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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.08 19:55:00 -
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Xenodus Syndicate [XENOD] is a private science corporation focusing on research and sales of BPO and BPC. Other area of activities includes market trading, and building Tech II ammunitions. The CEO Almiel have been flying ships for over 4 years, and concluded much successful business deal in that time.
The corporation has seen notable profits in the last months and is now planning a horizontal expansion in its most profitable area: Research and resale of BluePrints.
A short-term public investment opportunity is now available. The operation will last for 6 weeks and will then return the initial investment plus 12.5%.
The steps in chronological orders are as follow, in summary and then in details:
Summary 1. Accept ISK from investors to raise 1.13 billion 2. Buy a Capital Component BPO 3. Research the BPO to ME64 and PE16 4. Sell the BPO 5. Give 1.13 billion + 12.5% profit to investors, for
In depth
1. Accept ISK from investors to raise 1.13 billion Any pilot may choose to invest 10 million minimum by sending the money to the CEO Almiel. An investment must be made as follow: - Send 10mil or more to Almiel, along with a meaning full description - Send an EvE-Mail along with the ISK to facilitate accounting - Your investment will then be recorded in a secure location, with your name and amount invested. - Also this post will be updated with the ISK raised so far, and the ISK remaining - Any ISK sent after the sum of 1.13 billion have been reached will be sent back - If after one week the amount of 1.13 billion have not been reached then the operation will be cancelled and all ISK will be paid back
2. Buy a Capital Component BPO - Once 1.13bil have been reached, Xenodus Syndicate will proceed to acquire the following BPO Capital Propulsion Engine Capital Propulsion Engine Market Price: 1,128,565,800 ISK - The BPO will be bought from an NPC sell order in empire space, and not be exposed to piracy at any time. - Note that the base price from the item database is marked at 1,253,962,000 ISK. However the actual price is 1,128,565,800 ISK, as can be seen from the NPC sell orders on the market.
3. Research the BPO to ME64 and PE16 - Xenodus Syndicate owns a secure empire research starbase in an undisclosed location, offering immediate availability with no waiting time along with a 25% bonus to research speed. - The BPO will be moved to station near the secret research base using both scouts and a plated Tech II transport ship, removing any risk of piracy. - Once in position, research will start up to ME64 and PE16 and will last no more then 5 weeks. - In the unthinkable scenario where a fleet of thousands of battleships would randomly choose to suicide themselves to destroy the research star base under concord fire, the bpo would regardless be secure in the station and out of harm.
4. Sell the BPO - With research complete to ME64 and PE16, the BPO have now gained much value. Xenodus Syndicate will take at most one week to find a buyer and sell at a lucrative price. - From experience, it is quite easy to find a buyer for such a blueprint.
5. Give 1.13 billion + 12.5% profit to investors, for - This is the last step of the 6-week project. The CEO Almiel will pay back all investors with the amount that they invested, plus a 12.5% profit. - For example if you invested the minimum amount of 10mil, you will receive 12.5mil. If you invested 50mil, you will receive 56.25mil and so on. - [XENOD] will then conclude the operation and possibly consider starting a new one
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.08 19:55:00 -
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Expectations Xenodus Syndicate is responsible of the following: - To find investors and keep track of accounting - To buy, research and resell the BPO without risk - To payback investors at the end of the operation - To assume the cost of fuel and other requirements to keep the research star base - To assume the time required to make the operation a success
Investors are responsible of the following: - To send their investment along with an eve-mail and receive it back in full along with a 12.5% profit after 6 weeks.
Notes - Shares will not be used, since unlike most IPO the initial investment plus the profit will be paid back after 6 weeks. Not using mean that investors will not need to exchange them back for ISK at the end of the operation, and that all ISK + profit can be sent by the CEO without waiting on investors.
Q/A Q: What are XENOD current activities? A: A number of other BPO are being researched or copied, and t2 ammo is being built.
Q: Why is Xenodus Syndicate doing this? A: To grow faster then could be possible without external support
Q: Why should I trust this? A: Almiel have never swindled in the last 4 years and losing reputation over this would hurt future business deals. In addition, pilots with doubt can invest the minimum of 10mil, which is a very little amount to risk in case of a fraud. Every widely trusted pilot started from being unknown.
More Q/A will be added as questions appear in the thread.
Almiel Xenodus Syndicate
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.08 19:57:00 -
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This post will be updated with the ongoing status
Status Target: 1130mil Current: 0mil Remaining: 1130mil
Almiel Xenodus Syndicate
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Jimmae
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Posted - 2007.06.09 07:24:00 -
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Very nicely written up.
Questions: 1. Why do you have to raise 1.13bil if you have previous experience selling capital component BPO's as you stated? 2. Explain your profit estimation. 12.5% seems a rather artificial figure. How do starbase maintenance costs figure in? 3. Why not use shares if you consider doing it again?
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YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.06.09 07:25:00 -
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Sorry, the above poster was me.
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Jezzalah
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.06.09 11:47:00 -
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After a thorough talk with Almiel, I am very happy with this investment. I have been in previous investments with him, and every time he has stood to his word. This is a very high return on investment, working out at 8 1/3% per month.
I have invested into this deal, the amount is undisclosed to public.
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Takahashi Arran
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.09 12:09:00 -
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this just seems a strange IPO plan to me- not bad but not superb. If your serious about this buisness why only buy 1 BPO why not buy several to fully use your facilities? 1.13bil seems a very low amount for all of the hassle of an IPO
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YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.06.09 12:42:00 -
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Edited by: YunFu Yan on 09/06/2007 12:43:26 Edited by: YunFu Yan on 09/06/2007 12:41:33
Originally by: Jezzalah After a thorough talk with Almiel, I am very happy with this investment. I have been in previous investments with him, and every time he has stood to his word. This is a very high return on investment, working out at 8 1/3% per month.
I have invested into this deal, the amount is undisclosed to public.
Instead of the OP answering my questions someone shows up and tries to confirm credibility of the OP by once again naming that artificial return figure. (He even took the time to calculate it down to an integer fraction...)
Originally by: Takahashi Arran
this just seems a strange IPO plan to me- not bad but not superb. If your serious about this buisness why only buy 1 BPO why not buy several to fully use your facilities? 1.13bil seems a very low amount for all of the hassle of an IPO
Yes, I didn't want to bash it to death with the Scam-stick right away but it's yelling scam at me.
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Jezzalah
Rubra Libertas Militia
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Posted - 2007.06.09 13:32:00 -
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sorry but other investments I have had with Almiel are private. However, I can say that I have had over 2b in Almiel's hands.
I did not meet Almiel via the forum, but through friends.
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YunFu Yan
Yan Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.06.09 13:40:00 -
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Originally by: Jezzalah sorry but other investments I have had with Almiel are private. However, I can say that I have had over 2b in Almiel's hands.
You're just making it worse for Almiel...
So you invested 2bil before? Thats considerably more than what he's asking for now. How comes you pulled your money out? How comes he wasn't reinvesting company income to expand his activities?
My biggest shareholder has invested well over 12bil into me and has never in the 6 months since considered even selling a single share.
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Ricdic
Caldari Corporate Research And Production Pty Ltd Zzz
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Posted - 2007.06.09 14:36:00 -
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Ok, rather than attack this guy's credibility any further (will leave that up to others), I am just going to ask why you think you can turn this kind of profit off this bpo?
Can you buy the bpo for 1.13b and sell it for 1.27b?
I only ask as I have seen a huge amount of capital component bpo's researched that are selling at or slightly below npc price.
To name a few: WTS completed today Ray's Auction open for another 3 days One of your sales threads (should have done this yourself) Auction with this bpo selling 20m above base
Please don't think I am trying to burst your bubble, I actually quite like the way this was presented. But as above, I find it bizarre that you guys were doing 4 at a time without public funding, and now you need public funding to do just 1.
Personally, I reckon this is just a sweetener so you can expand to bigger and better things in 6 weeks, and this is planned to be used as a credibility builder. It is a valid tactic regardless, but still, you aren't issuing shares, so you will have up to 100+ single transactions on dividend day, all for a measly 150m or so shareholder profit (nothing for yourself listed in OP).
I barely log into Eve for that much less spend a good 3-8 hours doing individual transactions on dividend day.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.06.10 05:17:00 -
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When I saw this:
ME64 PE16
I stopped reading and realized this was a HORRIBLE investment.
1. If you don't understand why then you obviously do not understand the capital construction BPO market. No one who is doing this as a business would use those numbers.
2. This market is basically dead now, too many people are doing this exact thing and have WAY more money that this IPO is raising. The people who really do this big time have 10-20 BPO's researching at any given time and can survive on a small per unit profit because of their logistical advantages.
3. A person who handles multiple billions and then asks for only 1.13 billion doesn't make sense. If you've handled billions then you shouldn't need a mere 1.13.
I will not be investing in this. My advice is for the OP to learn more about this market before going forward. But if the project moves forward then I look forward to seeing an ME64 PE16 prop BPO for sale in a few months
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.10 16:39:00 -
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Edited by: Almiel on 10/06/2007 16:40:39 Hello Again
Yesterday was an intense session of paintball in Gallente space, and now is the time to answer questions
Answers will be made in the order they were asked.
Originally by: Jimmae Very nicely written up. Questions: 1. Why do you have to raise 1.13bil if you have previous experience selling capital component BPO's as you stated? 2. Explain your profit estimation. 12.5% seems a rather artificial figure. How do starbase maintenance costs figure in? 3. Why not use shares if you consider doing it again?
1: I have to raise the ISK for another capital BPO in order to research more at a time and make more profit faster. Right now I have 5 other BPO of similar price inside a lab, and this operation will allow to obtain a sixth.
2: The market price for research BPO vary between 20% and 30%. Assuming the worst case where the BPO in question resell for original price + 20%, Xenodus Syndicate will still be able to easily return the invested ISK along with a 12.5% bonus, and the remaining 7.5% will cover the starbase maintenance cost. Note that the starbase is not used only for this project, and so the fuel cost for this particular operation is reduced. Almiel have seen 12.5% as a being worth it for investors, considering the average return of much longer term and much risquer IPO. Also in the case where the BPO sell for minimum price (base + 20%) then 12.5% will still be somehow worth it for XENOD. This is a win/win number.
3: Unlike most IPO, the full investment + profit will be paid back after this operation. Instead of receiving an undefined dividend at the end of each months, you get back your full investment as well as a worth while profit, unlocking your wallet and allowing you to use this money for something else entirely. For this kind of operations, using shares would only make it harder for Xenodus Syndicate to pay back the investors after 6 weeks, because we would need to trade the shares for ISK while now XENOD can simply send back ISK regardless if investors are available or not.
Originally by: Takahashi Arran this just seems a strange IPO plan to me- not bad but not superb. If your serious about this buisness why only buy 1 BPO why not buy several to fully use your facilities? 1.13bil seems a very low amount for all of the hassle of an IPO
A: 1.13Bil is a low amount and while XENOD could get more starbases and multiply this by 10 for 11.3b, there are two main reasons for starting small.
First this operation is a first for Xenodus Syndicate, and if any unforeseen complications occur during the process, it should be easier to fix and manage with a lower amount of investors and a lower amount of blueprint. Of course XENOD is used to deal with research and resales, but when public money is involved more care must be made.
Second, it does not fit well for an unknown corporation to ask for to much public investment to soon, without having any track record.
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.10 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Ricdic Ok, rather than attack this guy's credibility any further (will leave that up to others), I am just going to ask why you think you can turn this kind of profit off this bpo?
Can you buy the bpo for 1.13b and sell it for 1.27b?
I only ask as I have seen a huge amount of capital component bpo's researched that are selling at or slightly below npc price.
To name a few: WTS completed today Ray's Auction open for another 3 days One of your sales threads (should have done this yourself) Auction with this bpo selling 20m above base
Please don't think I am trying to burst your bubble, I actually quite like the way this was presented. But as above, I find it bizarre that you guys were doing 4 at a time without public funding, and now you need public funding to do just 1.
Personally, I reckon this is just a sweetener so you can expand to bigger and better things in 6 weeks, and this is planned to be used as a credibility builder. It is a valid tactic regardless, but still, you aren't issuing shares, so you will have up to 100+ single transactions on dividend day, all for a measly 150m or so shareholder profit (nothing for yourself listed in OP).
I barely log into Eve for that much less spend a good 3-8 hours doing individual transactions on dividend day.
Most of those links are either direct sales for quite a low price, or auctions. I have recently sold two BPO recently for base price + 312.5mil. which offered a very nice profit indeed. If I made a sell post with low prices, or an auction without reserve, then I could have lost a lot. Having something to sell is only half the requirement to profit. Knowing how to sell is the other half.
With a minumum of 10mil investment per pilot I am indeed risking 100+ single transactions on dividend day, but 10mil is nothing most likely the average investment will be much higher then that. This is a risk that I am willing to take. Also there is indeed some profit for XENOD into this, the fuel cost divided by using the labs for other thing as well, and I expect to make from 100m to 200m profit after paying back the investors.
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle When I saw this:
ME64 PE16
I stopped reading and realized this was a HORRIBLE investment.
1. If you don't understand why then you obviously do not understand the capital construction BPO market. No one who is doing this as a business would use those numbers.
2. This market is basically dead now, too many people are doing this exact thing and have WAY more money that this IPO is raising. The people who really do this big time have 10-20 BPO's researching at any given time and can survive on a small per unit profit because of their logistical advantages.
3. A person who handles multiple billions and then asks for only 1.13 billion doesn't make sense. If you've handled billions then you shouldn't need a mere 1.13.
I will not be investing in this. My advice is for the OP to learn more about this market before going forward. But if the project moves forward then I look forward to seeing an ME64 PE16 prop BPO for sale in a few months
1. ME64 PE16 is nice and overkill, but those number looks good. Also higher ME and PE level sell faster and at higher price, regardless of actual effenciency. Surely to a big industrial corporation it would matter, but it does for the average pilot looking to buy a bpo and to build from the mineral they mined. Higher ME also give an edge to someone using the BPO to sell BPC.
2. Regardless of the Market XENOD is doing quite a nice profit doing this, this is all that is needed.
3. The fact that some corporation have way more ISK, does not change the fact that this operation will happens with a mere 1.13b, and that the investors will get exactly what they expected. Are you suggesting that XENOD forget all this and go mine somewhere, just because some others have a fatter wallet?
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.10 17:04:00 -
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Update 150mil have been received from various investors.
Status post updated.
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Shadarle
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Posted - 2007.06.11 03:51:00 -
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Originally by: Almiel
Originally by: Shadarle When I saw this:
ME64 PE16
I stopped reading and realized this was a HORRIBLE investment.
1. If you don't understand why then you obviously do not understand the capital construction BPO market. No one who is doing this as a business would use those numbers.
2. This market is basically dead now, too many people are doing this exact thing and have WAY more money that this IPO is raising. The people who really do this big time have 10-20 BPO's researching at any given time and can survive on a small per unit profit because of their logistical advantages.
3. A person who handles multiple billions and then asks for only 1.13 billion doesn't make sense. If you've handled billions then you shouldn't need a mere 1.13.
I will not be investing in this. My advice is for the OP to learn more about this market before going forward. But if the project moves forward then I look forward to seeing an ME64 PE16 prop BPO for sale in a few months
1. ME64 PE16 is nice and overkill, but those number looks good. Also higher ME and PE level sell faster and at higher price, regardless of actual effenciency. Surely to a big industrial corporation it would matter, but it does for the average pilot looking to buy a bpo and to build from the mineral they mined. Higher ME also give an edge to someone using the BPO to sell BPC.
2. Regardless of the Market XENOD is doing quite a nice profit doing this, this is all that is needed.
3. The fact that some corporation have way more ISK, does not change the fact that this operation will happens with a mere 1.13b, and that the investors will get exactly what they expected. Are you suggesting that XENOD forget all this and go mine somewhere, just because some others have a fatter wallet?
1. You clearly don't understand why I found this to be a silly ME number to use. But thats OK, you and your shareholder's loss.
2. Fair enough, if you're making ISK at a high enough rate for your own satisfaction then that's great. I just wonder if you'll be making the same amount in 6 weeks considering how many of these exact BPO's are hitting the market every day or two lately. Not to mention how many more will hit the market due to your thread here and people seeing that this particular item might be profitable. So you've hurt your own profits in the attempt to make profits with this thread
3. Based on one of your replies it seems you already own several of these BPO's... but in this case you're willing to give away 12.5% profits (which is almost all of the profits) to investors. That just doesn't make sense. If this is truly profitable and you're confident then why not 2.3 billion for 2 BPO's or 3.4 billion for 3, etc. Why only 1? Is your production capacity that limited?
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.11 12:54:00 -
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Originally by: Shadarle1. You clearly don't understand why I found this to be a silly ME number to use. But thats OK, you and your shareholder's loss.
2. Fair enough, if you're making ISK at a high enough rate for your own satisfaction then that's great. I just wonder if you'll be making the same amount in 6 weeks considering how many of these exact BPO's are hitting the market every day or two lately. Not to mention how many more will hit the market due to your thread here and people seeing that this particular item might be profitable. So you've hurt your own profits in the attempt to make profits with this thread
3. Based on one of your replies it seems you already own several of these BPO's... but in this case you're willing to give away 12.5% profits (which is almost all of the profits) to investors. That just doesn't make sense. If this is truly profitable and you're confident then why not 2.3 billion for 2 BPO's or 3.4 billion for 3, etc. Why only 1? Is your production capacity that limited?[/quote
1. Whatever 2. So on one hand you say it's worthless and on the other hand you say it's not? Just go away troll 3. My profits are much higher then that as I said before, and your other remark was also answered in my other posts above.
I'm done replying to you.
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.13 00:19:00 -
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Xenodus Syndicate is still accepting investment for this project.
Send your ISK to Almiel and our transaction will be logged in XENOD journal.
Thanks
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:39:00 -
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Updated
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Valrandir
Gallente Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.13 22:06:00 -
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I can vouch for Almiel and invest 100mil ISK.
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.14 14:16:00 -
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Updated
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:41:00 -
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More investment have been received, 715mil left. Send your investment to Almiel.
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Professor Bunsen
Optech Scientific
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:41:00 -
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I can't for the life of me think why you are not using the irrefutable marketing advantages of trading under your main characters name Valrandir?
As far as I am aware all your alts are sterling upright citizens and I'm sure investors would be equally well served (in fact identically served) by contacting Valrandir, Almiel, Pearl Thunder, Virya or Holy Pearl.
I hope that little mix up with your OSF investment is now behind us [ref]
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Professor Bunsen Edited by: Professor Bunsen on 15/06/2007 15:52:49 I can't for the life of me think why you are not using the irrefutable marketing advantages of trading under your main characters name Valrandir?
Because Valrandir and Almiel are two 'main', and not alts. They are both doing their own things in different area. Almiel is doing this operation, not Valrandir.
However you once again exposed the connection between those pilots, so any of the "irrefutable marketing advantages" mentionned are now applicable.
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As far as I am aware all your alts are sterling upright citizens and I'm sure investors would be equally well served (in fact identically served) by contacting Valrandir, Almiel, Pearl Thunder, Virya or Holy Pearl.
You are wrong. Every single of those pilots are under different assignments, and are not equivalent.
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I'm confused as to why you would need to vouch for your alt though Valrandir and would recommend that you delete that post in case anyone should get the idea you were "teh scamzor!"
All of the above post and right, and there is no reasons to edit or delete any.
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I hope that little mix up with your OSF investment is now behind us [ref]
Further details see Bunsens OSF Blog
PPS Does this mean I will be war decced again?
Why do you hope for it to be behind us and what does it have to do with Xenodus Syndicate current offer?
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2007.06.15 20:08:00 -
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Do you not think it's a little self-serving bidding on this auction?
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack Do you not think it's a little self-serving bidding on this auction?
The auction ends on the same date at the first phase of XENOD current operation, and it also offer the Correct BPOÖ with a reserve price below market price, and with some ME/PE already on it as a bonus
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Ray McCormack
BIG
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Posted - 2007.06.15 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Almiel The auction ends on the same date at the first phase of XENOD current operation, and it also offer the Correct BPO™ with a reserve price below market price, and with some ME/PE already on it as a bonus
I like you. 100m invested.
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Heikki
Gallente Wreckless Abandon Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2007.06.15 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Valrandir I can vouch for Almiel and invest 100mil ISK.
Originally by: Almiel Valrandir and Almiel are two 'main' .. both doing their own things .. you once again exposed the connection
Which leave me a bit confused; why did you post such vouching under Valrandir's name? Since now they aren't doing their own things (Roleplaying?) anymore.
Usually people aiming to be trusted with public funding try to give image of being honest and transparent. I would think posting supportive references with biased alt, without mentioning the bias, gives a bit different image.
You see things differently I take?
-Lasse
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Almiel
Gallente Xenodus Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.15 20:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Almiel The auction ends on the same date at the first phase of XENOD current operation, and it also offer the Correct BPOÖ with a reserve price below market price, and with some ME/PE already on it as a bonus
I like you. 100m invested.
Many Thanks
Status post updated.
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