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Jenshae Chiroptera
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Posted - 2012.01.03 20:59:00 -
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I hope that they have a separate chat channel for it, the "station channel" otherwise Local will be like those channels when someone is typing while listening to someone else talking on VoIP.
Then there are all the people with it disabled, so won't be nor ever want to participate. Taking that into consideration, there will be many stations that will have only a few lost people wandering around empty stations. Not quite what you had in mind I am guessing.
Finally, there will be all the lag in major stations like Jita trade hub that you will all complain and moan about. All the people standing around blocking where you want to go. Not to mention all the ganking / griefing mentality people that will be crowding around you and trying to block you or push you.
Yuck. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Lyron-Baktos
Selective Pressure Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2012.01.03 21:03:00 -
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can't wait to see the prostitutes that are bound to show up On holiday. -áIn some other world. Where the music of the radio was a labyrinth of sonorous colours. To a bright centre of absolute convicton. -áWhere the dripping patchouli was more than scent. -á It was a sun |
Malgalad
Phoenix Legion Industries
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Posted - 2012.01.03 21:07:00 -
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i'm guessing they will allow for walking through toons, otherwise yea you're gonna end up getting trapped in a circle of people. |
Reiisha
Splint Eye Probabilities Inc. Dawn of Transcendence
75
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Posted - 2012.01.03 21:07:00 -
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Check the Fanfest 2008 videos if you can find them. We could actually play around with it there. |
sycore101
Global Economy Experts Stellar Economy Experts
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Posted - 2012.01.03 21:36:00 -
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Something about the way chat will work .. anyoen remember PSN Home when it first arrived in that you could hear people talking were close to you .. & the typing appearing above the avatars .. i liked it for the short time i used it
As for lag, i'm sure there be some kind of work around, i ain't no professional at programming etc, but WiS is bound to be another giant install -- talking of install i did a refresh install -- 18Gb -- Woooa
So anyway for lag in WiS, i presume that most of the hard stuff will be "computed" on your graphics card .. shaders etc, while your actuall avatar will just be a small bit of info being sent to sever in a virtual barren environment, along with everyone else .. so when the info gets sent bak to you at home .. it's again your graphics card doing all the detail.
Anyway thats my simple terms of why WiS could be a success wether anyone stays longenough to be walking about is another thing.
I did read an earlier post about being able to watch Dust 514 matches while in station which would be cool, being able to relay messages to orbiting ships, helping out & what not.
Eve is in for some interesting updates |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
4270
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Posted - 2012.01.03 21:40:00 -
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Imagine it? NahGǪ I've seen it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
If not, contact Miss DSA to shed your wardecs. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
398
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Posted - 2012.01.03 21:50:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Imagine it? NahGǪ I've seen it.
With all the people and on your home machines? Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Vincent Athena
V.I.C.E. Comic Mischief
247
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Posted - 2012.01.03 22:01:00 -
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Ive heard you sort of bump through crowds. You cannot block someone in.
Yes, there does need to be a "In station" channel of some sort that just gives you chat for people in "ear shot".
Also we need a way to see if there are any establishments in a station, and what they offer. That way we can find where to go to gamble or buy boosters, as well as find other players. Players manage to find each other in space. Space it much bigger than the inside of a station. We can find each other.
It may be best to have transport tubes or something that takes you to where there is stuff, rather than having players randomly wandering about these huge stations. Areas which do not yet have content can be labeled "closed: for rent". I assume that what we will find behind the door, once we get through it, will be a transport tube.
There also needs to be an incana HUD for setting expressions, initiating gestures, and so on. Incarna appeals to role players, so game controls that allow them to have more fun role playing are needed.
I imagine that what play would be like is you walk to the door, open it. Get in the tube, select an establishment. Walk out of the tube and into the establishment. (The tube may drop you into a common area where there are several establishments close to each other.) Chat to others, buy boosters, gamble, do other business. When done, hit "undock". The game automatically walks you back to the tube and on entering it the screen blacks for a second and then you are in space. CCP employees should never proclaim a feature to be awesome. Only subscribers should. Subscribers can never answer a question posed to CCP. Only CCP can. |
Rixiu
North Star Networks The Kadeshi
62
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Posted - 2012.01.03 22:21:00 -
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Reiisha wrote:Check the Fanfest 2008 videos if you can find them. We could actually play around with it there.
Only problem is that they scrapped practically all of that work (or so it seems) because it wasn't :awesome: enough (or maybe too :awesome: causing it to implode on itself). |
Soulpirate
State War Academy Caldari State
47
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Posted - 2012.01.03 22:28:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:I hope that they have a separate chat channel for it, the "station channel" otherwise Local will be like those channels when someone is typing while listening to someone else talking on VoIP.
Then there are all the people with it disabled, so won't be nor ever want to participate. Taking that into consideration, there will be many stations that will have only a few lost people wandering around empty stations. Not quite what you had in mind I am guessing.
Finally, there will be all the lag in major stations like Jita trade hub that you will all complain and moan about. All the people standing around blocking where you want to go. Not to mention all the ganking / griefing mentality people that will be crowding around you and trying to block you or push you.
Yuck. Well first off, if "all the people" are going to disable it who will be "all the people standing around blocking where you want to go" ?
But as to the question of the thread, yes I can imagine the reality of it.
I imagine getting station missions which may involve running a mission "on foot" within that station, or even jumping in my ship to fly to another station to enter the mission area there.
I imagine getting missions that involve doing your standard space mission with the end objective being an "on foot" combat component on a boardable structure at the end of the space combat portion.
I imagine walking in stations to attract a much wider player base from the MMO community who will inevitably fall in love with the FIS part of the game, thus bolstering the subs and bringing in more revenue to improve whatever the whine of the day might be.
I imagine a whole new player run economy on stations involving consumables and vanity items.
I imagine just chilling out and voice chatting with people not in my corp/fleet while possibly having a game of some sort around a table in a smokey bar.
I imagine EVE becoming a more complete and emersive sci-fi simulation and becoming something never seen in the industry.
I imagine so much more for EVE.
If all you can imagine from change is negative, I don't know what to say to you except learn to dream. |
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hired goon
Legio Prima Victrix Imperius Legio Victrix
46
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Posted - 2012.01.03 23:35:00 -
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People in stations will be on a separate node. |
Tiberius Sunstealer
Phantom Soulreavers
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Posted - 2012.01.04 00:03:00 -
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sycore101 wrote:talking of install i did a refresh install -- 18Gb -- Woooa Woah. 18GB? You must've got a super special install as the last time I made an install it was only 10GB (It was just after Crucible launching).
sycore101 wrote:So anyway for lag in WiS, i presume that most of the hard stuff will be "computed" on your graphics card .. shaders etc, while your actuall avatar will just be a small bit of info being sent to sever in a virtual barren environment, along with everyone else .. so when the info gets sent bak to you at home .. it's again your graphics card doing all the detail. OP is talking about server lag when you're in an area that has population in the quad digits like Jita.
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2012.01.04 00:06:00 -
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Imagine all the people.... lagging-out today.. whoo-hooo-a-hoo.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Jenshae Chiroptera
398
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Posted - 2012.01.04 00:26:00 -
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Vincent Athena wrote:... It may be best to have transport tubes or something that takes you to where there is stuff, rather than having players randomly wandering about these huge stations. Areas which do not yet have content can be labeled "closed: for rent". I assume that what we will find behind the door, once we get through it, will be a transport tube. ...
This reminded me of something. It always seems like a nice idea to have player owned areas, simulators in Second Life, player cities in Anarchy Online, houses and keeps in Ultima Online, so forth and so on, however, invariably they tend to be empty, under used and quite forlorn.
I can see CCP trying to make their own version, those corp offices that would always be empty. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Cherry Nobyl
Shadow Strike Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.04 00:39:00 -
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Quote: Walking in Stations - Have you tried to imagine the reality of it?
add to skill queue ' tool use level 4' add to skill queue 'screwdrivers level 3' add to skill queue 'shanking level 5'
flavour to taste in
'lockpicking' 'pickpocketing' 'sidearms' 'personal protection'
'threesoming' |
Olleybear
I R' Carebear
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Posted - 2012.01.04 01:41:00 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
This reminded me of something. It always seems like a nice idea to have player owned areas, simulators in Second Life, player cities in Anarchy Online, houses and keeps in Ultima Online, so forth and so on, however, invariably they tend to be empty, under used and quite forlorn.
Are they empty because there is nothing to do in them? Would there be more people using them if there was something more to do than just stand there? Like say, a table top minigame like poker for iskies or that strategy game ccp showed us? |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2012.01.04 01:45:00 -
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Cherry Nobyl wrote:Quote: Walking in Stations - Have you tried to imagine the reality of it? add to skill queue ' tool use level 4' add to skill queue 'screwdrivers level 3' add to skill queue 'shanking level 5' flavour to taste in 'lockpicking' 'pickpocketing' 'sidearms' 'personal protection' 'threesoming'
Right after you train "wishful thinking " to level 5, and drink more kool-aid.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Cherry Nobyl
Shadow Strike Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:03:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:
Right after you train "wishful thinking " to level 5, and drink more kool-aid.
adds to skillqueue 'chatting with monkies 4' adds to skillqueue 'kool aid mixing 3' adds to skillqueue 'jonestown 5'
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Jenshae Chiroptera
398
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:04:00 -
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Olleybear wrote: ... Are they empty because there is nothing to do in them? Would there be more people using them if there was something more to do than just stand there? Like say, a table top minigame like poker for iskies or that strategy game ccp showed us?
There are things to do in them.
I was going to post a whole bunch of other screen shots but suddenly and thankfully had second thoughts. Whew. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
136
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:10:00 -
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Cherry Nobyl wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
Right after you train "wishful thinking " to level 5, and drink more kool-aid.
adds to skillqueue 'chatting with monkies 4' adds to skillqueue 'kool aid mixing 3' adds to skillqueue 'jonestown 5'
I see you have yet to differentiate between CCP marketing and what CCP is actually is capable of delivering.
Don't worry, after you have been here more than a year or two you will begin to understand the difference and how to read between the lines.
OP should read: Waiting in stations.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
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Cherry Nobyl
Shadow Strike Syndicate
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:15:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Cherry Nobyl wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
Right after you train "wishful thinking " to level 5, and drink more kool-aid.
adds to skillqueue 'chatting with monkies 4' adds to skillqueue 'kool aid mixing 3' adds to skillqueue 'jonestown 5' I see you have yet to differentiate between CCP marketing and what CCP is actually is capable of delivering. Don't worry, after you have been here more than a year or two you will begin to understand the difference and how to read between the lines. OP should read: Waiting in stations.
do you also take this to be the next expansion? grab a clue and realize the 'between the lines 'bit you mentioned.
An Eve Morning Player: brush teeth Eve: you donGÇÖt have a toothbrush Player: buy Electric Toothbrush I Eve: are you sure? that item is 43 jumps away Player: fly to item Eve: autopilot disabled. waypoint reached Player: dock Eve: docking permission requested Player: dock Eve: docking permission requested Player: dock Player: dock Player: dock Eve: docking request...... accepted Player: buy Electric Toothbrush I Player: equip Electric Toothbrush I Eve: you donGÇÖt have the skills necessary to use that item Player: buy Teethbrushing Player: train Teethbrushing I Eve: skill training complete Player: equip Electric Toothbrush I Eve: you donGÇÖt have the skills necessary to use that item Player: buy Electric Toothbrush Operation Player: train Electric Toothbrush Operation I Eve: skill training complete Player: equip Electric Toothbrush I Eve: insufficient power |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
137
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:20:00 -
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Cherry Nobyl wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Cherry Nobyl wrote:Doc Fury wrote:
Right after you train "wishful thinking " to level 5, and drink more kool-aid.
adds to skillqueue 'chatting with monkies 4' adds to skillqueue 'kool aid mixing 3' adds to skillqueue 'jonestown 5' I see you have yet to differentiate between CCP marketing and what CCP is actually is capable of delivering. Don't worry, after you have been here more than a year or two you will begin to understand the difference and how to read between the lines. OP should read: Waiting in stations. do you also take this to be the next expansion? grab a clue and realize the 'between the lines 'bit you mentioned. An Eve Morning Player: brush teeth Eve: you donGÇÖt have a toothbrush Player: buy Electric Toothbrush I Eve: are you sure? that item is 43 jumps away Player: fly to item Eve: autopilot disabled. waypoint reached Player: dock Eve: docking permission requested Player: dock Eve: docking permission requested Player: dock Player: dock Player: dock Eve: docking request...... accepted Player: buy Electric Toothbrush I Player: equip Electric Toothbrush I Eve: you donGÇÖt have the skills necessary to use that item Player: buy Teethbrushing Player: train Teethbrushing I Eve: skill training complete Player: equip Electric Toothbrush I Eve: you donGÇÖt have the skills necessary to use that item Player: buy Electric Toothbrush Operation Player: train Electric Toothbrush Operation I Eve: skill training complete Player: equip Electric Toothbrush I Eve: insufficient power
I definitely want some of what you are having, because whatever you are on to is off the rails.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Jenshae Chiroptera
398
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:21:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:... OP should read: Waiting in stations.
Link please? Title changed to reflect that. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Ai Shun
State War Academy Caldari State
105
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:28:00 -
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Cherry Nobyl wrote:An Eve Morning Player: brush teeth Eve: you donGÇÖt have a toothbrush Player: buy Electric Toothbrush I Eve: are you sure? that item is 43 jumps away Player: fly to item Eve: autopilot disabled. waypoint reached Player: dock Eve: docking permission requested Player: dock Eve: docking permission requested Player: dock Player: dock Player: dock Eve: docking request...... accepted Player: buy Electric Toothbrush I Player: equip Electric Toothbrush I Eve: you donGÇÖt have the skills necessary to use that item Player: buy Teethbrushing Player: train Teethbrushing I Eve: skill training complete Player: equip Electric Toothbrush I Eve: you donGÇÖt have the skills necessary to use that item Player: buy Electric Toothbrush Operation Player: train Electric Toothbrush Operation I Eve: skill training complete Player: equip Electric Toothbrush I Eve: insufficient power
Switch on light. Get out of bed. Get Bathrobe. Look in pocket. Use analgesic. Get toothbrush. Get screwdriver. South. Lie down. Wait. Wait.
It read a bit like that |
Dmian
Gallenterrorisme
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:30:00 -
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Here's a neat idea:
CCP should create free-to-play accounts (it's a fashion for MMORPGs nowadays.) These players can't fly ships, only live in a station. If they want to change station, they have to take the Intebus Shuttle. These players can only get the lousy jobs nobody wants, like sweeping the floor, cleaning toilets, changing lightbulbs, and such. They can event put a space MacDonald's, so they can flip burgers there. Or be a bartender or something. If they want to make money fast, they can prostitute themselves, of course. Think of something like the red light district from Total Recall. In that way stations will be full of people.
(Just kidding) |
Vyl Vit
Cambio Enterprises
179
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:31:00 -
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I made a list of the ten most troublesome things to worry about just as the Mayan calendar runs out. This was not among them.
To her it doesn't matter much.-á It's chasms have been leapt, and she leans upon the skepticism of her chosen fate. |
Jenshae Chiroptera
398
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Posted - 2012.01.04 02:43:00 -
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Vyl Vit wrote:I made a list of the ten most troublesome things to worry about just as the Mayan calendar runs out. This was not among them.
Don't worry about that, they just ran out of stone or the guy carving it was retrenched during a recession. Ideas and stuff EVE - the game of sand castles, either building them or kicking them down. |
Razor Grey
Orphans of Charon
5
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Posted - 2012.01.04 03:48:00 -
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*If it ever comes to pass*
I am curious about in station security. I mean how long would it take before someone goes Rambo on the Jita trade spammers? |
RubyPorto
Profoundly Disturbed RED.Legion
1126
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Posted - 2012.01.04 04:17:00 -
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Tiberius Sunstealer wrote:sycore101 wrote:talking of install i did a refresh install -- 18Gb -- Woooa Woah. 18GB? You must've got a super special install as the last time I made an install it was only 10GB (It was just after Crucible launching).
It requires 18gigs to install then cleans itself up to 10g
And I'll join WIS as soon as I can buy a knife for WIS. |
Xuko Nuki
Submerged Living
0
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Posted - 2012.01.04 04:22:00 -
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Rixiu wrote:Reiisha wrote:Check the Fanfest 2008 videos if you can find them. We could actually play around with it there. Only problem is that they scrapped practically all of that work (or so it seems) because it wasn't :awesome: enough (or maybe too :awesome: causing it to implode on itself).
It was so awesome they wanted to make an even more awesome one for WoD but the result was so awesome EVE couldn't take it and it completely destroyed WoD. It was an awesopocalypse. |
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