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Grath Telkin
Amarr Bottomfeeders Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.08 05:57:00 -
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Ok, so i titled this correctly, because its become Bob's war. I realize that all its vassal's have put in some hard work, but essentially, this is their war. So my question is simply this: What are the plans being made to keep 0.0 pvp players in the game now that BOB has essentially won? I mean honestly, the developers have a strong alliance for one reason or another, and now, they have just about closed up shop in the north, meaning they can sweep south with no Titan's to oppose their force. So for all of us who have fought and died to stop them, who now have no home, and are still for one reason or another loathe to join forces with them, why will we stay? Did the developers ever think about what would happen to their game if they won the war? 0.0 players just don't want to live in empire, and sorry to say, that if all of the 0.0 players not allied to BOB leave the game, it will become mildly desolate here. This is and always has been my primary argument against what BOB is. I understand that they need to see the game from the inside, to monitor and live out all its bugs and problems first hand, but they made the mistake of becoming involved in the games internal politics, which in the long run may end up killing their game.
So what will happen to EVE once BOB "wins" the war that has been raging for so long?? And in hindsight, wouldn't it have been smarter to just stay out of in game politics and see how their game naturally developed without forcing it into a particular direction as they have done by participating in the war?
Realizing that this is a touchy subject, i expect many hot headed answers to this question, but I'm honestly asking a serious question. In one way or another, you have contaminated your own project, how will you deal with what you've done? I've heard about everything being changed in one way or another, "cloaks need to be nerfed, nos needs to be nerfed, titans need to be nerfed". How about "Now what?" since you've finally gotten what you wanted.
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MehTheTrader
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:00:00 -
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Weak.
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MehTheTrader
University of Caille
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:02:00 -
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Edited by: MehTheTrader on 08/06/2007 06:01:25 How has bob won? BoB never even fought d2. They didn't do much in the war. LV fell. D2 just ran away without fighting back, internal breakdowns. So really what has bomb down militarily, nothing, they did leave their systems I don't think. At least I haven't seen them.
Honestly these bob alts constantly post these things.
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:05:00 -
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tbh you kinda lost me at "the developers have a strong alliance..." i'll spare you the rolling eyes emote though.
On topic though, IMHO: - The war isent over yet by a long shot - BoB will never control all of 0.0 even if they could doing so isent in there interests. - Any space that is not directley claimed by BoB, such as the north for example, is certain to fracture and return to a state of war at some point in the future, its just a question of when, and its not like the fighting in the north is anywhere near over yet anyway.
In short i think this post is a little premature. -
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:08:00 -
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bob wont go after RA Becuase well RA kicks em. Sirmolle wants to own everything what can the devs do to make it harder who knows, once bob owns 0.0 everyone else will have to play in the NPC 0.0 regions
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Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:09:00 -
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I like hor everyone is saying hoe premature these posts are but ive seen at least one like it every time ive looked at the boards for the last two or three days and apparently from different people....
It doesnt seem to be as far fetched as the naysayers think anymore Fine... Ill play nice |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Bottomfeeders Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:09:00 -
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Not a Bob alt guy, actually i fought against em for the past 3 months, but since you seem so astute, where is the force that will stop them? What military force in EVE is going to stop BOB and its 4 titans? I asked a serious question, and you gave me some random half witted answer that was largely off topic. The north is over, have you been watching your control maps? D2 has a single station, everything up there is just about wrapped up. I fought in Teneferis for the past 3 months. Im just wondering what will keep people in the game now that its just about done. I know atleast 16 people ive known for some time who quit when the north fell apart. I dont want to see the rest of the game begin to go as well because of it.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Bottomfeeders Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:12:00 -
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and i worded this softly because ive known account suspensions to come down from on high when BOB discussions come up
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:12:00 -
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north faling apart never bob will just rent it out to whoever pays the bills then they will mvoe on the west and the south. Once they win eve will go into a decline even CCP wont be able to stop.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Bottomfeeders Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:13:00 -
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trust n believe that i hate getting DDD'd as much as the next guy, n have no love for thier over-equiped selves either
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:24:00 -
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Edited by: Alski on 08/06/2007 06:28:08
Originally by: Grath Telkin Not a Bob alt guy, actually i fought against em for the past 3 months, but since you seem so astute, where is the force that will stop them? What military force in EVE is going to stop BOB and its 4 titans? I asked a serious question, and you gave me some random half witted answer that was largely off topic. The north is over, have you been watching your control maps? D2 has a single station, everything up there is just about wrapped up. I fought in Teneferis for the past 3 months. Im just wondering what will keep people in the game now that its just about done. I know atleast 16 people ive known for some time who quit when the north fell apart. I dont want to see the rest of the game begin to go as well because of it.
Mmm you seem to have completely missed my point about the north. The north is held entirely by corps that are either bob allies or just happen to be blue to each other because they have bigger fish to fry right now. They are not BoB, They do not pay rent to BoB - therefore at some point in the future they will start shooting at each other or another entity will enter the area and stir things up.
So now we've eliminated the entire north from being under direct BoB control for the foreseeable future, and its fairly clear that they can not hope to directly control even 50% of all 0.0 space, the question of "what do we do when BoB control all 0.0" is really irrelevant, its not gonna happen and as I said before even if they could its not in there interests to do so.
EDIT: after reading the above replies, it is my firm beleif that I am posting in the most 'tarded BoB thread ever.
Note to self: NEVER reply to a BoB thread. -
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Bottomfeeders Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:35:00 -
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Originally by: Alski Edited by: Alski on 08/06/2007 06:25:37
Originally by: Grath Telkin Not a Bob alt guy, actually i fought against em for the past 3 months, but since you seem so astute, where is the force that will stop them? What military force in EVE is going to stop BOB and its 4 titans? I asked a serious question, and you gave me some random half witted answer that was largely off topic. The north is over, have you been watching your control maps? D2 has a single station, everything up there is just about wrapped up. I fought in Teneferis for the past 3 months. Im just wondering what will keep people in the game now that its just about done. I know atleast 16 people ive known for some time who quit when the north fell apart. I dont want to see the rest of the game begin to go as well because of it.
Mmm you seem to have completely missed my point about the north. The north is held entirely by corps that are either bob allies or just happen to be blue to each other because they have bigger fish to fry right now. They are not BoB, They do not pay rent to BoB - therefore at some point in the future they will start shooting at each other or another entity will enter the area and stir things up.
So now we've eliminated the entire north from being under direct BoB control for the foreseeable future, and its fairly clear that they can not hope to directly control even 50% of all 0.0 space, the question of "what do we do when BoB control all 0.0" is really irrelevant, its not gonna happen and as I said before even if they could its not in there interests to do so.
EDIT: after reading the above replies, it is my firm believe that I am posted in the most tarded BoB thread ever.
Note to self: NEVER reply to a BoB thread.
OK so my original answer was not to Alski, but to MehTheTrader, and Alski's point is something ive tried to convince friends who are leaving the game of: When its all over, the snake will eat its own tail. But its not really working, alot of people are acutally REALLY mad these guys are gaining as much ground as they are, and its costing CCP subscriptions to an already small (relatively speaking for MMO's) game. I play 3 other MMO's as well as this one (no WoW tyvm, hated it) and if this one goes down, i will reluctantly play another a bit more, but my point is, soon, the bleeding of players may become more severe. Its obviously gotten someones attention if they are willing to set up a player oversight commitee to prove they aren't cheating. EVE is in fact loosing players simply becuase BOB exists in close relationship with the developers, and i am just curious to see if any of them has any ideas on how to save a game that i have come to enjoy a great deal.
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WarFireV
Gallente Lockheed Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:37:00 -
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When people start talking about the war in the north and the south, I always wounder what the people in the east are doing...
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:42:00 -
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Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 08/06/2007 06:41:18 Do you know why BoB always wins? because they don't run to the forums and whine about everything. Instead they grab the iron glow and throw it in the face of their foes. And ofcource, they have fun all the time, they don't whine and see losses of something that can be corrected - a possibility of doing it better next time! - instead of a failure! Because its only in loss of morale that the war is truly lost!
Trying to moralise a war calling it on "family values", morale or whatever will fail simply because its not a uniting force in EVE. You want to win? Stop running to the forums complaining that OMGZ BoB are winning. They gotta use HaX0rs or whatever!
You want to win? Its very simple! have fun! Stop whining! And start shooting!
Just my 0.02 BoB isk Credits..
Originally by: Eldo Davip PORTRAITS OMFG WOOT. WE R GONIG FOR MROE BREEE!!!!11
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:48:00 -
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I hate to tell you this but there is no real WIN in eve ! the only real top people in eve are the jovians ! the players can fight for ever there is no real winner in the game ever and never has been! you can fill up 100 killboards with 2 Bil names and still there will be no I WIN IT ALL point in the game. so get that silly thinking out of your head now.
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin ...
The differance is your convinced about three things which i am not: - Eve needs saveing - BoB will control all 0.0 - "BOB exists in close relationship with the developers" taken to mean "BoB's sucess is dependent on whatever 'relationship' they may (or may not) have"
Originally by: Grath Telkin
Its obviously gotten someones attention if they are willing to set up a player oversight commitee to prove they aren't cheating
Which is probaley mostley due to the widescale press coverage the recent events got, not just the events themselfs, and it can only be a good thing. -
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RFwills
Warp Riders Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:55:00 -
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Quote: - BoB will never control all of 0.0 even if they could doing so isent in there interests.
If you dont mind my interjection buddy. BoB have stated they intend to own all of 0.0 AND Hi Sec.
Quote: Our goal is to eventually own all of 0.0 and then empire
Thats from one of the ceo's of the main BoB corp. As in the New york times post. _______________________________________________
Heres something, If almost every single hi sec system had gates with awaiting suicide gangs, would you play eve? Theres only one real answer to that |
Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:58:00 -
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Originally by: RFwills
Quote: - BoB will never control all of 0.0 even if they could doing so isent in there interests.
If you dont mind my interjection buddy. BoB have stated they intend to own all of 0.0 AND Hi Sec.
Quote: Our goal is to eventually own all of 0.0 and then empire
Thats from one of the ceo's of the main BoB corp. As in the New york times post.
I'm well aware of that, what i'm saying is i don't think that is physicley possable. -
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.08 06:58:00 -
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they have also stated if they destroy the game in the process they dont care. So we wait now for the fun to start
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: RFwills
Quote: - BoB will never control all of 0.0 even if they could doing so isent in there interests.
If you dont mind my interjection buddy. BoB have stated they intend to own all of 0.0 AND Hi Sec.
Quote: Our goal is to eventually own all of 0.0 and then empire
Thats from one of the ceo's of the main BoB corp. As in the New york times post.
Are you a Idiot lol next you will say all of BoB is workers for CCP and they all come from mar .. gee lets put on are tinfoil hats now every one !
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Bottomfeeders Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:00:00 -
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i wonder at what point did i whine? i looked, and couldn't see it, all I've seen so far is several people unable to debate a subject, which i suspected would happen when i started the post. I asked a question of the populace, and probably by mistake actually expected at least one person (which i got) to speak on the subject. If you work with BOB, you probably haven't noticed a decline in players, if you work against them, then yes, you may know a friend or two who no longer plays the game because of results in the war. For the sake of my account status, I've attempted to stay neutral in this post, and not seem overly biased in one direction or another, other than stating that i do fight against them, and don't like seeing them win either. AT NO POINT DID I SAY I WAS MAD ABOUT THEIR VICTORIES, or even slightly put off, i will play as long as their are sufficient players in the game to make it interesting. I will pew pew, AND HAVE FUN DOING IT the whole time, smiling even as my pretty ship becomes billions of pretty pieces. Killboards don't really matter, after all, MMO's are about interacting with the other players, if i didn't want that, I would play another game. My main concern is the decline of the game. Subscriptions have leveled off, less revenue for CCP means less EVE for us, till were just another SWG in the pages of gaming history.
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:02:00 -
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empire dwellers make up 65% of all the population they will support eve regardless of any 0.0 wars. Tho that said 0.0 mgiht become safer than high sec
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:04:00 -
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Originally by: Grath Telkin i wonder at what point did i whine? i looked, and couldn't see it, all I've seen so far is several people unable to debate a subject, which i suspected would happen when i started the post. I asked a question of the populace, and probably by mistake actually expected at least one person (which i got) to speak on the subject. If you work with BOB, you probably haven't noticed a decline in players, if you work against them, then yes, you may know a friend or two who no longer plays the game because of results in the war. For the sake of my account status, I've attempted to stay neutral in this post, and not seem overly biased in one direction or another, other than stating that i do fight against them, and don't like seeing them win either. AT NO POINT DID I SAY I WAS MAD ABOUT THEIR VICTORIES, or even slightly put off, i will play as long as their are sufficient players in the game to make it interesting. I will pew pew, AND HAVE FUN DOING IT the whole time, smiling even as my pretty ship becomes billions of pretty pieces. Killboards don't really matter, after all, MMO's are about interacting with the other players, if i didn't want that, I would play another game. My main concern is the decline of the game. Subscriptions have leveled off, less revenue for CCP means less EVE for us, till were just another SWG in the pages of gaming history.
The point when you open this line of topic you know it was going to fall apart and end up verry much like this all the posts on the forum ends the same way !
just start reading them all !
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:06:00 -
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Originally by: Callthetruth empire dwellers make up 65% of all the population they will support eve regardless of any 0.0 wars. Tho that said 0.0 mgiht become safer than high sec
If you think like that unjoin your corp and stay in a NPC corp and stay in some 0.5 away from other players some place.
then you will not have to worry any longer.
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:07:00 -
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i interact with mission runners in an ebil way im happy
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RFwills
Warp Riders Fang Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:09:00 -
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Originally by: Hilabana
Originally by: RFwills
Quote: - BoB will never control all of 0.0 even if they could doing so isent in there interests.
If you dont mind my interjection buddy. BoB have stated they intend to own all of 0.0 AND Hi Sec.
Quote: Our goal is to eventually own all of 0.0 and then empire
Thats from one of the ceo's of the main BoB corp. As in the New york times post.
Are you a Idiot lol next you will say all of BoB is workers for CCP and they all come from mar .. gee lets put on are tinfoil hats now every one !
Lets not get offensive here buddy, even if tinfoil hats are a likeable fashion appendage. Of course we all know "some" ccp'ers work for BoB, but not every one, or half of them for that matter. They are where they are only because of their leadership, organization, and aggressive Fleet Leadership. They have a gaol and they are doing what they think neccesary to meet that gaol. This has nothing to do with the minorities of BoB. _______________________________________________
Heres something, If almost every single hi sec system had gates with awaiting suicide gangs, would you play eve? Theres only one real answer to that |
Grath Telkin
Amarr Bottomfeeders Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:10:00 -
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yea "Realizing that this is a touchy subject, i expect many hot headed answers to this question, but I'm honestly asking a serious question" i did know it was gonna happen, but in the words of an imortal speaker, "keep hope alive"
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Alski
Gallente Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:13:00 -
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Sometimes I feel like I'm the only side in a debate. (want to know how that works? - see above.)
Is this a discussion about 0.0 space/alliances, BoDtinfoilomgz™, or "just how doomed is Eve" (which it isent) I have to ask as this thread is starting to get... erratic.
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Grath Telkin
Amarr Bottomfeeders Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:39:00 -
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not my fault they wont stay on topic, but i think its about the future of this game. I dont know if you noticed, but its about to NOT be the only space based MMO worth playing. Star Trek Universe Online (bleh, i hate ST) is coming soon, and as much as i cant stand Kirk, or anything Kirk related, the game looks incredible, and is already making quite a hum. CCP is starting a player based audit, to prove they are not a cheat, they are trying to give players a reason to stay, which the players obviously (by ccp's own admission) dont feel they have anymore. Doomed, no, its not, but the potential is there, and thats what i was addressing. Things are unfolding in EVE, which will be unchangeable once in effect. If the possible decline of a game is outside your realm of belief, i need only point to SWG, i mean come on, its a starwars game. there should be enough SW geeks to start a whole new country, and yet one poor decision by developers basically killed that game. Hindsight is always 20/20, and i am definitely would rather have them address something that could seriously undermine the game NOW, rather than trying to shore up a sinking ship when its too late. Its something that should always be considered when dealing with something that is basically created, and driven by players alone. If the players become unhappy with the game, there will be no game, or atleast not one worth playing.
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.08 07:45:00 -
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Let bob take over all of 0.0 space, particularly RA territory, and then we'll talk.
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