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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.05 00:19:00 -
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http://www.tenthdimension.com/flash2.php
Then just click on the spinning spiral on the right to start the explanation animation.
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Mother Clanger
Royal Amarr Institute
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Posted - 2007.06.05 00:34:00 -
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"So far so good."
Err......
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Plaetean
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.05 00:58:00 -
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That's fascinating
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.05 01:08:00 -
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Edited by: Dark Shikari on 05/06/2007 01:12:57
Decent, but quite simplified--it declares such concepts as quantum many-worlds theory to be just a "single dimension", when in reality such a phase space would require an unimaginably large number of dimensions to describe.
In effect it creates a new concept of "dimension" that isn't exactly an actual dimension, but rather what the author says a dimension is. For example, the "8th dimension" he describes would probably take at least 20-30 actual dimensions to represent.
Basically he's redefined "dimension" to mean "phase space of any number of dimensions necessary to describe a specific set of concepts that can vary." It works and helps visualization, but it means he's not actually describing "dimensions."
The real problem with this video is that at the end, it makes a connection to String Theory, which is a completely invalid comparison--the 10 spatial dimensions in String Theory are completely unrelated to the concepts described in the video. This is an extremely deceptive comparison to make.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.05 01:17:00 -
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Its also mind-bendingly difficult to picture. I was with him up to number 8, which is where I think he started making it up
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.05 04:54:00 -
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The way Hawking explained dimensions in 'a brief history of time' seems clearer to me, as a definition of how many coordinated you'd need to know to pinpoint a location in a given x-dimensional space.. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected] with a link to your signature. - Elmo Pug |
RedClaws
Amarr Dragon's Rage Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.06.05 07:44:00 -
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note that this of course is a theory and probably quite far from how the universe and all that is build up.
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Ifni
Applied Eugenics
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Posted - 2007.06.05 09:42:00 -
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The site seems nicely designed to convey its own 10 dimensional theories. However, it's going to be inherently tricky to convey since he's using a 2d medium to convey multiple dimensions.
Being 3d beings, we can fundamentally understand the representations of 3d objects to a 2d medium, however, certain flaws become evident when the number of dimensions shown increases; simply the analogies used to express the dimensions are simply that. Analogies.
Without being able to visualise and interact with 10 dimensions in the same fashion as we do with the standard 3, there will always be faults with this method of teaching.
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bloomich
Trotter's Independent Traders Co
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Posted - 2007.06.05 10:55:00 -
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Of course, this is all baised on the assumption that Gravity theory is correct. If it turns out that, for example, gravity is just the rate of uniform molecule expaction (i.e the book does not fall to the ground, the ground rises to the book due to everything expanding) then all this ten dimension stuff becomes nonsense. But then again, such theories are nonsence, so thats science for today.
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Mr Jay
Armoured Assassins
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Posted - 2007.06.05 18:47:00 -
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I fell asleep at stage 2.
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Mtthias Clemi
Gallente Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.05 21:42:00 -
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God his voice is annoying -------------------------------------------- Stay away from my signature all of ya!!! IM WARNING YOU!!
PEW PEW PEW PEW!
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Ashdh
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Posted - 2007.06.06 09:34:00 -
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Dimensions 8 and 9 make no sense. As soon as infinity is brought into such a model surely by its very presence there is a jump to the 10th dimension, ridding us of the 8th and 9th?
Also, refering to ifni's point, would you say then that there are flaws with the teachings, if real understanding is gained of all dimensions , when expressed in analogies less than 3d? Without trying to be arrogant, surely then you come across inherant issues with a number of the dimensions rather than the problems of teaching/comprehension of actuality and the context of meaning due to our 3d existence and current understanding of such things through maths? |
smashsmash
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Posted - 2007.06.06 09:53:00 -
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flatlanders give me nightmares... or should i say flatmares.
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Skuld OdinsDottir
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Posted - 2007.06.08 21:19:00 -
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i don't understand it :-( i got lost at the 3rd dimesnion with something with folds :-(
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l3lind Man
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.09 00:35:00 -
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definitely the biggest load of crap I have ever taken in such a short amount of time. that was lulz.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:15:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Friendly on 10/06/2007 15:16:34 Unfortunately, any such explanations fall prey to the 'analogy problem'. 'It's like' means 'I'm talking out of my ass for you r benefit'... sadly unless you understand the fundamental mathematics, it's all gobbledogooo***ze.
Pity 99.9999% of us; we're too stupid to get it at all.
Fun stuff, though
I for one welcome our new 10-dimensional overlords! Bounded infinities ftw!!!
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Nekuva
The SMITE Brotherhood Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:47:00 -
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Originally by: l3lind Man definitely the biggest load of crap I have ever taken in such a short amount of time. that was lulz.
Elaborate? -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
Originally by: Haffrage One does not simply log in to Jita.
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das licht
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.10 15:59:00 -
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Did not follow the link to watch it. All I can say is that a multi dimensional thing is an awesome thing to have. Why? Because it is good for you. Really!
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.10 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nekuva
Originally by: l3lind Man definitely the biggest load of crap I have ever taken in such a short amount of time. that was lulz.
Elaborate?
See my post at the top of the thread.
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Lisento Slaven
Amarr Vendetta Underground Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:07:00 -
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I can follow what he's trying to explain but how exactly does one go about trying to prove this sort of stuff anyways after you review research and come to these theories? In this scenario wouldn't you have to like...prove the dimension one at a time to exist...and then...uhhh...at some point (if you got that far) you'd have to prove the multiple infinities...which is as he says different beginnings which aren't included in the other infinities (infinity is probably a bad word to use, since it doesn't really encompass all the possibilities, it just includes all possibilities for x starting method/point in this).
Idea is cool and I follow it just not more I can say about it.
I still think space whales are more important the player base. ---
Put in space whales!
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Friendly Edited by: Mr Friendly on 10/06/2007 15:16:34 Unfortunately, any such explanations fall prey to the 'analogy problem'. 'It's like' means 'I'm talking out of my ass for you r benefit'... sadly unless you understand the fundamental mathematics, it's all gobbledogooo***ze.
Pity 99.9999% of us; we're too stupid to get it at all.
Fun stuff, though
I for one welcome our new 10-dimensional overlords! Bounded infinities ftw!!!
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Constantine Arcanum
IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: l3lind Man definitely the biggest load of crap I have ever taken in such a short amount of time. that was lulz.
can you please explain why? instead of saying something smug and trying to look clever?
sorry m8 i'm not usually like that but it wound me up.
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Pehova Mindtriq
Endgame.
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Posted - 2007.06.10 20:46:00 -
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wtf is 3d?
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Krexus
Amarr Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.10 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Krexus on 10/06/2007 21:44:01 so ... if you are a 'flatlander' there would be no fat people? .....
oh wait no, mario is d2 and he's tubby.
i might visit them when i go to d2 land...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler You're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.06.10 22:54:00 -
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I don't think that 8th dimension made any sense. They treat starting point of infinity as an absolute beginning with nothing before it, which is not possible due to the law of conservation of energy. If you we go with the big bang, then there would have to be a universe before it that collapsed into an object that than exploded.
So really, it ends with the 7th dimension as they describe it. Just an infinite number of scenarios without beginning or end.
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Vari
Carbide Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Tecam Hund I don't think that 8th dimension made any sense. They treat starting point of infinity as an absolute beginning with nothing before it, which is not possible due to the law of conservation of energy. If you we go with the big bang, then there would have to be a universe before it that collapsed into an object that than exploded.
Right man doood I TOTTTALY foolow what you're sayin mannn. I may not tomorrow man, dood, I understand reallly.
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.06.10 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: Tecam Hund on 10/06/2007 23:52:07
Originally by: Vari
Originally by: Tecam Hund I don't think that 8th dimension made any sense. They treat starting point of infinity as an absolute beginning with nothing before it, which is not possible due to the law of conservation of energy. If you we go with the big bang, then there would have to be a universe before it that collapsed into an object that than exploded.
Right man doood I TOTTTALY foolow what you're sayin mannn. I may not tomorrow man, dood, I understand reallly.
Indeed. There is a typo where I was trying to come up with a thought dammit. It should read "If we would go with the big bang theory, then...".
What I meant is that number of different possible beginnings for infinite number of different infinities is impossible. If we start with some random beginning and then take into account all possibilities they will loop back onto what we started with at some point or another; or any possibility can be a beginning of another infinite number of possibilities.
In short there is only one "number of infinite possibilities". That's why his explanation of 8th and 9th dimensions seem to be completely made up to me.
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Dan Grobag
Caldari ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:07:00 -
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who wants some of my great mindfloods here ? you will see as many dimensions as you take pills
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.15 00:50:00 -
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Bbut IIIIII diiddddddd.
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Originally by: Wild Rho I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
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