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Souvera Corvus
Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:27:00 -
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Now, before we go any further, please note that this thread is not intended to refer to anything other than the strategic and tactical devices that BoB are using to engineer there current level of success in-game. It is NOT an invitation to post any further allegations, retread old allegations or incessantly flame, abuse or smack.
In this I hope we can all agree before the mods start getting all clickety-click.
Or am I being ambitious?
What I'm after is the opinion of those who are currently there doing the fighting in 0.0. I'm interested in the views of members of both sides but appreciate that members of BoB are highly unlikely to post in order to not divulge anything of interest to anyone else.
Looking at the alliance maps, the forums and even the New York Times, it would appear that they are currently unstoppable and that their eventual victory is probable. So how is it being achieved, and can it be stopped? If it can be stopped, how can it be stopped?
In short, can we have a bit of objective analysis, or at least a bit of analysis that is intended to be objective?
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SugarDaddy
Comando Vermelho R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:30:00 -
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Edited by: SugarDaddy on 08/06/2007 02:29:22 1st IBTL
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Bael'Zhaeron
Minmatar BaLaNcE Technology
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:31:00 -
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Edited by: Bael''Zhaeron on 08/06/2007 02:30:36 damn not 1st
and the answer to all your questions is .. uh .. no :)
edit - spelling :
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:31:00 -
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We have to be more ambitious than that...........
It's got be possible to talk about this without getting the damn thing locked??????
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Blacklight
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:33:00 -
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Here we go again
Blog
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Adm Tecumseh
Caldari Frequently Asked Questions
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:36:00 -
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deja vu.
ibtl
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:41:00 -
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u cant beat bob they will takeover 0.0
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:41:00 -
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Edited by: scabbsssjr on 08/06/2007 02:42:20 IBDS ibtl IABL (In After BlackLight)
Dude their is another thread about this on the next page ffs.
Edit:http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=532025 ---------------------------
Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:41:00 -
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Is this an FAQ then?
All I've seen is flamefests.............. |
band0fdevs
Gallente Band of Dev's
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:42:00 -
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FAQ aint a bad idea
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: scabbsssjr IBDS ibtl IABL (In After BlackLight)
Dude their is another thread about this on the next page ffs.
Yeah and look what it turned into.............. |
Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:44:00 -
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I'll assume you mean BoB and all their allies. The short answer, objectively (believe it, or don't), is that no they can't be stopped.
There are three primary factors that make me give that answer. - Momentum. While the North and South East had very significant momentum at the start of this war against BoB and their allies, they've completely lost it. Counters are minimal, it seems like everyone is just waiting their turn for the hammer to fall.
- Coordination and Cooperation. The war started off with a semblance of both for the Coalition, everyone appeared (from my vantage point) to be where they were supposed to be. It appears that it's a case of every alliance for themselves for the majority. As has been pointed out many times by others, the Alliance has a high degree of this quantity, much to their advantage.
- Stamina. The will to keep fighting is a decisive factor in war... I know about this aspect intimately. Members of the Coalition have bled off as this war progresses. By no means is there just the mopping up to be done, there is a great deal yet to be accomplished; that said, I'll take any bets offered on the final outcome.
Perhaps someone will somehow manage to turn it around, but frankly I doubt that will be the case. There will be a fair number of Coalition members that likely survive this war, but I never see the tables being turned so completely in the other direction again for the duration of it.
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scabbsssjr
Gallente M'8'S Frontal Impact
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:45:00 -
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Originally by: Souvera Corvus
Originally by: scabbsssjr IBDS ibtl IABL (In After BlackLight)
Dude their is another thread about this on the next page ffs.
Yeah and look what it turned into..............
I agree a flame free one would be nice. But this one will be locked because the other exists. Now if the other was to get locked, this one could stay open. ---------------------------
Originally by: Ductoris At this rate I'm going to ask for a BOB sub-forum.
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:46:00 -
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bob will roll on its just a matter of time
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus I'll assume you mean BoB and all their allies. The short answer, objectively (believe it, or don't), is that no they can't be stopped.
There are three primary factors that make me give that answer. - Momentum. While the North and South East had very significant momentum at the start of this war against BoB and their allies, they've completely lost it. Counters are minimal, it seems like everyone is just waiting their turn for the hammer to fall.
- Coordination and Cooperation. The war started off with a semblance of both for the Coalition, everyone appeared (from my vantage point) to be where they were supposed to be. It appears that it's a case of every alliance for themselves for the majority. As has been pointed out many times by others, the Alliance has a high degree of this quantity, much to their advantage.
- Stamina. The will to keep fighting is a decisive factor in war... I know about this aspect intimately. Members of the Coalition have bled off as this war progresses. By no means is there just the mopping up to be done, there is a great deal yet to be accomplished; that said, I'll take any bets offered on the final outcome.
Perhaps someone will somehow manage to turn it around, but frankly I doubt that will be the case. There will be a fair number of Coalition members that likely survive this war, but I never see the tables being turned so completely in the other direction again for the duration of it.
Many thanks,
More of this please and less of the ibtl guff. |
Emrod
Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:46:00 -
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OMFG!
OTHER USELESS CONVERSATION!!!!!!
I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P |
Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:47:00 -
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BoB wins on a regular basis because they are better at 0.0 warfare than most of the people they come across.
They don't have to have the largest alliance in game, as they have people that are willing to rent space from them.
Those people are usually good enough to fight off most little gang incursions where they happen, and really big gangs/fleets/invasions get handled by a joint BoB / renter fleet. (Or just BoB)
The only real way to win is to get the renters to change their minds about the business decision they made, but nobody is likely to do that as with BoB at their backs people can sit back and crank out isk and projects to their heart's content.
The other problem is that there really isn't much left in terms of viable opponents for BoB anymore.
RA / AAA and Goons are left, sure.. but now BoB pretty much has 65-70% of 0.0 captured, with renter corps funneling isk into their corp coffers to fuel their war efforts.
If you really, really want to beat BoB, you need to get an alliance of people together, with one leader that everyone can get behind.
Formulate plans, execute them and move on. Be flexible.
The alliance leader is going to have to spend a silly amount of time online and offline coordinating things, along with directors.
Set them up a paypal account, and have each member wire them a dollar a month.
That way they can quit work and just play Eve... lol
Anyhow, I don't have all the answers.
My now dead alliance got utterly spanked by BoB, so you can take my advice with a grain of salt if you like.
Anyhow, that's my two cents.
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:49:00 -
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bob have 70% , now do they intend to go for the remaining 30% or leave some spankies there they can play with
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Emrod
Legion Du Lys GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:50:00 -
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Originally by: Callthetruth bob have 70% , now do they intend to go for the remaining 30% or leave some spankies there they can play with
Dont forget the chinesse server
I sell some logoff t2 module,improved forum flamming tachyon beam and Bob Lag generator faction item, contact me ingame for more info :P |
Souvera Corvus
Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:53:00 -
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Edited by: Souvera Corvus on 08/06/2007 02:53:18
Originally by: Gungankllr BoB wins on a regular basis because they are better at 0.0 warfare than most of the people they come across.
They don't have to have the largest alliance in game, as they have people that are willing to rent space from them.
Those people are usually good enough to fight off most little gang incursions where they happen, and really big gangs/fleets/invasions get handled by a joint BoB / renter fleet. (Or just BoB)
The only real way to win is to get the renters to change their minds about the business decision they made, but nobody is likely to do that as with BoB at their backs people can sit back and crank out isk and projects to their heart's content.
The other problem is that there really isn't much left in terms of viable opponents for BoB anymore.
RA / AAA and Goons are left, sure.. but now BoB pretty much has 65-70% of 0.0 captured, with renter corps funneling isk into their corp coffers to fuel their war efforts.
If you really, really want to beat BoB, you need to get an alliance of people together, with one leader that everyone can get behind.
Formulate plans, execute them and move on. Be flexible.
The alliance leader is going to have to spend a silly amount of time online and offline coordinating things, along with directors.
Set them up a paypal account, and have each member wire them a dollar a month.
That way they can quit work and just play Eve... lol
Anyhow, I don't have all the answers.
My now dead alliance got utterly spanked by BoB, so you can take my advice with a grain of salt if you like.
Anyhow, that's my two cents.
Useful.
So it's not just about fighting BoB it's about providing an attractive alternative to the renters out there? Can't just pitch up in a blob, you have to have a good business model too? |
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Toffles
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:55:00 -
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Originally by: Avernus
- Momentum. While the North and South East had very significant momentum at the start of this war against BoB and their allies, they've completely lost it. Counters are minimal, it seems like everyone is just waiting their turn for the hammer to fall.
Oh so this is why BoB hasn't done anything for the past month.
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DTee
The Huns Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:58:00 -
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Edited by: DTee on 08/06/2007 02:57:35 This is getting so old.
Please see a post I made a while ago about why BoB are winning and how to stop them. I dont know it all although there might be a few pointers in that thread.
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Souvera Corvus
Gallente Vaapad Shinobis Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.08 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: Avernus
- Momentum. While the North and South East had very significant momentum at the start of this war against BoB and their allies, they've completely lost it. Counters are minimal, it seems like everyone is just waiting their turn for the hammer to fall.
Oh so this is why BoB hasn't done anything for the past month.
Yes, but why is that?
Is it the calm before the storm? Do they practice one constant blitzkrieg, or do they have a series of staged offensives with specific objectives? If they haven't done anything for a month what have the opposition been doing as it presumably gives them a bit of breathing space to prepare for the next big push? |
Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:00:00 -
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I think we need a quota of "OMG BOB ARE WINNING HOW DO WE STOP THEM" threads per day.
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Gungankllr
Caldari STK Scientific Rule of Three
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:01:00 -
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Well, they used to rotate corps (one week in combat, two weeks off) so there was always somebody fighting, and somebody always making isk for more fighting.
But it was ages ago I was in BoB so it's probably changed since then.
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Grim Faust
Kinetic Vector Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:02:00 -
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I'm really starting to ******* hate BoB and it's not even their fault. It's like Brad what's his face and Angelina Jolie.. OMFG , one of them farted and the other one laughed.. DISCUSS. HEAD LINE NEWS.
STFU! ARGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH __________________________________________________ I survived CCP eating all my sigs and all I got was a crappy colorful moderator message... colorful? -Sahwoolo ... =( |
Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:04:00 -
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Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: Avernus
- Momentum. While the North and South East had very significant momentum at the start of this war against BoB and their allies, they've completely lost it. Counters are minimal, it seems like everyone is just waiting their turn for the hammer to fall.
Oh so this is why BoB hasn't done anything for the past month.
Do you feel that your space is secure for the forseeable future? Whatever your answer may be, I guess we'll find out later.
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Avernus
Gallente Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:05:00 -
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Btw... apologies to the people who are sick of these threads, I simply avoided the original ones like the plague and was in a mood to post today.
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Adm Tecumseh
Caldari Frequently Asked Questions
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:06:00 -
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Originally by: Callthetruth bob have 70% , now do they intend to go for the remaining 30% or leave some spankies there they can play with
read the NY Times article today.
SirMolle has Concord firmly in his sights.
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Toffles
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.08 03:12:00 -
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Originally by: Souvera Corvus
Originally by: Toffles
Originally by: Avernus
- Momentum. While the North and South East had very significant momentum at the start of this war against BoB and their allies, they've completely lost it. Counters are minimal, it seems like everyone is just waiting their turn for the hammer to fall.
Oh so this is why BoB hasn't done anything for the past month.
Yes, but why is that?
Is it the calm before the storm? Do they practice one constant blitzkrieg, or do they have a series of staged offensives with specific objectives? If they haven't done anything for a month what have the opposition been doing as it presumably gives them a bit of breathing space to prepare for the next big push?
Well, if they wait too long their entire approach to waging this war will get nerfed in the next patch. By that I mean titans and pos spam.
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