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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.12 22:41:00 -
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I was wandering around killing isk farmers in 0.0 as usual when I came across one named "pure beautiful" of the corp "FCOP" after terrorizing them for several days in locla he (in his broken english translator wording) Buy I S K??? I thought to myself...what the hell i will see if he incriminates himself so i can petition it for a isk seller. It begins the bad english Now.....this could be interesting I say to myself lets see if i can get this concrete proof so CCP finally can catch them. Looking into the alts flooding in while i have 2x drake, 1x armageddon tackled with my 2 chars in system in comes 2 more isk farmer fitted ravens ( hah stupid cloak and wcs limit range boys so 1 damp their out of the fight) I continue to make notes take out 1 raven when i get a personal chat invite from pure beautiful the "leader of the network of farmers. Now the conversation gets a bit more deeper, I am determined to have solid proof for CCP well within limits ( a isk transfer here would look bad) SO I try to get contact information and a "price" and if i am so lucky who will be sending me the isk if I was a legit buyer. convo 1 wow contact info from him DOH his english is killing me whats this offering bank info (edited for security) damn DT coming must hurry to get more info to bust him Click file, and tipical ok ty close
now I semi edited them screen shots so i am not spammed etc by the asian noobs who can read english etc. but I do belive I gathered enough evidence for CCP to look into these guys and deep like debbie does dallas. Now don't ask me why they decided to offer to sell me isk in local or hint then convo me perhaps it was the super sekret code word Vog told me the "888888888" that they use to use to launder on the old escrow system (TY for tip there m8) and he told his life to me. but anyways you will see Pure beautiful is still in eve, and his corp active of farmers = gey TY
Final note, I belive this is enough proof for anyone to decide if he is a seller or not, look at corp history etc. Thus I am asking all able people to war dec them where ever they run off too make their life hell. also to CCP whats the deal? not a big enough fish for you to fry? corps I have found working with them thus far GL and tell me what ya thing people did santa bust them?
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.12 22:49:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 12/06/2007 22:49:01 Watch out, theres no turning back now.
The farmer apologists are on their way!
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Vana Gank
Gallente Nosferatu Security Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.12 23:02:00 -
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Well done sir! You've earned yourself a free hour in my loveboat! And if we see Karl nearby well send the thugs at him.
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.12 23:04:00 -
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petitions in, and FYI these corps work around the AGIL area and into FIX space ;)
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Arvald
Caldari Brotherhood Of Metal
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Posted - 2007.06.12 23:16:00 -
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Originally by: SantaKlauz petitions in, and FYI these corps work around the AGIL area and into FIX space ;)
shhh ya hear that.....thats the sound of brotherhood of metal poping a bunch of isk sellers ===============================================
Originally by: ceveres it's so bad a.ss it generates recoil when not even being fired... |
SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.12 23:21:00 -
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POTATO MIN, Pure Beautiful, Ices Princess, Th'0rn, FBI, Joe Knight, YINRUP, KENGAN
so far there is some of the names i found more to come so i will edit this as needed to help all find their members Offices of the corps are hidden only show agil so i am not sure currently where the offices are located but they use the agil to a2- pipe to get to their farm and a small POS in fix space with 4 small, 1 medium beam 1 sensor damp 1 warp scram and about 17/50 of their can farm left :) their running low on haulers and ravens tho bah haha
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Mylinka
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Posted - 2007.06.13 00:10:00 -
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Originally by: SantaKlauz
It begins the bad english
And ends with a bad coverjob trying to hide MrMajics name!
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MrMajIc
VentureCorp Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.06.13 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Mylinka
Originally by: SantaKlauz
It begins the bad english
And ends with a bad coverjob trying to hide MrMajics name!
no mrmajic here :)
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CogInTheWheel
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Posted - 2007.06.13 00:41:00 -
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haha funny screenies ..
these seem to be disorganized farmers .. the ones in Lin2 had some of the best pvpers in game as enforcers.
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.13 00:45:00 -
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Most of the 0.0 groups you can trace to corps, or history in the contract system if you find enough of them to put 2+2 together but this group is a sure fire isk seller group as over 18 ravens spotted in FIX space alone, not to mention the 5-10 i seen so far in the CJF- area of stain through period basis to *****nois. But a war dec or 2 from capable alt corps or small corps can do justice if CCP will not after all who don't want free loot all ya gotta do is fit + 3 scram str. and pop a hauler full of loot in empire pipe to their sale spot.
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oolk
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Posted - 2007.06.13 01:13:00 -
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i`d like a free pass to that spot please :)
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.13 01:18:00 -
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you want in corp to kill em in war tomorrow? apply in agil
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Callthetruth
Caldari Logical Logtistics
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Posted - 2007.06.13 02:26:00 -
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good luck
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MrTripps
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.13 05:30:00 -
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I was gonna play devils advocate i.e entrapment, but look at the way they spell I S K and S E L L. That is a red flag for attempts at hiding from text searches in logs and an indication of intent. Buh bye.
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.13 07:53:00 -
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sadly their still active haulers are taking a beating trying to rush stuff to empire before the war tho. Is cute.
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Ione Hunt
Imperial Shipment
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Posted - 2007.06.13 09:56:00 -
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There's normally quite a few of those ISK farmers/sellers around G3 in Querious, they've been there for months _______________
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Sean Dillon
Caldari Naughty 40
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Posted - 2007.06.13 10:18:00 -
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I always knew FIX where farmers. I bey dark shikari is one too of them. Prolly their boos that knows a lill more english. Hence how he gets so many isk.
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tiller
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.13 10:31:00 -
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Edited by: tiller on 13/06/2007 10:30:37
You better hope they don't call in the macro navy..
We had two ravens from there security forces turn up to 'macro defend' their haulers.. they sat them both at planet. Needless to say they died as well lmfao
Kleptomaniacs are recruiting evildoers. Join channel KLEPTO for info.
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:20:00 -
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Just to see if their was more like these farmers I convo'ed one that spoke decent english and showed a will to live..that being said I opened comms to this farmer slave And began to speak to him I could tell he is using a translator but still it was effective enough to get his point. About halfway through i broke the question to him what he does for work, THE FARMER began to speak of how poverished china is etc etc. and that he sells isk to feed his soon to be family. I asked him what a days work in eve net profit was, it came to 40 china credits ( the name is wack rumulis or some crap) Then i asked in dollars what that was close to and it came to roughly 4 dollars.....(wow not alot there) but looking at it from the game perspective still WRONG. Even tho this FARMER has helped me locate other hostile slavers, I still must turn him in for farming and selling isk.......but what to do He admits to selling, and tells me how they do it and all (yeah really) Imaging 1000 farmers all making 4 dollars a day.....still alot and still corrupts the game.
MY question is what is being done to show these farmers punishment!
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:32:00 -
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Wow, congrats on conning someone out of their job. Good for you!
I hope their kids go hungry and stuff.
-Karl
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:36:00 -
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eve is a game to play, not work. Cannot be both for players. (hides from dev comments)
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:41:00 -
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Originally by: SantaKlauz MY question is what is being done to show these farmers punishment!
Nothing.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: SantaKlauz eve is a game to play, not work. Cannot be both for players. (hides from dev comments)
It is work to that poor shmuck you are petitioning who probably makes a dollar for every 12 hour day of currency farming.
And by-the-by way to make all Americans look bad, buddy. The Yes in the currency of Japan, not China, and no they aren't the same country.
-Karlemgne From North America also
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Areaulius
Caldari Mad Mercs
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:46:00 -
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Good Job! These online farmers-sellers are scum, no matter where they are from.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Sean Dillon I always knew FIX where farmers. I bey dark shikari is one too of them. Prolly their boos that knows a lill more english. Hence how he gets so many isk.
Actually we try to kill them but they just log or cloak when we enter the system
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:46:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 13/06/2007 16:42:20
Originally by: SantaKlauz eve is a game to play, not work. Cannot be both for players. (hides from dev comments)
It is work to that poor shmuck you are petitioning who probably makes a dollar for every 12 hour day of currency farming.
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy. The Yes in the currency of Japan, not China, and no they aren't the same country.
-Karlemgne From North America also
contact marta stewart then maybe she will make a "save the china man" fund for them because they get no love from me. So quit whining tree hugger about me picking on a person or persons exploiting the CCP ELUA.
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:47:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Sean Dillon I always knew FIX where farmers. I bey dark shikari is one too of them. Prolly their boos that knows a lill more english. Hence how he gets so many isk.
Actually we try to kill them but they just log or cloak when we enter the system
sorry my fix friend, but they have small pos's all over your space......try popping them
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.13 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: SantaKlauz
Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 13/06/2007 16:42:20
Originally by: SantaKlauz eve is a game to play, not work. Cannot be both for players. (hides from dev comments)
It is work to that poor shmuck you are petitioning who probably makes a dollar for every 12 hour day of currency farming.
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy. The Yes in the currency of Japan, not China, and no they aren't the same country.
-Karlemgne From North America also
contact marta stewart then maybe she will make a "save the china man" fund for them because they get no love from me. So quit whining tree hugger about me picking on a person or persons exploiting the CCP ELUA.
I am not a "tree hugger." See, people from China are what we call people, not trees. But I guess I get the sentiment... someone expresses concern for those less well of than themselves, and they become "tree huggers."
Again, way to make Americans look bad. We all appreciate it, let me tell you.
As to Martha Stewart, she's a rich capitalist from the United States. I dare say she doesn't give a **** about the "china man (sic)."
As for "exploiting the EULA." Have you actually read the EULA on any MMO? I bet you, you haven't, not one, for a single game... including this one. So something tells me that the only reason you "know" that isk farmers "violate the EULA" is because someone told you so.
News flash, Gordo, take a look at the EULA. I bet you violate it more than once a day.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:25:00 -
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Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 13/06/2007 17:32:30
Originally by: Karlemgne .....
Still defending farmers, are you?
EDIT: As for the EULA and ISK farmers/sellers...
Quote: B. Selling Items and Objects You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above.
Want more?
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Areaulius
Caldari Mad Mercs
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:41:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: SantaKlauz
Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 13/06/2007 16:42:20
Originally by: SantaKlauz eve is a game to play, not work. Cannot be both for players. (hides from dev comments)
It is work to that poor shmuck you are petitioning who probably makes a dollar for every 12 hour day of currency farming.
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy. The Yes in the currency of Japan, not China, and no they aren't the same country.
-Karlemgne From North America also
contact marta stewart then maybe she will make a "save the china man" fund for them because they get no love from me. So quit whining tree hugger about me picking on a person or persons exploiting the CCP ELUA.
I am not a "tree hugger." See, people from China are what we call people, not trees. But I guess I get the sentiment... someone expresses concern for those less well of than themselves, and they become "tree huggers."
Again, way to make Americans look bad. We all appreciate it, let me tell you.
As to Martha Stewart, she's a rich capitalist from the United States. I dare say she doesn't give a **** about the "china man (sic)."
As for "exploiting the EULA." Have you actually read the EULA on any MMO? I bet you, you haven't, not one, for a single game... including this one. So something tells me that the only reason you "know" that isk farmers "violate the EULA" is because someone told you so.
News flash, Gordo, take a look at the EULA. I bet you violate it more than once a day.
-Karlemgne
When does being poor give the right to break rules?
NewsFlashNot all farmer-sellers are poor people from China. Many are lazy Americans/Europeans/Others on welfare, or a similar system that promotes laziness. While most of us work, these scum are playing games and collecting handouts!
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RaithSphere
Minmatar Forsaken to the Core
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:05:00 -
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the idea of China People doing this is from the idea of Chinese Gold Farmers
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:10:00 -
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Originally by: Areaulius
NewsFlashNot all farmer-sellers are poor people from China. Many are lazy Americans/Europeans/Others on welfare, or a similar system that promotes laziness. While most of us work, these scum are playing games and collecting handouts!
Sorry, I found that quite amusing.
I'm willing to bet you fall into the lazy American demographic.
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DarkElf
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo
Originally by: Areaulius
NewsFlashNot all farmer-sellers are poor people from China. Many are lazy Americans/Europeans/Others on welfare, or a similar system that promotes laziness. While most of us work, these scum are playing games and collecting handouts!
Sorry, I found that quite amusing.
I'm willing to bet you fall into the lazy American demographic.
lol agreed. it did make me chuckle but he's absolutely spot on. the whole race thing being brought into it is annoying and compeltely irrelevent.
DE
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Agent Li
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:17:00 -
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Let's face it - if we could get paid enough to live at our current standard of living just by playing Eve, we would. ------------------
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:20:00 -
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I dont care about race, but its just a simple fact that the majority of farmers are from asia with glibberish names in NPC corps that only destroy the game that we try to enjoy.
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Areaulius
Caldari Mad Mercs
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Posted - 2007.06.13 19:53:00 -
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Originally by: PCaBoo Sorry, I found that quite amusing.
I'm willing to bet you fall into the lazy American demographic.
If you mean a lazy American who thinks programs like welfare and foreign aid encourage bad behavior (like laziness), and said programs need to be eliminated, then you are correct
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Dr Paithos
Minmatar Republic Deep Space Institute
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Posted - 2007.06.13 20:05:00 -
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Originally by: Areaulius If you mean a lazy American who thinks programs like welfare and foreign aid encourage bad behavior (like laziness), and said programs need to be eliminated, then you are correct
O...k, so why do the countries with Welfare programs have high standards of living, GDPs and productivities?
There was no welfare during the Great Depression. The Great Depression was not a time of great social happiness, mass employment and productive work, was it?
Afterwards, welfare, and no Great Depressions since.
Originally by: RedFall How dare you try to argue my point with your so called "evidence". I don't need any, I have truthiness on my side.
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.14 02:51:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01 Edited by: Hellspawn01 on 13/06/2007 17:32:30
Originally by: Karlemgne .....
Still defending farmers, are you?
EDIT: As for the EULA and ISK farmers/sellers...
Quote: B. Selling Items and Objects You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above.
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Defending farmers? In a round about way I suppose. In reality, I'm just trying to make people actually think about others, you know, the ones behind the characters in game.
CCP is well within their rights to keep people from selling their virtual property for real life currency. I am also well within my rights to call some ignorant, hollier than thou, EULA warrior out on some issues.
First and foremost being that the Yen is not the currency of China, which is where he clearly thought these people were from.
As for you quoting the EULA at me, I never once claimed that isk farming, or rather is SELLING, wasn't a violation. What I was doing is pointing out that people cite the EULA, normally without ever having read it. You probably haven't read it either. You just found the part the suites you.
Also, I think the whole issue is rather humerous, as 85% of people who play MMOs regularly violate the EULA that they've never read, but these same people are always the first to scream up and down about banning someone they don't like for "violating the EULA."
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.14 02:59:00 -
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Originally by: Areaulius
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: SantaKlauz
Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 13/06/2007 16:42:20
Originally by: SantaKlauz eve is a game to play, not work. Cannot be both for players. (hides from dev comments)
It is work to that poor shmuck you are petitioning who probably makes a dollar for every 12 hour day of currency farming.
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy. The Yes in the currency of Japan, not China, and no they aren't the same country.
-Karlemgne From North America also
contact marta stewart then maybe she will make a "save the china man" fund for them because they get no love from me. So quit whining tree hugger about me picking on a person or persons exploiting the CCP ELUA.
I am not a "tree hugger." See, people from China are what we call people, not trees. But I guess I get the sentiment... someone expresses concern for those less well of than themselves, and they become "tree huggers."
Again, way to make Americans look bad. We all appreciate it, let me tell you.
As to Martha Stewart, she's a rich capitalist from the United States. I dare say she doesn't give a **** about the "china man (sic)."
As for "exploiting the EULA." Have you actually read the EULA on any MMO? I bet you, you haven't, not one, for a single game... including this one. So something tells me that the only reason you "know" that isk farmers "violate the EULA" is because someone told you so.
News flash, Gordo, take a look at the EULA. I bet you violate it more than once a day.
-Karlemgne
When does being poor give the right to break rules?
NewsFlashNot all farmer-sellers are poor people from China. Many are lazy Americans/Europeans/Others on welfare, or a similar system that promotes laziness. While most of us work, these scum are playing games and collecting handouts!
Cite your sources, friend. I want you to point out the data that led you to believe that, "many," isk farmers are "lazy Americans/Europeans/Others on welfare."
That's right, you can't. You've just completely made that up in your head. And say what you want about isk farmers, but these guys do most likely work hard. Have you ever worked in the video game industry? I spent the last 3 years of my life doing so, friend, and I can tell you that making a game is very tough, and requires 70 hour weeks for months on end. We at least in "western" countries get paid well to do it.
Farming isk in an MMO requires people do repeatative tasks staring at a computer for up to 12 hours a day. Its not likely easy work, nor is it likely done by the "lazy."
So, one American to another, take your sub-par American high school inculcation elsewhere. Your suposition about who does what, where, and about the arangement of global capital and politics in general will get you nowhere with me.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.14 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Areaulius
Originally by: PCaBoo Sorry, I found that quite amusing.
I'm willing to bet you fall into the lazy American demographic.
If you mean a lazy American who thinks programs like welfare and foreign aid encourage bad behavior (like laziness), and said programs need to be eliminated, then you are correct
Oh, Jesus. The world is friggen' doomed, my friend. I think you should just hang out at a public assitance office for a week, and be in charge of telling every poor, starving, and homless person exactly how you feel.
And lets hope that capitalism never has another crisis like in 1930's where you end up with no job, or not living off of mom and dad.
-Karl
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.14 03:59:00 -
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Well if the rough estamate of 4 dollars feeds a family how much is internet, computer to run eve and general power. I wonder if that the money is not well spent.... now if he can affort internet, and a computer to do eve then he can ( or she ) can get up and go get a legit job and a haircut Thus would stop scum from ruining the game.
Do not forget they also can be scamming in real life off people in eve or many other games I am sure a handful do this.
Get a haircut and geeeeet a real job
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.14 04:23:00 -
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Edited by: Karlemgne on 14/06/2007 04:22:52
Originally by: SantaKlauz Well if the rough estamate of 4 dollars feeds a family how much is internet, computer to run eve and general power. I wonder if that the money is not well spent.... now if he can affort internet, and a computer to do eve then he can ( or she ) can get up and go get a legit job and a haircut Thus would stop scum from ruining the game.
Do not forget they also can be scamming in real life off people in eve or many other games I am sure a handful do this.
Get a haircut and geeeeet a real job
First of all, genius, don't assume that the costs of things like "internet" are the same in every part of the world. Second of all, these guys are working IN A SHOP, you know, like an office or factory. Someone else (as is almost always the case with capitalism) owns the computers, the desks, the lights, the "internet." Its like any other job you might get, with coworkers, lunch breaks (maybe,) and schedules.
What, did you think it was really some single guy farming isk on his parents lap-top?
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.14 04:27:00 -
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Originally by: RaithSphere the idea of China People doing this is from the idea of Chinese Gold Farmers
You are right, not all isk farmers are from china.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.14 05:08:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne Wow, congrats on conning someone out of their job. Good for you!
Yea, way to stop macros from ruining the game and inflating isk prices everywhere.
Originally by: Karlemgne
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy.
What?? I'm an American and this makes no sense.
Congrats SantaKlauz Be sure to update us on the macro pwnage
-Methem An American
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PCaBoo
Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.14 07:00:00 -
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Originally by: Methem
Originally by: Karlemgne Wow, congrats on conning someone out of their job. Good for you!
Yea, way to stop macros from ruining the game and inflating isk prices everywhere.
Originally by: Karlemgne
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy.
What?? I'm an American and this makes no sense.
Congrats SantaKlauz Be sure to update us on the macro pwnage
-Methem An American
The richest nation in the world and we can't seem to manage to educate our youth. It really is sad.
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Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.14 07:11:00 -
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Edited by: Methem on 14/06/2007 07:12:08
Originally by: PCaBoo
Originally by: Methem
Originally by: Karlemgne Wow, congrats on conning someone out of their job. Good for you!
Yea, way to stop macros from ruining the game and inflating isk prices everywhere.
Originally by: Karlemgne
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy.
What?? I'm an American and this makes no sense.
Congrats SantaKlauz Be sure to update us on the macro pwnage
-Methem An American
The richest nation in the world and we can't seem to manage to educate our youth. It really is sad.
Whatever Im not on here to post walls of spam. The point is Macroing is bad for the game and youre the dumb one if you think there is an upside to letting them do it. Also killing macroers dosent = bad PR for America.. so whats your point?
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Armadala
Gallente Irata III Trek Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.14 07:58:00 -
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liberals i swear
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Gaia Thorn
Infestation.
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Posted - 2007.06.14 09:47:00 -
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Karlemgne I just have to ask is the air thin were you live or are you reffering to yourself when saying great way of making americans look dumb ?
So you think it's ok for *whatever country* isk farmer/macroers to do what they are doing since they "work" in a shop. Thats like saying hey it's ok that the colombian cocain cutters are just doing a job, i mean since they are in a "shop" under lights or works spaces ?
What they are doing is performing a illegal act breaking A rule that is stated in the game by the game designers. They are litteraly hurting CCP since the farming reduces the experience for the "real" players in the game.
It's not fun to be fresh of the pod plant and want to shoot your first roid just to find out a group of *insert country here* farmers/macroers just passed through cleaning out the entire belt(s).
Im sorry but they have it coming just like the rest of the criminals. He knows what he is doing is illegal and he is willing to risk it, then he should be willing to take the punishment for it aswell.
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.14 21:43:00 -
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Today I logged in to find a hoarder, 2x bestowers and a mammoth on scans I knew where they were already.....moving the can farm i been thinning out one by one. something in these cans is very interesting for them to want out. so i get on the arazu pilots i had logged in system and the dictor and proceed to the spot JOY cans unanchoring and being scooped up *bubbles* all haulers are put down like old dogs now....crap need a hauler myself, log in other alt in a blocade runner and rush it to the spot (10 jumps) i find in 3 cans all salvage material (hehe nice) ah more of them start to login *ponders a trick* i move the dictor toward their pos planet 100km off the cans to prevent them from stopping me scooping it is very effective. a frig trys to come to reanchor but is stuck 100km and got pew pew'ed by the dictor. All in all i recovered 7 of 12 cans they were attempting to take 3 full of salvage, 2 of smartbombs 1 of t1 named gunnery/mods and 1 of GET THIS DARK BLOOD LOOT =lmfao 2900m3 of dark blood loot and some other fillers to make the can 3100m3 roughly.
TY farmer SCUM
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whispous
Gallente Corpus PCG The State
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Posted - 2007.06.14 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li Let's face it - if we could get paid enough to live at our current standard of living just by playing Eve, we would.
I bet it's boring to farm over and over though. -----
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.14 23:23:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne Defending farmers? In a round about way I suppose. In reality, I'm just trying to make people actually think about others, you know, the ones behind the characters in game.
I dont care about those behind the chars. They are violating the EULA and ruining the game. Thats enough.
Originally by: Karlemgne As for you quoting the EULA at me, I never once claimed that isk farming, or rather is SELLING, wasn't a violation. What I was doing is pointing out that people cite the EULA, normally without ever having read it. You probably haven't read it either. You just found the part the suites you.
Assumptions. I¦ve read it, I read it everytime I install a software. About posting the EULA for you, yes, I searched for that part so you get the point of ISK farmer/miner hunts and threads like this.
Originally by: Karlemgne Also, I think the whole issue is rather humerous, as 85% of people who play MMOs regularly violate the EULA that they've never read, but these same people are always the first to scream up and down about banning someone they don't like for "violating the EULA."
I didnt violate the EULA cuz I have no intention to get my account banned. If you have proof for this farfetched assumption, speak up.
Personally I dont care where ISK farmers come from. Unfortunately we all know where the majority comes from. But that will never stop me from interrupting their operations. What next coming from you? Calling us racists cuz we kill asians that we identify as ISK farmers? I hope not.
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Ayalen
Minmatar Black Serpent Technologies
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Posted - 2007.06.15 04:18:00 -
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Yay someone doing a thing to help cure this game If you ever need a hand over there i can help you out, contact me ingame if you are intersted.
Everytime they macro, they kill a kitten
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Nines Tslaruk
Minmatar North Face Force Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.15 04:55:00 -
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Edited by: Nines Tslaruk on 15/06/2007 04:54:46
Originally by: Karlemgne And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy.
Those who would form their opinions of a country's citizens from its participants in an online game are too stupid to matter in society. Down with macros. ------------------- NFF Recruitment
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Jebe Noyon
LDK Ultima Rati0
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Posted - 2007.06.15 05:33:00 -
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Karl > Santa
I liked that part about tree hugger the best. If a dude finished college and knows how to discuss things inna mature way he's suddnely called tree hugger and other things.
BTW why do you think these so called farmerboys are from China? I hear China people have their own EVE server where they play just like we play here (not 100% sure tho). Second in what way the ISK sellers spoil the game for everyone, cuz for me they don't spoil a game at all or am I a tree hugger as well so I can't be considered a normal bloke? If they come to the area you just pop em which is usaully easy. The fact that guys are selling ISK to someone is not paintfull to me at all tbfh and how can possibly it be paintfull to you? Because they are doing mechanical things 12h a day and don't play for fun? Maby yer super altruisic and all and you get really dissapointed with inequality in the world - why can you play for fun and they don't, aye?
BTW some of the Santa posts are slightly offensive in my opinion.
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Dionisius
Gallente Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.15 08:42:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
Personally I dont care where ISK farmers come from. Unfortunately we all know where the majority comes from. But that will never stop me from interrupting their operations. What next coming from you? Calling us racists cuz we kill asians that we identify as ISK farmers? I hope not.
Actually Karlemgne is a bit right, and some of the replys found in this hole thread make the people that wrote them appear silly.
CCP has the right to prohibit ISK selling for real money, this is a game with the porpuse of enjoyment not work and especially work in the conditions most of these people are subject to.
Now i could go and assume that most of them are chinese but that would be incorrect and like the other guy said, assumption is the mother of all f**k ups.
They can be your regular joe in the US,EU,Asia,Africa, etc and so on.
And to the "bright" person that spoke of social wellfare or whatever you meant, that is a comodity that the so called "developed" countries have and even in those countries a large slice of the population does not have access to it, social wellfare has no place in what Karl meant and that kind of answer is the way to dodge the issue.
As for racism, its a form of it, dismissing all isk farmers as being persons from this or that country just because you farted and the smell went into east direction doesn't mean its china's fault.
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What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Dionisius
Gallente Fallen Lords
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Posted - 2007.06.15 08:44:00 -
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Originally by: Nines Tslaruk Edited by: Nines Tslaruk on 15/06/2007 04:54:46
Originally by: Karlemgne And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy.
Those who would form their opinions of a country's citizens from its participants in an online game are too stupid to matter in society. Down with macros.
While the "smart" ones build the lovely image of your country today. _______________________
What we have here is total lack of respect for the law...
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Belhorn Battlebeard
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.15 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01 I dont care about race, but its just a simple fact that the majority of farmers are from asia with glibberish names in NPC corps that only destroy the game that we try to enjoy.
I think CCP are doing a good enough job of that themselves with their "excellent customer service". To the OP - so you have a PERSONAL grudge against these people? Because if you don't, then it just makes you a "goody two-shoes" who appears to have nothing better to do that grass people up because YOU disagree. Can you not see that you just look like some wannabe detective who thinks he's cool by advertising the fact that he's a snitch? Good luck ever getting trusted by anyone again, ROFL! _____________
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Belhorn Battlebeard
Igneus Auctorita GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.15 09:32:00 -
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Oh, and post with your main! _____________
You like Girl Scout Cookies? C'mere, c'mere, you wanna cookie? HERE'S A COOKIE !!!1!1! |
Zafriel
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Posted - 2007.06.15 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: SantaKlauz Well if the rough estamate of 4 dollars feeds a family how much is internet, computer to run eve and general power. I wonder if that the money is not well spent.... now if he can affort internet, and a computer to do eve then he can ( or she ) can get up and go get a legit job and a haircut Thus would stop scum from ruining the game.
Do not forget they also can be scamming in real life off people in eve or many other games I am sure a handful do this.
Get a haircut and geeeeet a real job
Thats where your wrong, with respect to Chinese farmers; not many own their computers, most work in huge sweat shops for 12 hour shifts in return for a few dollars. When I was last in Foshan I saw one huge warehouse with over 1000 people in the one space playing mmorpgs, it was disgusting, it was dirty, extremely warm and stank....tbh it nearly made me vommit.
For someone who seems to despise chinese isk farmers you do know very little about them, Im pretty sure the vast majority of those isk farmers would like to have a haircut and live to the standards of the western countries.
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Leandro Salazar
The Blackguard Wolves
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Posted - 2007.06.15 12:44:00 -
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So when someone is doing something violating the EULA and detrimental to the game overall, we are supposed to be lenient as there is a real person behind the computer, yet when people that hurt noone get ganked in highsec and lose all their assets in one fell swoop we are supposed to laugh at them despite there being a real person behind the computer?
Yeah, sure. Sorry, but this macro-defender doesn't have all cookies on the same platter...
Thank you SkyFlyer!
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Hellspawn01
Amarr Falcon Advanced Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.15 13:01:00 -
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Originally by: Zafriel Thats where your wrong, with respect to Chinese farmers; not many own their computers, most work in huge sweat shops for 12 hour shifts in return for a few dollars. When I was last in Foshan I saw one huge warehouse with over 1000 people in the one space playing mmorpgs, it was disgusting, it was dirty, extremely warm and stank....tbh it nearly made me vommit.
For someone who seems to despise chinese isk farmers you do know very little about them, Im pretty sure the vast majority of those isk farmers would like to have a haircut and live to the standards of the western countries.
They chose it that way. I¦ve seen it aswell but they keep doing it. But thats not our problem. I will not go into this cuz its not allowed here to discuss politics.
But thats pretty much all irrelevant. A violation against the EULA is a violation. The person behind the char is irrelevant.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.15 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar So when someone is doing something violating the EULA and detrimental to the game overall, we are supposed to be lenient as there is a real person behind the computer, yet when people that hurt noone get ganked in highsec and lose all their assets in one fell swoop we are supposed to laugh at them despite there being a real person behind the computer?
Yeah, sure. Sorry, but this macro-defender doesn't have all cookies on the same platter...
Because farmers have rights too.
Actually, farmers have MORE rights than players. Because thats the politically correct way!
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Areaulius
Caldari Mad Mercs
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Posted - 2007.06.15 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
Also, I think the whole issue is rather humerous, as 85% of people who play MMOs regularly violate the EULA that they've never read, but these same people are always the first to scream up and down about banning someone they don't like for "violating the EULA.
-Karlemgne
Where did this "85% of people who play MMO's regularly violate the EULA that they never read, but these same people are always first to scream up and down about someone they don't like for violating the EULA" come from?
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:30:00 -
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Originally by: Areaulius Where did this "85% of people who play MMO's regularly violate the EULA that they never read, but these same people are always first to scream up and down about someone they don't like for violating the EULA" come from?
I think he pulled it out of you know where.
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.15 16:44:00 -
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Originally by: Jebe Noyon
BTW why do you think these so called farmerboys are from China?
The Chinese email address in the screen shot is a good clue
btw, you might want to run a spell checker through your post if you are commenting on people finishing college Sig removed...coz like, you know sometimes I pirate...no, not pirating..err defending the gurista..yes that's the one |
banner
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Posted - 2007.06.15 17:16:00 -
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Quote: I think CCP are doing a good enough job of that themselves with their "excellent customer service". To the OP - so you have a PERSONAL grudge against these people? Because if you don't, then it just makes you a "goody two-shoes" who appears to have nothing better to do that grass people up because YOU disagree. Can you not see that you just look like some wannabe detective who thinks he's cool by advertising the fact that he's a snitch? Good luck ever getting trusted by anyone again, ROFL! _____________
if u dont like the way ccp are doing their job then u could always email them with suggestions, they always like to hear from customers to help improve the way things are done, its called customer support for a reason. regards to ur opinion of the op, i think u will find its not a PERSONAL grudge, alot of us players dont appreciate finding macroers *where ever they are from* breaking EULA rules all over eve. and as for being a goodie 2 shoes, that really isnt the case, ccp ask for all users to report any instances of players breaking EULA rules. that way it helps to improve the gameplay of those who abide by them. and yes i hold a grudge against these macroers/farmers as do most the eve comunity that i have met because these macroers are helping certain people to gain an unfair advantage in the game for little to no effort when the rest of us play hard to make the same gains. rules and laws are in place for a reason, these macroers/farmers are blatently disregarding these rules and as part of the eve community it is our duty to stop them through reporting them. BTW TO THE OP....... i am in full support of wat u are doing, keep slowing down their progress and there is no harm in making some profit from their goodies just make sure u keep reporting them to ccp to keep ur actions legit
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Hellspawn01
Originally by: Zafriel Thats where your wrong, with respect to Chinese farmers; not many own their computers, most work in huge sweat shops for 12 hour shifts in return for a few dollars. When I was last in Foshan I saw one huge warehouse with over 1000 people in the one space playing mmorpgs, it was disgusting, it was dirty, extremely warm and stank....tbh it nearly made me vommit.
For someone who seems to despise chinese isk farmers you do know very little about them, Im pretty sure the vast majority of those isk farmers would like to have a haircut and live to the standards of the western countries.
They chose it that way. I¦ve seen it aswell but they keep doing it. But thats not our problem. I will not go into this cuz its not allowed here to discuss politics.
But thats pretty much all irrelevant. A violation against the EULA is a violation. The person behind the char is irrelevant.
Of course, thus my invitation to everyone to actually READ the EULA.
Nobody actually does, but if you did, you'd see how the document is framed in such a way that YOU violate it everyday for doing very simple stuff.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Areaulius Where did this "85% of people who play MMO's regularly violate the EULA that they never read, but these same people are always first to scream up and down about someone they don't like for violating the EULA" come from?
I think he pulled it out of you know where.
I actually work for a company that produces an MMO, so no, I didn't "pull it out of you know where." Nice try.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Leandro Salazar So when someone is doing something violating the EULA and detrimental to the game overall, we are supposed to be lenient as there is a real person behind the computer, yet when people that hurt noone get ganked in highsec and lose all their assets in one fell swoop we are supposed to laugh at them despite there being a real person behind the computer?
Yeah, sure. Sorry, but this macro-defender doesn't have all cookies on the same platter...
That isn't what I said. I'm not trying to "defend" anyone, just make people think about the things they do and say.
Again, CCP is WELL within their rights to remove players who are selling isk for real currency.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Methem
Originally by: Karlemgne Wow, congrats on conning someone out of their job. Good for you!
Yea, way to stop macros from ruining the game and inflating isk prices everywhere.
Originally by: Karlemgne
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy.
What?? I'm an American and this makes no sense.
Congrats SantaKlauz Be sure to update us on the macro pwnage
-Methem An American
Again, isk farming isn't a EULA violation. Even the transfer of currency through isk via GTCs isn't a violation of the EULA, its even encouraged.
If you really think that isk for dollars/euros ruins the game, you should ask CCP to shut down GTC sellers.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Leandro Salazar So when someone is doing something violating the EULA and detrimental to the game overall, we are supposed to be lenient as there is a real person behind the computer, yet when people that hurt noone get ganked in highsec and lose all their assets in one fell swoop we are supposed to laugh at them despite there being a real person behind the computer?
Yeah, sure. Sorry, but this macro-defender doesn't have all cookies on the same platter...
Because farmers have rights too.
Actually, farmers have MORE rights than players. Because thats the politically correct way!
*Sigh*
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:21:00 -
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Originally by: banner
Quote: I think CCP are doing a good enough job of that themselves with their "excellent customer service". To the OP - so you have a PERSONAL grudge against these people? Because if you don't, then it just makes you a "goody two-shoes" who appears to have nothing better to do that grass people up because YOU disagree. Can you not see that you just look like some wannabe detective who thinks he's cool by advertising the fact that he's a snitch? Good luck ever getting trusted by anyone again, ROFL! _____________
if u dont like the way ccp are doing their job then u could always email them with suggestions, they always like to hear from customers to help improve the way things are done, its called customer support for a reason. regards to ur opinion of the op, i think u will find its not a PERSONAL grudge, alot of us players dont appreciate finding macroers *where ever they are from* breaking EULA rules all over eve. and as for being a goodie 2 shoes, that really isnt the case, ccp ask for all users to report any instances of players breaking EULA rules. that way it helps to improve the gameplay of those who abide by them. and yes i hold a grudge against these macroers/farmers as do most the eve comunity that i have met because these macroers are helping certain people to gain an unfair advantage in the game for little to no effort when the rest of us play hard to make the same gains. rules and laws are in place for a reason, these macroers/farmers are blatently disregarding these rules and as part of the eve community it is our duty to stop them through reporting them. BTW TO THE OP....... i am in full support of wat u are doing, keep slowing down their progress and there is no harm in making some profit from their goodies just make sure u keep reporting them to ccp to keep ur actions legit
Again, Banner, you CAN trade cash for isk legally via the GTC system. Meaning, a legal way of "giving advantage" to those willing to pay more exists.
My participation in this thread was two-fold. One, I like it when people critically engage with things around them, even the MMO world of isk farming. Two, everyone should be aware of EULA violations... this means actually reading the EULA, which I encourage everyone to do.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Methem
Originally by: Karlemgne Wow, congrats on conning someone out of their job. Good for you!
Yea, way to stop macros from ruining the game and inflating isk prices everywhere.
Originally by: Karlemgne
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy.
What?? I'm an American and this makes no sense.
Congrats SantaKlauz Be sure to update us on the macro pwnage
-Methem An American
Well I guess if you want to perpetuate the stereotype of Americans being completely oblivious to anyone in the world but themselves, you have a point.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:24:00 -
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Originally by: Areaulius
Originally by: Karlemgne
Also, I think the whole issue is rather humerous, as 85% of people who play MMOs regularly violate the EULA that they've never read, but these same people are always the first to scream up and down about banning someone they don't like for "violating the EULA.
-Karlemgne
Where did this "85% of people who play MMO's regularly violate the EULA that they never read, but these same people are always first to scream up and down about someone they don't like for violating the EULA" come from?
From three years employment in the video game industry, specifically MMO development.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gaia Thorn Karlemgne I just have to ask is the air thin were you live or are you reffering to yourself when saying great way of making americans look dumb ?
So you think it's ok for *whatever country* isk farmer/macroers to do what they are doing since they "work" in a shop. Thats like saying hey it's ok that the colombian cocain cutters are just doing a job, i mean since they are in a "shop" under lights or works spaces ?
What they are doing is performing a illegal act breaking A rule that is stated in the game by the game designers. They are litteraly hurting CCP since the farming reduces the experience for the "real" players in the game.
It's not fun to be fresh of the pod plant and want to shoot your first roid just to find out a group of *insert country here* farmers/macroers just passed through cleaning out the entire belt(s).
Im sorry but they have it coming just like the rest of the criminals. He knows what he is doing is illegal and he is willing to risk it, then he should be willing to take the punishment for it aswell.
I live in the United States. I won't get dragged any further into the root politics of this discussion, other than saying, yeah, I don't hate poor cocca growers.
Furthermore, "isk farming" is not anything like the drug trade, my friend. See (again) isk transfer for cash occurs legally everyday. Go take a look at the sell orders forum... see all those "WTS 30 DAY GTC 180 million isk."
So your analogy is defunct.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Areaulius
Caldari Mad Mercs
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Posted - 2007.06.15 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne
I live in the United States.
-Karlemgne
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:04:00 -
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Yes CCP does support giving them RL money for tons of GTC, which is a bit crappy as if i had like say.....a movie star who played eve in my alliance he could tip the advantages ( jessica alba call me *winks*) but as far as the isk SELLERS go it is still violating the ELUA, and still causing problems in the game. which problems well for one infesting systems with macro-LIKE activitys ruining it for others to work in them, It gives birth to a criminal like activity in the game which is Sweatshop Masters and forcing people to work in crap conditions to make a living. It does need to be eliminated, and it DOES need to be constantly watched by CCP.
now how do i know their all chinese well I do not, I am not saying all are but the ones so far I have spoken to or delt with understand chinese simple text and a few have SAID they are from there when I spoke to them in private chat. :P
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banner
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Posted - 2007.06.15 22:10:00 -
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i have noticed that u keep assuming a lot if not all of the players on eve have not bothered to read the EULA. though u may be right in some cases i must tell u that as boring as i may sound i for one have read the EULA right the way through, though after 4 years of playing i probably dont remember alot of it and possibly do break some of the rules with out realising. mainly when i call my corp mates a bunch of useless ******* noobs. but thats besides the point. yes u are right about the gtc cards to a point. from wat i have gathered about gtc's (dont bother with them myself) is that a player actually purchases a gtc from ccp, thus profit then goes to ccp. that player then sells his gtc for isk from another player and makes his profit in game, not in rl. and this is legal because it is done through ccp with ccp in mind! the difference between gtc's and these farmers is that the farmers actually make lots of isk through sitting at a computer (or using a program) playing eve, the isk that they have made is then put up for sale on auction sites for rl cash, and when a player is stupid enough to buy the isk then the cash profit goes to the farmer not ccp which makes it against the EULA. i have nothing against people purchasing gtc's, they are putting their rl cash into ccp so that ccp can improve hardware and software, well done to them, as we are all aware, ccp have a few gameplay issues that we all hope they resolve, but wat game doesnt have an issue when u have over 30 thousand users all on the same server. i played wow, and it was hellish during peak time. to the op, keep the reports coming
p.s. if i have got anything about the gtc's wrong then do correct me, its the only way to learn
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Flinx Evenstar
Minmatar Spartan Industries Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.16 00:04:00 -
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I am posting to break up the obvious forum spamage form Karlemgne's 9 posts in a row
In this case it is quite clear the guy is chinese (.cn is China net extension) That being said, I agree it is unfair to label ALL isk farmers as Chinese.
No matter where they are from, selling isk for real life currency is a clear violation of ANY MMO EULA.
CCP has evidence here, how will they act...
ISK sellers generate a good turn over in new subscribers, so lets turn a blind eye, or...CCP come good on their promise to clean up the corruption in this game.
My money is on Pure Beautiful remaining in game, but that's just my opinion about how CCP operates Sig removed...coz like, you know sometimes I pirate...no, not pirating..err defending the gurista..yes that's the one |
Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.16 07:40:00 -
[80]
The GTC system isnt a good idea in my opinion, but at least its CCP (creators of the game) who are getting something out of it.
Also, you talk about 85% of the people violating the EULA. These people arent being petitioned to have NOTHING done about it. The macroers KNOW they are breaking the rules. The players who break the rules without knowledge of doing so is completely off topic.
Also, how would you know that a macro takes a lot of time and effort? I used to macro in Ultima Online and would turn on the script before I went to sleep, to wake up 8hrs later with it still running.
Anyhow, all this spam about wether its right or wrong is just hijacking the OPs thread, so I'm not posting anymore about it. L8r
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.16 11:19:00 -
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Today I targeted one of the other corps operation inside FIX space....yet their WCS powers are impressive and their logoffski lvl 6 is VERY advanced. Yet i persisted in the logoff tatic and had chars rdy to login, this proved to be more effective than jump probe warp. OK I have a +24km and a +11km fitted totaling 3 points on the damage dealer, and +2 11km on the covert....I warp to a 87m probe hit off a 20 au on a raven YEY gonna get this one i think, i released drones and had blinkies on....GOT HIM locked, shields gone in 4 vollys of the nasty command ship hehe armor is 1/2 now and WTF warps to planet and as gm spiral told me "logged before i agressed him" I call BOL**** as he was in local for the 4-6 vollys i got into the raven and only vanished while in warp to his planet...*argues with GM Spiral a bit* ......(more ot come on response here) But seems logging off and on a alt is not working anymore and he SWEARS he logged once i uncloaked him (covert had sensor booster on and +2 points to quick agro) ok he has the logs i do not i leave it for him to review. anyways topic of the day is how many points to kill a isk farmer raven.....well it's not 5 ust me them rare WCS II like shin ra use to have, could this be isk farmers are fitting them (ba haha think they were nerfed to +1) anyways after some time ****ing them off royally like i do best...I seen more close 6 jumps so i go BINGO this nit didn't get the memo the isk hunters are in region and forgot to fit his +5-6 WCS's RAVEN DOWN! Ok one down 2,000 more to go...I proceed back to the annoying ones to **** them off even more, whats this i see FARM supplier in his impel filling their cans of ammo....nifty I have them bookmarked *warps to can* hehe HELLO impel meet sleipnir WTF a noob ship targeting my helios...OHNOES 6.3, 2.3 , 4.5 hits tear up the helios shields, I release the one drone domination pew pew...he goes down back to focus on the impel it's in structure.POP gets pwned ok now i will go back to the .4 he enters from to cut off the new raven i am sure is returning like clockwork..
*travels to a hot spot*....oh shinny 9by now i switched to a dictor and a recon) I see, not one but 2 jump in's what could they be *drops bubble* nice a purty CRANE inside the bubble with no fear I tackle it and drop 3 points, ah damn a abbadon uncloaks and locks the dictor *miss miss miss* I giggle and proceed to pod the crane....out comes the cans now i am rushing my alt to empire for his hauler and look in the can.. over a bil in loot.TY ION CORE!
tune in tomorrow for "adventures of the Deadly duo strike back. Isk farmer anilation pt.2 = the south"
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reallyobviousscout
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Posted - 2007.06.16 12:48:00 -
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the isk farmers can also use the GTC service to transfer billions of isk without ringing off the normal bells at CCP.
the guy buys the isk and a GTC with RL cash and gets the isk delivered via the GTC transfer service. how is that not wrong?
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Bagehi
Caldari Mean Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.16 14:21:00 -
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Karl, buddy, check the chat logs Santa posted. These guys are selling the isk for cash outright. You made a lot of valid points though. If these guys are macro mining, they are breaking the rules of the game. If these guys are selling isk directly for cash, they are breaking the rules of the game. I, personally, have nothing against having these guys mine out asteroids day-in and day-out, then use the isk to buy GTCs to resell for cash. It is part of the economy of Eve now.
The Great Depression was brought up in this thread (and the assumptions made based on that were rather off) if you want to see what economic upheaval is like (in a very small way), get rid of all those guys who work in isk farming sweat shops. It would probably ruin the game. I don't think there's too many players on here who would be willing to mine tritanium for 2 isk per unit in the quantities that the eve economy currently demands. Now imagine the rest of the mineral prices shooting through the roof. People complain constantly about the disparity in price between each of the different classes of ships and then the T2 stuff. That disparity is actually not that bad, the less isk farmers in the game, the greater that disparity becomes.
Why? For the same reason the repetitive jobs in 1st world countries move overseas. Repetitive work utilizes an easily replaceable workforce. Workers in wealthier nations have a higher cost of living and a higher standard of living. The standard of living falls as wages go up and thus prices go up. So, in the near-term, people from wealthy countries utilize the willingness of people with lower standards of living and cost of living to produce the products they consume at the prices they want. If you want to read some really wacky stuff, read what economists are saying about the trends in manufacturing jobs. I guess China's standard of living is rising at an increasing rate (it recently doubled from 6 years ago), so manufacturers are beginning to look to Africa.
Too many people with too little knowledge do too much talking.
So, if you didn't read anything else in this post, I will summarize:
Yes, the guys who talked to "SantaKlauz" violated the rules and should get the boot.
No - do NOT lump all the isk farmers together, they are an integral part of the Eve economy, and many actually operate within the rules. That is the problem facing CCP. If they stop GTC trading, the economy of Eve will go through a massive restructuring (which none of you want). |
Pindleskin
Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.06.16 15:00:00 -
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I've read all this thread and still get the feeling that if anyone is found out to be buying ISK they should be the ones podded to oblivion.
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Taipan Gedscho
Muzzletov Gewaltski Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.16 16:58:00 -
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Edited by: Taipan Gedscho on 16/06/2007 17:00:43
Originally by: Karlemgne That isn't what I said. I'm not trying to "defend" anyone, just make people think about the things they do and say.
yup. karl, its time that i tell you something: your posts are mostly quality work, you just use your brain, and have the ability to put your thoughts in rather clear words.
you get a lot of flak from people that just get you wrong, or dont have the... mental capabilities to understand what you actually are tying to say. its sad.
thanks for keeping your posting up, still. id just stop posting, rather than arguing with idiots
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.17 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Pindleskin I've read all this thread and still get the feeling that if anyone is found out to be buying ISK they should be the ones podded to oblivion.
Well if you are refering to me letting him give me all the information to petition him you are confused and do not see the entire point in chating with pure beautiful. why i even tried to ALLOW him to dig his own hole is I assumed CCP would like a rock solid petition to review and look over to see if this network indeed sold isk in the past. Don't get me wrong I do not need isk my wallet is well above anything most have 9not to rub it in here) but seriously 16.5b is not too much isk to me personally, after all I am santaKlauz. but yes some will scream entrapment which is not the case. He expressed a strong desire to sell, i started collecting information to file the petition right away and spoke with as you see in the SS's a man who knows more of the subject than I. thus I asked general questions to SEE how he was selling so ccp had a place ot start the search..I asked a price to see for chits and giggles what they made, and finally I asked for a amount specefic to see if they delt large enough quanity to justify calling them a network....why? because I personally seen a char called FBi cargo cans at EVERY safespot i busted of the farmers before they cloaked TOTAL of a MASSIVE 19 systems, 45+ cans each seemed to be specific to a farmer some were 2-3 in a system and each farmer cloaked 100km off "his ammo can" total numbers of isk farmers I seen so far is over 24. so it is indeed interesting to see how well they operate. oh and for the blood thursty fans today I downed 3 cloaked ravens, 3 giant cans and 2 hoarders full of npc loot :)
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Sue Zee
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.17 15:12:00 -
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Originally by: Flinx Evenstar I am posting to break up the obvious forum spamage form Karlemgne's 9 posts in a row
In this case it is quite clear the guy is chinese (.cn is China net extension) That being said, I agree it is unfair to label ALL isk farmers as Chinese.
No matter where they are from, selling isk for real life currency is a clear violation of ANY MMO EULA.
CCP has evidence here, how will they act...
ISK sellers generate a good turn over in new subscribers, so lets turn a blind eye, or...CCP come good on their promise to clean up the corruption in this game.
My money is on Pure Beautiful remaining in game, but that's just my opinion about how CCP operates
Alot of ISK farmers buy GAMETIMECODES for there subs, Thats why gametime codes have gone up in price and allso becouse of isk for reallife money dropping in price.
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Commander Thrawn
Fluffy Rabbit Killers
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Posted - 2007.06.17 15:29:00 -
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Originally by: Karlemgne Wow, congrats on conning someone out of their job. Good for you!
I hope their kids go hungry and stuff.
-Karl
me too. keep at it YAAARRRRR
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.17 16:45:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Sue Zee
Originally by: Flinx Evenstar I am posting to break up the obvious forum spamage form Karlemgne's 9 posts in a row
In this case it is quite clear the guy is chinese (.cn is China net extension) That being said, I agree it is unfair to label ALL isk farmers as Chinese.
No matter where they are from, selling isk for real life currency is a clear violation of ANY MMO EULA.
CCP has evidence here, how will they act...
ISK sellers generate a good turn over in new subscribers, so lets turn a blind eye, or...CCP come good on their promise to clean up the corruption in this game.
My money is on Pure Beautiful remaining in game, but that's just my opinion about how CCP operates
Alot of ISK farmers buy GAMETIMECODES for there subs, Thats why gametime codes have gone up in price and allso becouse of isk for reallife money dropping in price.
Mostly its because the "price" of third part isk has been falling.
-Karlemgne
Edited by: Ginger Magician on 16/03/2007 14:07:36 whereas those who constantly and deilberately exploit every possible aspect of the game mechanics get away scott free. |
Ket Halpak
Cold-Fury Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 00:14:00 -
[90]
Keep killing those farmers! Eve has a strict no ISK for RL Cash policy and it is good (and entertaining) to see the players enforcing it :) _ Check out my blog at RantingsofaCarebear.blogspot.com Privateers: Those who don't adapt become victims of harsh irony |
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Karanth
Gallente Cirrius Technologies O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.06.18 06:37:00 -
[91]
Support.
Where the person selling ISK is from, who they are, how easy/hard they have it. All irrelevant. All that matters is that ISK for cash is a violation.
Oh, BTW, Karlemgne, about your 85% comment? Aside from your 'credentials', do you have any other proof about people violating EULA daily? I mean, real proof, with, you know, pictures, or charts, or a dev quote, or something? I mean, otherwise, I could cite my qualifications in accountancy to explain why your country is run by the greatest minds that humanity has ever conceived, because after all, over $8 trillion in debt helps things grow, right?
NOTE: My comment is not designed to question qualifications that are not provable in any reasonable way, or bring other areas of RL into this. It is meant to show that, without proof, one can make statements that seem true, without having to back them up with anything but a nebulous "I know so!" I only explain to save someone the embarrassment of getting mocked for missing sarcasm. Those who truly deserve it don't read the whole post anyway.
Also, before anyone asks, yes, I was sarcastic about the debt being good, I enjoy mocking people with ridiculous/unprovable positions, and http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ is my source. Right or wrong, I cite one.
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weedmasta
Minmatar Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.18 08:18:00 -
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Edited by: weedmasta on 18/06/2007 08:21:25 On the "wow contact info from him" screenshot, the local chat dialogue was hilarious
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente The Aduro Protocol
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Posted - 2007.06.18 08:51:00 -
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That person has been set red to me for a long time.
She flies around Querious.
I hate her. She always cloaks.
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Strife Phoenix
Acerbus Vindictum
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Posted - 2007.06.18 09:00:00 -
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Originally by: Agent Li Let's face it - if we could get paid enough to live at our current standard of living just by playing Eve, we would.
/signed :) _ Win BIG ISK with BIG Lottery
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.06.18 09:01:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Ket Halpak Keep killing those farmers! Eve has a strict no ISK for RL Cash policy and it is good (and entertaining) to see the players enforcing it :)
A source of constant misery to see CCP going out of their way to avoid enforcing it.
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Faekurias
Caldari Federation Fleet Endless Horizon
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:03:00 -
[96]
geez. WTB 1 Flamefree thread , paying Quadrillion Yen / infinity TINY KITTEH :( >:)
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Troubadour
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.19 00:36:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Areaulius
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: SantaKlauz
Originally by: Karlemgne Edited by: Karlemgne on 13/06/2007 16:42:20
Originally by: SantaKlauz eve is a game to play, not work. Cannot be both for players. (hides from dev comments)
It is work to that poor shmuck you are petitioning who probably makes a dollar for every 12 hour day of currency farming.
And, by-the-by, way to make all Americans look bad, buddy. The Yes in the currency of Japan, not China, and no they aren't the same country.
-Karlemgne From North America also
contact marta stewart then maybe she will make a "save the china man" fund for them because they get no love from me. So quit whining tree hugger about me picking on a person or persons exploiting the CCP ELUA.
I am not a "tree hugger." See, people from China are what we call people, not trees. But I guess I get the sentiment... someone expresses concern for those less well of than themselves, and they become "tree huggers."
Again, way to make Americans look bad. We all appreciate it, let me tell you.
As to Martha Stewart, she's a rich capitalist from the United States. I dare say she doesn't give a **** about the "china man (sic)."
As for "exploiting the EULA." Have you actually read the EULA on any MMO? I bet you, you haven't, not one, for a single game... including this one. So something tells me that the only reason you "know" that isk farmers "violate the EULA" is because someone told you so.
News flash, Gordo, take a look at the EULA. I bet you violate it more than once a day.
-Karlemgne
When does being poor give the right to break rules?
NewsFlashNot all farmer-sellers are poor people from China. Many are lazy Americans/Europeans/Others on welfare, or a similar system that promotes laziness. While most of us work, these scum are playing games and collecting handouts!
what about me? I sit at work and play eve all day long. Am I scum?
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Karlemgne
The Black Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.19 01:58:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Faekurias geez. WTB 1 Flamefree thread , paying Quadrillion Yen / infinity
You're in C&P, mate, what'd ya' expect??
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SantaKlauz
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Posted - 2007.06.20 11:42:00 -
[99]
Today i logged in to find their pos in reinforced mode :) (giggles) Then i started to finish off the last of the small beams so i could setup a ambush .....The end of this farmers home is NEAR!
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milinkoee
Bastage Incorporated
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Posted - 2007.06.20 15:36:00 -
[100]
Originally by: Karlemgne
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Areaulius Where did this "85% of people who play MMO's regularly violate the EULA that they never read, but these same people are always first to scream up and down about someone they don't like for violating the EULA" come from?
I think he pulled it out of you know where.
I actually work for a company that produces an MMO, so no, I didn't "pull it out of you know where." Nice try.
-Karlemgne
Then as you admonished another poster earlier in the thread, "site your sources". Otherwise, we can only assume you pulled it out of there.
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