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MuNieK
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: captain brainway
more and more this game is changing to evewhine online.
hmm those so called "whines" are the alarm for game developers - or at least should be... Im totally noob on my 14-days trial here, wondering "to buy" or "not to buy" this game and when i see posts like yours like "omg noob l2p this exploit is not exploit" makes me sick... cause i dont want to pay for game where only people wich know how ot abuse such BUGS or FOOLISH GAME MECHANICS may be considered as "non noobs" and everyone who whine about exploiting is considered as "fool" (i already noticed those word in this topic describing one of "whining" player)... For fair-play and challenge there is no room for exploits' abusing, and compromises about which exploit is possible to avoid and wich one is not - everything shall be reported to tech team and fixed. And if eve developers cant code 10-20 seconds logging off time then they are just lame. And if you say its better the way it is now - you are lame aswell, wanting to aquire some set up goals by your complexes by exploiting any **** in games. God... maybe i really should just end with all those subscription fee's leeching games with **** insetad of payed moderating, administrating, developing teams... hey, wake up this is screwed how it is. make developers take a look at it AND MAKE IT PLAYABLE with challenge, or try to heal your complexes second way.
p.s. pardon me my english
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Jelmer
Minmatar Core Domination Big Bang Quantum
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Posted - 2007.06.19 19:32:00 -
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Originally by: Xaarist Edited by: Xaarist on 19/06/2007 12:40:34 Edited by: Xaarist on 19/06/2007 12:36:31 some comments:
1st: i will discuss this incident between the directors. no speculations on the outcome.
2nd: there are methods to counter this, especially if he had aggro, which you confirmed. if you don't know how to use them it is entirely your fault. i am not stating this in favour of our member, who's behaviour i consider lame, especially if it is true he was bragging in local about it.
3rd: thanks to RA, KOS, and GOON for being excellent teachers at this. be it logging off and on 100 times or teaching us how to kill them regardless of what they did.
4th: making a post on eve-o about such things every time it happens will lead nowhere. complain about it directly the next time, it makes not only our pilot look stupid, but you guys, too.
i am interested in any chat logs of the incident. the members behaviour regarding logging is lame in deed, but not an exploit. smacktalk or provocations in local is a violation of corp rules though, and will be dealt with if proven.
edit: sending mails to Klezz will not get you anywhere since he is out of the game for a while. send them to me instead, i will forward them to directors boards.
Xaarist, I actually tried to convo/mail Demitron of your corp, who was online and in the next system to get a witness from your corp to the behaviour, but no reply.
I have no ill feelings against you in person, but I admit I fail to see what, apart from bubbles, which was tried, we could have done, since the emergency warp made it impossible to get a lock on the guy even when he was next to my ship. And trust me, my locking time in that ship is not long, as I was there as tackler.
You should know me and my corpmates well enough to know we speak the truth. Logs will have to come from someone else, as I had moved on to another system when he bragged about what I would chose to call an abuse of game mechanics.
Jelmer
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Xaarist
FinFleet
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Posted - 2007.06.20 07:04:00 -
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Edited by: Xaarist on 20/06/2007 07:03:58
Originally by: Jelmer I have no ill feelings against you in person, but I admit I fail to see what, apart from bubbles, which was tried, we could have done, since the emergency warp made it impossible to get a lock on the guy even when he was next to my ship. And trust me, my locking time in that ship is not long, as I was there as tackler.
believe me, we had a hard time "testing" how to counter it, it took us almost 6 hours with an average of 6 people, and we found out IT IS POSSIBLE to counter it, and this is why it is NOT considered an exploit. if you lack the skills or imagination to find it out, it is your problem. that's what i wanted to say with my second point. it still is lame tactics, but not exploiting. and in some replys in this thread you can already see what the use of your expression "exploit" has done. some people actually think it is a bannable exploit, which it isn't. it does not make it better, but at least our member did not violate the EULA. you can compare it to scamming or disrespecting a 1vs1, it is lame but not against EULA.
i am still waiting for proof, without any i will rather believe my own member than my enemies, as would everyone else.
and about demitron: if a hostile asks me to jump into the next system to witness something, yeah, what would you expect behind that gate? clue? ---------------- Your signature image exceeds the maximum allowed filesize of 24000 bytes -Sahwoolo Etoophie |
Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.06.24 00:27:00 -
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I JUST petitioned a GM and got the same answer as the OP... "logging in and out of the game is legal" Im sending a follow up letter asking if logging in/out JUST TO AVOID DYING is also legal. But I havent gotten a response yet "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page) |
Darth Moo
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Posted - 2007.06.24 00:28:00 -
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Thats horribly dishonorable but if its legal then all's fair... moo!
If its not an exploit then its fair game |
Admiral Seafort
DarkStar 1
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Posted - 2007.06.24 01:46:00 -
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Edited by: Admiral Seafort on 24/06/2007 01:44:49 Plenty of lame things are permitted, in EVE and throughout the real world. It doesn't make them any cooler, it just makes the person(s) who do(es) it (a) douche(s).
Though I should say that CCP would do well to look into certain behaviors that do not function as intended. They are the final judges as to whether the emergency warp function was intended for this purpose.
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Cpt Branko
Guardian Heroes
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:16:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Seafort Edited by: Admiral Seafort on 24/06/2007 01:44:49 Plenty of lame things are permitted, in EVE and throughout the real world. It doesn't make them any cooler, it just makes the person(s) who do(es) it (a) douche(s).
Though I should say that CCP would do well to look into certain behaviors that do not function as intended. They are the final judges as to whether the emergency warp function was intended for this purpose.
Ehhh... That's why CCP can make rules to make things not only lame, but illegal.
Metagaming to get risk-free PvP should not be legal. That's the basic argument here. I'm all for removing emergency warp when you've got aggro, anyway. What's the point of emergency warp, anyway?
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Saori Rei
Gallente Arcana Imperii Ltd. The Cartel.
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:24:00 -
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Not sure if it is me, but it seems that this tactic has become a lot more common recently. Not sure what brought it on specifically. I understand -why- people do it but I think it is cheating, childish and close to an exploit if not -an- exploit.
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Mr Smartypants
Amarr Dragon Mining And Fighters Inc
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Posted - 2007.06.24 02:45:00 -
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Edited by: Mr Smartypants on 24/06/2007 02:47:12 Is this behavoir of Bunny-Hopping the cause of Tranquility's latest technical 'hicup'?
I think its a dishonest losers tactic personally, but hey what do I know Im just a 14 Day trial guy who is already aquainted with those types of meta-exploiters (not in my Corp ). Im not keen on rolling over for them but at this stage what can I do.
As the previous trial user stated, why would anyone consider playing and putting a lot of dedication into Eve if those types of characters and the ability to ab-use game mechanics go unchecked.
But just to poke the embers here, should I look forward to seeing the games stability rapidly decline because Bunny-(wabbit)-Hopping is considered the norm and a clever tactical use of the <Esc> key?
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Darth Moo
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:30:00 -
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bunny hopping ftw moo!
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Pyrostasis
Caldari Ctrl Alt Elite
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:38:00 -
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Forgive me, Im more or less new to the whole pvp stuff when it comes to probing and what not... but from what it sounds like... several of you were hunting one guy down... where he more or less has no chance of fighting back as he is out numbered, yet your frustrated that you have no chance in killing him.
Seems to me he is doing too you exactly as your doing to him. Neither of you have a chance.
Now, I agree he is exploiting and thats cheap, approved or not... however, blobbing a guy down imo is cheap to. Maybe Im just from a different school, but I prefer fair fights... not insta killing someone to pad my killboard.
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FarScape III
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:57:00 -
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Originally by: knifee
Originally by: Sean Hernandez Would you be able to get him with an interceptor and Smartbomb? Just 1 hit to give him the aggro timer.
he had agro, before he logged he was agroed, thats why we started to scan for him. We found him to, a few times. We even bubbled him. However when he comes out of warp hes already logged off, so he warps out of bubbles and he cant be locked.
As long as he keeps logging in/out until we get tired a leave its imposable for him to lose his ship. However the GMs confirmed a few times tonight that its perfectly ok. Although they didn't seem willing to share why.
Probably because you can suicide gank and actually get paid for concord destroying you doing a criminal act.
But I would never so called alt-q or bunny hop because my name would be mud in those parts. And what is the point of playing the game when there is no sport in it?
IMO he did not win anyways so no I win button, he is now going to look like a moron in those parts. How is that wining?
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Darth Moo
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Posted - 2007.06.24 05:19:00 -
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Originally by: FarScape III what is the point of playing the game when there is no sport in it?
QFT
like blobbing ppl to death... etc etc etc
moo!
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Richard Aiel
Caldari The Funkstars Guild
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Posted - 2007.06.24 05:21:00 -
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Well, according to the guys here:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=543031
Its an easy fix so whats the problem? "The environment plays a big part but EVE is a "PvP" game." Oveur (Its not a MMORPG after all - I sent Oveur a email to update the main page) |
Haks'he Lirky
8th
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Posted - 2007.06.24 05:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alphamarine Utterly pathetic way of using ingame mechanics as an "I win button"
Please tell me how he won by doing this?
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Pyrostasis
Caldari Ctrl Alt Elite
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Posted - 2007.06.24 05:59:00 -
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More like a Dont get blobbed button =)
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Lone Solo
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.24 06:09:00 -
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Originally by: Visionsz I can't believe you have attention spans of 30 minutes
Well actually studies have shown that a male mind thinks about sex on average once every 30 sec, this meens thay got to think about sex 60 times while hunting him and that cant be dull :)
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