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Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.01 18:40:00 - [1] Hi I've decided to sell my old rover mini cooper and buy myself a subara impreza. Now i did have a few questions and was wondering if anyone could answeer them. 1. How reliable are these things, cos id like something more reliable then my late mini cooper. I cant tell you how often she's broken down, and i must have invented a few new swear words by now 2. How fast are they, cos the mini might not do flat out striaght line stuff, but man can she go round corners like a housefly, makes me giggle when i outpace porsche's through country roads 3. Ill be paying about 3.5k for her, which leaves me approx 1.5k spare to play with. Now im one of these peple who loves his speed, so any ideas what i can do with that money to make her go zoom? (btw is it worth upgrading the brakes or not?) 4. Finally, anything i should look out for when buying one ie rust in specific places etc? Cheers guys Aaron
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.01 20:34:00 - [2] cumon someone reply
masie may	Posted - 2007.06.01 21:32:00 - [3] buy the subar, and keep the left over cash handy. needs a full service every 5000 miles :(
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.01 22:24:00 - [4] Regardless of where you come from, be very weary of buying a second hand Impreza. Many of them have had unregistered collision damage, or have had the arses ragged out of them by people who think they're Micheal Schumacher. This is more evident in the UK. If you think you're going to commit to buying one, check it thoroughly before you give a yes. Make sure it's got an entire service history by a known dealer chain (yeah, this is basics but I thought I'd point it out anyway). Check the inner wings under the hood from the bulkhead right to the front panel for any kind of disturbance (the factory wing (fender) panels will be sealed to the car). If this has been disturbed you'll want to know why. (The battery tray and fusebox might obstruct the view of the right hand inner wing (looking from the front of the car)) Take a look at the bulkhead, make sure it's clean(ish) and straight, all the welding to the front chassis rails will (should) be sealed with factory body sealer. Check for any overspray anywhere under the hood and mismatch of shades of color (the intercooler might gave you bother seeing the center of the bulkhead) Check under the sideskirts of the car for any damage or evidence of repair to the sills, side impact damage might be evident from replaced doorseals and misalligned door lock pins on the car body. Check the sideskirts themselves on their undersides for any paint chipped off about 6 inches in front of the rear wheels, and the same distance behind the front wheels, if there's a lot then you know it's been on the jacks more than enough times, and carelessly at that. It goes without saying to check that all the spare wheel and associated crap is in the trunk, but while you're checking that make sure the spare wheel well is the right shape and there's no evidence of ripple in the floor of the trunk. On the outside, stand at the back of the car, and look down it's side at a slight angle. You're looking for any ripples in the panels where the light is reflected off them at wierd angles, another sign of side impact damage. Do the same with the roof, and inspect all the pillars to make sure they're spotless to check for any rollover damage. Places to look for rust are only really on the early models. They're genreally solid but early 94 and 95's in the UK rust under the rear arches out of sight around the top of the suspension struts, and around the hinges on the rear doors (usually the bottom). Early models can also rust around the join between the sideskirt and the bottom of the wing in front of the front doors. If you're buying an import from Japan they're usually very clean and tidy because salt isn't used on the roads in winter over there so there's a lot less corrosion, and the cars are heavily undersealed. If the car has been modified, make sure there's lots of reciepts with it to cover work that's been done by people who are qualified (a lot of people decide to fit upgrades themselves and don't bother to dyno the car afterwards, which can result in the car running rich or lean and mess up the performance and leave a lot of mess inside the motor) If it's approaching either 45,000 or 90,000 miles (i think that's the second one) make sure that it's had it's cambelt changed (it has one long ass belt that serves both sides of the boxer motor). as it's pretty expensive to have done by a dealer. Also check for a slightly blue haze to the exhaust smoke, this is an early sign usually of the oil seals in the turbo passing oil and being on their way out (people have a habit of driving them hard and not allowing them to cool before they turn off the ignition and cut the cooling oil supply to the turbo) Awesome cars, they're very reliable if they're cared for, but they can be troublesome if they're abused, as with anything I guess. The way they handle will put a grin on your face, especially the eariler models (newer imprezas are pretty dumbed down to cater for the masses). Hope this helps >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Vari Carbide Industries	Posted - 2007.06.01 22:43:00 - [5] What kinda Impreza is it? I know that for around 4-5k usd the Nissan 240SX's with the SR20DETs are a great deal. 4-5k will fetch a 1989-1994 model while 8-10k will get a 1995+ one. Rear wheel drive, turbo, plenty of power. And 240SXs are lightweight too.
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.02 10:10:00 - [6] cheers guys, especially verone Yeah i was looking at buying a 96' impreza thats bog standard for about 3.5k, or $7000 equiv. Tbh id prefer to own a supra as you can get some crazy power out of them, but where i live i need something i can chuck into corners and crazy speeds. Thats why i loved my old mini, most fun car i've ever driven Oh and im 18, so i cant wait to get this car, because everyone my age has to drive crappy 1.4 hatchbacks (ive got connections)
Menkaure Amarr Vanitas Corp.	Posted - 2007.06.02 10:25:00 - [7] Originally by: Aaron Zebulun cheers guys, especially verone Yeah i was looking at buying a 96' impreza thats bog standard for about 3.5k, or $7000 equiv. Tbh id prefer to own a supra as you can get some crazy power out of them, but where i live i need something i can chuck into corners and crazy speeds. Thats why i loved my old mini, most fun car i've ever driven Oh and im 18, so i cant wait to get this car, because everyone my age has to drive crappy 1.4 hatchbacks (ive got connections) 18? Bloody hell, scooby insurance ratings start mid-teens and get higher, you're gonna be paying ridiculous-money if you can even find someone to insure you...
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.02 11:08:00 - [8] well ive got my quote, and for third party etc its 61 quid a month, or $120 lol like i said i know people
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.02 11:17:00 - [9] Originally by: Aaron Zebulun Oh and im 18, so i cant wait to get this car, because everyone my age has to drive crappy 1.4 hatchbacks (ive got connections) You'll be very lucky to find insurance at your age, a few months ago Imprezas, particularly the earlier models, were blacklisted by a lot of insurance companies as a high risk policy to anyone under 30. There was an article about it in just about every motoring column in British papers, mostly due to young people buying them at really cheap prices and parking them in trees, fields and hedges. That puts them up there with the roadgoing Ford RS200's, R-34 GTR, and the few existing kit form versions of the Metro 6R4 that are on the road today. If you do look for insurance, expect to get offered policies for 19,000 quid a year, or be turned away because of your age. If you do get a "decent" price, I'll be surprised if it's less than 4 grand a year, but good luck. Oh and from Eve Player to Eve Player, be careful mate... seriously. The Impreza is a superb car for going around corners, but it has a limit like anything else. They're notorious for having a very fine line between when they'll turn and when they slide, and when they hit that line, it happens fast and they're very unforgiving. I'm 23 and I can insure an R-33 easier than I could insure an Impreza. (If you decide on a Supra, go for an RZ model, manual 6 speed twin turbo. They're teh sex). >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Krash Domina	Posted - 2007.06.02 11:21:00 - [10] Edited by: Krash Domina on 02/06/2007 11:20:33 damn alts

Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.02 11:22:00 - [11] Well like i said, ive got connections (love american insurers lol). My mini was the same for handeling, was soooooooo good for corners. Now as for tuning, anyone got any ideas? i was thinking aftermarket induction kit, with a sports exhaust system, and having the ECU remapped, so i should be getting over 300bhp (yeah im a complete nutcase for my age, ill probably die 2 weeks after getting it) Oh and ill post sexy pics to proove how young i am* *reserve the right to not be sexy
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.02 11:32:00 - [12] Edited by: Verone on 02/06/2007 11:32:32 It really depends on what sort of power delivery you want, and what sort of BHP and torque figures you're looking at achieving. Just slapping an exhaust and an air filter on won't do much other than mess up the fuelling and probably make it run rich. You really want to decide what sort of power increase you're looking at before you start bolting things on Oh, and being 4 wheel drive and Impreza will be completely different to a Mini going round corners... the weight distribution, plus the overall weight of the car is like 3x of a mini will have a lot of effect on how it turns in. Don't overestimate it, or you're hurt yourself >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.02 11:44:00 - [13] yeah i am a bit of a nutter lol. Well the plan was after getting the exhaust and air filter fitted, to have the ecu remapped so the fueling isnt screwed up. After that you got any ideas where to go from there? As for trying not to kill myself, me and a few friends are going to goto this "unused" airfield and throw our cars around for a bit, just see how well it will stick before sliding
SubTig	Posted - 2007.06.02 14:02:00 - [14] Putting this quite simply, Your an idiot. If you think at 18 you have the maturity or the experience to drive a car like a impreza think again. You might want to check your so called connections and cheap insurence, it's cheap for a damn good reason, it's got conditions set to it that buried away in the small print. Your the kind of person I either enjoy having your car towed away and giving you lots of points on your licence or I have to go see your mummy and daddy and explain why you and you mates are dead and scattered over a 100m of road way. Either way doesn't bother me. next time you are driving about, have a look at the all the flowers by the road side in really strange places that look like nice easy roads, thats some kid like you who has recently died for being a **head. Think about it and learn to drive properly first. Originally by:** Aaron Zebulun yeah i am a bit of a nutter lol. Well the plan was after getting the exhaust and air filter fitted, to have the ecu remapped so the fueling isnt screwed up. After that you got any ideas where to go from there? As for trying not to kill myself, me and a few friends are going to goto this "unused" airfield and throw our cars around for a bit, just see how well it will stick before sliding
Radgun Minmatar Eve University Ivy League	Posted - 2007.06.02 15:57:00 - [15] they're fuel guzzlers, man, I wouldn't buy one unless I was entering a competition with it
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.02 19:19:00 - [16] Originally by: SubTig Putting this quite simply, Your an idiot. If you think at 18 you have the maturity or the experience to drive a car like a impreza think again. You might want to check your so called connections and cheap insurence, it's cheap for a damn good reason, it's got conditions set to it that buried away in the small print. Your the kind of person I either enjoy having your car towed away and giving you lots of points on your licence or I have to go see your mummy and daddy and explain why you and you mates are dead and scattered over a 100m of road way. Either way doesn't bother me. next time you are driving about, have a look at the all the flowers by the road side in really strange places that look like nice easy roads, thats some kid like you who has recently died for being a **head. Think about it and learn to drive properly first. Originally by:** Aaron Zebulun yeah i am a bit of a nutter lol. Well the plan was after getting the exhaust and air filter fitted, to have the ecu remapped so the fueling isnt screwed up. After that you got any ideas where to go from there? As for trying not to kill myself, me and a few friends are going to goto this "unused" airfield and throw our cars around for a bit, just see how well it will stick before sliding hmm why dont you try getting off your ******* high horse and give a contructive comment, imstead of just flaming me. I bet you're one of these idiots that drives 30mph slower then the speed limit and causes more accidents when people overtake you Oh and i can drive, im a damn good one at that, and if you think having 20+ years experience is needed to drive anything faster then a 1 litre polo then u got ur head waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up your ass mate I know 15 yr olds that can drive better then me, age has nothing to do with it.
SubTig	Posted - 2007.06.02 19:37:00 - [17] And that was exactly the response I was waiting for. I'm 27 and trained to drive a car fast and safe. I am able to drive a car quickly to the limits of the vehicle and the road conditions. The reason I'm on a high horse is because I spend a fair amount of my time dealing with kids like yourself. The simple fact that you say your a damn good driver is evidence enough for me to know your not. I'm guessing you don't have the first idea about accident management/investigation. People driving slowly wouldn't cause the accident, that would be caused by the other driver overtaking in an unsafe position. And I think you'll find age has everything to do with it. Thats why insurence levels alter at set ages. Also you need to have been driving a few years to really understand and read the road correctly. Oh and if you reply, please it at a higher level of maturity than your last one. Originally by: Aaron Zebulun hmm why dont you try getting off your ******* high horse and give a contructive comment, imstead of just flaming me. I bet you're one of these idiots that drives 30mph slower then the speed limit and causes more accidents when people overtake you Oh and i can drive, im a damn good one at that, and if you think having 20+ years experience is needed to drive anything faster then a 1 litre polo then u got ur head waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay up your ass mate I know 15 yr olds that can drive better then me, age has nothing to do with it.
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.02 20:07:00 - [18] oh just because you're older, therefore you're automatically a better driver, thats what your logic is saying isnt it? Well newsflash, it isnt. I dont really care what you think, i am a good driver. I cant tell you how many times ive had to swerve to avoid women drivers/old idiots and people generally not paying attention who would have caused a crash. But by you're logic i should have just kept on going and plowed into em cos im young and therefore cant drive its idiots like you that put young drivers down and give them a bad name, ofcourse there are going to be a few that are idiots ill give you that. But you cant say that there arnt idiots in the 20's, 30's, 40's etc theres always some.
Verone Gallente Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.06.02 21:16:00 - [19] First of all I think you guys both need to cool off. Aaron, he has a point although he didn't exactly phrase it in the safest of manners. I've already pointed out that if you feel that an Impreza will go around corners in any way resembling a mini, then you need to step back and get used to the car before you do start to drive it. As well as that, I think you'd be better off going to a track day or a drifting day rather than behaving how you've described on public roads. What you need to understand isn't that you might hurt yourself, or wreck your car, but that you might hit someone else, carrying a kids, or a whole family. A lot of accidents are caused because people drive too fast for conditions, it has nothing to do with how good of a driver they are or how good of a driver they think they are, it's simple misjudgement of weather and road surface conditions due to inexperience of driving in varied conditions. I won't preach, we all make mistakes and learn by them mate, I'm only just turning 23 myself, I drive an R-33 GTR (and wish I could afford a 34) now and had my first few years with the same attitude as yourself. All I will say is be careful on public roads, if not for your own safety then for the safety of people you might run into. If you're interested in driving like a lunatic, Evemail me and i can sort you out with a few phone numbers for Santa Pod, Croft, Donnington and a few Drift UK meetings so that you can have some fun in relative safety. Trust me mate, the state of England's roads? It's the last place you want to be going sideways in an Impreza. >>> THE BEAUTY OF NEW EDEN <<<
Menkaure Amarr Vanitas Corp.	Posted - 2007.06.02 21:34:00 - [20] Originally by: Aaron Zebulun oh just because you're older, therefore you're automatically a better driver, thats what your logic is saying isnt it? Well newsflash, it isnt. I dont really care what you think, i am a good driver. I cant tell you how many times ive had to swerve to avoid women drivers/old idiots and people generally not paying attention who would have caused a crash. But by you're logic i should have just kept on going and plowed into em cos im young and therefore cant drive its idiots like you that put young drivers down and give them a bad name, ofcourse there are going to be a few that are idiots ill give you that. But you cant say that there arnt idiots in the 20's, 30's, 40's etc theres always some. Put young drivers down and give them a bad name? Don't be a fool.... just did a quick bit of net research and found this... Quote: Teen Drivers ages 16 to 19 have death rates four times that of a driver age 25-29 years of age. Quote: For those in the age group of 1 to 30 years, the leading cause of death is due to being involved in a car accident. People, who are between 15 to 24 years, and those who are above 75 years of age, are the people who are most severely affected by car accidents. etc, etc.... the stats go on if you're willing to look. Young drivers give young drivers a bad name, and overconfident ***s like yourself with just a year or two under their belt driving who think theyre michael *** schumacher. Know of far too many people who were exactly like you before getting in really bad bloody crashes - thankfully they're all ok. (Barring someone I knew who ploughed his bike into a lorry, but thats another story) You're a tool if you think you can handle a souped up scooby safely at 18. Just another chav *** who's gonna get himself and probably someone else killed. Why do i get the feeling that the swerving to avoid "woman drivers" (sexist aswell?) and "old idiots" were mostly your fault? Stuff like screaming up behind someone at eighty or trying to overtake people at ridiculous points, making them panic? Gimme a break.

Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.02 21:46:00 - [21] Originally by: Menkaure Originally by: Aaron Zebulun oh just because you're older, therefore you're automatically a better driver, thats what your logic is saying isnt it? Well newsflash, it isnt. I dont really care what you think, i am a good driver. I cant tell you how many times ive had to swerve to avoid women drivers/old idiots and people generally not paying attention who would have caused a crash. But by you're logic i should have just kept on going and plowed into em cos im young and therefore cant drive its idiots like you that put young drivers down and give them a bad name, ofcourse there are going to be a few that are idiots ill give you that. But you cant say that there arnt idiots in the 20's, 30's, 40's etc theres always some. Put young drivers down and give them a bad name? Don't be a fool.... just did a quick bit of net research and found this... Quote: Teen Drivers ages 16 to 19 have death rates four times that of a driver age 25-29 years of age. Quote: For those in the age group of 1 to 30 years, the leading cause of death is due to being involved in a car accident. People, who are between 15 to 24 years, and those who are above 75 years of age, are the people who are most severely affected by car accidents. etc, etc.... the stats go on if you're willing to look. Young drivers give young drivers a bad name, and overconfident ***s like yourself with just a year or two under their belt driving who think theyre michael *** schumacher. Know of far too many people who were exactly like you before getting in really bad bloody crashes - thankfully they're all ok. (Barring someone I knew who ploughed his bike into a lorry, but thats another story) You're a tool if you think you can handle a souped up scooby safely at 18. Just another chav * who's gonna get himself and probably someone else killed. Why do i get the feeling that the swerving to avoid "woman drivers" (sexist aswell?) and "old idiots" were mostly your fault? Stuff like screaming up behind someone at eighty or trying to overtake people at ridiculous points, making them panic? Gimme a break. Nah its more to do with people pulling out from side junctions when im clearly gona plow into the side of them if the do i also cannot stand people who refuse to not indicate, use their mirrors etc. I hate driving on the motorway now because noone has any lane courtesy and very few people use indicators. And verone i never wind up my car unless i know the roads are quiet, and even then ill only go "fast" if i can see where im going Call me a chav acer etc, but im not, i stick to my lane, i dont overtake on corners or pull any of that ** ive seen lots of "older more experienced" drivers do. Oh and that teen drivers thing, did they factor in most new teenage drivers drive older/s,aller cars that are nowhere near as safe as say a new 4 door saloon, or all them bloody range rovers Im not saying that covers it completely, but u cant just say age is the only factor
Malicious Afterthought Suffoco Noctis Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.06.02 21:59:00 - [22] /me marks thread as interesting What Mr Verone said up there is good advice. As well as from the other dude (sorry forgot name) When I did my motorbike training to get a CBT, one of the lessons rammed home which has always stuck in my head and will never leave is this: "When you get the 7 day wonder, and turn up, you will be asked how you rate your riding on a scale from 1 to 10. Pitch low" That, and, "If you are overtaking and a car swerves, it is your fault, as you didn't plan" Not telling you how to live your life or owt like that, but just offering brighter opportunities for a better tomorrow. On a side note, I wish I was 18 again, and indestructible, although, I recently took possession of a Pug 205 XS, which is an absolute scream. 18 year old car, radio cassette, manual choke, and an engine you can fix with a hammer. For 275 of your earth pounds. Insurance, amusingly, was 268 quid, the converstation over insurance was: "Are you sure you don't want fully comp" "How much?" "645" "I'll take the TPF&T, thanks, stick in some legal cover" "Can I ask you why you don't want full comp?" "Because it is 3 times the value of the car, so if I stuff it, I can buy 3 more with the savings made, and to be fair, if anyone does nick it, they don't need jail, they need therapy"
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.02 22:09:00 - [23] Hehe that sounds fun, a bit like my mini without the girl magnetismgirls love mini's Anyways, i dont mid carrying on this "debate" but can we also try and sneak in a little about my original post pretty plz Id really like to know where to go from tuning wise after the usual air filter + exhaust + ecu remap I was thinking, new uprated hoses, dump valve, maybe a new intercooler, but im trying to think semi cheap. Also, uprated brake are gona be on soon, cos there isnt much point being able to go fast if u cant stop afterwards now is there (oh and ive got absolutly nothing against learner drivers, at all. Ive been there i know what its like, i feel their pain lol)
Miki Fin Gallente Independant Union of Rangers	Posted - 2007.06.02 22:51:00 - [24] Edited by: Miki Fin on 02/06/2007 22:50:31 Originally by: Aaron Zebulun Hehe that sounds fun, a bit like my mini without the girl magnetismgirls love mini's Anyways, i dont mid carrying on this "debate" but can we also try and sneak in a little about my original post pretty plz Id really like to know where to go from tuning wise after the usual air filter + exhaust + ecu remap I was thinking, new uprated hoses, dump valve, maybe a new intercooler, but im trying to think semi cheap. Also, uprated brake are gona be on soon, cos there isnt much point being able to go fast if u cant stop afterwards now is there (oh and ive got absolutly nothing against learner drivers, at all. Ive been there i know what its like, i feel their pain lol) Lots of neon lights to match your baseball cap/hoodie Your Signature is unsuitable for the forums. Mail us at mods@ccpgames.com if you require further information - Valorem
SubTig	Posted - 2007.06.03 03:10:00 - [25] It's a shame cos you really have no idea. I have had to tell people that that there loved ones have either died or have been seriously hurt in car crash's. I've attended accidents where it's been car vs car and car vs bike and I'll tell you what, it's not a pretty sight. Forget what you see on telly and all that crap. When it's real and in front of you it's a whole different story. This thread is a typical example of why the speed limit will never be raised on UK roads. the reason I talk about age is because the large majority of uk drivers pass their test at a young age. So it takes a number of years to build up experience. At 18 you have only held a full uk licence for a short time. Compare this to other drivers who been driving many years. An impreza accelerates at a massive speed, British roads aren't designed for this, to much traffic and to short a distances. magazines like max power etc etc don't help matters. They promote this kind of driving and then state they are against it. Forgive the spelling mistakes, replying after a good night out.
SubTig	Posted - 2007.06.03 03:15:00 - [26] try reading what is exactly being written. I said I was trained to drive a vehicle in a certain way. Thats because. it's my job to, and also to be able to spot the bad ones. Have a look back at what I've written and think what my job could possible be and then you might just understand whats be said to you. And just so you know, there are enough stats to prove me right on everything I have said. Try dropping your sexist and ageist views and see past those blinkers you are wearing. Not quite sure how you can call me an idiot when this is a subject I'm well versed in for a living. Originally by: Aaron Zebulun oh just because you're older, therefore you're automatically a better driver, thats what your logic is saying isnt it? Well newsflash, it isnt. I dont really care what you think, i am a good driver. I cant tell you how many times ive had to swerve to avoid women drivers/old idiots and people generally not paying attention who would have caused a crash. But by you're logic i should have just kept on going and plowed into em cos im young and therefore cant drive its idiots like you that put young drivers down and give them a bad name, ofcourse there are going to be a few that are idiots ill give you that. But you cant say that there arnt idiots in the 20's, 30's, 40's etc theres always some.
xxShadexx Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.06.03 03:42:00 - [27] I'm 17 and I passed my test in December, got only 1 minor mind u and have done my pass plus. Out of all my friends, I consider myself one of the safest and thats them and my family telling me that. I drive a Citroen Saxo 1.1 and tbh, its perfect. Gets me A to b np and uses little fuel, which atm is great with the petrol prices (97.9p anyone??). One thing I have learned though, is not be an idiot. I stick to the speed limits, but late at nights I do go over em. I know I shouldnt, but u get a thrill out of it. Anyway to the point, after my friend wrote off his brand new VW (dunno what model), another guy at my college writing off his newish BMW and my best mate crashing into a ditch, I've learnt my lesson, don't take risks. Its not worth it. I need my car mainly to see my girlfriend and to get to college and work, without it I'm screwed. But the main thing which scares me, is getting points on my license. 6 points and thats it, no more driving. My mate has already got 3 points on his after only getting his license for a month. Its your loss. Just think about it, if I was u, I would stick with the mini ----------------------------------------- I wish I could change my name...

lordharold Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.06.03 09:11:00 - [28] Originally by: Verone First of all I think you guys both need to cool off. Ok I've removed some not-needed comments from this thread, I know you've both got very strong arguments but try and discuss them rather than insult each other. -Lord Harold forum rules \| mods@ccpgames.com \| Our Website

FireFoxx80 Caldari E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.06.03 09:57:00 - [29] Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 03/06/2007 09:58:01 Just to reiterate Verone's comments really. A lot of the time, it has very little to do with your own knowledge of the car's handling, and so much else to do with other people's knowledge of driving. I've been driging my trusty K-plate Astra for 4 years now, since I learnt to drive (I am 27, learnt at 23). Driving the hour home from work, down country lanes at speeds that were more suitable for an Impreza. Trust me, when you spend 6 months driving down near abandoned country lanes, you end up pushing the speedo just a little bit more at each bend. Now, whilst the worst I have experienced is clipping off my wingmirror, and shredding my tires; I was driving it on the edge. Quite simply, if there had been a car or person on the wrong place in the road at that time of night, someone would have died. Fortunately I now live much closer to work, and the speed limit is a moderate 30mph. But this is just a tale that it's not about the car, it's about your overconfidence in the car. Aaron, I really think that none of us mean offence. We've just all known someone in your situation (just passed, with a lot of cash), whose gone out and purchased a powerful car; only to be in the situation above and do some damage with it. Hell, I knew someone who was as shy as anything, got an XR3i 3 weeks after passing his test, and then turned into a complete **** (before crashing). Personally, I'd love to own an Impreza. And saying that, I probably would drive it like an ass once or twice. But my insurance for the Astra last year was ú280 TPF&T Edit: What I am trying to say is, we'd hate to see another Eve player obituary. So by all means, buy an Impreza, just don't let the power go to your head. Oh, and have you seen the Smart Roadsters? I had a go in one of them once, had the turbo uncapped. Was absolutley mental. What I do the rest of the time - Vote for a Jita bypass!
Aaron Zebulun	Posted - 2007.06.03 10:06:00 - [30] Originally by: FireFoxx80 Edited by: FireFoxx80 on 03/06/2007 09:58:01 Just to reiterate Verone's comments really. A lot of the time, it has very little to do with your own knowledge of the car's handling, and so much else to do with other people's knowledge of driving. I've been driging my trusty K-plate Astra for 4 years now, since I learnt to drive (I am 27, learnt at 23). Driving the hour home from work, down country lanes at speeds that were more suitable for an Impreza. Trust me, when you spend 6 months driving down near abandoned country lanes, you end up pushing the speedo just a little bit more at each bend. Now, whilst the worst I have experienced is clipping off my wingmirror, and shredding my tires; I was driving it on the edge. Quite simply, if there had been a car or person on the wrong place in the road at that time of night, someone would have died. Fortunately I now live much closer to work, and the speed limit is a moderate 30mph. But this is just a tale that it's not about the car, it's about your overconfidence in the car. Aaron, I really think that none of us mean offence. We've just all known someone in your situation (just passed, with a lot of cash), whose gone out and purchased a powerful car; only to be in the situation above and do some damage with it. Hell, I knew someone who was as shy as anything, got an XR3i 3 weeks after passing his test, and then turned into a complete ** (before crashing). Personally, I'd love to own an Impreza. And saying that, I probably would drive it like an ass once or twice. But my insurance for the Astra last year was ú280 TPF&T Edit: What I am trying to say is, we'd hate to see another Eve player obituary. So by all means, buy an Impreza, just don't let the power go to your head. Oh, and have you seen the Smart Roadsters? I had a go in one of them once, had the turbo uncapped. Was absolutley mental. The thing that really got me ed off was the fact that as soon as i mentioned my age i got flamed by everyone for being a young recless driver Thats what i call ageism (sp?) Yeah ill floor it from time to time, but only on the striaghts, and most of the time im driving to and from work, and ive been doing that road for nearly 7 years now, so i kinda know the road well And as for keeping the mini, nope, its a rusty hell hole that keeps eating my cash, and really isnt suitable for cruising at 70, which is what i need more and more these days Oh and im not a ***** chav, id say i was slightly more emo, but then I really dont care what people think of me, I've got no gf, therefore I've got money to spend on the one thing i love, driving

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