05.28 14:17:00 -
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TBH CCP does not "give in" as mutch as certain other developers.. most of the stuff they given in too has been because they too thought the same way and it would have changed anyway. they explained so here and there in bloggs/live chats or whatever it was..
I think most changes are good, and they do connect with upcomming content witch some seem to "miss" imo. things need to change, things will always change.. whines might "push" changes that would eventualy happen anyway, but i doubt they completely change direction based on forum whine alone.. my trust in CCP might wiggle atm but i dont believe they would realy do sutch things as balance the game based on forum whine... they "have" (i think if i remember correct) already stated so is not the case several times.
i believe CCP in those "statements" or what to call it, i think they care more about EvE then to do sutch a thing.. i believe them to think very very highly of eve, that doesnt mean i trust them.. but i surely trust their "passion" for eve any time, they proven that to the community countless times and they offered themselves more then any Devs/company in the gaming world ever has! they deserve to be trusted for their passion of their creation at the very least despite "wierd" events or problems.
CCP rule, no company like them.. *do however hope for good clarifications of recent events so statement should be taken "loosely" atm*
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.28 14:19:00 -
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Amazing social commentary by.... Pimp Slappy.
Wether there is a shread of truth or a point in your post is irrelevant to me. You are whining about people whining. Go away.
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Soray
Caldari The Nine Gates Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.05.28 14:24:00 -
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I demand the whining and nerf's themself to be nerfed.
Though I'm sure CCP are tearing their hair out over what to do - half of the community want this changed, half dont want it changed (Ie. Should cloaked ships be probable?). Although I'm sure, as stated earlier, that most of the community feel that the warp stab nerf was definetly a step in the right direction.
But definetly signed, some people forget that things are challenging in life and an I-Win button is never always there for them.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.28 14:30:00 -
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This thread kinda reminds me of monty python sketches...i think i'll perform one..with less haha and a weird sense of copyright stuff breakage now
*ding ding* Wrangler: Hello there, welcome to CCP, how may i help you? Player: Yes, i'd like to whine. Wrangler: Very well sir, what about? Player: The cloaks. Wrangler: Ah yes. And what might be your particular problem with them? Player: Well, you can't see 'em. Wrangler: ...yes sir. That is the basic working principle of a cloaking device. Player: But i want to shoot them. Wrangler: Ah i see. Well. How about we make a probe for you to find them? Player: That would be splendid! Wrangler: Righto then, here you go, a anti-cloak probe. Player: Thank you kindly.
*a few hours later*
*ding ding* Wrangler: Hello there, welcome to CCP, how may i help you? Player: This anti-cloak probe doesn't work *kathung!(sound of probe hitting the counter) Wrangler: What's wrong with it? Player: Well it doesn't decloak them. Wrangler: It's...not supposed to. Player: Well i want it to! Wrangler: Right. You want it to find AND decloak cloaked ships. Player: Quite. Wrangler: Allright, i'm game, i'll just do this and bang on this and make a WOOP sound and...there! Anti-cloak-decloak probe! Player: Thanks a bunch! Wrangler: Quite welcome, do hope that works for you.
*few hours later again*
*ding ding*
Wrangler: Hello the...oh it's you... Player: I want to whine! Wrangler: Ofcourse you do. Player: I'm flying about in my cov-ops right... Wrangler: No no...let me guess...someone probed, decloaked you and shot you to tiny smoldering bits and now you want me to do something about it? Player: In a nutshell. Wrangler: Right. Wait right here. Player: Allrighty.
Wrangler steps to the backroom.
Player: Dup di duu...
Wrangler: Right then! Player: What's that? Wrangler: This, is a gun. Player: A gun? How's that going to fix my problem? Wrangler: Well you see, i pull this thing back like this... Player: I see... Wrangler: And then i point the barrel towards you like this... Player: O...k...?
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.05.28 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
... Player: What's that? Wrangler: This, is a gun. Player: A gun? How's that going to fix my problem? Wrangler: Well you see, i pull this thing back like this... Player: I see... Wrangler: And then i point the barrel towards you like this... Player: O...k...?
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.05.28 14:59:00 -
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Awwww now see i got flamed for talking about the people cry about thing and got there way in the end ! Way back when they was removing the Npc rats at the gates no one seem to care back then and now look at high sec the gates are dead no real game life around them. Back in 2004 there was so many cool NPC flying around in systems and they even had small citys by some of the moons . Now every thing is broken up so a player can only use a set type of ship to fly in to the complex that has been strip of any faction items. And now people are saying the whining players are getting there way only when it bites you .
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Savesti Kyrsst
Minmatar White-Noise
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Posted - 2007.05.28 15:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sheriff Jones
Wrangler: Right then! Player: What's that? Wrangler: This, is a gun. Player: A gun? How's that going to fix my problem? Wrangler: Well you see, i pull this thing back like this... Player: I see... Wrangler: And then i point the barrel towards you like this... Player: O...k...?
You win this thread.
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Hajyt
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Posted - 2007.05.28 15:12:00 -
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The lesson:
If something isn't EXTREMELY HORRIBLY unbalanced, then don't change it.
Makes it much less annoying for the players as well, ie the ones who have been training forever for a skill to suddenly find its worthless because people whined about it being .000545% better than it should be.
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Barbarellas Daughter
Lonely Barbarella
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Posted - 2007.05.28 15:44:00 -
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/not signed
i assume CCP has a plan of nerfing before the whine threads hit the forum. if theres sthg not balanced CCP probably knows about it. and probably people notice it aswell.
its the old question: what was first: the whine or the nerfbat (here: preparation of nerfbat)
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The RepoMan
Caldari Red Horizon Inc Red Horizon
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Posted - 2007.05.28 16:57:00 -
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Jesus enough allready, I mean how goddamn selfish are you that you think it's your whining that actually brings about change? The devs dont just go, "hey i wonder what the forum thinks about this" and then do what they say, if they did the game would blow goats right about now. I mean seriously, get a goddamn clue.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.05.28 18:06:00 -
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Originally by: Savesti Kyrsst You win this thread.
*bow*
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CrestoftheStars
Perkone
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Posted - 2007.05.28 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: CrestoftheStars on 28/05/2007 18:52:11 hehe funny yer..
but you rather have them NOT listening to the costumers?! i can just see it, you losing everything you have because of a exsploit or lag or something and ccp going.
"what?! what was that? a whine? hehe, yer yer.. go lay down... so what where we doing guys?!"
i think its exstremely importent that they listend and altering what the majority see's as a problem and not just listens to those that misuse a exsploiteble module and thereby don't want it nerfed so they can't do it
edit: yer i lost 3million sp on there torp nerf, so now i have to train cruiser lvl 5 spec lvl5 isntead, but i see that as a good thing because NOW torps works as they should, and are no longer the "i kill everything with ease with javelins".. nerfs are good even when they hurt... and 2 month of training hurts. ___________________________________________ Humans take everything that is beautiful and sweet and turn it into something horrifying and ugly.
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