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RaithSphere
Minmatar Forsaken to the Core
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:05:00 -
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the idea of China People doing this is from the idea of Chinese Gold Farmers
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Areaulius
NewsFlashNot all farmer-sellers are poor people from China. Many are lazy Americans/Europeans/Others on welfare, or a similar system that promotes laziness. While most of us work, these scum are playing games and collecting handouts!
Sorry, I found that quite amusing.
I'm willing to bet you fall into the lazy American demographic.
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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo
Originally by: Areaulius
NewsFlashNot all farmer-sellers are poor people from China. Many are lazy Americans/Europeans/Others on welfare, or a similar system that promotes laziness. While most of us work, these scum are playing games and collecting handouts!
Sorry, I found that quite amusing.
I'm willing to bet you fall into the lazy American demographic.
lol agreed. it did make me chuckle but he's absolutely spot on. the whole race thing being brought into it is annoying and compeltely irrelevent.
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:17:00 -
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Let's face it - if we could get paid enough to live at our current standard of living just by playing Eve, we would. ------------------
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:20:00 -
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I dont care about race, but its just a simple fact that the majority of farmers are from asia with glibberish names in NPC corps that only destroy the game that we try to enjoy.
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Areaulius
Caldari Mad Mercs
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo Sorry, I found that quite amusing.
I'm willing to bet you fall into the lazy American demographic.
If you mean a lazy American who thinks programs like welfare and foreign aid encourage bad behavior (like laziness), and said programs need to be eliminated, then you are correct
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.06.13 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Areaulius If you mean a lazy American who thinks programs like welfare and foreign aid encourage bad behavior (like laziness), and said programs need to be eliminated, then you are correct
O...k, so why do the countries with Welfare programs have high standards of living, GDPs and productivities?
There was no welfare during the Great Depression. The Great Depression was not a time of great social happiness, mass employment and productive work, was it?
Afterwards, welfare, and no Great Depressions since.
Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.14 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01 Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 13/06/2007 17:32:30
Originally by: Karlemgne .....
Still defending farmers, are you?
EDIT: As for the EULA and ISK farmers/sellers...
Quote: B. Selling Items and Objects You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above.
Want more?
Defending farmers? In a round about way I suppose. In reality, I'm just trying to make people actually think about others, you know, the ones behind the characters in game.
CCP is well within their rights to keep people from selling their virtual property for real life currency. I am also well within my rights to call some ignorant, hollier than thou, EULA warrior out on some issues.
First and foremost being that the Yen is not the currency of China, which is where he clearly thought these people were from.
As for you quoting the EULA at me, I never once claimed that isk farming, or rather is SELLING, wasn't a violation. What I was doing is pointing out that people cite the EULA, normally without ever having read it. You probably haven't read it either. You just found the part the suites you.
Also, I think the whole issue is rather humerous, as 85% of people who play MMOs regularly violate the EULA that they've never read, but these same people are always the first to scream up and down about banning someone they don't like for "violating the EULA."
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.14 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Areaulius
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: SantaKlauz
Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 13/06/2007 16:42:20
Originally by: SantaKlauz eve is a game to play, not work. Cannot be both for players. (hides from dev comments)
It is work to that poor shmuck you are petitioning who probably makes a dollar for every 12 hour day of currency farming.
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy. The Yes in the currency of Japan, not China, and no they aren't the same country.
-Karlemgne From North America also
contact marta stewart then maybe she will make a "save the china man" fund for them because they get no love from me. So quit whining tree hugger about me picking on a person or persons exploiting the CCP ELUA.
I am not a "tree hugger." See, people from China are what we call people, not trees. But I guess I get the sentiment... someone expresses concern for those less well of than themselves, and they become "tree huggers."
Again, way to make Americans look bad. We all appreciate it, let me tell you.
As to Martha Stewart, she's a rich capitalist from the United States. I dare say she doesn't give a **** about the "china man (sic)."
As for "exploiting the EULA." Have you actually read the EULA on any MMO? I bet you, you haven't, not one, for a single game... including this one. So something tells me that the only reason you "know" that isk farmers "violate the EULA" is because someone told you so.
News flash, Gordo, take a look at the EULA. I bet you violate it more than once a day.
-Karlemgne
When does being poor give the right to break rules?
NewsFlashNot all farmer-sellers are poor people from China. Many are lazy Americans/Europeans/Others on welfare, or a similar system that promotes laziness. While most of us work, these scum are playing games and collecting handouts!
Cite your sources, friend. I want you to point out the data that led you to believe that, "many," isk farmers are "lazy Americans/Europeans/Others on welfare."
That's right, you can't. You've just completely made that up in your head. And say what you want about isk farmers, but these guys do most likely work hard. Have you ever worked in the video game industry? I spent the last 3 years of my life doing so, friend, and I can tell you that making a game is very tough, and requires 70 hour weeks for months on end. We at least in "western" countries get paid well to do it.
Farming isk in an MMO requires people do repeatative tasks staring at a computer for up to 12 hours a day. Its not likely easy work, nor is it likely done by the "lazy."
So, one American to another, take your sub-par American high school inculcation elsewhere. Your suposition about who does what, where, and about the arangement of global capital and politics in general will get you nowhere with me.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.14 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Areaulius
Originally by: PCaBoo Sorry, I found that quite amusing.
I'm willing to bet you fall into the lazy American demographic.
If you mean a lazy American who thinks programs like welfare and foreign aid encourage bad behavior (like laziness), and said programs need to be eliminated, then you are correct
Oh, Jesus. The world is friggen' doomed, my friend. I think you should just hang out at a public assitance office for a week, and be in charge of telling every poor, starving, and homless person exactly how you feel.
And lets hope that capitalism never has another crisis like in 1930's where you end up with no job, or not living off of mom and dad.
-Karl
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.14 03:59:00 -
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Well if the rough estamate of 4 dollars feeds a family how much is internet, computer to run eve and general power. I wonder if that the money is not well spent.... now if he can affort internet, and a computer to do eve then he can ( or she ) can get up and go get a legit job and a haircut Thus would stop scum from ruining the game.
Do not forget they also can be scamming in real life off people in eve or many other games I am sure a handful do this.
Get a haircut and geeeeet a real job
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.14 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: Karlemgne on 14/06/2007 04:22:52
Originally by: SantaKlauz Well if the rough estamate of 4 dollars feeds a family how much is internet, computer to run eve and general power. I wonder if that the money is not well spent.... now if he can affort internet, and a computer to do eve then he can ( or she ) can get up and go get a legit job and a haircut Thus would stop scum from ruining the game.
Do not forget they also can be scamming in real life off people in eve or many other games I am sure a handful do this.
Get a haircut and geeeeet a real job
First of all, genius, don't assume that the costs of things like "internet" are the same in every part of the world. Second of all, these guys are working IN A SHOP, you know, like an office or factory. Someone else (as is almost always the case with capitalism) owns the computers, the desks, the lights, the "internet." Its like any other job you might get, with coworkers, lunch breaks (maybe,) and schedules.
What, did you think it was really some single guy farming isk on his parents lap-top?
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.14 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: RaithSphere the idea of China People doing this is from the idea of Chinese Gold Farmers
You are right, not all isk farmers are from china.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.14 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne Wow, congrats on conning someone out of their job. Good for you!
Yea, way to stop macros from ruining the game and inflating isk prices everywhere.
Originally by: Karlemgne
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy.
What?? I'm an American and this makes no sense.
Congrats SantaKlauz Be sure to update us on the macro pwnage
-Methem An American
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.14 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Methem
Originally by: Karlemgne Wow, congrats on conning someone out of their job. Good for you!
Yea, way to stop macros from ruining the game and inflating isk prices everywhere.
Originally by: Karlemgne
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy.
What?? I'm an American and this makes no sense.
Congrats SantaKlauz Be sure to update us on the macro pwnage
-Methem An American
The richest nation in the world and we can't seem to manage to educate our youth. It really is sad.
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Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.14 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Methem on 14/06/2007 07:12:08
Originally by: PCaBoo
Originally by: Methem
Originally by: Karlemgne Wow, congrats on conning someone out of their job. Good for you!
Yea, way to stop macros from ruining the game and inflating isk prices everywhere.
Originally by: Karlemgne
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy.
What?? I'm an American and this makes no sense.
Congrats SantaKlauz Be sure to update us on the macro pwnage
-Methem An American
The richest nation in the world and we can't seem to manage to educate our youth. It really is sad.
Whatever Im not on here to post walls of spam. The point is Macroing is bad for the game and youre the dumb one if you think there is an upside to letting them do it. Also killing macroers dosent = bad PR for America.. so whats your point?
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Armadala
Gallente Irata III Trek Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.14 07:58:00 -
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liberals i swear
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Gaia Thorn
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.06.14 09:47:00 -
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Karlemgne I just have to ask is the air thin were you live or are you reffering to yourself when saying great way of making americans look dumb ?
So you think it's ok for *whatever country* isk farmer/macroers to do what they are doing since they "work" in a shop. Thats like saying hey it's ok that the colombian cocain cutters are just doing a job, i mean since they are in a "shop" under lights or works spaces ?
What they are doing is performing a illegal act breaking A rule that is stated in the game by the game designers. They are litteraly hurting CCP since the farming reduces the experience for the "real" players in the game.
It's not fun to be fresh of the pod plant and want to shoot your first roid just to find out a group of *insert country here* farmers/macroers just passed through cleaning out the entire belt(s).
Im sorry but they have it coming just like the rest of the criminals. He knows what he is doing is illegal and he is willing to risk it, then he should be willing to take the punishment for it aswell.
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.14 21:43:00 -
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Today I logged in to find a hoarder, 2x bestowers and a mammoth on scans I knew where they were already.....moving the can farm i been thinning out one by one. something in these cans is very interesting for them to want out. so i get on the arazu pilots i had logged in system and the dictor and proceed to the spot JOY cans unanchoring and being scooped up *bubbles* all haulers are put down like old dogs now....crap need a hauler myself, log in other alt in a blocade runner and rush it to the spot (10 jumps) i find in 3 cans all salvage material (hehe nice) ah more of them start to login *ponders a trick* i move the dictor toward their pos planet 100km off the cans to prevent them from stopping me scooping it is very effective. a frig trys to come to reanchor but is stuck 100km and got pew pew'ed by the dictor. All in all i recovered 7 of 12 cans they were attempting to take 3 full of salvage, 2 of smartbombs 1 of t1 named gunnery/mods and 1 of GET THIS DARK BLOOD LOOT =lmfao 2900m3 of dark blood loot and some other fillers to make the can 3100m3 roughly.
TY farmer SCUM
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whispous
Gallente Corpus PCG The State
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li Let's face it - if we could get paid enough to live at our current standard of living just by playing Eve, we would.
I bet it's boring to farm over and over though. -----
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.14 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne Defending farmers? In a round about way I suppose. In reality, I'm just trying to make people actually think about others, you know, the ones behind the characters in game.
I dont care about those behind the chars. They are violating the EULA and ruining the game. Thats enough.
Originally by: Karlemgne As for you quoting the EULA at me, I never once claimed that isk farming, or rather is SELLING, wasn't a violation. What I was doing is pointing out that people cite the EULA, normally without ever having read it. You probably haven't read it either. You just found the part the suites you.
Assumptions. IŠve read it, I read it everytime I install a software. About posting the EULA for you, yes, I searched for that part so you get the point of ISK farmer/miner hunts and threads like this.
Originally by: Karlemgne Also, I think the whole issue is rather humerous, as 85% of people who play MMOs regularly violate the EULA that they've never read, but these same people are always the first to scream up and down about banning someone they don't like for "violating the EULA."
I didnt violate the EULA cuz I have no intention to get my account banned. If you have proof for this farfetched assumption, speak up.
Personally I dont care where ISK farmers come from. Unfortunately we all know where the majority comes from. But that will never stop me from interrupting their operations. What next coming from you? Calling us racists cuz we kill asians that we identify as ISK farmers? I hope not.
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Ayalen
Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.15 04:18:00 -
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Yay someone doing a thing to help cure this game If you ever need a hand over there i can help you out, contact me ingame if you are intersted.
Everytime they macro, they kill a kitten
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Nines Tslaruk
Minmatar North Face Force Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.15 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Nines Tslaruk on 15/06/2007 04:54:46
Originally by: Karlemgne And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy.
Those who would form their opinions of a country's citizens from its participants in an online game are too stupid to matter in society. Down with macros. ------------------- NFF Recruitment
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Jebe Noyon
LDK Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2007.06.15 05:33:00 -
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Karl > Santa
I liked that part about tree hugger the best. If a dude finished college and knows how to discuss things inna mature way he's suddnely called tree hugger and other things.
BTW why do you think these so called farmerboys are from China? I hear China people have their own EVE server where they play just like we play here (not 100% sure tho). Second in what way the ISK sellers spoil the game for everyone, cuz for me they don't spoil a game at all or am I a tree hugger as well so I can't be considered a normal bloke? If they come to the area you just pop em which is usaully easy. The fact that guys are selling ISK to someone is not paintfull to me at all tbfh and how can possibly it be paintfull to you? Because they are doing mechanical things 12h a day and don't play for fun? Maby yer super altruisic and all and you get really dissapointed with inequality in the world - why can you play for fun and they don't, aye?
BTW some of the Santa posts are slightly offensive in my opinion.
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Dionisius
Gallente Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.15 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
Personally I dont care where ISK farmers come from. Unfortunately we all know where the majority comes from. But that will never stop me from interrupting their operations. What next coming from you? Calling us racists cuz we kill asians that we identify as ISK farmers? I hope not.
Actually Karlemgne is a bit right, and some of the replys found in this hole thread make the people that wrote them appear silly.
CCP has the right to prohibit ISK selling for real money, this is a game with the porpuse of enjoyment not work and especially work in the conditions most of these people are subject to.
Now i could go and assume that most of them are chinese but that would be incorrect and like the other guy said, assumption is the mother of all f**k ups.
They can be your regular joe in the US,EU,Asia,Africa, etc and so on.
And to the "bright" person that spoke of social wellfare or whatever you meant, that is a comodity that the so called "developed" countries have and even in those countries a large slice of the population does not have access to it, social wellfare has no place in what Karl meant and that kind of answer is the way to dodge the issue.
As for racism, its a form of it, dismissing all isk farmers as being persons from this or that country just because you farted and the smell went into east direction doesn't mean its china's fault.
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What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Dionisius
Gallente Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.15 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nines Tslaruk Edited by: Nines Tslaruk on 15/06/2007 04:54:46
Originally by: Karlemgne And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy.
Those who would form their opinions of a country's citizens from its participants in an online game are too stupid to matter in society. Down with macros.
While the "smart" ones build the lovely image of your country today. _______________________
What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Belhorn Battlebeard
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.15 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01 I dont care about race, but its just a simple fact that the majority of farmers are from asia with glibberish names in NPC corps that only destroy the game that we try to enjoy.
I think CCP are doing a good enough job of that themselves with their "excellent customer service". To the OP - so you have a PERSONAL grudge against these people? Because if you don't, then it just makes you a "goody two-shoes" who appears to have nothing better to do that grass people up because YOU disagree. Can you not see that you just look like some wannabe detective who thinks he's cool by advertising the fact that he's a snitch? Good luck ever getting trusted by anyone again, ROFL! _____________
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Belhorn Battlebeard
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.15 09:32:00 -
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Oh, and post with your main! _____________
You like Girl Scout Cookies? C'mere, c'mere, you wanna cookie? HERE'S A COOKIE !!!1!1! |
Zafriel
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: SantaKlauz Well if the rough estamate of 4 dollars feeds a family how much is internet, computer to run eve and general power. I wonder if that the money is not well spent.... now if he can affort internet, and a computer to do eve then he can ( or she ) can get up and go get a legit job and a haircut Thus would stop scum from ruining the game.
Do not forget they also can be scamming in real life off people in eve or many other games I am sure a handful do this.
Get a haircut and geeeeet a real job
Thats where your wrong, with respect to Chinese farmers; not many own their computers, most work in huge sweat shops for 12 hour shifts in return for a few dollars. When I was last in Foshan I saw one huge warehouse with over 1000 people in the one space playing mmorpgs, it was disgusting, it was dirty, extremely warm and stank....tbh it nearly made me vommit.
For someone who seems to despise chinese isk farmers you do know very little about them, Im pretty sure the vast majority of those isk farmers would like to have a haircut and live to the standards of the western countries.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:44:00 -
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So when someone is doing something violating the EULA and detrimental to the game overall, we are supposed to be lenient as there is a real person behind the computer, yet when people that hurt noone get ganked in highsec and lose all their assets in one fell swoop we are supposed to laugh at them despite there being a real person behind the computer?
Yeah, sure. Sorry, but this macro-defender doesn't have all cookies on the same platter...
Thank you SkyFlyer!
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