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fdasfdasfsafdas
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Posted - 2007.06.12 23:06:00 -
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So passive tanks are being nerfed. Does this mean active tanks will be better?
A few questions on active tanks: - With crazy capacitor skills and recharge rate, your own nos, passive hardeners, and a cap recharger, can you still keep repairing THROUGH a lot of dps forever even when you get NOS'd?
- What's the best ship for active tanking (pref shield) and how much DPS can it absorb? (For example, how's vulture? crazy passive base resists)
- Can active tanking be better than passive?
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Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.06.13 00:10:00 -
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The best sub-capital tank ingame is the Maelstrom.
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Markus Aurelian
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Posted - 2007.06.13 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Phoenix The best sub-capital tank ingame is the Maelstrom.
i think a rattlesnake would out tank a maelstrom, especially with high end mods. (granted, at 10x the cost its not practical but hey, that wasnt part of the question)
i prefer armor tanking though so my dreamboat's a bhaalgorn Meatwad FTW |
Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.06.13 00:54:00 -
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Originally by: Markus Aurelian
Originally by: Vicious Phoenix The best sub-capital tank ingame is the Maelstrom.
i think a rattlesnake would out tank a maelstrom, especially with high end mods. (granted, at 10x the cost its not practical but hey, that wasnt part of the question)
i prefer armor tanking though so my dreamboat's a bhaalgorn
You think wrong.
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
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Markus Aurelian
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Posted - 2007.06.13 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Phoenix
Originally by: Markus Aurelian
Originally by: Vicious Phoenix The best sub-capital tank ingame is the Maelstrom.
i think a rattlesnake would out tank a maelstrom, especially with high end mods. (granted, at 10x the cost its not practical but hey, that wasnt part of the question)
i prefer armor tanking though so my dreamboat's a bhaalgorn
You think wrong.
care to show some numbers? or just keep going back and forth with whose opinion is correct. im curious on the subject myself, but ive seen some rattlesnake setups that could tank unbelievable amounts of damage. Meatwad FTW |
Vicious Phoenix
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Posted - 2007.06.13 01:30:00 -
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I don't have any numbers, but it's not difficult to think about. The Rattlesnake has no bonuses for tanking and has the same number of mids and base shield resists as the maelstrom. The maelstrom gets a 37.5% bonus to shield booster effectiveness. Pretty clear that the maelstrom is the better tank.
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Originally by: CCP Tuxford I prefer dew over pepsi. I prefer beer over most things. Damn now I want beer.
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Marquis Dean
Demise and Vestige 9th Fleet
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Posted - 2007.06.13 01:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vicious Phoenix I don't have any numbers, but it's not difficult to think about. The Rattlesnake has no bonuses for tanking and has the same number of mids and base shield resists as the maelstrom. The maelstrom gets a 37.5% bonus to shield booster effectiveness. Pretty clear that the maelstrom is the better tank.
In practice, I think having twice the shield hp on the Rattler counts for something too.
And yeah, do give him numbers. Just saying 'you think wrong' is obnoxious and smack of you lacking any substance to your argument.
I'd be a gang tank in a Rattler oevr a Mael any day.
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Originally by: Wild Rho I'm having a hard time getting over the irony of spelling "dumb" wrong.
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LeMoose
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2007.06.13 02:51:00 -
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maelstorm wins
claymore is very close thx to t2 resists, smaller sig, and better speed
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.06.13 03:47:00 -
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Just to represent armor, Hyperion has the best Armor Tank, I don't think you can realistically fit an Abaddon to tank better and maintain cap. - "The Mains Created the alts They rebelled They look...and feel...human Some are programmed to think they are human There are many alts. And they have a plan." - Forumstar Galactica |
Markus Aurelian
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Posted - 2007.06.13 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Red Crown Just to represent armor, Hyperion has the best Armor Tank, I don't think you can realistically fit an Abaddon to tank better and maintain cap.
Thats false. for armor resistances are more important than boosting the amount repped due to the fact that armor repairers are slower. if you can mitigate the damage you're taking before you have to repair it by up to 25% than youre better off than having to spend cap to repair it. this is especially true if you dont have enough cap to run your rep (say a booster is reloading).
the important thing there is to remember that for the hyperion to tank better it has to actually use its rep, the abaddon in many cases wouldnt have to perma rep to keep up with the damage due to high resists.
fyi...neither the abaddon nor the hyperion will realistically be permanently sustainable if theyre shooting with a full rack of guns. or if they havent put a few cap rechargers and cprs in (not useful in my experience since nos will own your recharge anyways). basically abaddon vs hyperion is who can tank the most until boosters run out. without doing the numbers behind it (because im lazy and tired) im going with the abaddon Meatwad FTW |
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Copine Callmeknau
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.13 05:22:00 -
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Claymore Same mids as Maelstrom, same bonus, much higher resists. And yes you can fit an x-l booster to it :p
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Originally by: Patch86 Depressing as hell though. By the end, you feel like someone's eaten your kitten.
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Keitaro Baka
Babylon Scientific and Industrial Enterprises Babylon Project
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Posted - 2007.06.13 05:54:00 -
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Originally by: fdasfdasfsafdas So passive tanks are being nerfed. Does this mean active tanks will be better?
A few questions on active tanks: - With crazy capacitor skills and recharge rate, your own nos, passive hardeners, and a cap recharger, can you still keep repairing THROUGH a lot of dps forever even when you get NOS'd?
- What's the best ship for active tanking (pref shield) and how much DPS can it absorb? (For example, how's vulture? crazy passive base resists)
- Can active tanking be better than passive?
I have to agree with most people here that in the normal realm (ie let's forget about the faction/officer stuff for a bit again) you're prolly best off using a maelstrom. The commandships (minnie and caldari) are pretty decent aswell.
As for the first question: I'm not sure if active tanking will be better for certain ships after the nerfing.. fitting reqs will be changed and base shield recharge (by very little tbh last I checked), maybe you will still use your passive tank on a drake over an active tank.. It won't be as good as before, but it won't be bad..
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Copine Callmeknau
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.13 05:57:00 -
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Originally by: Keitaro Baka
Originally by: fdasfdasfsafdas So passive tanks are being nerfed. Does this mean active tanks will be better?
A few questions on active tanks: - With crazy capacitor skills and recharge rate, your own nos, passive hardeners, and a cap recharger, can you still keep repairing THROUGH a lot of dps forever even when you get NOS'd?
- What's the best ship for active tanking (pref shield) and how much DPS can it absorb? (For example, how's vulture? crazy passive base resists)
- Can active tanking be better than passive?
I have to agree with most people here that in the normal realm (ie let's forget about the faction/officer stuff for a bit again) you're prolly best off using a maelstrom. The commandships (minnie and caldari) are pretty decent aswell.
As for the first question: I'm not sure if active tanking will be better for certain ships after the nerfing.. fitting reqs will be changed and base shield recharge (by very little tbh last I checked), maybe you will still use your passive tank on a drake over an active tank.. It won't be as good as before, but it won't be bad..
I simply posted an officer setup for overkill value.
Using T2 mods the claymore still has a superior active tank to the maelstrom, as it can fit the exact same tank but comes with inbuilt resistances.
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Originally by: Patch86 Depressing as hell though. By the end, you feel like someone's eaten your kitten.
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Arakidias
Murky Inc. Vigilance Infinitas
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Posted - 2007.06.13 06:06:00 -
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Was it the maelstrom or the hyperion that could fit a capital repper? I seem to have read something about that earlier on these forums.
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.13 06:11:00 -
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Originally by: Arakidias Was it the maelstrom or the hyperion that could fit a capital repper? I seem to have read something about that earlier on these forums.
Maelstrom can, and it'll run for about three cycles
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Khu'ra
Minmatar Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.06.13 06:40:00 -
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Originally by: Sokratesz
Originally by: Arakidias Was it the maelstrom or the hyperion that could fit a capital repper? I seem to have read something about that earlier on these forums.
Maelstrom can, and it'll run for about three cycles
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Ulii
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Posted - 2007.06.13 07:06:00 -
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IIRC it will boost about the same as your total shield ammount, so if you fire it at 40, you loose a hell of a lot... shield boosters boost in the beginning of their cycle...
fire it when you start taking armour damage... your enemy will be quite suprised when he thinks he has taken down your shield and a second later you have 100%
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Berlina
Caldari KillaSquad
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Posted - 2007.06.13 11:11:00 -
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asfar as i acn see, its resistance over boost, so you 2 with the rata and mael tell me ure generic resists on your ships, then we work out how effective it would be
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nakKEDK
Gallente North Face Force Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:14:00 -
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rokh?
25% shield resis is better than 37.5 % booster imo.. dont bother arguing with me, cause im allways right. Well at least sometimes. |
Sir Howard
Lynx Frontier Inc. Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Sir Howard on 13/06/2007 12:21:23 It's probably not the best per say but I use a domi for my lv 4's and can keep a 2 T2 armor repper and 4 hardener setup running forever without nos.
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LUKEC
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: LUKEC on 13/06/2007 12:44:38 It's funny how crappy are armor tanks compared to shield tanks.
Best perma running "solo" armor tank I can think of atm is probably eos with: 3 gang links 5x recharger II 2x corpum rep, 3x hardener stuff
Can get overall resists over 85% (2x 28% eanm, 64% explo hardener) and boosts like 2x 1150hp/6.5s (numon implant, 2x t2 aux pump, 25% drug). (so tanks like 2350-2400dps).
Abaddon with centus reps is better, problem is running anything on that though.
Claymore with gist booster (let's use btype and pith btype amp)+crystal set boosts like 1700hp/4s (or actually 2120hp/4s with 25% drug) and has 4 slots for hardeners. Can it perma run... actually yes, but requires cap relay (and you "only" boosts 1900 hp :D ) -------- I tanked D2 capital fleet and all I got was truncated Erebus mail.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.13 13:17:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 13/06/2007 13:17:46
Originally by: nakKEDK rokh? 25% shield resis is better than 37.5 % booster imo..
25% shield resists is +33.33%, which is weaker as 37.5%, but at least it applies to pre-existing (and passively recharged) shields too.
On the other hand, Rokh has to use capacitor to fire the guns, Maelstrom doesn't... so normally, Maelstrom will have a lot more capacitor at its disposal to tank with while also shooting. Ergo, Maelstrom will have a much better duration tank, but Rokh can fit a much better HP-based tank. _ New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Berlina
Caldari KillaSquad
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Posted - 2007.06.13 15:38:00 -
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What bout minmatar gun rokh then, ub3r resists, power to damage
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xHalcyonx
Amarr EmpiresMod
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Posted - 2007.06.13 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Berlina What bout minmatar gun rokh then, ub3r resists, power to damage
Then you're doing crap damage because most AC / Arty boats are bonused to Projectile weapons by anywhere from 25% to 58% more damage then they put out as thier base damage.
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