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Dr Felonius
Caldari Civilian Purposes Limited
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Posted - 2007.06.13 02:48:00 -
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Just to be absolutely sure - is the T2 lottery gone forever now, with no more BPOs to be issued ever in those categories that don't show any predictable inventions? Or will the lottery continue until all the details of Invention are ironed out?
I'd hate to liquidate all my RP and check back in three months to see that there are BPOs in the lottery again.
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Pwett
Minmatar QUANT Corp. Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.06.13 05:50:00 -
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Short of a Dev response, dev blogs have made it very clear they don't want to return to the lottery system - however there are talks of having some sort of RP / LP market so you might still want to hold on to those points. _______________ Pwett CEO and Founder [QTC]QUANT Corp.
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.13 08:48:00 -
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afaik there is no "RP" shop, only for datacores, while there is an LP shop, but that's only the normal mission offer stuff.
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Padreic
ICE is Coming to EVE Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.13 10:42:00 -
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A "RP shop" would be nice, so at least you would know how long you would have to research/wait before having a T2 BPO. So that in the end, only people/corporations putting real efforts into research would get something.
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Carniflex
Caldari Fallout Research Fallout Project
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Posted - 2007.06.13 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Padreic A "RP shop" would be nice, so at least you would know how long you would have to research/wait before having a T2 BPO. So that in the end, only people/corporations putting real efforts into research would get something.
Yep. That would be nice. A long while ago they even considered possibility of having T2 BPO auction for RP points once per month. Unfortunately all those nice ideas got scrapped with invention and devs are even considering possibility of getting rid of T2 BPO's alltogether in the future (most likely, if ever, it would not happen before revelations 3).
As far as holding to RP points in the hope of getting something from R&D agent. I would not hold my breath on that one. From the devblogs it sure seems like they would like to forget about T2 BPO's and lottery alltogether and replace it with something not so mutch 'insta ritch ticket'. Well - then again it's already too late to cash them in so you might as well hold to them in the hope of datacore price rising a bit in the future after initial cash in wave of datacores passes.
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Qual
Gallente Cornexant Research
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Posted - 2007.06.13 12:46:00 -
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Originally by: Carniflex
A long while ago they even considered possibility of having T2 BPO auction for RP points once per month.
It was to be for ISK not RP's.
The benefit would be twofold. There would slowly enter more BPO's for the overpriced items, and CCP would have added a massive ISK sink. In the end I think they realised that something like invention would have much of the same effect, but instead of making the rich even richer, it would allow for a greater group of people to get into the fun.
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Dr Felonius
Caldari Civilian Purposes Limited
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Posted - 2007.06.13 15:27:00 -
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I was hoping for a dev response. The blogs about killing the lottery made it clear that they wanted to do so but not that it was done. There was a lot of speculation about adding ways to add runs to BPCs, or the aforementioned stores, and none of that seems to be close to release right now.
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Frere
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Posted - 2007.06.13 15:36:00 -
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Since the Mods have not answered, it appears that they want us to figure this out on our own as normal.
It is reasonable to assume that if you look at an agent and the info provided about the type of research they preform, you get 2 types of information. 1) "there is no discernable outlook" meaning all the T2 BPOs for that subject have been issued. 2) a T2 Name... ie Hammerhead II, ect... I see (all 5 of my agents) agents still offering them so it is easy to assume that they will give them out in time.
Of course this is just an opinion, but since logic , reason, and a game world never co-operate who knows.
just my .002 isk worth
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Archo X
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.13 18:29:00 -
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I think the biggest unanswered question is what happens if a T2 BPO is destroyed? Before it was reseeded. Will that still happen or will T2 BPOs now be valuable because of rarity and not profits?
If BPOs do reseed then the brave few might hold on to RPs. When everyone cashes out the RP pool will shrink dramatically, hence greatly increasing the odds to those that hold on to blind hope. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
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Der Ewige
Cataclysm Enterprises Kraftwerk.
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Posted - 2007.06.14 07:43:00 -
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Edited by: Der Ewige on 14/06/2007 07:42:08 T2 BPO's will suffer the same destiny than infinit run BPC's did.
-First CCP will remove the possibility to creat new ones (close the lottery)
-At some point CCP desides that T2 BPO's are no longer needed for the supply of T2 modules an are an unfaire advantage, because the invested RP has longe been cashed out. (Probably in about 1 years) CCP will then turn the BPO's into max run BPC's.
-With the high runnumbers and long production times, producers will be able to produce from this BPC about 6 months.
-About one year later only so called veterans will know, that there ever were T2 BPO's. ------- http://www.stillbruch.ch |
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Lady Beauvoir
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Posted - 2007.06.15 10:05:00 -
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Originally by: Der Ewige Edited by: Der Ewige on 14/06/2007 07:42:08 T2 BPO's will suffer the same destiny than infinit run BPC's did.
-First CCP will remove the possibility to creat new ones (close the lottery)
-At some point CCP desides that T2 BPO's are no longer needed for the supply of T2 modules an are an unfaire advantage, because the invested RP has longe been cashed out. (Probably in about 1 years) CCP will then turn the BPO's into max run BPC's.
-With the high runnumbers and long production times, producers will be able to produce from this BPC about 6 months.
-About one year later only so called veterans will know, that there ever were T2 BPO's.
I seriously doubt this. T2 BPOs are useful in keeping certain modules on market for cheap prices which are not used that much: for example, if we did not have T2 BPO's, the price of, say, racial ECM modules would suddenly skyrocket. There are plenty of T2 BPOs which are used to keep the basic demand supplied and invention is there to keep the actual profits in check and supply those modules which are in high demand.
I'm starting to see that the system works pretty well at the moment. :) And yes, I'm a multiple T2 BPO owner and don't do invention and see my profits going down weekly.
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swoj
The New Order. United Connection's
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Posted - 2007.06.15 17:53:00 -
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As far as I was aware, T2 BPOs will never be removed from the game. I believe there was a dev post/blog recently that was talking about future BPO releases (either for T2 BS or T3), they would definately not be issued by lottery but they don't know how they would come out yet. I assume what ever method they decide on would also work for replacing lost T2 BPOs.
As far as I see it, the new method would have to factor several things: 1. should not affect the availability of datacores 2. should be a available to more or less everyone
For those reasons, I don't think a regular auction system would be a viable way for people to acquire new BPOs. If it was an RP auction, people would not buy datacores, so supply would drop again. If an isk auction, then the biggest wallet will win again (the rich get richer)
I'd been thinking that a 'lowest unique bid' type option could be a suitable method to release new BPOs. It could work with either RPs or Isk. If RPs are used, people would not need to save up RP to stand a chance of winning. If Isk is used then people would bid from their wallet, with the isk bid being taken from them (which means they have to be able to afford it, and if CCP put a minimum start point of 10m isk, then it could be a nice little isk sink in the fight against inflation) - a 1 bid per character system would help avoid manipulation by the big wallet people.
Of course, you would have to have an agent that works in the appropriate field to be able to bid (maybe the amount of bids allowed per character could be determined by the level of the agent)
There might still be luck involved, however it would be a much more interactive system than the old lottery.
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shady trader
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Posted - 2007.06.16 13:38:00 -
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The devs have said there there is a possibliy that in the future there will be RP based store to buy tech 2 BPO's. However this depends on tech3 which will replace tech 2 as the must have item and will be invention only. I think the idea they are toying with will be to move the current invention system to mainly be used to produce tech3 items, with the RP store providing BPO's to make the BPC's needed for the invention process.
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