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Tana Recruiter
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:10:00 -
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Bob do not actually have that many players they essentially work like the mafia, a small number of pure PVP players (still a good 300) who have large good quality high power ships, and they basically charge people to run business's in their "turf" they rely on these renters to defend their territory. So basically bob storm in wipe out an enemy take their territory and then stick some pos's up and rent access to the local stations and asteroid belts. Charging in the rnage of 500 million a month, or 6 billion for an alliance.
This is BOB's power, they can JUST PVP without the need for mining to maintain their infrastructure due to the renters doing this for them. Now rent is not easy to make without a LOT of mining and ratting especially since the mineral crash. It is very easy to disrupt these mining OP's and lone ratting BS using npc setups are VERY easy to *****and kill.
So kill bobs income, kill bob, to do this a large enough corp/alliance simply needs to setup a single external PVP corp using a alt account. Fund this corp with pure cash, give them ships, and train them well while never letting any of them know who is actually supplying the ISK for their ships. if even just 5 alliances did this. that could be 5 20 man teams making rent mining impossible. while leaving no target for BOB to kill.
The only ships these guys should use would be inties and stealth bombers, this will keep costs low and provide a lethal quick strike squad. Do not allow them to use implants, replace their ships and train them to work well in a team. Gate camps cannot stop you if you can mwd at 5k a second in a small ship. 8 Stealth bombers can insta pop a bs if the all decloak and fire at the same time before the poor sod even knows to turn on his modules.
All you have to do hit a bob gate camp MWD through it (you are near impossible to stop or catch) then fly to the renting spots and kill as many miners and ratters as possible, keep moving and you can keep an entire system from daring to carry out a mining op or ratting. The renters will not be able to mine and pay rent, will then give up and leave. Do this to all bob rental systems every day and they suddenly lose their main income plus the "free" firepower they get from the renters. The alliances who pay bob rent to live in these systems will also leave if nobody can mine an outpost suddenly earns no money from "pet tax" (FIX as an example)
I estimate that a pure pvp interceptor corp with all ships bought by a anon alliance or corp, would cost 200 million a month to run, costs could be reduced by t2 loot. This would be reduced as the pvp'rs get better and more organised and hence lose less ships. While they could cause over 2 billion in damage from lost rent and ship kills.
You want the bob monopoly to end? Then create a pvp inty corp and fund them to *****bobs renters. There is no way to stop a fast moving well trained inty fleet and they can cause a hell of a lot of damage. Just do your intel find the sweet spots where miners like to mine and hunt bobs renters. Not much bobs titans or motherships can do about it either. And you know what else?
It will be sooo much fun.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:13:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 04/06/2007 11:13:00 This is what the Coalition thought at the beginning of the war. As a result, they targeted renters and "BoB pets" instead of BoB itself.
They were hilariously wrong.
Most people strongly underestimate BoB's industry.
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Marisal
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:15:00 -
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Oh dear how wrong you are, and this should be on COAD anyway.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:17:00 -
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I concur with the op. Please do this to keep our GBC residents happy and with plentiful pvp.
Thanks, dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Tana Pleiades
Caldari The Fighting Mongooses HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: Tana Pleiades on 04/06/2007 11:19:16 never work dude
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:20:00 -
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Edited by: DB Preacher on 04/06/2007 11:19:45
Originally by: Tana Pleiades
Quote: This is what the Coalition thought at the beginning of the war. As a result, they targeted renters and "BoB pets" instead of BoB itself.
They were hilariously wrong.
The key thing is that as you said "the coalition" tried this what wrong with this? Everyone knew it was the coalition! I am suggesting large alliances create covert strike corps that have no ties to the alliance and no alliance themselfs. Ie no target for bob to fight against just lots and lots of seemingly independant 20 man pvp corps. It would be easy to recruit for as well I mean free ships! constant PVP! fun fast moving PVP at that! and it doesnt matter if a spy gets in as the financer is never revealed to anyone than the corp ceo who puts the money in the bank and buys the inties in bulk.
Might wanna have used your other alt there Tana Pleiades
EDIT: I'm too fast for j00 :D dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tana Pleiades
Quote: This is what the Coalition thought at the beginning of the war. As a result, they targeted renters and "BoB pets" instead of BoB itself.
They were hilariously wrong.
The key thing is that as you said "the coalition" tried this what wrong with this? Everyone knew it was the coalition! I am suggesting large alliances create covert strike corps that have no ties to the alliance and no alliance themselfs. Ie no target for bob to fight against just lots and lots of seemingly independant 20 man pvp corps. It would be easy to recruit for as well I mean free ships! constant PVP! fun fast moving PVP at that! and it doesnt matter if a spy gets in as the financer is never revealed to anyone than the corp ceo who puts the money in the bank and buys the inties in bulk.
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Tana Recruiter
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:21:00 -
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Edited by: Tana Recruiter on 04/06/2007 11:21:20 Not my char using my bros machine I dont have a active account any more. So no the owner of this account didnt post that.
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Tana Recruiter
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:24:00 -
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Edited by: Tana Recruiter on 04/06/2007 11:24:34
Quote: Just having someone else do it doesn't make the tactic more effective.
Well it does because you cant stop the flow of money, and you cant win a war against what would effectively be terrorists without a face. Even though bob are huge they would basically have no one to throw their huge war machine at.
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DB Preacher
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tana Recruiter Edited by: Tana Recruiter on 04/06/2007 11:21:20 Not my char using my bros machine I dont have a active account any more. So no the owner of this account didnt post that.
well wtf are you posting on eve-o for, go play wow or whatever crap you are playing these days and let us peeps who actually play the game do stuff.
dbp
Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
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Fanjita
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:25:00 -
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Originally by: Tana Recruiter Edited by: Tana Recruiter on 04/06/2007 11:21:20 Not my char using my bros machine I dont have a active account any more. So no the owner of this account didnt post that.
account sharing eh? thats bannable you know
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:27:00 -
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Edited by: Garia666 on 04/06/2007 11:32:16 why would you kill bob?
Trust me by the time you are a skilled player the only real option to go is to join BoB.
They do what they say.. They keep there word. they have strong leader ship which is there biggest foundation.. They got the experience..
They dont have much fun and its hard to get accepted in BoB but when you do..
Dont get me wrong i aint kissing ass here..
I always was anti bob.. the attitude allone is enough to dont`like em.. but when LV went down, my view about BoB changed dramaticly.
They got my respect.
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Lizaa
Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:32:00 -
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Ya I could see how this could work. Kinda like dressing yourself up like a cupcake and hurling your self at a fatkid. It would b a messy ending to say the least.
more dots plz
Lizaa Director of GriefTactics StudiosÖ
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:33:00 -
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Originally by: Garia666 They dont have much fun and its hard to get accepted in BoB but when you do..
Don't have much fun? We have a lot of fun!
Epic goals and massive wars, conquering space and building an empire... that's a lot of fun.
How could attempting to take over all of Eve not be fun?!
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Coupo
Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 04/06/2007 11:19:45
Originally by: Tana Pleiades
Quote: This is what the Coalition thought at the beginning of the war. As a result, they targeted renters and "BoB pets" instead of BoB itself.
They were hilariously wrong.
The key thing is that as you said "the coalition" tried this what wrong with this? Everyone knew it was the coalition! I am suggesting large alliances create covert strike corps that have no ties to the alliance and no alliance themselfs. Ie no target for bob to fight against just lots and lots of seemingly independant 20 man pvp corps. It would be easy to recruit for as well I mean free ships! constant PVP! fun fast moving PVP at that! and it doesnt matter if a spy gets in as the financer is never revealed to anyone than the corp ceo who puts the money in the bank and buys the inties in bulk.
Might wanna have used your other alt there Tana Pleiades
EDIT: I'm too fast for j00 :D dbp
dude.. get off the forums :)
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Blacklight
Originally by: Garia666 They dont have much fun and its hard to get accepted in BoB but when you do..
Don't have much fun? We have a lot of fun!
Epic goals and massive wars, conquering space and building an empire... that's a lot of fun.
How could attempting to take over all of Eve not be fun?!
yeah thats tru all the action that you guys see is top of the bill dont get me wrong.. But when your new in BoB its hard to get tru and accepted.. And because of the professionalism it can be less fun...
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umop 3pisdn
Minmatar Republic Military School
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:36:00 -
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Originally by: Fanjita
Originally by: Tana Recruiter Edited by: Tana Recruiter on 04/06/2007 11:21:20 Not my char using my bros machine I dont have a active account any more. So no the owner of this account didnt post that.
account sharing eh? thats bannable you know
No it isnt.. not since bobs cynonet/cap pilot sharing and LV's GM Titan sharing were uncovered...
That and the rest of the stuff uncovered by kugu...
Funny how that works isnt it.
Got MSN?
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bloomich
Trotter's Independent Traders Co
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:37:00 -
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If you think you can beat bob by attacking bob tennents, then you have already lost. Bob act like a military, and have local police force alliances. This means that industral corps can focus on what they do best insted of investing three quarters of the corp wallet into capital ships and gank squads. In other words, on any level, corps can focus on what they do best.
The other thing to note is that bob have a crazy industrial base. I mean, if you can plan and manage to pump out outpost after outpost, mothership after mothership, titan after titan, then thats saying something about your industrial base.
PvPers that are dedicated tend to be great industrialists as well, since they understand the demand better than someone who never pvp'ed in their life.
Anyway, you dont take over the bob "nation" by attacking the man in the street (tennent). All that does is encorage the nation to rise up against the invaders, as is the case currently with d2's collapse
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Buyerr
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:39:00 -
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this wouldn't work... and still bob's dev/gm/isd freinds would know what corp was the isk provider... and if things got to hard, well then there is the "buy isk option".
but fine idea.
although you have to face it, as long as bob is the dev/gm/isd alliance, you will never be able to kill it or even hurt it.
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DgO4
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Lizaa Ya I could see how this could work. Kinda like dressing yourself up like a cupcake and hurling your self at a fatkid. It would b a messy ending to say the least.
more dots plz
more dots! k stop dots.
We are the pilgrims, Master, We will always go a little farther.....
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3card Monty
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Tana Recruiter Bob do not actually have that many players they essentially work like the mafia, a small number of pure PVP players (still a good 300) who have large good quality high power ships, and they basically charge people to run business's in their "turf" they rely on these renters to defend their territory. So basically bob storm in wipe out an enemy take their territory and then stick some pos's up and rent access to the local stations and asteroid belts. Charging in the rnage of 500 million a month, or 6 billion for an alliance.
This is BOB's power, they can JUST PVP without the need for mining to maintain their infrastructure due to the renters doing this for them. Now rent is not easy to make without a LOT of mining and ratting especially since the mineral crash. It is very easy to disrupt these mining OP's and lone ratting BS using npc setups are VERY easy to *****and kill.
So kill bobs income, kill bob, to do this a large enough corp/alliance simply needs to setup a single external PVP corp using a alt account. Fund this corp with pure cash, give them ships, and train them well while never letting any of them know who is actually supplying the ISK for their ships. if even just 5 alliances did this. that could be 5 20 man teams making rent mining impossible. while leaving no target for BOB to kill.
The only ships these guys should use would be inties and stealth bombers, this will keep costs low and provide a lethal quick strike squad. Do not allow them to use implants, replace their ships and train them to work well in a team. Gate camps cannot stop you if you can mwd at 5k a second in a small ship. 8 Stealth bombers can insta pop a bs if the all decloak and fire at the same time before the poor sod even knows to turn on his modules.
All you have to do hit a bob gate camp MWD through it (you are near impossible to stop or catch) then fly to the renting spots and kill as many miners and ratters as possible, keep moving and you can keep an entire system from daring to carry out a mining op or ratting. The renters will not be able to mine and pay rent, will then give up and leave. Do this to all bob rental systems every day and they suddenly lose their main income plus the "free" firepower they get from the renters. The alliances who pay bob rent to live in these systems will also leave if nobody can mine an outpost suddenly earns no money from "pet tax" (FIX as an example)
I estimate that a pure pvp interceptor corp with all ships bought by a anon alliance or corp, would cost 200 million a month to run, costs could be reduced by t2 loot. This would be reduced as the pvp'rs get better and more organised and hence lose less ships. While they could cause over 2 billion in damage from lost rent and ship kills.
You want the bob monopoly to end? Then create a pvp inty corp and fund them to *****bobs renters. There is no way to stop a fast moving well trained inty fleet and they can cause a hell of a lot of damage. Just do your intel find the sweet spots where miners like to mine and hunt bobs renters. Not much bobs titans or motherships can do about it either. And you know what else?
It will be sooo much fun.
Bob is the 2nd largest alliance in eve. They have massive high sp member base (highest in eve). They have a huge industry wing to support a massive pvp base. They walk on water, turn water into wine, and if what i hear is right SirMolle has personally parted the Vapor Sea with the simple waive of his hand.
How do you beat BoB... i dont know...but im guessing you have to treat them like pitbulls...shoot it, kick it, stab it...drop a damn house on it if needed. If that doesnt work try again with new tactics, and a bigger house.
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CHIKA QRE
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:52:00 -
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Edited by: CHIKA QRE on 04/06/2007 11:52:04
Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 04/06/2007 11:13:00 This is what the Coalition thought at the beginning of the war. As a result, they targeted renters and "BoB pets" instead of BoB itself.
They were hilariously wrong.
Most people strongly underestimate BoB's industry.
How many members did FIX loose after they were attacked? Don't lie DS, don't lie as you know the truth. Same happened with many other BOB pets, and BOB just bribed some more like youwhat etc. BOB is weakened and their time is ticking away.
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bloomich
Trotter's Independent Traders Co
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Posted - 2007.06.04 11:59:00 -
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Originally by: CHIKA QRE Edited by: CHIKA QRE on 04/06/2007 11:52:04
Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 04/06/2007 11:13:00 This is what the Coalition thought at the beginning of the war. As a result, they targeted renters and "BoB pets" instead of BoB itself.
They were hilariously wrong.
Most people strongly underestimate BoB's industry.
How many members did FIX loose after they were attacked? Don't lie DS, don't lie as you know the truth. Same happened with many other BOB pets, and BOB just bribed some more like youwhat etc. BOB is weakened and their time is ticking away.
Call me an idiot, but dident the northern coalation lose almost all their space, their outposts as well as corps/alliance disbanding after attacking fix? An old saying about people throwing stones from glass houses.
Its a bit like saying - "I punched Mike Tyson, he is weakened. He did break every bone in my body, but they point is......."
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Bienurdau Hywoaf
Minmatar Matari Holo News Network
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Posted - 2007.06.04 12:02:00 -
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The best way to defeat BoB or any of the major powers is to wait for Revelations 2.
While some of the new POS structures will be more beneficial to the large alliances, the fact that all the defenses and these new structures will be outside the force field.
What this will do is open things up to more gorilla tactics. Folk s will be able to cause damage without actually attacking the tower. If someone doesn't replace the defenses or repair them it just leaves the POS open up to even more attacks from larger fleets. Basically you'll see a lot of hit and runs.
I think that this will also force many of the small to mid size alliances/corps out of 0.0 because they will not have the numbers to compete. They also will not have the funds to constantly replace defenses, unlike the larger alliances who will be able to weather the economic impact more readily.
Those forces with the most members will find it better able to use their numbers. They will be able to effectively split up hitting dozens of systems at once in gorilla hit and run styles. It will still take a good size cap fleet to effectively remove the POSs, but if someone removes your defenses in a dozen or so systems, its gonna be a lot harder to figure out where they are gonna hit with the hammer. Idea: Treaties Idea: Jump Rigs |
Eemaavi
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.06.04 12:03:00 -
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Bobs dirty little Secret?
Bob-Space has effectively made their areas of operation like Empire....Except no CONCORD or Pie-Rats!
Sure the Renters have to pay but considering the resources in 0.0 available to a corp that has its stuff together(and that is important), the rent is not so bad (especially compared to the costs of defending your space and maintaining Sov). And you don't have to worry about Bob-Alts Ganking you for "hijinks and LOLS". (at least not yet)
For all the whining and Crying over how big and Ebil BoB is, their "Empire" is safer than 1.0 space (as long as your Blue that is.) Don't belive me? You think this is Bob-Alt Propaganda? (I'm and Alt sure but not BoBs)Do you honestly think that BoBs success is because they have Dev "Friends" and POS Bowling? If so, take your tinfoil hat off and take some lithium. The OP is is Right, BoB does work like the Mafia, whereas another group works like ******* Cowboys...one is predictable and business oriented if somewhat ruthless and merciless. The other is wildly unpredicatable and will shake your hand and gank you or scam you with an Alt.
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Susan Acid
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.04 12:05:00 -
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Originally by: Tana Recruiter Edited by: Tana Recruiter on 04/06/2007 11:21:20 Not my char using my bros machine I dont have a active account any more. So no the owner of this account didnt post that.
How about you reactivate your account and join someone who's fighting BoB instead of using an alt to play armchair general and make yourself look silly?
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.04 12:13:00 -
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Originally by: Bienurdau Hywoaf What this will do is open things up to more gorilla tactics.
What are gorilla tactics? Chestbeating and posturing to intimidate opponents before going in for a fight? Sounds more like BoB is using gorilla tactics
Simple spelling lessons for forum posters: A point is moot, not mute Guerilla tactics are different from gorilla tactics.
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Ares Lightfeather
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.04 12:17:00 -
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To me, to beat bob, there is only a few solution : - use the same system (which seems the most effective), - wait for revelation 2 and hope that the change benefit you more than it benefits them, - find a better system (good luck).
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.04 12:20:00 -
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Originally by: CHIKA QRE Edited by: CHIKA QRE on 04/06/2007 11:52:04
Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 04/06/2007 11:13:00 This is what the Coalition thought at the beginning of the war. As a result, they targeted renters and "BoB pets" instead of BoB itself.
They were hilariously wrong.
Most people strongly underestimate BoB's industry.
How many members did FIX loose after they were attacked? Don't lie DS, don't lie as you know the truth. Same happened with many other BOB pets, and BOB just bribed some more like youwhat etc. BOB is weakened and their time is ticking away.
Actually, FIX is larger than at any other time during its history.
We have more members, more stations, and more ISK!
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Hail Xenu
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Posted - 2007.06.04 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari Edited by: Dark Shikari on 04/06/2007 11:13:00 This is what the Coalition thought at the beginning of the war. As a result, they targeted renters and "BoB pets" instead of BoB itself.
They were hilariously wrong.
Not a bad tactic really, and it was pretty fun killing piles of ex-ASCN, the problem was that once a couple renters were unable to pay their rent and got kicked out, then there were half a dozen new ones waiting to move in, fuel the POS and help bob hold the space. At this point that's far, far more important than a few bill of isk per month(i think like 6-7bn is what the highest rent sum is, which is nothing). If it wasn't for bobs roughly 12,000 pets, not counting non-alliance, then they would at least have some fairly tired logistics people.
But that's besides the point, no one was under the illusion that killing a few pets would break bobs wallet, bob is mostly 3-4 year old players and anyone that's played for even a year or two will have more money than they know what to do with it all. Especially if you are even slightly hardcore, which again, most of bob are. Once you find a way to make a lot of isk then the billions pass by very, very quickly. And none of them involve sitting as an easy target in a belt, except maybe multiboxing 6-7 hulks, but that's a lot of effort really..
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