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Awox
Digital Fury Corporation Digital Renegades
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Posted - 2007.06.11 15:46:00 -
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OMG do you people ever read? What good is a Smartbomb battleship going to do? Do you know how much damage you need to do to kill a battleship when you factor in resists? :S
Forget about smartbombing and other crap. Focus on the fact CCP refuse to police their game if it means upsetting the bottom line. - BOOST OUTLAWS (-10.0 and proud of it) |
Sean Hernandez
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Posted - 2007.06.11 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jelmer
Originally by: Sean Hernandez smartbomb - D'oh
Yadda Yadda Yadda
Oh, and he was even proud of it and verified it in local after we had left...
Jelly
Our survey said he is a [insert expletive here]
Thanks for clearing that up for me - didn't realise. So did he just wait until local was empty to finally log back in - or until you were gone?
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Test84984949
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Posted - 2007.06.11 15:50:00 -
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Blah, and its stuff like this that keep pushing me away from Eve. I mean the mechanics are there and people are going to abuse them, but for CCP to come out and pretty much condone such a behvior hurts. I mean....by mechanics an entire alliance could take a Sunday stroll through Jita, and shut down all of Eve in the process. Pilots don't do this because they KNOW what will happen even though this is nothing against game mechanics. Common sense people, and respect are the key.
Doesn't bother me that much though like it should....through all the allegations and junk of late I'm going back and playing the games that I've ignored for the past three years because I've been busy grinding away at Eve thinking that I was grinding on the same level playing field, and getting myself ready to make my mark in the universe...
Like this title that I started last week, some may laugh but this game I passed up to play Eve...not apples to apples and not as much at stake than Eve but WoW its fun! hint the game
I'll continue to pay my 4 account for a while though, and to all you "Can I have your stuff" ..no you can't because I'm taking it with me.
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Beef Hardslab
The 5 Amigo's LLC. NxT LeveL
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Posted - 2007.06.11 15:53:00 -
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Originally by: Awox OMG do you people ever read? What good is a Smartbomb battleship going to do? Do you know how much damage you need to do to kill a battleship when you factor in resists? :S
Forget about smartbombing and other crap. Focus on the fact CCP refuse to police their game if it means upsetting the bottom line.
Oh I don't know, could have been you posting "Damn we chased him for a half hour and finally killed him" instead of "Damn we chased him for a half hour and got nothin".
Of course it's bull****, but honestly are you surprised? Why there should be a breathalyzer to login to Eve:
Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii Podding my own alt in a gatecamp while drunk, he was carrying a hauler full of tech II goods, Oops.
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knifee
Caldari Rage Academy oooh Shiny
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Posted - 2007.06.11 16:02:00 -
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Originally by: Beef Hardslab
Of course it's bull****, but honestly are you surprised?
you know.. i was surprised :( maybe that makes me a bit naive but honestly i expected that given Xander was still doing this as we petitioned, they would do something about it.
To the guy who asked if he logged back in once we left.. yes, as soon as the main gang had gone he logged back in. Then smaked the cpl people that were still there. A genuine credit to Finfleet.
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Montague Zooma
Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.11 16:14:00 -
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Think of this incident as a maturity test.
Everyone failed.
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TechnoMag
Minmatar Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.18 13:06:00 -
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And where was your comments when a AAA/RA dread caught at a pos do same **** login/loggout until he was at a safe position???
Or where was your comments when i writed here many times about this RA tactics?
yeah its a known bug everyone know... and ra was the people who discovered and abused many times EULA 7. CONDUCT A. 1. You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System. |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.18 13:15:00 -
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Originally by: TechnoMag And where was your comments when a AAA/RA dread caught at a pos do same **** login/loggout until he was at a safe position???
Or where was your comments when i writed here many times about this RA tactics?
yeah its a known bug everyone know... and ra was the people who discovered and abused many times
It's lame, regardless of whoever is doing it. RA, BoB, State War Academy, The Pope, whatever. I hope CCP fixes it, and soon. --------
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Ashraaf
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2007.06.18 14:27:00 -
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Somethings that bother me it's that eve go more and more for mecanism than playing. Win or Survive, or kill at all cost transform a good game to something far less amusing
Maybe CCP have to think about "Push mecanism to limit" this is a great challenge for the game
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Nesa
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 17:57:00 -
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From what I've seen in the last 6 months, Eve has degenerated into this. Everyone is looking for a way to out-survive impossible odds. They will use over powered modules, they will go POS bowling, they will log out / in if it will save them. People will petition it, and 9 times out of 10 the response when told that 'it's not an exploit' will be to start using the tactic rather than actually try and get it fixed. It's a pretty sad state of affairs, and even though I've seen it alot more recently than in the past, it does seem to be a trend encouraged by some of the more 'successful' long term players and alliances.
I mean, if you experienced something like this, and hadn't already invested that much time in the game... you'd quit on the spot. Because there's so many ways to cheat death, there's becoming a big divide between the people that get killed in PvP, who then have to go and work hard for more isk, and those that just PvP all the time, because they hardly ever lose anything, they will just cloak/log if in trouble. It goes against the spirit of the game, because for every item there is supposed to be a counter, for each tactic, a counter tactic. We're now seeing tactics for which there is no counter. It's pretty sad and I know many who have played the game since the start who have left over it.
It's a bad day for the game when there are 2 choices, 'exploit' or lose to those that do. Because you know unless they have an fix in the pipeline it won't be ruled an exploit. By the time fixes arrive the next one is already at epidemic stage...
And damn. I need a faster computer... no way I could log in that many times in 1/2 hr.. :o takes me at least 90 seconds, I'd so be dead if I tried that.
Worst thing I ever did was get caught with a fleet @ downtime (so I didn't log off just downtime hit) come 3am I forget about it, and need to login to give someone a message.... :o ooops... Camp was still up and I didn't even notice I was being shot at until I hit structure (damn windows covering stuff).
I think I need to petition to put a bar on my acct that automatically logs me off @ midnight for my own protection. I only ever seem to lose ships by being stupid @ stupid hours of the night...
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Jimer Lins
Gallente Sanctuary
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:15:00 -
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I don't understand what advantage this conferred- isn't it more effective to warp all over the system, crap a bunch of midwarp bookmarks and lead the probers on a merry chase all over creation until you can hit a gate and GTFO?
I have a hard time fathoming how this could be useful. It does sound completely lame, though.
Oh, and the ewarp out of bubbles thing is going to be fixed in the next patch, so if you run into this after Tuesday you can bubble him up and nail him.
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
Combustion Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:34:00 -
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Originally by: Nesa Everyone is looking for a way to out-survive impossible odds.
this is human nature
please tell me you expect nothing else
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Hyperforce99
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:38:00 -
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WARNING!!! RANT TOWARDS USERS BELOW!!! ALSO INCLUDING A WAY TO SOLVE THIS PROBLEM!!!
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You people say you want these issues sorted and I agree with it... but how about some idea's hu...
YOU KEEP SAYING THAT CCP NEEDS TO FIX THE ISSUE BUT YOUR FOGETTING THAT THERE ISN'T MUCH THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!
Simple, CCP added the 15 min battle timer so people could scan them out, a good scaning expert can do this in under 2 min... maybe 3 - 4
now this guy is abusing the emergency warp system to prevent you from scanning him down, and I agree, thats pretty sad... unless your talking about empire space you could allways drop a bubble or a interdictor sphere... if your talking about empire space then I'm affraid theres not a lot you can do.
I agree its rediculious but tell us a way how to fix this without nerfing half of eve's log in system, leaving ships in space in this game WITHOUT emergency warp would be to rough...
you say the GM's need to kick (or even so rough as BAN) people when they do this, CCP can't, theres no rules in the ULEA that state they can't repleat log-in, offcourse its suspecious but even CCP at this point has no solid ground to act uppon. Besides if one GM tells you he can't act that doesn't mean the whole of EVE's devs are to be scolded for it.
A way this could be fixed would be to disable emergency warp for 2 min if a character logs in and out more than say 6 times in a period of 10 min. Would this satisfy your whining... it might.
In any case I find it just plainly unfair that people call CCP a bunch of money-grabbing bastards... they work hard to keep this game going and one person (T20) doing something wrong in the past doesn't make the whole of CCP like T20.
CCP people are also humans and they can't just go and BAN customers for doing something as low as log-in tactics, its lame, its stupid, it could be fixed with the described fix, but CCP devs arn't gods and unless you give them a way to SOLVE issues they might overlook them. This tactic is new, before it would just be people that logged off, now scanners are introduced it changed to lame people that log-in/out.
IF YOU WANT SOMETHING SOLVED GIVE IDEA'S NOW INSULTS...
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BluOrange
Gallente Agony Unleashed Agony Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.19 06:57:00 -
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Originally by: Hyperforce99
YOU KEEP SAYING THAT CCP NEEDS TO FIX THE ISSUE BUT YOUR FOGETTING THAT THERE ISN'T MUCH THEY CAN DO ABOUT IT!!!
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I agree its rediculious but tell us a way how to fix this without nerfing half of eve's log in system, leaving ships in space in this game WITHOUT emergency warp would be to rough...
Why?
Isn't eve intended to be cold and harsh? Isn't this supposed to be the opposite of Hello Kitty Online?
Oh, while I'm here, I'd just like to say that I spent half an hour yesterday trying to kill Beef Hardslab, and he had the decency not to log out. The fact that he didn't lose his ship is because he had a tactic he was using that wasn't an exploit. It pains me that playing the game properly exposes people to greater risk than gross, obvious abuses of mechanics that exist to cushion the blow.
If your game is supposed to be dark and harsh, I say 'take away the cushions'.
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Lady Gadiva
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:33:00 -
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Edited by: Lady Gadiva on 19/06/2007 09:32:57 Wasn't able to kill a non-combat ship (ratting raven) in a 3 on 1 gank situation.....must go to the forums and complain.
I love true PVP. Ganking Ravens is just good for stroking your killboard ego but we've all done it.
As far as I'm concerned if a Raven gets away from being ganked by logging or cloaking I really couldn't care less. Now if 3 of us jumped into a gate with 3 hostiles in combat ships and they logged or cloaked I would be pretty angry. But perhaps not enough to petition it.
I'm not endorsing it. It is lame beyond measure. He should just a fit a cloak so you can create a thread about how cloaking ravens are so lame because we really don't have enough of those either.
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R3dSh1ft
Dark Knights of Deneb Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:25:00 -
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this happened to me with a stabbed absolution. solution would be: once you engage in combat (as he had) you no longer e-warp on CTD. done. then you can't complain about your connection problems or anything as you choose to be in the game for the next 15 minutes and if you can't be you lose your ship. _________________________________________________________
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E Vile
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:33:00 -
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EVE has, and has had, the potential to be more than the standard MMO fare but allowing utter nonsense like this just makes a mockery of the whole character of this game
I totally agree. "The key to immortality is to first live a life worth remembering."
Shohadaku New York Metal
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MuNieK
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:07:00 -
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hmm... maybe i shall come back to World of Warcraft then... so there is nothing like 30 seconds logging out when not in safe area? Lol Eve devs seems to be even more ******** then WoW's ones... -.-' pathetic - and i was about to buy this game
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Malevolyn
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:32:00 -
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Originally by: Montague Zooma Think of this incident as a maturity test.
Everyone failed.
Just thought I'd quote this.
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Pimm
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: BluOrange
Isn't eve intended to be cold and harsh? Isn't this supposed to be the opposite of Hello Kitty Online?
One of the great things about this game is it can be as calm and mundane as mining or action packed and intense as PvP. Now I see people say stuff like "Unsportsmanlike", you have to laugh at that one. Three against one is not sportsmanlike no matter how you look at it. Did he abuse game mechanics maybe, it will be up to CCP to decide. So file a petition and move on.
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Tekumze Wolf
Minmatar Blueprint Haus Hydra Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:44:00 -
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I'd put in another timer.
If you log off and log in within the aggression timer you will be refused another login for x minutes. x=Number of logins within the same aggression timer.
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Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:04:00 -
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This sounds to me like an overblown, though not isolated incident.
Some people have such a strong sense of self-preservation that they're willing to meta-game in order to save their ship.
The problem you have with this guy logging is the same problem I have with everyone and their mother fitting protocloaks to their ships. They don't ever want to engage anything that isnt a rat or a vastly inferior gang, so they cloak and crtl+q, cloak and safespot, cloak and go open another can of cheez puffs.
But as frustrating as this is- people cloaking, people logging, I don't let it bother me. I've gotten as many kills taking advantage of the panic and stupidity of these metagamers as I've lost to their borderline exploitation.
Sure, shooting a logged of ship is totally unrewarding and dull, but when it drops a pile of faction loot and I get to mock the pod pilot once he logs back on for being a metagaming sissy it is immensely gratifying.
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kill0rbunny
Alpha-Hirogen Phoenix Allianz
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:05:00 -
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Don't make jokes about bunny's.
Bunnys are kewl.
I pew therefore I am.
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Xaarist
FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:30:00 -
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some comments:
1st: i will discuss this incident between the directors. no speculations on the outcome.
2nd: there are methods to counter this, especially if he had aggro, which you confirmed. if you don't know how to use them it is entirely your fault. i am not stating this in favour of our member, who's behaviour i consider lame, especially if it is true he was bragging in local about it.
3rd: thanks to RA, KOS, and GOON for being excellent teachers at this. be it logging off and on 100 times or teaching us how to kill them regardless of what they did.
i am interested in any chat logs of the incident. the members behaviour regarding logging is lame in deed, but not an exploit. smacktalk or provocations in local is a violation of corp rules though, and will be dealt with if proven.
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Glumpumpkin
House Elf Liberation Front
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:52:00 -
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Hey Xaarist you forgot to mention the part where despite the actions of a few individual metagamers in an alliance of 4000, RA, Goons, and KOS still managed to kick you out of all of your space AND have registered your alliance name as one of our own corporations.
You also forgot to mention the part where Finfleet pilots exploited POS aggression bugs to scan out and kill pilots who logged off in Detorid, sometimes hours after they logged.
I hope you enjoy being completely irrelevant.
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cflux
Caldari FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:06:00 -
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Edited by: cflux on 19/06/2007 13:07:50
Originally by: Glumpumpkin Hey Xaarist you forgot to mention the part where despite the actions of a few individual metagamers in an alliance of 4000, RA, Goons, and KOS still managed to kick you out of all of your space AND have registered your alliance name as one of our own corporations.
And a despite actions of an individual player in a corporation of 300 members, you try to make it sound that we are not in full understanding what happened in the last year?
Quote: You also forgot to mention the part where Finfleet pilots exploited POS aggression bugs to scan out and kill pilots who logged off in Detorid, sometimes hours after they logged.
Complete garbage. First of all, scanprobe does not tell if a pilot is bugged or not - if such happened it means we scanned a ship, found it AFK or logged with agro and killed it. If pilot was bugged such case is petionable and that way it can be reinbursed. Are you honestly claiming, that every covert-ops pilot should petition or convo hostile corporation before they can kill a ship in space, just to make sure CCP's game has not bugged? Or keep somehow track of 400+ people in local when pilot might have logged off? I think at this point we can fairly say that you are trolling and there is not a single alliance or corp ingame that even tries to do such imagenary thing.
Quote: I hope you enjoy being completely irrelevant.
Thank you, we do.
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Regarding the original complaint of FinFleet's pilots actions:
As Xaarist told, we are very interested in seeing the logs regarding the smacktalk - that is something we truly hate and actions will be taken on that. What it comes to internal matters of manners with individual pilots, much better result is achived by contacating our directors than trying to make a public smere campaing out of actions of one, especially when it comes from entity that is close to parties that tought us how to do this and how to counter it.
Pretty much all of our hostiles can tell that we fight upfront and quite honestly, taking losses and dealing them to others. Some might even say we have very high standards of values and honor in this corp. Sadly, as all corporations we do not have 24-7 big brother director coverage on single pilots who might be drunk, stoned, bored or feeling like giving back tactics they see on combat operations. Game Mechanics is something CCP has to address - not the playerbase, but still we are forced to become e-honor police due CCPs problems. That is not what I'm paying for, but you can take it granted that such issues are delt very seriously in the corporation if need arises. --
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Xaarist
FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:27:00 -
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Originally by: Glumpumpkin Hey Xaarist you forgot to mention the part where despite the actions of a few individual metagamers in an alliance of 4000, RA, Goons, and KOS still managed to kick you out of all of your space AND have registered your alliance name as one of our own corporations.
You also forgot to mention the part where Finfleet pilots exploited POS aggression bugs to scan out and kill pilots who logged off in Detorid, sometimes hours after they logged.
I hope you enjoy being completely irrelevant.
maybe some day you will understand what i was talking about, and what not. our point is made and our position clarified. results will be presented to involved parties only.
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cheesyhead
Minmatar Cruoris Seraphim Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:58:00 -
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haha, i had something like this before, we were probing a freighter pilot (after we killed its support ) and he was doing this so-called bunny hopping. We send duzons of petitions with all the same reply, its not an exploit, move on... we did manage to get on him a couple of times, but we couldnt lock even when he hadnt logged of yet, so we petitioned that, this time though, i think the devs responded and made him luckable or the player made a mistake and we locked him, bubbled him, aggroed him, shot him, popped him, podded him, he then logged on in a station, so its not always hopeless. ccp does listen. :P
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.06.19 14:10:00 -
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Am I the only one who, after seeing people show up in local (in a system that was previously empty), hit the cloak and move in a random directions?
I've seen people show up, looking for me. Not that they managed to find me.
At least I'm not logging off (which I think is lame). ------------------
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Posted - 2007.06.19 14:20:00 -
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it took over 14 alliances to oust LV, RA and pets achieved an objective no-one can deny that, the same can be said for RA logging, complex exploting, goonswarm using edited ui, t20, etc etc. to the point, he did not exploit as confirmed by a GM, get over yourselves or dont let the door hit you on the way out, just because its a game doesnt mean its exclusivly for children and there child like tantrums.. GL to him, apart from the smack that is, being ganked and avoiding being ganked he used game mechanics.
more and more this game is changing to evewhine online.
LV are extracting there revenge, just not under the LV banner.
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