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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.30 00:27:00 -
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You can't see your enemy coming from a mile away. There is no 'local' chat channel to use as intel and find out when you're in danger.
Sure, everything else in WoW sucks ass, but at least it doesn't have local to warn your targets of your approach.
Because I said so...
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max bygraves
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Posted - 2007.05.30 00:42:00 -
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reroll hunter
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.05.30 00:46:00 -
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You mean WoW actually has stealth? Stealth that works as intended? Not to mention they have more people engaged in PvP (heck, whole servers dedicated to it), 24/7?
Golly, imagine that.
Yeah, there's no skill loss in WoW. Death seldom has a sting any greater than a long walk and minor repair costs. But look at what risk-aversion has done to EVE. Are we really that much better off?
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Illistar DeathWing
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Posted - 2007.05.30 00:52:00 -
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Actually you are dead wrong. Wow has the world defense channel, that's like local chat, but GLOBAL. And people on pvp servers always say if there are enemies coming or not. It could be MUCH worse in wow, it's just that it's not as needed as in eve (because you don't have much else you can rely on to survive when not in a heavy combat ship)
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:00:00 -
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I agree 100% with the OP and Blue Pixie.
That must be why I play WoW now. 4 days until my Eve sub ends...
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Originally by: Galack Fyar Burn in a hole
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Jade Graham
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:03:00 -
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Yeh you go play wow and pick flowers with the rest of them, less crowded eve servers for us!
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Gojyu
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:05:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 30/05/2007 01:05:38
Originally by: Illistar DeathWing Actually you are dead wrong. Wow has the world defense channel, that's like local chat, but GLOBAL. And people on pvp servers always say if there are enemies coming or not. It could be MUCH worse in wow, it's just that it's not as needed as in eve (because you don't have much else you can rely on to survive when not in a heavy combat ship)
Umm... no they don't. World defence only pipes up if an enemy engages a guard. Occasionally you'd get something like "Jita is under attack" in it. Players used to be able to chat in it if they were above a certain rank, but there aren't ranks anymore. Also, I levelled 3 characters to 60 on pvp servers, and aside from the occasional "rogue at nessingwary's" you don't get anywhere near the intel the combination of scanner, local chat and the overview provides. The main difference in WoW isn't the lack of local- it's the lack of an overview and scanner. You may have an enemy 5 metres behind you, but if you're concentrating on a mob, you might be dead before you realise they were there.
As an aside, I'd say the one thing WoW does better than eve is ui customisation. It's a bit of a shock coming from a 100% custom built ui to a game where you can't even set the clock to local time
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Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:08:00 -
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Originally by: Illistar DeathWing Actually you are dead wrong. Wow has the world defense channel, that's like local chat, but GLOBAL. And people on pvp servers always say if there are enemies coming or not. It could be MUCH worse in wow, it's just that it's not as needed as in eve (because you don't have much else you can rely on to survive when not in a heavy combat ship)
The World Defense channel doesn't mean squat unless someone comes OUT of stealth to ATTACK. It also give ZERO indication if a hostile is still present in the area if they re-stealth. People on PvP servers won't say if there are enemies coming, if they don't/can't see them. Stealth in that game actually WORKS. Even getting tipped off in advance due to a spy is much harder to do in WoW, since you can't have characters in both factions on the same account (on a PvP server) AND you can't communicate in-game with members of the opposing faction.
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Raziel
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:11:00 -
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Originally by: Jade Graham Yeh you go play wow and pick flowers with the rest of them, less crowded eve servers for us!
im not sure why the eve community is so hateful towards any other game? Does the eve community realise they they too, are in fact, playing a game... no they dont, they take it to seriously.
just because you add a few 0's and 1' and remove a few 0's and 1's. Its all the same in the end. a big waste of time and money.
I say go and enjoy WoW, if thats what you like, its what you like. I personaly have never tryed it but thinking about giving it a go. Iv been in eve 4 years now and not much else to do here but the same ol same ol.
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:12:00 -
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And just to clarify: I don't like WoW. I can't stand it. I live to PVP. In WoW, I actually like PVE *more* than PVP. (Not that I like PVE, it's just that WoW's PVP is *that* bad)
I just find it pathetic that WoW has a game design element that is better than Eve. Especially when it comes to PVP.
And no, the global defense channel is in NO WAY comparable to Local, lol. I've never heard anything more stupid in my life.
Because I said so...
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Tkar vonBiggendorf
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:17:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu ....a game where you can't even set the clock to local time
Do you have any idea how much extra confusion it would cause if they allowed that?
"What time was that mining op gonna start again? Is that Pacific, Central, or GMT? It happened yesterday? Drats!"
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Gojyu
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:22:00 -
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Edited by: Gojyu on 30/05/2007 01:21:11
Originally by: Tkar vonBiggendorf
Originally by: Gojyu ....a game where you can't even set the clock to local time
Do you have any idea how much extra confusion it would cause if they allowed that?
"What time was that mining op gonna start again? Is that Pacific, Central, or GMT? It happened yesterday? Drats!"
The mining op starts at 20:00 eve time. A basic mod would allow the clock to display local time, and then display eve time in a tooltip on mouseover
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Clatters
Caldari Dark Horizons Red Horizon
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Clatters on 30/05/2007 01:24:12 WoW vs EvE Googlefight
Edit: Clicky
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Anehra
X-Fire
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:24:00 -
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I'd rephrase it and say "in WoW you can log in, move a few minutes away from your log out location - and get fairly even small one-person or small gang pvp".
Would love to see that come back to EVE. The days you logged in and a few minutes later found yourself engaged in 1 vs 1 of somewhat equal ships.
The thrill, honour and fast-pased pvp (that also suited casual players) is gone. We need to subscribe to the local blob and hope we get lucky.
Apart from that; EVE > WoW. If you even can compare two games that so vastly different.
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Keldoran Sakhin
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:24:00 -
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Edited by: Keldoran Sakhin on 30/05/2007 01:23:43 But Eve has lasers. I mean, come on. Lasers.
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Umit Davala
Corpus PCG The State
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu Edited by: Gojyu on 30/05/2007 01:21:11
Originally by: Tkar vonBiggendorf
Originally by: Gojyu ....a game where you can't even set the clock to local time
Do you have any idea how much extra confusion it would cause if they allowed that?
"What time was that mining op gonna start again? Is that Pacific, Central, or GMT? It happened yesterday? Drats!"
The mining op starts at 20:00 eve time. A basic mod would allow the clock to display local time, and then display eve time in a tooltip on mouseover
Meh, its nice to have a ingame time based around GMT for a change and not PST. If its good enough for the military, its good enough for me. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ This post was brought to you in association with Amateur Dramatics Forum Whoring, and Quafe Ultra: in the heat of the moment. |
Umit Davala
Corpus PCG The State
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Keldoran Sakhin Edited by: Keldoran Sakhin on 30/05/2007 01:23:43 But Eve has lasers. I mean, come on. Lasers.
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Illistar DeathWing
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:28:00 -
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I'm all for removing local, provided that you give none combat ships another type of defense. And please don't give me the whole keep checking your overview line, mining is boring around without having to check overview 24/7.
What you guys are asking for in terms of local and all is a good idea, but you have to realize that local is pretty much the only reliable form of defense that industrials have.
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Clatters
Caldari Dark Horizons Red Horizon
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:28:00 -
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Carebear(WoW) vs EvE
This pic done by someone in the corp, i find rather appropriate for this topic!
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Gojyu
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:28:00 -
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Originally by: Raziel
Originally by: Jade Graham Yeh you go play wow and pick flowers with the rest of them, less crowded eve servers for us!
im not sure why the eve community is so hateful towards any other game? Does the eve community realise they they too, are in fact, playing a game... no they dont, they take it to seriously.
In all seriousness, I've done a lot of thinking about this same subject (Psychology student, so I do some pretty boring thinking sometimes ). My personal view is that it's due to a slight variation of a theory known as "terror management theory". Basically, all players know mmog's don't last forever. When eve players are confronted with WoW, which is quite obviously the more popular game this knowledge of eve's eventual "death" becomes salient. This saliency causes discrimination to the out-group, and also explains why WoW players will discriminate against fans of a newer game (such as guild wars back in the day, and WAR nowdays) but don't, to be honest, give a rat's ass about eve players or other less successful games
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Gojyu
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:31:00 -
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Originally by: Clatters Edited by: Clatters on 30/05/2007 01:24:12 WoW vs EvE Googlefight
Edit: Clicky
You made a little mistake. Quotation marks for the win etc
Clicky me too
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Hammer Judge
Gallente Southern Cross Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:39:00 -
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Shameless plug for my newbie guide, written for experienced MMO gamers such as those leaving Warcraft.
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:49:00 -
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Log into eve after playing wow for some months and ask if anyone wants to join you for a complex run. Then you know you played too much wow
Ship lovers click here |
Chavu
The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: murder one You can't see your enemy coming from a mile away. There is no 'local' chat channel to use as intel and find out when you're in danger.
Sure, everything else in WoW sucks ass, but at least it doesn't have local to warn your targets of your approach.
I've played WoW for a long time, and OF COURSE you can see people a mile away. Have you ever played the game? You can see them walk up to you and you have a long time before you want to engage. And you can always hop on your mount and run away.
There's no local chat, but there is actually looking on your screen and watching your enemy come up to you. Your local whine nerf is lame. Oh and guess what WoW DOES have a form of local. Whenever a guard is engaged in combat, local defense yells for example "SouthShore is under attack!" Does Eve send a region broadcast whenever a blue is engaged? No, so stfu.
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Angus McDorble
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.05.30 01:57:00 -
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WoW sucks in every way possible. I'd rather stab myself in the eye with a rusty pen dipped in AIDS then play WoW. ------------------------------- Sorry I stunk up the factory.
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.05.30 02:08:00 -
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Originally by: murder one And just to clarify: I don't like WoW. I can't stand it. I live to PVP. In WoW, I actually like PVE *more* than PVP. (Not that I like PVE, it's just that WoW's PVP is *that* bad)
And no, the global defense channel is in NO WAY comparable to Local, lol. I've never heard anything more stupid in my life.
ah VI... not bob pets, much.
WoW has very good PVE i've found, though i've never been interested enough to reach the max level's.
Local defence channels tell you when a hostile enters the area, but unless you're a GM you cant warp anywhere you like it wow, you have to hike. So it doesnt matter... and if you die, you lose nothing of value.
PVP in WoW can be fun... but twinks and no risk/no reward make it run out of content fast.
EvE could learn from the PVE though
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Kylegar
Caldari The Dark Horses Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.05.30 02:12:00 -
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One way Eve is better than WoW:
Eve is actually FUN to play --- amazing sig, no? |
Blue Pixie
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Posted - 2007.05.30 02:28:00 -
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Originally by: Chavu There's no local chat, but there is actually looking on your screen and watching your enemy come up to you.
And exactly how well does that work against a rogue?
That's not to say there aren't any counters for stealth in WoW, but for goodness sakes, they still require a bit more effort than just glancing at a gosh darned CHAT TAB.
Originally by: umop 3pisdn Local defence channels tell you when a hostile enters the area
Unless it's radically changed since I cancelled my account, um no. Local defense only tells you when a hostile ENGAGES IN COMBAT. It most certainly never used to indicate when a player using stealth or invisibility had entered an area.
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hylleX
Spontaneous Defenestration Coalition of Carebear Killers
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Posted - 2007.05.30 02:55:00 -
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They way i see it is.... if you remove local sure it helps ppl to find and kill ratters or whatevva. BUT also it helps big gangs aka blobs since you cant see them until they appear on the overview which suxs donkey****. So what needs to be done is that local should only show the number of players in local thats the fairest way i see local getting changed. Sure ratters can see you but they cant see if your hostile or not local needs to stay one way or another.
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.05.30 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: hylleX They way i see it is.... if you remove local sure it helps ppl to find and kill ratters or whatevva. BUT also it helps big gangs aka blobs since you cant see them until they appear on the overview which suxs donkey****. So what needs to be done is that local should only show the number of players in local thats the fairest way i see local getting changed. Sure ratters can see you but they cant see if your hostile or not local needs to stay one way or another.
You're missing the point. A bear will be happily ratting in a system on his own. Then local spikes. And he's safespots and logs. Over and over again. There needs to be NO LOCAL, or even better, regional or at least constellation chat.
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Originally by: Galack Fyar Burn in a hole
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