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Kehmor
Caldari The Movement
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Posted - 2007.06.06 00:31:00 -
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Edited by: Kehmor on 06/06/2007 00:29:59 Well I'm bored so I'm going to break trend from the ussual pitiful whinings I witness on this section of the forums, about the travesty of an alliance actualy achieving PVP goals as apposed to whoring complexes and the like. Recently a disgusting number of posts have cropped up claiming that BoB are ruining the game and "once they conquer all 0.0 everyone will quit." I will ignore, for the moment, the idiocy of these claims and put it to you that BoB are actually saving a potentially very boring aspect of the game. 0.0 wars.
What other alliance so frequently agresses and provokes. With the introduction of capital ships, player owned stations and the like, wars take a huge amount of organisation, and it is BoB leading other alliances in the continuation of the large scale conflicts of eve, despite the logistical nightmare they present. While other corps, alliances, etc. would be more than content warring for a few months or even weeks before returning to the dull safety of whoring isk, BoB not only punish this behaviour but also provoke others so much that they want to fight.
So thank you BoB for giving me something to read about in the morning and taking eve in it's true spirit.
P.S. No, I'm not a BoB alt, or a GM, or a dev, or a BoB pet nor even a fanboi. My last relations with BoB were all hostile though I must admit far from extensive. To be honest I haven't had anything to do with 0.0 politics for well over a year, which is the way I like it. Flame away kids.
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Stakhanov
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.06 00:33:00 -
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Edited by: Stakhanov on 06/06/2007 00:32:24 You ! Stop being so right dammit
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Aya
Asguard Security Service Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.06 00:44:00 -
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We need a forum rule that if u make a thread about BoB or goons the devs ban you from life
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Attak
Trioptimum FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 00:44:00 -
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Thanks but no thanks. BoB trying to eliminate 0.0 territorial gameplay for other players is not a service. When I want someone else to choose my playstyle for me, I'll go play WoW.
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Rubra
J. S. Bach In memoriam
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Posted - 2007.06.06 00:50:00 -
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Thank you for yet another BoB thread. No, really, I mean it.
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Kehmor
Caldari The Movement
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Posted - 2007.06.06 00:53:00 -
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Originally by: Attak Thanks but no thanks. BoB trying to eliminate 0.0 territorial gameplay for other players is not a service. When I want someone else to choose my playstyle for me, I'll go play WoW.
It has been said many times, eve is a game about PVP. So actually BoB provide the territorial gameplay.
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Scum Killer
Hang'em High
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Posted - 2007.06.06 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor Edited by: Kehmor on 06/06/2007 00:29:59 Well I'm bored so I'm going to break trend from the ussual pitiful whinings I witness on this section of the forums, about the travesty of an alliance actualy achieving PVP goals as apposed to whoring complexes and the like. Recently a disgusting number of posts have cropped up claiming that BoB are ruining the game and "once they conquer all 0.0 everyone will quit." I will ignore, for the moment, the idiocy of these claims and put it to you that BoB are actually saving a potentially very boring aspect of the game. 0.0 wars.
What other alliance so frequently agresses and provokes. With the introduction of capital ships, player owned stations and the like, wars take a huge amount of organisation, and it is BoB leading other alliances in the continuation of the large scale conflicts of eve, despite the logistical nightmare they present. While other corps, alliances, etc. would be more than content warring for a few months or even weeks before returning to the dull safety of whoring isk, BoB not only punish this behaviour but also provoke others so much that they want to fight.
So thank you BoB for giving me something to read about in the morning and taking eve in it's true spirit.
P.S. No, I'm not a BoB alt, or a GM, or a dev, or a BoB pet nor even a fanboi. My last relations with BoB were all hostile though I must admit far from extensive. To be honest I haven't had anything to do with 0.0 politics for well over a year, which is the way I like it. Flame away kids.
Its an interesting point of view and may appeal to many who are happy to mission/mine/NPC their life away.
A Bob poster in another topic said something along the lines that Bob live to shoot stuff. What will they do with nothing left to shoot? Invade low sec, war dec every empire corp in turn. Whats the point in having 1000's of capital ships and Titans with nothing left to DD or blow up?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.06 00:56:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Attak Thanks but no thanks. BoB trying to eliminate 0.0 territorial gameplay for other players is not a service. When I want someone else to choose my playstyle for me, I'll go play WoW.
It has been said many times, eve is a game about PVP. So actually BoB provide the territorial gameplay.
Territorial gameplay existed before BoB.
It will continue to exist after BoB.
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Lobo13
The Movement
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Posted - 2007.06.06 00:58:00 -
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Does this mean bob are no longer blue to us?
Lobo13.
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Dominixa
Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 01:02:00 -
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Stop posting this crap or go find someone to waggle up to. If your so high on a certain alliance try and join them or something, but don't make a billion threads here proclaiming it.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.06 01:09:00 -
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As much as it pains me to admit this, I agree with you Kehmor.
I've always hated BoB because they're too big, too powerful, and keep destroying people. I want to root for the underdog.
But in the most recent case, these underdogs have been whiny *****es who choose to complain, start crap, and meta game when they start to lose. Most of what I have seen from BoB are shouts of "Hey you! Lets fight!" and that's winning me over.
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ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.06 01:14:00 -
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Y'know, it's funny, I was reading back in the early pages of this forum to try and find some old threads about alliances back in the day that everyone thought were unbeatable and would take over completely (almost all of them are gone now), and I noticed people were a lot nicer and more polite to eachother on the forums in the earlier days of Eve... -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it. |
Red Crown
Kudzu Collective Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.06.06 01:14:00 -
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You are either very misguided or very much a fanboi.
True, in many ways the galaxy had ground to somewhat of a halt with their either being small wars or the slowly progressing RA-GOON vs. LV bit. BoB did indeed accelerate the galaxy into a massive conflict.
To what end...
"Live free or die."
So what happens after we're all paying rent to our new BoB overlords? We uh....um...to use your term, ***** ISK and roam in gangs accomplishing no strategic goals.
I can't tell you how long BoB will hold together "once BoB wins", I don't know much of how they work internally. But I'm telling you, the true spirit of Eve involves more than working out regional struggles whilst under the watchfully father knows best and will crush you if he feels like it eye of BoB.
I could go on for a few more paragraphs how a dominant figure in a PvP society such as BoB is bad for any game, and compounded for Eve due to the 'SP Gap' that can never be solved, but you can extrapelate on that if you so choose.
In other news, I , for one, welcome our new BoB overlords. - "The Mains Created the alts They rebelled They look...and feel...human Some are programmed to think they are human There are many alts. And they have a plan." - Forumstar Galactica |
Sir Lolle
Amarr Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.06 01:20:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Attak Thanks but no thanks. BoB trying to eliminate 0.0 territorial gameplay for other players is not a service. When I want someone else to choose my playstyle for me, I'll go play WoW.
It has been said many times, eve is a game about PVP. So actually BoB provide the territorial gameplay.
Territorial gameplay existed before BoB.
It will continue to exist after BoB.
While much ado has been made about these recent 'mechanized guns' that the British have been using, I am not at all concerned about them and am confident that the cut and thrust of the cavalry brigade shall always have a place in modern warfare. Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected][orange] with a link to your signature. - Elm |
ArcticFox
Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.06 01:30:00 -
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Edited by: ArcticFox on 06/06/2007 01:31:19
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Attak Thanks but no thanks. BoB trying to eliminate 0.0 territorial gameplay for other players is not a service. When I want someone else to choose my playstyle for me, I'll go play WoW.
It has been said many times, eve is a game about PVP. So actually BoB provide the territorial gameplay.
Territorial gameplay existed before BoB.
It will continue to exist after BoB.
While much ado has been made about these recent 'mechanized guns' that the British have been using, I am not at all concerned about them and am confident that the cut and thrust of the cavalry brigade shall always have a place in modern warfare.
I approve highly of this style of counterargument, and I think we all know your argument is reinforced by the clear fact that a British Empire will never fall or diminish.
Face it, superpower PvP alliances have been around for a long time in Eve and they have always eventually come down. Unless you get a situation like Eve China where macromining megacorp owners pay people to sit online bored patrolling space and squashing every tiny resistance that pops up, no group will be able to keep the interest of its own pilots well enough to maintain a hold over even most, much less all, of Eve.
The most amazing thing to me is how well BoB's PR machine has convinced everyone that they even really do want to crush all opposition and control all of Eve, much less actually can. -------------------------- There is only one +6 sword of WTFPWN in Eve, and only the lag is allowed to equip it. |
Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Ore Mongers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.06 01:40:00 -
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Originally by: Attak Thanks but no thanks. BoB trying to eliminate 0.0 territorial gameplay for other players is not a service. When I want someone else to choose my playstyle for me, I'll go play WoW.
Wait, so your argument is (summarizes):
1. "I want to play my game however I want it without other player interference." 2. BoB prevents me from doing that by interfering with how I want to play. (Attack me) 3. Interfering with my gameplay is similar to the experience of WoW.
Which I translate as:
1. I don't want non-consensual PvP. 2. I don't want non-consensual PvP. 3. I don't want non-consensual PvP.
Why not just draw the conclusion and go play WoW on the PvE-server of choice?
EVE _is_ all about non-consensual PvP man.
You're playing the wrong game.
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Martin Mckenna
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.06 01:43:00 -
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Stop posting stupid posts!!!!
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Kingdoc
Phoenix Knights Dark Nebula Galactic Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.06 02:35:00 -
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Originally by: Martin Mckenna Stop posting stupid posts!!!!
I read that as: " stoop stoping posters stupid!!!!"
yay beer! ================================== Wars of aggression are popular nowadays with those nations convinced that only victory and conquest could improve their material well-being. ~Ludwig von Mises |
Uuve Savisaalo
Rage and Terror
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Posted - 2007.06.06 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Uuve Savisaalo on 06/06/2007 03:21:43
there has been a lot of needless bitterness and spite from both sides. Snide chest-beating on one end matched only by baseless accusations from the other that, put mildly, are painfuly out of touch with reality. I think it is important to remember, and this said no to trivialise how seriously things said and done here are taken in any way, that this is a game after all, and we are here to have fun. And though we could use less of the aforementioned patronising attitude and genuine ill will that makes one wonder if CCP will hire guards for november, it is good to have worthy advesaries.
besides, this is the only game where conflicts over territory have any real effect on playerbase at large. Eve is the definition of non-consensual everything which is precisely the reason we (I for one?) love it.
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Tecam Hund
The Buggers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 03:25:00 -
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Originally by: Attak Thanks but no thanks. BoB trying to eliminate 0.0 territorial gameplay for other players is not a service. When I want someone else to choose my playstyle for me, I'll go play WoW.
Haha, how are they eliminating territorial gameplay for other players by making them fight for that territory? 0.0 is the most boring place in the whole game without conflict.
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Mebrithiel Ju'wien
Omerta Syndicate Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.06 03:28:00 -
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Embrase the dark side, Kehmor: You're a fanboi
In all seriousness though, Kehmor has been bringing up various sensible and well thought out arguements... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL KEHMOR?!
Well posted btw.
Good girls go to Heaven. Bad girls get drunk and pew pew in Delve. |
Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.06.06 03:30:00 -
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Only CCP can ruin the game.
Rudolf: "I was sworn to absolute secrecy by Santa Claus." |
Rudy Metallo
Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.06 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Rudy Metallo on 06/06/2007 03:31:32 Yay BoB alt thread.
J/k, <3 Kehmor.
And agreed. Even though I dont live in .0, it's nice to have a good battle report then and again. Say what? |
Emrod
Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.06 03:35:00 -
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Moral Boost post gonna destroy Eve.
stop that
I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P |
Lord XSiV
Amarr Digital Research - Omega Protocol
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Posted - 2007.06.06 04:08:00 -
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Edited by: Lord XSiV on 06/06/2007 04:08:00 Actually this is the best thing to happen for the game. It shows that Eve reflects modern day society and survivalist rules that govern nature. CCP has truly provided a balanced playground and once again it goes to show that when dealing with humans, the cream of the crop will always succeed and prevail over the meak and lazy.
Point in question, BoB unarguably has the best talented player base and has a far superior strategy to any other 'alliance' in the game. As part of the strategy, they have extended their area of influence to include like entites by forming agreements in place to multiply their capabilities. Just like in real life, successful people attract each other like magnets. Because of this you get smart people doing smart things and committed to the same ordeals. BoB has shown to maintain focus in the face of adversity and regardless of what your opinion is, Molle, BL, Dianbolic and company should be given the credit they deserve for these accomplishments. Maintaining the structure and discpline; forming a sound strategy and following through with the execution of the plans is no small feat in any arena whether it be real life or in game.
Their opponents on the otherhand have been a complete contridiction. Rather than have any type of strategy, organization or maintained focused, they relied upon sheer numbers of unskilled players to try and accomplish something that would have resulted in failure anyhow. The reality is that the leaders of the opposition just didn't have the leadership skills or strategic know how to look past anything 2 days in duration. This isn't an insult; it is just a state of fact. Added to this, those individual leaders would much rather blame the game for their deficiencies, use out of game shenanigans and even go to the extent of skewing the industrial balance by using its playerbase to generate in game currency with real life money through the use of the time card system. Everything negative that they spewed about BoB was in fact just a smoke screen for what they were doing which by all accounts is unacceptable to the playerbase. Getting to the root drivers of leadership, the majority wer eonly in those roles to promote their own personal advancement (ahem wallet) at the cost of others' hopes and dreams. A true statement would be that they are no better than other scam schemes that exist in Eve.
Quite simply put, Bob is structure and order whereas their opponents are chaos and anarchy.
Structure and order will always win. Human beings are just that way. Eve is no different.
As for the end of Eve because of the solitary rule - highly unlikely. If anything the order and structure BoB would bring to 0.0 space would do nothing but benefit the game. No longer would you have a certain alliance trying to destroy the game as they have a reputation for in other games; the opportunity to use some of the more lucrative revenue parts of the game (complexes) that have been traditionally monopolized by a certain alliance and most importantly there will no longer be many hurdles newer players experience trying to get to 0.0.
If you don't agree with the above, well that is ok. Not everyone has the intellect to look at the bigger picture or the comprehension skills to understand that there is more to the game than blobbing in t1 frigates.
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Nilit
Minmatar Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 04:19:00 -
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Do you lecture sociology or economics at university by any chance ?
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Sir Lolle
Amarr Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.06 04:33:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Lolle on 06/06/2007 04:33:17
Originally by: ArcticFox Edited by: ArcticFox on 06/06/2007 01:31:19
Originally by: Sir Lolle
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Attak Thanks but no thanks. BoB trying to eliminate 0.0 territorial gameplay for other players is not a service. When I want someone else to choose my playstyle for me, I'll go play WoW.
It has been said many times, eve is a game about PVP. So actually BoB provide the territorial gameplay.
Territorial gameplay existed before BoB.
It will continue to exist after BoB.
While much ado has been made about these recent 'mechanized guns' that the British have been using, I am not at all concerned about them and am confident that the cut and thrust of the cavalry brigade shall always have a place in modern warfare.
I approve highly of this style of counterargument, and I think we all know your argument is reinforced by the clear fact that a British Empire will never fall or diminish.
Face it, superpower PvP alliances have been around for a long time in Eve and they have always eventually come down. Unless you get a situation like Eve China where macromining megacorp owners pay people to sit online bored patrolling space and squashing every tiny resistance that pops up, no group will be able to keep the interest of its own pilots well enough to maintain a hold over even most, much less all, of Eve.
The most amazing thing to me is how well BoB's PR machine has convinced everyone that they even really do want to crush all opposition and control all of Eve, much less actually can.
The point wasn't that empires never rise or fall, it was that warfare can be revolutionized and changed permanently. Because of the intense power concentrated within super-capitals and the fact that you need to already be an established and spectacularly rich 0.0 alliance to have them means that the door is pretty much closed to new alliances attempting to become powerful. 20 motherships, 5 titans and 50~ dreadnoughts with carrier and pet support will put a pretty serious damper on any empire-building on the part of a non-BoB entity fairly quickly, no? Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected][orange] with a link to your signature. - Elm |
prothuskus
eXceed Inc. INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.06 05:02:00 -
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RL has enough bs to annoy us all for decades. Don't worry about trivial matters in a game, and enjoy the fun that is pew pew. Stuff happens so deal with it or gtfo. |
Zagum Darkfin
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 05:07:00 -
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If you look back, you will see a few big alliances spewing garbage on the forums ( CA anyone?) and they are no longer around. Don't forget about The Five, CA, SA, ASCN, XETIC, FE, G, PA and FA alliances. All big alliances that had various goals of conquest and ideas of fun. It just so happens BOB is still around and possesses the some of the many good parts from the previous alliances. The only way to kill an alliance is from themselves or from the inside. Those alliances who survive in 0,0 will either get stronger or die off. For example, RA is still around and always a good fight to have. Strong wills bring strong alliances.
This lastest fiasco is low by any past standard and should not be acceptable to any EVE player.
The OP is correct, PVP in EVE will be boring if there was no one to stirr the pot. PVP games play off of people, the game just allows the events to unfold on multiple levels. Good posts so far.
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Rajon Kelper
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 05:16:00 -
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Originally by: Scum Killer What will they do with nothing left to shoot?
There will aways be something to shoot. ------------------------
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