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GROSSO
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Posted - 2007.06.07 10:32:00 -
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ok someone cry ... and you gonna nerf the drake whats the point ? drake have no damage to have a good tank... cant you see it ?
can you show me a drake killing a bs ? i can show you a myrmidon killig a bs... and i m not saying to nerf myrmidon.. is a good ship... i can live with that ... but stop nerfing because ppl cry . i dont wanna be trainning to ship... and then NERF .
TEST before launch the ships.
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Mortecai
Galactic Shipyards Inc HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2007.06.07 10:40:00 -
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oh cry me a river mate. It's not the drake nerf. It's the OMFGBBQWTF passive tank nerf. everyone knew it was coming because of the massive bonus it gave to certain ships.
And whenever after some changes or module addons there will come a new ship that with certain new setup becomes overpowered... you guessed it: it will get a balancing nerf.
Nanos got it, passive tanking got it, I have a feeling that NOS will get it etc..
And still there are people who like to fly the speed tanked ships and get nice kills. Yes they dont go superfast anymore, but still enough to be effective. So with the drake and other ships that were so well passively tanked. They wont be as good, but still very comparable with other setups.
Im sorry you lost your easy-mode playstyle. Come and join us in the normal difficulty section.
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Malcanis
High4Life Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 10:43:00 -
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Originally by: Mortecai oh cry me a river mate. It's not the drake nerf. It's the OMFGBBQWTF passive tank nerf. everyone knew it was coming because of the massive bonus it gave to certain ships.
And whenever after some changes or module addons there will come a new ship that with certain new setup becomes overpowered... you guessed it: it will get a balancing nerf.
Nanos got it, passive tanking got it, I have a feeling that NOS will get it etc..
And still there are people who like to fly the speed tanked ships and get nice kills. Yes they dont go superfast anymore, but still enough to be effective. So with the drake and other ships that were so well passively tanked. They wont be as good, but still very comparable with other setups.
Im sorry you lost your easy-mode playstyle. Come and join us in the normal difficulty section.
Speaking of "overpowered", I assume they myrmidon will have it's drone bonus changed to +5% per level for Gallante drones only...?
Or will the drake get +10% damage on all types of missiles now?
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Kiyano
Caldari Pilots Of Honour
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Posted - 2007.06.07 10:54:00 -
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They'll nerf the Myrmidon's ability to shield tank, it is in no need of a drone nerf however. A competent pilot can easily counter a Myrmidon.
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d026
THE LEGION OF STEEL WARRIORS.... R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.07 10:56:00 -
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Galente ships are fine.. But i also dont see why u have no nerf the drake. Drake sucks allready:)
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murder one
Gallente Death of Virtue Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.07 10:57:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Mortecai oh cry me a river mate. It's not the drake nerf. It's the OMFGBBQWTF passive tank nerf. everyone knew it was coming because of the massive bonus it gave to certain ships.
And whenever after some changes or module addons there will come a new ship that with certain new setup becomes overpowered... you guessed it: it will get a balancing nerf.
Nanos got it, passive tanking got it, I have a feeling that NOS will get it etc..
And still there are people who like to fly the speed tanked ships and get nice kills. Yes they dont go superfast anymore, but still enough to be effective. So with the drake and other ships that were so well passively tanked. They wont be as good, but still very comparable with other setups.
Im sorry you lost your easy-mode playstyle. Come and join us in the normal difficulty section.
Speaking of "overpowered", I assume they myrmidon will have it's drone bonus changed to +5% per level for Gallante drones only...?
Or will the drake get +10% damage on all types of missiles now?
What is overpowered? I don't understand.
Because I said so...
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ZenTex
Caldari Trade and Research Technologies R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.07 10:59:00 -
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The reason why many Drake pilots complain about the nerf is because the Drake is balanced. Sure, the passive tank is hard to break, but the damage output is horrible. It's hard to kill a drake, but it's hard to be killed by one too.
Easymode? In lvl 3 missions, sure. but the Drake was a sucky PvP ship, and will be near useless now due to low DPS.
There's little a sledgehammer can't fix. If you can't fix it, you need a bigger sledgehammer.
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Lysit Kaune
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:02:00 -
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Can anyone point to the specific patch notes or comment about how they are changing passive tanking? Couldn't find it in patch notes and seen it crop up a time or two in discussion.
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SFShootme
The Carebear Stare
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lysit Kaune Can anyone point to the specific patch notes or comment about how they are changing passive tanking? Couldn't find it in patch notes and seen it crop up a time or two in discussion.
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Aphotic Raven
Gallente E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Aphotic Raven on 07/06/2007 11:14:01
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Mortecai oh cry me a river mate. It's not the drake nerf. It's the OMFGBBQWTF passive tank nerf. everyone knew it was coming because of the massive bonus it gave to certain ships.
And whenever after some changes or module addons there will come a new ship that with certain new setup becomes overpowered... you guessed it: it will get a balancing nerf.
Nanos got it, passive tanking got it, I have a feeling that NOS will get it etc..
And still there are people who like to fly the speed tanked ships and get nice kills. Yes they dont go superfast anymore, but still enough to be effective. So with the drake and other ships that were so well passively tanked. They wont be as good, but still very comparable with other setups.
Im sorry you lost your easy-mode playstyle. Come and join us in the normal difficulty section.
Speaking of "overpowered", I assume they myrmidon will have it's drone bonus changed to +5% per level for Gallante drones only...?
Or will the drake get +10% damage on all types of missiles now?
As soon as my drones can 1 hit each of your missle launchers in turn, you can have your way...
If you fly a drone boat then you'll know the risks, not only in people attacking your drones but in having to warp and losing them that way.
When nos gets nerfed I hope the dominix gets a reasonable powergrid increase, it cant do much in way of blaster fittings in its current state.
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:44:00 -
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I figured this was coming, as I have seen researched BPO's for the Drake being offered at lower then normal prices. My only question is when did this info get out and to whom?
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Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:51:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai I figured this was coming, as I have seen researched BPO's for the Drake being offered at lower then normal prices. My only question is when did this info get out and to whom?
Drake nerf was known about a month ago i think - Changes were made on SiSi, there's another thread about it.
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max bygraves
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:53:00 -
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Originally by: Aphotic Raven
When nos gets nerfed I hope the dominix gets a reasonable powergrid increase, it cant do much in way of blaster fittings in its current state.
Its a drone boat.
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ElCholo
Minmatar FarCry Inc Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 11:58:00 -
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They not 'nerfing' drake .. just passive tanking on BC in general. Don't you wish you hadn't spent all that isk on rigs ??
Cheer up - with active tank and some damage mods a drake out dps a cerb .. u should try it sometime.
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Gojyu
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Posted - 2007.06.07 12:01:00 -
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Originally by: max bygraves
Originally by: Aphotic Raven
When nos gets nerfed I hope the dominix gets a reasonable powergrid increase, it cant do much in way of blaster fittings in its current state.
Its a drone boat.
Most drone boats can still mount guns. The dominix has one of the most gimped powergrids I've ever seen
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RogueWing
Evolution Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.07 12:24:00 -
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As a Drake pilot, I endorse the coming "nerf" to the T1 BC's....but I do not like the fact that they are nerfing the Command Ships as well....those should have been left alone...
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Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
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Posted - 2007.06.07 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: Gojyu
Originally by: max bygraves
Originally by: Aphotic Raven
When nos gets nerfed I hope the dominix gets a reasonable powergrid increase, it cant do much in way of blaster fittings in its current state.
Its a drone boat.
Most drone boats can still mount guns. The dominix has one of the most gimped powergrids I've ever seen
If you want to fit guns, sacrifice your tanking ability and equip as many RCU IIs as you need to fit the necessary guns.
Or you can train AWU V and rig Ancilliary Current Routers.
Full Tank + Full Gank != Balance
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Noluck Ned
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Aphotic Raven
When nos gets nerfed I hope the dominix gets a reasonable powergrid increase, it cant do much in way of blaster fittings in its current state.
I Dont see it happening but it makes me drool just thinking of it.
The passive tank had it good for a long time, besides the drake there are other ships such as the Vulture and Nighthawk of course which, when set up properly are pretty much unbreakable 1v1.
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parrowdox
Caldari K-lash-nek-off
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Posted - 2007.06.07 13:29:00 -
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dnt nerf the drake i love it
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F90OEX
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:47:00 -
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Fyi ...
Caldari will have another crappy ship (Drake & Nighthawk) to add to the list, like the Cerb and so on ..
SPR II current CPU requirements is 0.8 Over on the test server 17.6 cpu SPR I 20 cpu
Say goodbye to your Tech II HMLs and Large shield extenders II setups, for passive tanking.
It will be the same for the Nighthawk. Even with Max Elec/Eng skills, I can't see how its going to fit.
And before you say it, If the Drake was ALLL that, everyone and his mom would be flying one for pvp.
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.06.07 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: max bygraves
Originally by: Aphotic Raven
When nos gets nerfed I hope the dominix gets a reasonable powergrid increase, it cant do much in way of blaster fittings in its current state.
Its a drone boat.
Yeah that is why it has a large hybrid damage bonus also. Please go and read the info of Dominix at least.
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Katana Sengoku
Minmatar The Knights Templar Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:52:00 -
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I've scored many kills in my drake... even made a raven run away. Its on par with other battlecruisers in its class and compared to battleships, only a skilled pilot with the right fittings is capable of sustaining a good fight with one.
Battlecruisers were designed by the devs to be a less expensive counter to battleships... and they do that job well.
I don't feel it needs any nerf... neither does the passive tanking for that matter. Well skilled smaller ships should be able to sustain battles with larger ships. I've seen punishers take out caracals... should we nerf something there?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:54:00 -
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Originally by: Katana Sengoku I've scored many kills in my drake... even made a raven run away. Its on par with other battlecruisers in its class and compared to battleships, only a skilled pilot with the right fittings is capable of sustaining a good fight with one.
Battlecruisers were designed by the devs to be a less expensive counter to battleships... and they do that job well.
AFAIK, they were meant to be cruiser killers, as destroyers were meant to be frigate killers.
The fact that they can tank damage-fitted battleships means something is wrong.
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Kale Kold
Lensmen
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Posted - 2007.06.07 15:54:00 -
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Edited by: Kale Kold on 07/06/2007 15:54:21
Originally by: RogueWing but I do not like the fact that they are nerfing the Command Ships as well....those should have been left alone...
How are these being nerfed?
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Kehmor
Caldari The Movement
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:09:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Mortecai oh cry me a river mate. It's not the drake nerf. It's the OMFGBBQWTF passive tank nerf. everyone knew it was coming because of the massive bonus it gave to certain ships.
And whenever after some changes or module addons there will come a new ship that with certain new setup becomes overpowered... you guessed it: it will get a balancing nerf.
Nanos got it, passive tanking got it, I have a feeling that NOS will get it etc..
And still there are people who like to fly the speed tanked ships and get nice kills. Yes they dont go superfast anymore, but still enough to be effective. So with the drake and other ships that were so well passively tanked. They wont be as good, but still very comparable with other setups.
Im sorry you lost your easy-mode playstyle. Come and join us in the normal difficulty section.
Speaking of "overpowered", I assume they myrmidon will have it's drone bonus changed to +5% per level for Gallante drones only...?
Or will the drake get +10% damage on all types of missiles now?
does that mean we can shoot your missiles launchers off your ship from now on? if so i'm all for it.
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Janu Hull
Caldari Order of Z Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:15:00 -
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Originally by: ElCholo They not 'nerfing' drake .. just passive tanking on BC in general. Don't you wish you hadn't spent all that isk on rigs ??
Cheer up - with active tank and some damage mods a drake out dps a cerb .. u should try it sometime.
I run an active tank Drake. Even without rigs of any sort, its still a formidable tank. A cap injector, a Medium SB II, a full rack of four Hardeners, and Damage Control, with only 7800 points of shield, it can still rock the house in PvE.
Put BCS in the other low slots, a cap injector in the remaining midslot, a NOS in the last high slot (just to **** people off), pack Kinetic missiles, and unleash hell.
At gatecamp range, its got plenty of punch and you can laugh at people that call you Primary in a lowsec/raiding gang.
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Malcanis
High4Life Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Kehmor
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Mortecai oh cry me a river mate. It's not the drake nerf. It's the OMFGBBQWTF passive tank nerf. everyone knew it was coming because of the massive bonus it gave to certain ships.
And whenever after some changes or module addons there will come a new ship that with certain new setup becomes overpowered... you guessed it: it will get a balancing nerf.
Nanos got it, passive tanking got it, I have a feeling that NOS will get it etc..
And still there are people who like to fly the speed tanked ships and get nice kills. Yes they dont go superfast anymore, but still enough to be effective. So with the drake and other ships that were so well passively tanked. They wont be as good, but still very comparable with other setups.
Im sorry you lost your easy-mode playstyle. Come and join us in the normal difficulty section.
Speaking of "overpowered", I assume they myrmidon will have it's drone bonus changed to +5% per level for Gallante drones only...?
Or will the drake get +10% damage on all types of missiles now?
does that mean we can shoot your missiles launchers off your ship from now on? if so i'm all for it.
Sure, if our launchers never run out of ammo, don't stop working when we get ECM'd and have the ability to repair armour & shields or give EW effects.
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Ironnight
Caldari x13 Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.07 16:40:00 -
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You wanted longer battles, the passive tanks gives you that, now you want to nerf it? Cant really see a active tanked BC stand up to a BS.
If you want to nerf something, nerf NOS and Sensor dampeners, give them the same crappy chance to hit as ECM. And the dual armor reps, you know stuff I havent trained
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SARPIDON
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.07 17:19:00 -
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So the Drake had its extra missile slot nerfed from SiSi to tranq because the dps was unbalanced and now a passive tank nerf, great!! Yes I know its class wide but at least with the Drake the tank made up for crap dps. Now its got less than ideal dps and a reasonable tank. Could someone point out a strength cos I cant see one. - I'm not taking PvE as a strength as that covers most of the other caldari ships :P
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Jor Renalt
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Posted - 2007.06.07 17:32:00 -
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So I work my ass off to get into a Drake with T2 shield extenders and amplifiers and now my whole setup is going to be garbage? Nice.
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