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Liu Kaskakka
PAK
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aya According to BoB recruitment you need like 20M SP and 2 friends that can back you. How else to make friends then ass kiss them on the forums so when he goes to apply a few people will say "I know him, he gave me a rusty trombone in the eve-o forums once." Please this is nothing more than a "CAN I JOIN BOB" thread. It fails move on
Kehmor got so served!
/me breakdances in kehmors face
ps. you still owe me 5m! -_-
King Liu is RIGHT!!
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Shin Ra
BURN EDEN
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: Aya According to BoB recruitment you need like 20M SP and 2 friends that can back you. How else to make friends then ass kiss them on the forums so when he goes to apply a few people will say "I know him, he gave me a rusty trombone in the eve-o forums once." Please this is nothing more than a "CAN I JOIN BOB" thread. It fails move on
If this is what you think, then you FAIL at EVE and at life.
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Darcuese
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:39:00 -
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Originally by: Shin Ra
Originally by: Aya According to BoB recruitment you need like 20M SP and 2 friends that can back you. How else to make friends then ass kiss them on the forums so when he goes to apply a few people will say "I know him, he gave me a rusty trombone in the eve-o forums once." Please this is nothing more than a "CAN I JOIN BOB" thread. It fails move on
If this is what you think, then you FAIL at EVE and at life.
Indeed, alltough asskissing is commom thing both in RL and EVE me, myself and I ------> |
Famine Aligher'ri
V i L e
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:46:00 -
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Yepyep, kind of agree with the OP too. Gives me something to read as well when there is a BE post
BoB doesn't affect my game play at all. I think anyone getting upset because they are playing EVE how it was designed, should just really go back to empire and continue mining rocks.
I do hope to see BoB fall being it's been so long but they have proven that leadership and working together as well following a ruleset pays off in the long run. Let that be a lesson to all the new alliances who recruit just based of SP other than looking at the pilot really.
Cheers!
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quellious
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:51:00 -
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Yet another 'not so usefull thread'.
However, I would have agree with original proposition IF fighting BoB was not sooooo boring.
I personnaly don't think that killing the most chalendging ship in game (titan) twice offline, is what we can call 'providing PvP fun/experience'.
I just miss the time when fleet battle was not about having a spy on each other TS.
(Note: as you have certainly guess i personnaly think that BoB is actually ruining PvP experience in this game, and i don't think that the purpose of this thread is to change our mind). -
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Ann Ripley
Caldari FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:52:00 -
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Why do ppl always whine about bob.. BoB this and BoB that.. Either get better at pvp, organize and beat them or stfu and stop complaining about someone that is clearly supperior to you in millitary might.. "Insert witty comment here" |
Dawn Princess
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.06 11:57:00 -
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Edited by: Dawn Princess on 06/06/2007 11:58:00 I would have to disagree with the OP.
Not everyone wants to fight all the time, some people like logistics and empire building, sim city in space is just as valid a model for fun for some people as CS in space. I much preferred to the old posititon with the North and the South balanced and engaging in fights with each other as and when it suited them.
There is no fun in fighting an enemy which is massively more suited to it than you are. How much fun did we have fighting BoB? Pretty much none. How much fun did TS have fighting us? Pretty much none.
Compare this to the fun we had fighting G/IRON and vice versa - lots, because you didnt go into every fight knowing you were going to lose every time.
Having an entity like BoB in the game is like having AC Milan join your local amatuer league. People like playing people of a similar level that they have a chance of beating, not someone that wins the title every time and stuffs you 5-0. You could say "well you should learn from playing a better team", possibly but all I learnt from my experiences was not to log in after the inveitable node crash, that it helps if you have multiple super-capitals and limitless isk and that trying to fight people that live the game with a mixture of semi-experienced pvpers and newbies is a recipe for disaster.
Now this will probably get countered with the same old "do something about it then" calls, but tbh if people could be bothered to do something about chances are they would be the kind of people that are more than likely already in bob, the rest lack either the long-term mentality, time and/or ability (or in my case all three) to mount a challenge.
Anyway, thanks for letting everyone rehash the same arguments for the 100th time (I have mine saved as a word doc to just cut and paste which saves me a lot of time).
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Zzleeper
Amarr levisomnus spectatrix
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Posted - 2007.06.06 12:14:00 -
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CCP has already screwed this game up for loads of peeps by alinging themselves up with BOD, no one will fight BOD now, since they are known to have High CCP staff within their ranks and cheat.
FREE KUGUTSUMEN (I have not seen any proof, by either BOD or CCP that he is a hacker) he's just being banned, because he spoke the truth! Cheaters never prosper! (only in EVE it seems)
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BOldMan
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Fire Hawk PvP is what keep eve alive. Politics is what keep pvp alive. PvP is what keep industry alive...
Better: PvP is what keep eve alive. Politics is what keep pvp alive. Industry is what keep politics alive...
Carebears win eve.
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Moustache Man
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Posted - 2007.06.06 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Moustache Man on 06/06/2007 12:42:37 Delete
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Remmington Daniels
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 12:44:00 -
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If everyone was so worried about us so called "Winning Eve"
Why don't you bring it? unlike Goons/RA/ASCN/KOS etc etc etc
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EzSnake
Caldari The Silent Rage R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.06 12:53:00 -
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Bah couldn't seem to post what I wanted without comin off as a bob-whine post :/
So all I got to say is:
You all know what means they used to get where they are..and I applaude those that refuse to use these paths and forge thier own 'accomplishments' the way the game was meant to get them!!!!
PS- BoB would probably die fast if only 1 thing happened............ They lose all thier god d*mn SPIES!!!!!!!!!!! No insider info and you can play tactics, just as much as they played tem against anyone else in this game so far!!
PS- sorry if came off as Bob-whine..i just have a great distaste for those that have to use game exploits and meta-gaming to achieve thier goals (PS- I hate RA far worse than I hate BoB..those guys are a complete waste of minerals/isk)!!!!! ________________________________________________ Next MMO |
Gabba
The Three Hundred
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Posted - 2007.06.06 12:56:00 -
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May the best metagamer win EVE!
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Gallente McNuggets
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Posted - 2007.06.06 13:17:00 -
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Quote: the cream of the crop will always succeed and prevail over the meak and lazy.
If by 'cream of the crop' you mean 'more members with too much spare time and nothing better to do than log in at 4am to siege a POS that just came out of reinforced', then yeah.
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Jan Riksma
Appetite 4 Destruction
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Posted - 2007.06.06 13:35:00 -
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Agreed,
Last thing BOB wants is to conquer all of eve. Maybe its a goal they have but if they conquer everything and have nothing to shoot, they will get bored and maybe disband and thats what they don't want.
Cheers,
Jan
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Zzleeper
Amarr levisomnus spectatrix
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Posted - 2007.06.06 13:37:00 -
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Dont Troll -Eldo Davip([email protected])
*Snip* for trolling in signature - Timmeh
Your signature exceeds the maximum allowed dimensions of 400x120 pixels -Scyd ([email protected]) |
Wesley Baird
Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 13:42:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor Edited by: Kehmor on 06/06/2007 00:29:59 While other corps, alliances, etc. would be more than content warring for a few months or even weeks before returning to the dull safety of whoring isk, BoB not only punish this behaviour but also provoke others so much that they want to fight.
I don't think you understand how BOB fight. They may claim to be all about the pew pew...but here is how it really goes...
Cyno Up Titan + massive support fleet enter (20+ haulers full of POS's) 1 hour later, 20+ POS's placed Sov changes - another system down...rinse and repeat...
I guess I missed the Pew Pew...it goes something like this...
"Cyno up....damn, I got DD'd "
Thanks for all the pew pew BOB....LOL
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DarkFenix
Caldari Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.06.06 13:50:00 -
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I would tend towards agreeing with the OP, BoB provide much of what makes 0.0 interesting; war. All these people going on about how they don't like their playstyle being dictated to them need a clue. 0.0 means you can do what you like. It also means your neighbour can do what he likes. If what he likes stops you doing what you like, that's part of the game. You can retaliate and bash him over the head with a big stick to stop him spoiling your fun. That's part of the game too. 0.0 is lawless, what's yours is what you can grab and hold onto.
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Sc0rpion
Archer Daniels Midland
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Posted - 2007.06.06 13:52:00 -
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Originally by: Lord XSiV Structure and order will always win. Human beings are just that way. Eve is no different.
That would be a violation of the laws of thermal dynamics. Civilizations are complex systems, and as such, require a constant input of energy to maintain order.
The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously. -Friedrich Nietzsche
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 13:53:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Baird
Originally by: Kehmor Edited by: Kehmor on 06/06/2007 00:29:59 While other corps, alliances, etc. would be more than content warring for a few months or even weeks before returning to the dull safety of whoring isk, BoB not only punish this behaviour but also provoke others so much that they want to fight.
I don't think you understand how BOB fight. They may claim to be all about the pew pew...but here is how it really goes...
Cyno Up Titan + massive support fleet enter (20+ haulers full of POS's) 1 hour later, 20+ POS's placed Sov changes - another system down...rinse and repeat...
I guess I missed the Pew Pew...it goes something like this...
"Cyno up....damn, I got DD'd "
Thanks for all the pew pew BOB....LOL
I don't think you have fought BoB very often if you think BoB is using the remote DD like that.
Ah NM checked the kill board. Now I KNOW you haven't fought BoB very often, or for that matter at all.
As a rule its best not to use forum smack as a means of determining how people really play the game.
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GoGo Yubari
Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.06 13:56:00 -
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Originally by: Mebrithiel Ju'wien In all seriousness though, Kehmor has been bringing up various sensible and well thought out arguements... WHAT HAVE YOU DONE WITH THE REAL KEHMOR?!
tbh, that's what I was thinking.
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The Beatnuts
UA Industry Red Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor I witness on this section of the forums, about the travesty of an alliance actualy achieving PVP goals as apposed to whoring complexes and the like.
Stopped there, sorry.
Don't speak english - f1, f2, f3
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Wesley Baird
Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:04:00 -
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Originally by: Herculite Now I KNOW you haven't fought BoB very often, or for that matter at all.
You don't KNOW anything, only what's on your KB...BOB have alts everywhere...hmmm...think anyone else has alts as well???
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Herculite
Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Wesley Baird
Originally by: Herculite Now I KNOW you haven't fought BoB very often, or for that matter at all.
You don't KNOW anything, only what's on your KB...BOB have alts everywhere...hmmm...think anyone else has alts as well???
No, I don't think your unnamed alt is a major BoB killer sorry. You have no idea how we fight.
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Trask Kilraen
The Older Gamers R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:10:00 -
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I don't have a problem with BoB kickin' ass within the rules of the game. And while some of their tactics have been, let's say, shady (Dev-gate, POS bowling, meta-gaming), it hasn't risen to the level of cheating. BoB are winning fair and square more or less.
CCP, however, SHOULD be concerned that a single entitiy could control all of 0.0. It would seriously impact their game, given the single-server architecture. It's a tough call for them. They want a vital, dynamic 0.0 life that (and here's the important part) attracts new players and their money, but they don't want to artificially move the goal posts all the time and alienate the long-term veteren players.
Frankly, I beginning to doubt BoB WANTS all of 0.0. What the hell would they do then? Squash little bugs and collect rent? To what end? My experience is that the average Bobbit wants to fight, not play a game of Space Mafia Enforcer. To continue getting fights, there needs to be space for an enemy to live. Unless they really DO intend to "win Eve" and go play POTBS.
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:11:00 -
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Originally by: Scum Killer
A Bob poster in another topic said something along the lines that Bob live to shoot stuff. What will they do with nothing left to shoot? Invade low sec, war dec every empire corp in turn. Whats the point in having 1000's of capital ships and Titans with nothing left to DD or blow up?
they will go play POTBS, duh.
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Marvn Riley
Amarr Elite Storm Enterprises Storm Armada
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:18:00 -
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Originally by: Etho Demerzel Actually for the most part of humanity's history chaos and numbers were much more successfull than structure and order. And in Eve that would happen too. If not by the limitations (proposital or not) of the game engine.
Not entirely correct. The bulk of conquest, is based upon some well documented concepts.
1. Employing a Superior weapon/tactic. 2. Proper understanding of logistical limitations. 3. Understanding, and using terrain to advantage. 4. Uproar East, Attack West. 5. Strike an Enemy's heart. 6. Fighting your war, not fighting the Enemy's.
The "numbers" game only gives a tactical/strategic advantage when all of the above are equal, which is rarely ever so. Each advantage on any of the above points, mitigates the numbers game somewhat. You can do the same job with less people. Gain an advantage on every one of these points, and numbers become almost inconsequential.
There is a final tactic/strategy, utilized in pre-historic hunting/raiding parties (as well as nature), that is coming back into style. It's actually referred to as "Swarming". To do it, you need small independent groups, willing to work in concert to bring about a greater end. It's cropped up from time to time throughout history to great effect; the steppe tribesmen utilized it in conjunction with the Horse, and the short bow... and devastated armies much larger then their own.
So yeah, you're wrong. It's not numbers. In fact, the only time it really IS numbers... is when every other aspect is equal. And even then, don't discount blind luck.
Starvn Marvn
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Tzrailasa
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tzrailasa on 06/06/2007 14:31:00
Originally by: Wesley Baird I don't think you understand how BOB fight. They may claim to be all about the pew pew...but here is how it really goes...
Cyno Up Titan + massive support fleet enter (20+ haulers full of POS's) 1 hour later, 20+ POS's placed Sov changes - another system down...rinse and repeat..."
Thanks for all the pew pew BOB....LOL
Well, you may say that the coalition has taught us well, because that (apart from the titans and support fleet), has been EXACTLY what they've been doing the whole war!!!!
Standard coalition strategy for (trying to) take a system has been to send in carriers during low-activity hours, and spam POS! If some of them gets blown up, put up some more! Throw ISK in front of the enemy and hope he tires. Never fight!
At NO time (when BoB fleets have been nearby) have the coalition tried to defend those of their POS we've been attacking (apart from a couple of RA dread gank squads). Neither have they attacked ours! We've shot hundreds of theirs!
Oh yeah, BoB are the ebil POS-spammers
Tell you what, I suggest the following rules for the system warfare between us: 1. Defender is allowed to put up 5 large POS in system. 2. Attacker is allowed to put up 2 large POS in system. 3. Nobody is allowed to put up more POS until the enemy's POS' are dead.
Deal? I'm fairly sure my alliance would go along....
...the words 'stone' and 'glass-house' springs to my mind for no particular reason.....
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Sir Lolle
Amarr Band of Brolols
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:47:00 -
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You BoB guys asking the coalition to bring it do understand that dropping two motherships and a titan on 8 goons doesn't count as small gang pvp, right. My apologies if we're not constantly suiciding fleets into doomsdays because you guys are bored, we're still trying to work up the money for some nano-naglfars you see.
Sig removed. If you would like further details please mail [email protected][orange] with a link to your signature. - Elm |
Wesley Baird
Ever Flow FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.06 14:55:00 -
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Originally by: Herculite No, I don't think your unnamed alt is a major BoB killer sorry. You have no idea how we fight.
You are 100% right, my alt is not a BOB killer, far from it! I think you mis-read my post, or mis-interpret it.
Let me state it clearly, from my experience, when BOB goes to war with you, they come in and make it impossible to respond (its a very well executed plan, done with overwhelming force).
Contrary to what the OP states, its not a fun pew-pew experience for the ones being attacked. Its very much a bad experience to be on the focus of BOB or MC for that matter.
Pew-Pewing with a BOB gank fleet is pretty fun...but war is not...
Don't read everything that everyone posts as smack...none of my posts are smack about BOB or their tactics...
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