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Cookie Snatcher
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.12 09:15:00 -
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Whats the point of that ship now? It doesnt have anything better than the others. In fact its the worst in every category. Worst speed, highest mass, lowest lock speed, worst powergrid, smallest cargo, highest signature, worst capacitor etc. It should at least have 4 launchers and more powergrid to fit those. Oh, well, at least caldari has ONE good ship, that being crow.
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Nye Jaran
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Posted - 2007.06.12 09:18:00 -
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The point is to further **** over the Caldari. That is all.
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Gyro DuAquin1
Tri Optimum Ev0ke
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Posted - 2007.06.12 09:38:00 -
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manticore now sucks as every other stealthbomber.
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Dragy
Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.06.12 09:49:00 -
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Edited by: Dragy on 12/06/2007 09:48:31 After lil reworking with the bombing system, they'll be a great ships, and kinetic damage is very good if you ask me clicky
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Cookie Snatcher
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.12 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Dragy Edited by: Dragy on 12/06/2007 09:48:31 After lil reworking with the bombing system, they'll be a great ships, and kinetic damage is very good if you ask me clicky
did you see me whining about kinetic damage? If you did, then plz re-read my post.
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Norris Packard
Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 10:06:00 -
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its got the longest lock on range of the bunch, thats got to count for something
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Dahak2150
Chaos Monkeys
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Posted - 2007.06.12 10:31:00 -
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Longest lock range
Doesn't have a ****ty damage type. You want 25% bonus to EM? I'll trade you. ----------------
Originally by: "Cyberus" cause its has no sence anyway your brains is simply wont accept that anyway.
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Brodde Dim
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Posted - 2007.06.12 10:36:00 -
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Yes, now that it isnt over 50% better than the others, it is broken.
I wish they would give all caldari ships atleast 150% in all stats compared to other races, just to reduce forum whining.
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Cookie Snatcher
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.12 11:18:00 -
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Originally by: Brodde Dim Yes, now that it isnt over 50% better than the others, it is broken.
I wish they would give all caldari ships atleast 150% in all stats compared to other races, just to reduce forum whining.
so you are saying that its ok to suck in everything and have nothing in return?
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Gartel Reiman
Project F3
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Posted - 2007.06.12 12:24:00 -
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Originally by: Cookie Snatcher Whats the point of that ship now?
Bombs.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.12 12:27:00 -
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Originally by: Brodde Dim Yes, now that it isnt over 50% better than the others, it is broken.
I wish they would give all caldari ships atleast 150% in all stats compared to other races, just to reduce forum whining.
Oh look, gallente and amarr drones are over 50% better than caldari and minmatar drones.... Its cos gallante and amarr are meant to be the drone races (obviously more gallente than amarr)
Caldari is meant to be the missile race so why does it now potentially have the worst in a class or missile boats?
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Brodde Dim
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Posted - 2007.06.12 12:31:00 -
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No Im saying it should be as easy to fly caldari in PvP as it is in PvE. Its a pain every time a spoiled raven pilot realizes that everything else is a lot harder, and decides to whine about it instead of just training and adapting.
Caldari certainly dont lack good ships. Its probably the faction that has the most complete set of ships.
And about the SB changes; If they took away the redicolous advantage the manticore had, and then replaced it with something just as good, the balancing would have failed. The differences between the bombers right now are really small, and if there are any major issues I guess it will be fixed soon enough. (I mean the manticores super advantage didnt last very long did it?)
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Brodde Dim
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Posted - 2007.06.12 12:35:00 -
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Originally by: Murehz
Caldari is meant to be the missile race so why does it now potentially have the worst in a class or missile boats?
They are the best missile race, no doubt. I dont recall seeing them mentioned as the superior covert ops race though.
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Night Tripper
Es and Whizz
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Posted - 2007.06.12 12:36:00 -
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Originally by: Murehz
Originally by: Brodde Dim Yes, now that it isnt over 50% better than the others, it is broken.
I wish they would give all caldari ships atleast 150% in all stats compared to other races, just to reduce forum whining.
Oh look, gallente and amarr drones are over 50% better than caldari and minmatar drones.... Its cos gallante and amarr are meant to be the drone races (obviously more gallente than amarr)
Caldari is meant to be the missile race so why does it now potentially have the worst in a class or missile boats?
Minmatar are the second missile race, it's not fair that the Amarr and Gallente are on a similar par, they should only have one missile slot, and only fit a civilian missile launcher at that. Because that's how it's meant to be. Can't you see the logic?
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.12 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Brodde Dim
Originally by: Murehz
Caldari is meant to be the missile race so why does it now potentially have the worst in a class or missile boats?
They are the best missile race, no doubt. I dont recall seeing them mentioned as the superior covert ops race though.
I don't see gallente being mentioned as the best industrial race.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.12 12:58:00 -
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Originally by: Murehz Caldari is meant to be the missile race so why does it now potentially have the worst in a class or missile boats?
And minmatar are supposed to be the hit & run race and because of this they have the best intercep..oh..wait.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.12 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Murehz Caldari is meant to be the missile race so why does it now potentially have the worst in a class or missile boats?
And minmatar are supposed to be the hit & run race and because of this they have the best intercep..oh..wait.
And what are interceptors meant to do... INTERCEPT... and out of all the interceptors which is quite often consider best at tackling... hmm is it by any chance the minmatar one .
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Brodde Dim
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Posted - 2007.06.12 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Murehz
I don't see gallente being mentioned as the best industrial race.
If you use stealhbombers for industrial purposes I can see where it starts to fail.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.12 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: Murehz And what are interceptors meant to do... INTERCEPT...
t0mb (who is if you do not know the person at CCP who DESIGNED the interceptors) said they were and are supposed to be a fast attack ship. Not primary a tacklemobile. That was after a rather heated discussion in the forums between the "attack ships" and "tacklers" faction which he pretty much killed with that statement.
You loose. Next.
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Murehz
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Posted - 2007.06.12 13:06:00 -
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Originally by: Brodde Dim
Originally by: Murehz
I don't see gallente being mentioned as the best industrial race.
If you use stealhbombers for industrial purposes I can see where it starts to fail.
I said that because even though they aren't best at industry in backstory they still have the best industrial.
Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Murehz And what are interceptors meant to do... INTERCEPT...
t0mb (who is if you do not know the person at CCP who DESIGNED the interceptors) said they were and are supposed to be a fast attack ship. Not primary a tacklemobile. That was after a rather heated discussion in the forums between the "attack ships" and "tacklers" faction which he pretty much killed with that statement.
You loose. Next.
Well the claw is the second fasest inty whilst being able to do more damage than the fastest.
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Brodde Dim
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Posted - 2007.06.12 13:09:00 -
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Originally by: Murehz industry in backstory they still have the best industrial.
What does that have to do with the manticore?
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Rigsta
Gallente Raddick Explorations Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.12 13:13:00 -
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Edited by: Rigsta on 12/06/2007 13:12:35 The bombers are not finished yet. Even the cloaked speed bonus is currently broken on sisi. I doubt they'd release rev 2 with the Manticore in this state, because as you said it is categoricly the worst bomber even if it does have a nice versatile damage type.
Originally by: Jim McGregor I felt the disturbance... it was like a million voices suddenly stopped whining for a second. Unfortunantly it then continued.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.12 13:31:00 -
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Originally by: Murehz Well the claw is the second fasest inty whilst being able to do more damage than the fastest.
3rd fastest. While orbiting at least. Crusader is the fastest. Crow the 2nd fastest. claw the 3rd. And more damage is debateable. At speeds over 5 km/s not really.
The point here is that a race isn't always the top dog in their speciality
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Tunajuice
Convergent Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.12 13:51:00 -
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ALso, while the itty 5 is the best t1 indy it's t2 variations IMO aren't the top dog. They are more expensive than the other transports because everyone and their alt who specced into hauling trained for the itty5 before the t2 versions were introduced. As result there are more player who can fly those. Both amarr and minmatar have betetr transport ships than gallente though. Not much better, mind you, but better.
Sorry, you are wrong. The itty5 still fits the most m^3 with rigs. A fully rigged imepl is about 2k smaller than a fulled rig ged itt5, and has a worse tank to boot (itty5 has midslots for a tank, impel has no such spare slots)
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Dristra
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.12 13:58:00 -
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Originally by: Murehz
Originally by: Brodde Dim Yes, now that it isnt over 50% better than the others, it is broken.
I wish they would give all caldari ships atleast 150% in all stats compared to other races, just to reduce forum whining.
Oh look, gallente and amarr drones are over 50% better than caldari and minmatar drones.... Its cos gallante and amarr are meant to be the drone races (obviously more gallente than amarr)
Caldari is meant to be the missile race so why does it now potentially have the worst in a class or missile boats?
are you drunk and insane? the amarr drones are the worst in the game... look up the stats before you talk man...
It's great being Amarr isn't it.
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Aramendel
Amarr Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.12 14:08:00 -
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Originally by: Tunajuice Sorry, you are wrong. The itty5 still fits the most m^3 with rigs. A fully rigged imepl is about 2k smaller than a fulled rig ged itt5, and has a worse tank to boot (itty5 has midslots for a tank, impel has no such spare slots)
Fristly, reading comprehension. How does this change in ANY way that impel > occator?
Secondly, worse tank??? An itty5 can mount 4 MSE2 and 1 SSE2 (if you use no AB). Great. Then it has 4932 base shield and 1368 base armor. 6300 total. The impel has more WITHOUT any modules. And t2 resistances on them. And is able to fit a MWD.
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Dragy
Caldari Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2007.06.12 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Dragy on 12/06/2007 14:36:39
Originally by: Cookie Snatcher
Originally by: Dragy Edited by: Dragy on 12/06/2007 09:48:31 After lil reworking with the bombing system, they'll be a great ships, and kinetic damage is very good if you ask me clicky
did you see me whining about kinetic damage? If you did, then plz re-read my post.
KINETIC DAMAGE IS VERY GOOD IF YOU ASK ME
it's an argument that will help you understand that manticore will not be obsolete and still got some use
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Scaramunga Scaramai
Amarr Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.12 14:45:00 -
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Edited by: Scaramunga Scaramai on 12/06/2007 14:44:30
Originally by: Cookie Snatcher WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.
poor ikkle baby
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Shardrael
Caldari AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:18:00 -
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racial frig to 5 is one of the easiest cross trains you can do, if you like another stealth bomber more just train it, caldari one still has its uses though
Originally by: Stamm Some people might have been convinced by the official announcement posted by Steelrat, but not me, I wasn't convinced until some random alt posts a brand new thread.
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Shirow Miyazaki
Amarr I.Z.U Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.12 15:18:00 -
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As a manticore pilot i'm a bit unhappy about the effective nerfing of it, but as i'm going to be training for amarr AF/inty anyway i'm going to need amarr frig 5, which means i'll also be able to hop in a purifier, so i'm not overall to miffed about this.
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