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speedo
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: speedo on 02/06/2007 18:41:46 Hi all,
I like a hell of a lot of people who play eve like to play other aspects of the game, be it mining, building, ratting, missions etc etc
I have been into 00 and lost everything due to some war being dec and getting ganked, or kiiled by some pirate.
I understand 00 is PVP, but why cant you have it like other game switchable? on/off?
people will then be able to go out to low sec, mine and earn billions like other games, then when they want to pvp just switch it on.
You could have 00 as PVP, but 0.5 to 0.1 as switchable, that way the PVP devs are happy, and 50% of Eve is happy in .5 - .1
If this isnt possible, how about not loosing your ship? look at star sonata, you turn into a ghost and cant enter your ship until after a certain time. You would enter your ship with damaged mods, or possibly destroyed ones (Random) the ship will also be damaged into structure and require repair.
That way the market prices wouldnt be so dam unfair and high. it would ballance the game out.
I know there are the PVP people out there, but is that all they want? is eve soley just for them, or is it like a 50/50 split?
I will be leaving Eve soon because of the unfair PVP system, I am posting here because somebody has to ask the devs to make it more fair.
If you ignor or push aside this then CCP will ultimatly loose valued players like me. and before anyone asks i have been playing eve for ages, beein in PA and the wars and lost everything, not due to fighting, due to trying to get out, it's not fair when you dont want to fight yet the agressors kill anyone and everyone, if it was switchable i could have got out and left the PVP people to it.
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Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:48:00 -
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EVE can be harsh....
Life isnt fair, EVE reflects life.
I am sorry a valued player like yourself is quitting
ohhh and BTW i guess this is a joke, if not
Originally by: Jiekon/CCP
If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
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Druadan
Gallente Aristotle Enterprises Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:48:00 -
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Can __________________________________________________
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:49:00 -
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Short answer no.
Don't like the way things are? You can go to another game. What you are proposing is not even remotely attracting.
Originally by: speedo I understand 00 is PVP, but why cant you have it like other game switchable? on/off?
Because EVE is not like other MMOs?
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Hindoor
DragonForce inc
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:49:00 -
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Can i have your stuff?
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speedo
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:51:00 -
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yep its a shame i have to go, maybe one person shouting out will encourage others to post there frustration to the whole PVP issue.
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purebred
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: purebred on 02/06/2007 18:51:42
Quote: Short answer no.
Don't like the way things are? You can go to another game. What you are proposing is not even remotely attracting.
Well here is a blunt answer from probably a PVP person... just goes to show the whole attitude towards non PVP i guess
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Einheriar Ulrich
Minmatar FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:56:00 -
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Edited by: Einheriar Ulrich on 02/06/2007 19:00:22
Originally by: purebred Edited by: purebred on 02/06/2007 18:51:42
Quote: Short answer no.
Don't like the way things are? You can go to another game. What you are proposing is not even remotely attracting.
Well here is a blunt answer from probably a PVP person... just goes to show the whole attitude towards non PVP i guess
It is ,has and will proberly always be a PvP game, it started like that as an idea from CCP, because no other game had it....so i guess you proberly signed on to the wrong game....for explanations PvP(Player versus Player), does not have to involve pod combat
Originally by: Jiekon/CCP
If you are sitting with a guy and he says "ok, i'm logging off now" and you shoot him, that is fine.
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Firkragg
Blue Labs Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:57:00 -
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How come people cant understand a simple risk reward stucture. In highsec the risk is low but so are the rewards as mining veld hardly brings in alot of cash. In low sec the rewards go up but the risks are higher as you can be engaged in pvp. In 0.0 you get the best reqards but run the risk of being engaged anywhere without any help.
If anything this risk rewards structure is a little unbalanced towards none pvpers atm as it is possible to make more money money in high sec that it is in low sec by running missions etc.
Also how are market prices damn high and unfair? atm id have to say that prices have dropped massivly recently especially for tasty T2 toys.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.06.02 18:59:00 -
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Edited by: Mithrantir Ob''lontra on 02/06/2007 18:59:24
Originally by: purebred Edited by: purebred on 02/06/2007 18:51:42
Quote: Short answer no.
Don't like the way things are? You can go to another game. What you are proposing is not even remotely attracting.
Well here is a blunt answer from probably a PVP person... just goes to show the whole attitude towards non PVP i guess
The funny thing is that i am not a "PvP all the time" person. And i don't think i am that much of a pvp person. I do missions, try research etc etc etc. Still i don't like the original post content and still i stand by what i said
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Flaming Lemming
Caldari Puppeteer Press
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:00:00 -
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I'm a carebear, born and bred. I've mission ground standings to 10 with multiple corps.
The OPs idea is absolutely, 100%....... wrong.
EvE is designed to be a dangerous, unfair, vicious game. The risk of loss adds an edge to this game you can't find aywhere else. what is proposed is in 100% opposition of the whole meaning of the game. I'm not trying to be a *****...but if you don't like the reasoning behind the game, find another. No such thing as bad press! |
Sul Condbax
Open Season
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:00:00 -
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ahahaha, very funny
8/10
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purebred
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:00:00 -
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Well the T2 Exhumers, Covert ships, AF, certain BS's. Let alone BPO's it's driven by PVP and corrupt builders pushing up prices.
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:02:00 -
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Unless your at war, avoiding PvP is easy, even in lowsec, and if your at war all the time and you don't want to be then your just in the wrong corp.
I'm sure there will never be a lesser penalty for death in Eve, nor should there be, unless you fly T2 or capitals then all death costs you is your insurance money and your fittings, its really not so bad as long as your earning a large enouth quatity of isk to offset the cost of what you fly.
I'd go so far as to say that the ballance is allmost perfect right now, and givin that at least half of the Eve community are empire / 0.5+ based and are doing just fine, i'd have to question weather it wasent your play style that was to blame for haveing such a rough ride? -
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wierchas noobhunter
LFC FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:05:00 -
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i hope this is joke or else .. die die die
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speedo
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:06:00 -
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Hmm rough play style :/
I have done lots of PVP, and been to 00 a lot, had wars. Trouble is a lot of ppl i speak to are fed up with it, they pay to play the game, but are stuck in some station due to wars.
I personally am rather bored with the PVP aspect and constant wars. I have hoped for some time to have PVP like WOW, modified to fit Eve, or have 00 as PVP land, everything else as an option, unless wars is dec, even then in .8-1.0 are safe.
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DHB WildCat
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:06:00 -
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You're kidding rigfht!? This is obviously the wrong game for you, good bye and enjoy WoW.
WildCat
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Sergeant Spot
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:07:00 -
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I'm long on record supporting a safe and profitable 0.5+ for players like yourself.
But as soon as you step 0.4 or below, there is, and should be, risk of pvp.
The heart of Eve is pvp, especially in 0.4 and below. While I often argue that Eve has other important and vital aspects that are worthy of play in their own right, I have always conceeded that PvP is the heart of Eve (Although a heart by itself is a quivering chunk of meat, rapidly dying of cellular asphyxiation. The non-pvp parts of Eve are also vital).
The best stuff SHOULD be in 0.0, and players SHOULD have the option to use brute force to monopolise such prime resources for themselves.
I have no problem with players living in 0.5+, never facing pvp and STILL having a profitable game doing a variety of things (I'd even add an agent option that prevents a 0.5+ agent from offering missions in 0.4 and below)
But those of us who take the dive into the shark filled waters SHOULD get something more.
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Admiral Pelleon
Caldari The Dystopian Concept Pride - Honor - Duty
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:07:00 -
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9/10
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speedo
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:12:00 -
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Edited by: speedo on 02/06/2007 19:11:10 lol i have to laugh, most of the ppl responding to this thread are PVP orientated. Common you non PVP ppl tell everyone what YOU really think of the PVP system, what YOU want changed. Maybe thenthe devs will do it(although i have been told they are totally PVP orientated which is UNFAIR)
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Igus
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: Igus on 02/06/2007 19:15:52 Edited by: Igus on 02/06/2007 19:15:28 PvP in Eve:
Not about fairness, its about the gank, the ganke, and preying on the weak. Thats probably the best way to describe it really.
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Sasakisan
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:17:00 -
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This game is harsh by design and is meant to be a niche game played on one server. However, this game design is not mutually exclusive with the development of a second space game with friendlier mechanics aimed at a mass market.
There's another space game in development based on a top science fiction franchise with beta scheduled for later this year that has a lot of the features that you seem to want. You may be happier playing that game as the aspects of this game that seem to aggravate you are probably not going to change much.
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speedo
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:19:00 -
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You mean Start Trek online by any chance??
Im a sci-fi fan, so naturally ill look at it, just i have been playing Eve since after the beta and it seems to be going down hill with PVP and all thats happened recently
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Major Stormer
Caldari Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:20:00 -
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Go away. Even if its a joke its not funny.
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wierchas noobhunter
LFC FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:38:00 -
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Edited by: wierchas noobhunter on 02/06/2007 19:36:57
Originally by: speedo Edited by: speedo on 02/06/2007 19:11:10 lol i have to laugh, most of the ppl responding to this thread are PVP orientated. Common you non PVP ppl tell everyone what YOU really think of the PVP system, what YOU want changed. Maybe thenthe devs will do it(although i have been told they are totally PVP orientated which is UNFAIR)
THIS IS PVP GAME NOW GET THE HELL OUT OF HER !!!!!!
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bluecheast
Four Rings D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:39:00 -
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*click* plz -------------------------
{Experienced} 0.0 Corp Looking For PvP'ers
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Thanos Draicon
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: speedo Edited by: speedo on 02/06/2007 19:11:10 lol i have to laugh, most of the ppl responding to this thread are PVP orientated. Common you non PVP ppl tell everyone what YOU really think of the PVP system, what YOU want changed. Maybe thenthe devs will do it(although i have been told they are totally PVP orientated which is UNFAIR)
I'm a full-on carebear and I support the posters in this thread. I like the way PvP works in EVE, because players aren't pampered with a completely safe environment everywhere. If you don't want to PvP at all you can stay in empire space and stay in a starting corporation, and have a perfectly reasonable lifestyle there, making close to the amount of money people living in 0.0 make (possibly more when you factor in ship losses to said PvP). Non-consensual PvP and the fact that losing your ship is painful is what makes EVE unique, what makes your heart race whenever you see someone open fire on you. Without that, EvE would be greatly diminished.
I don't PvP myself, though I do live in low-sec space so sometimes it comes to me...but every time it's been a thrill. -------- "The easiest way to 'fix' Eve is to ruin CCP's credibility in the industry, and totally ******* ruin their White Wolf RPG by epic degrees of ****gotry and griefing" -Dawnfiend, Goonswarm |
Selene Fenestre
Lemuria Prospecting
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Posted - 2007.06.02 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: speedo Edited by: speedo on 02/06/2007 19:11:10 lol i have to laugh, most of the ppl responding to this thread are PVP orientated. Common you non PVP ppl tell everyone what YOU really think of the PVP system, what YOU want changed. Maybe thenthe devs will do it(although i have been told they are totally PVP orientated which is UNFAIR)
I suck at PvP, dreadful at it. Just awful. BUT... I would not change it for the world. Even in the form most non-lowsec'ers encounter - ore thieves - its EXCITING!
Remove it, and you remove the point of Eve.
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Alty MacAlterson
Alt Corporation
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Posted - 2007.06.02 21:16:00 -
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Or you could play WoW
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Plaetean
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.02 21:28:00 -
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Eve is not WoW in space, sorry if that's what you were hoping. PvP in eve is non consentual, that is the essence of the game.
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