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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:40:00 -
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Quote: You have to remember Archbishop that The Sani Sabik alliance is comprised of individuals who worship the concept of ego. As such, you can't expect them to organise an operation as fast as we're used to seeing in PIE, as they spend so much time talking about the operation and drawing attention to themselves.
Quite true Admiral Blake after all one with secret comm channels and plans among plans who also in the same breath would issue secret plans for public review certainly is more obsessed with drawing attention to themselves than in any type of actual "victory" or "objective".
Quote: Not as much as PIE spends here a IGS spaming forums and threads that has nothing to do with them.
Actually it has everything to do with us as Amarrians. After all in your very first post on this thread you said "Revenge of Vak'Atioth is what is needed to heal the Sick Amarrian's wounded psyche. We are not meant to chase slaves conquesting lands of apes as if there are pride on it.". This would seem to indicate you think there is something wrong with defending the Empire against terrorism. As longtime supporters of the Empire it isn't a leap at all to consider we would respond is it.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG |
Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:43:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Actually it has everything to do with us as Amarrians.
Than instead of spaming with worthless answers to add on page numbers, get yout ship ready to fly to Val'Atioth. If you're not here to do this, move along. Apes may get a banana out of Providence while you turn your eyes here.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Rodj Blake on 28/06/2007 11:45:58
Why would we want to fly to Atioth when there is nothing relevant there?
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Why would we want to fly to Atioth when there is nothing relevant there?
Considering your concept of "relevant" Yes, there are no minmatar Apes or Amarrian boys.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Rodj Blake
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:55:00 -
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Originally by: Revan Neferis
Originally by: Rodj Blake
Why would we want to fly to Atioth when there is nothing relevant there?
Considering your concept of "relevant" Yes, there are no minmatar Apes or Amarrian boys.
And also, no Jovians.
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 11:57:00 -
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Quote: Than instead of spaming with worthless answers to add on page numbers, get yout ship ready to fly to Val'Atioth. If you're not here to do this, move along. Apes may get a banana out of Providence while you turn your eyes here.
Actually we've been quite busy here fighting real threats to the Empire and our way of life and wouldn't dream of wasting our time flying off to whereever it is you are (since the in ship map indicates your not where you say you are).
Even if by some miracle a Jovian capital fleet appeared to fight you and if by even a greater miracle you defeat them somehow it's a moot point since they've not been an active threat to Amarr for centuries. Wasting time fighting them in some far off area of space not adjoining Amarr would simply be a waste of time when there are those actually declared to the goal of bringing down Amarr who are right here now today.
But just as you sat in Providence killing macroes infested Bestowers by the hundreds I'll leave you to this yet another in the long line of your tactically "brilliant" manuevers.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG |
Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.28 12:04:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Quote: Than instead of spaming with worthless answers to add on page numbers, get yout ship ready to fly to Val'Atioth. If you're not here to do this, move along. Apes may get a banana out of Providence while you turn your eyes here.
Actually we've been quite busy here fighting real threats to the Empire and our way of life and wouldn't dream of wasting our time flying off to whereever it is you are (since the in ship map indicates your not where you say you are).
Even if by some miracle a Jovian capital fleet appeared to fight you and if by even a greater miracle you defeat them somehow it's a moot point since they've not been an active threat to Amarr for centuries. Wasting time fighting them in some far off area of space not adjoining Amarr would simply be a waste of time when there are those actually declared to the goal of bringing down Amarr who are right here now today.
But just as you sat in Providence killing macroes infested Bestowers by the hundreds I'll leave you to this yet another in the long line of your tactically "brilliant" manuevers.
Archbishop
So then defeat of Imperial forces was jut propaganda. And that the Rebellion that followed was also a farce. The Empire just allowed the Minmatar to leave and make their own Republic?
You are more delusional than I previously thought.
Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminatus From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Raane Thyandar
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:22:00 -
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Oh they happened, nothing we can do to return and prevent them so we fight the enemies of the empire in the here and now. Did you actually have a point in that post?
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.28 14:37:00 -
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Originally by: Raane Thyandar Oh they happened, nothing we can do to return and prevent them so we fight the enemies of the empire in the here and now. Did you actually have a point in that post?
Do you have a point in this post?
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Tenebrion Darkness
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Posted - 2007.06.28 15:58:00 -
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Originally by: Casserina Leshrac So then defeat of Imperial forces was jut propaganda. And that the Rebellion that followed was also a farce. The Empire just allowed the Minmatar to leave and make their own Republic?
I guess this needs stated again, the rebellion began before the battle at Vak'Atioh, learn your history.
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Hooch Flux
Caldari Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.06.28 16:28:00 -
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Have they gone yet? Ah, no, obviously not!
I say prep for dustoff, nuke the site from orbit...
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Kallanagh Tellen
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.06.28 16:44:00 -
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And lo the joke continues
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.28 17:16:00 -
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Edited by: Casserina Leshrac on 28/06/2007 17:15:55
Originally by: Tenebrion Darkness Edited by: Tenebrion Darkness on 28/06/2007 16:16:57
Originally by: Casserina Leshrac So then defeat of Imperial forces was jut propaganda. And that the Rebellion that followed was also a farce. The Empire just allowed the Minmatar to leave and make their own Republic?
I guess this needs stated again, the rebellion began before the battle at Vak'Atioh with the incident at Diemnon, learn your history.
My point had nothing to do with written record. Rather, to imply that Imperial censors will re-write history according to the lack of events in order the stain of shame upon every Amarrian soul.
Of course that doesn't say much about the official either now does it?
Most of which beats strong in the Sani Sabik, rather than the empire these days.
Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminatus From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.28 17:21:00 -
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Originally by: Raane Thyandar Oh they happened, nothing we can do to return and prevent them so we fight the enemies of the empire in the here and now. Did you actually have a point in that post?
And now I have for you the perfect example of an Amarrian sheep.
Instead of the Empire preparing to take out the real threat, they spend all their resources challenging apes.
The real enemy of the Empire, is not the Minmatar, nor the Jove it's the Loyalists.
Had this been an Empire of the Amarr, there would be no question that it is Jove who pose the greatest threat. Instead my case has been made that with Loyalist sheep like this who needs an Empire.
People like this are seeds of the Empires eventual end.
Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminatus From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Tenebrion Darkness
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Posted - 2007.06.28 17:29:00 -
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Edited by: Tenebrion Darkness on 28/06/2007 17:33:02 Which beats strong? Shame or the need to re-write history?
Edit: Yes, those who try to live by the Empire's standards, and combat against those who would see it destroyed (yours truly included), will lead to its end. Who is being delusional now?
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.28 18:49:00 -
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Originally by: Tenebrion Darkness Edited by: Tenebrion Darkness on 28/06/2007 17:33:02 Which beats strong? Shame or the need to re-write history?
Edit: Yes, those who try to live by the Empire's standards, and combat against those who would see it destroyed (yours truly included), will lead to its end. Who is being delusional now?
Re-write the history is a need for psicological developemnt of the next generations. Just a dying breed that have no regards for future can't ackowledge this basic truth.
And no, we don't want the Empire destroyed. We want it restored.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Tenebrion Darkness
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Posted - 2007.06.28 18:52:00 -
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Edited by: Tenebrion Darkness on 28/06/2007 18:52:30 To change the Empire into something that fits with your image of what it should be would be destroying what the Empire is.
Edit: Also, you can't rewrite history, only learn from it. You seem to have failed in that, considering your current course of action.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.28 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Tenebrion Darkness Edited by: Tenebrion Darkness on 28/06/2007 18:52:30 To change the Empire into something that fits with your image of what it should be would be destroying what the Empire is.
Edit: Also, you can't rewrite history, only learn from it. You seem to have failed in that, considering your current course of action.
The empire that it is fits just a few deluded loyalists. I didn't know you became one of them. Also, you can re-write history by changing it's focus. If actually a fleet of 2000 ships now marches against te Jove, this will be writen at our children's holorels. The nexy generation will know that not only shame covers their blood but actually that there is Sani Sabik, that there is Amarrians still who believes on what Amarr is. For essence of right.
And there is no fail to Val'Atioth worse then it's own facts and now the shame and cowardice it spreads.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Tenebrion Darkness
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Posted - 2007.06.28 20:00:00 -
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I am loyal to my blood and as such the Empire. I may not agree with everything it does and says (or doesn't say) but that doesn't mean I will turn my back on it (yet).
Also, I have no shame upon my psyche/soul because of an incident I had no part in, if I did at one time, than I shed it when I became a capsuleer pilot. The Empire itself may feel shame in its inadequacies but those are not mine.
You came here professing the need for True Amarrians to cleanse themselves. For those of us who already gave up these things long ago your call has no meaning or real purpose. You call this cowardice, however I say I'm walking the path you yourself teach. As stated by one of your followers (Casserina), "The primary purpose of the Sani Sabik is to achieve ascendancy to godhood.
There is the Divine Condition, where a Sani Sabik, strips the last of his humanity away and achieves the mantle of godhood."
By your own teachings capsuleer pilots should let go of the emotions that tether them to their humanity, thus ascending to something greater. Yet here we have to saying that we must not forget them and even use them to further a goal. This flip-floping is one of the reasons I do not take you as seriously anymore.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.28 21:21:00 -
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Originally by: Tenebrion Darkness Edited by: Tenebrion Darkness on 28/06/2007 20:13:21 I am loyal to my blood and as such the Empire. I may not agree with everything it does and says (or doesn't say) but that doesn't mean I will turn my back on it (yet).
Also, I have no shame upon my psyche/soul because of an incident I had no part in, if I did at one time, than I shed it when I became a capsuleer pilot. The Empire itself may feel shame in its inadequacies but those are not mine.
You came here professing the need for True Amarrians to cleanse themselves. For those of us who already gave up these things long ago your call has no meaning or real purpose. You call this cowardice, however I say I'm walking the path you yourself teach. As stated by one of your followers (Casserina), "The primary purpose of the Sani Sabik is to achieve ascendancy to godhood.
There is the Divine Condition, where a Sani Sabik, strips the last of his humanity away and achieves the mantle of godhood."
By your own teachings capsuleer pilots should let go of the emotions that tether them to their humanity, thus ascending to something greater. Yet here we have you saying that we must not forget them and even use them to further a goal. This flip-floping, or double speak as it were, is one of the reasons I do not take you as seriously anymore.
edit: spelling
At the end of all , You just staes what it is to be a Sani Sabik We we all achive this way, the path of Godhood is the next step of evolution. Now, pay attention to this: each individual will achieve this condition by it's own means. I have my path, I know what I need. The Illuminati has her path, she knows what she needs. This is called Individuality. The Sani Sabik faith is what unite us. Val'Atioth is a colective healing for the psique of history and race. You are mixing subjects for the purpose of denying a faith you embrace.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.29 02:26:00 -
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Quote: My point had nothing to do with written record. Rather, to imply that Imperial censors will re-write history according to the lack of events in order the stain of shame upon every Amarrian soul.
The Empire has always acknowledged what happend as evidenced by the fact you know what happend. Were it to be censored the defeat would never have become public.
As for your point having "nothing to do with written records" a little thing known as reality has never affected anything you've done in the past.
At least you're consistant.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG |
Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.29 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Quote: My point had nothing to do with written record. Rather, to imply that Imperial censors will re-write history according to the lack of events in order the stain of shame upon every Amarrian soul.
The Empire has always acknowledged what happend as evidenced by the fact you know what happend. Were it to be censored the defeat would never have become public.
As for your point having "nothing to do with written records" a little thing known as reality has never affected anything you've done in the past.
At least you're consistant.
So for you have done nothing to dissuade me that people of the Empire are one giant sheep herd.
You accept defeat from an enemy. Acknowledge that the enemy is superior in every aspect.
Most Amarr fear the Jove, more than the Theology Council.
So to prove that you are not you take your angst out Minmatar whom you consider to be fodder for your slave camps. And still you can not get that right since they are quite capable of matching anything the Empire throws out at them.
A victory against the Jove is what is necessary to show New Eden that the Amarr people are force to be reckoned with.
I would like to turn this discussion to some more constructive like how we defeat the Jove.
Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminatus From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.29 03:55:00 -
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Quote: So for you have done nothing to dissuade me that people of the Empire are one giant sheep herd.
You accept defeat from an enemy. Acknowledge that the enemy is superior in every aspect.
Faith in the true God of Amarr hardly makes us sheep. Then again God is like a sheperd to us all and we are His flock so perhaps that is a correct analogy. I am not ashamed of my role as a servant of God nor is anyone I know. We serve the greater good not ourselves.
As for accepting defeat we can not change history for it has already been written. It is incorrect however to assume we accept the enemy is in any way superior to ourselves for clearly they are not. One small battle against a pittance of an Amarrian fleet does not make victory in a war and as you'll recall the Jovians didn't pursue their sin against the Amarr past that one battle.
The Jovians have paid the price for their sin already as they are infected with the Jovian Disease. God sees all that has happend and that will happen and thus centuries before the defeat He saw the sin of the Jovians and infected them in this manner even before that fateful battle occured. Such is His foresight and wisdom.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP'S BLOG |
Lucius Cornelius
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Posted - 2007.06.29 09:11:00 -
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They say that every journey begins with the first step.
You've had 2+ weeks now to take that step towards Atioth. Don't you think it's about time you get going?
Otherwise, people may start to think that you'll go no further than IGS.
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Revan Neferis
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.29 09:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lucius Cornelius They say that every journey begins with the first step.
You've had 2+ weeks now to take that step towards Atioth. Don't you think it's about time you get going?
Otherwise, people may start to think that you'll go no further than IGS.
If you have been part of the internal channel where operations are set, you would spare yourself of showing ignorance here.
"One must still have chaos in oneself to give birth to a dancing Star"
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Kallanagh Tellen
Amarr Epitoth Fleetyards Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.06.29 09:54:00 -
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What, no victory yet? Methinks much postulating is afoot *grins*
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.29 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
Faith in the true God of Amarr hardly makes us sheep. Then again God is like a sheperd to us all and we are His flock so perhaps that is a correct analogy. I am not ashamed of my role as a servant of God nor is anyone I know. We serve the greater good not ourselves.
As for accepting defeat we can not change history for it has already been written. It is incorrect however to assume we accept the enemy is in any way superior to ourselves for clearly they are not. One small battle against a pittance of an Amarrian fleet does not make victory in a war and as you'll recall the Jovians didn't pursue their sin against the Amarr past that one battle.
The Jovians have paid the price for their sin already as they are infected with the Jovian Disease. God sees all that has happend and that will happen and thus centuries before the defeat He saw the sin of the Jovians and infected them in this manner even before that fateful battle occured. Such is His foresight and wisdom.
Archbishop
Tell me was your god there for the Amarr when they were easily defeated by the Jove? The combined crews of over 200 vessels a sacrifice to the Emperor. Followed by the heretical trials upon the dependants and relatives of those who died at Val'Atioth to pay for your dead god's abandonment?
The Sovereign seeks to demonstrate that it is the Sani Sabik that will be victorious (since the Empire is full of sheep ready for their own slaughter). Many Jove will die, and much knowledge that they are unwilling to give up will be gained.
Val'Atioth is more than a symbol of the shame of the Amarr people. It can be a symbol of hope as the Sani Sabik will find new ways to bring the Amarr people back on their course with destiny as the true sovereigns of the galaxy.
Your Dead Faith has shown nothing in this regards except you like fight lesser lifeforms just to prove that you can.
Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminatus From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Raane Thyandar
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.06.29 20:08:00 -
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Is there really a need to rehash this. It is my belief that God taught us a lesson at Vak' Atioth: A defeat like the fire which would temper steel. Who am i to question the wrath of god, i'm a mere human, who am i to question the intentions of the almighty. If God had wished us to succeed on that day we would have.
Once again - the terrorist organisations arrayed against us are more of a threat to the empire now than the Jove are now. I hear no threats coming from Jove, i've never seen a Jovian vessel let alone been fired upon by one, these and more we have from the matari terrorists. You insist on calling them apes, this does them a disservice, they are misguided and lesser but i can respect their passion and their fighting prowess, if they didn't have these; they would not be the threat they are and we might have the same liberty you do to chase whatever whimsical fancy the month brings you.
You will not fight the Jove because they won't be there and will not turn up for you. If they do, do you have a force assembled to rival the amarrian task force which fought at Vak'Atioth? What card do you hold up your sleeves which makes you believe you will be assured victory? Oh, sorry i forgot we don't have access to your classified intel channels and that would be telling.
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Casserina Leshrac
Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik
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Posted - 2007.06.29 23:04:00 -
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Edited by: Casserina Leshrac on 29/06/2007 23:03:18
Originally by: Raane Thyandar Is there really a need to rehash this. It is my belief that God taught us a lesson at Vak' Atioth: A defeat like the fire which would temper steel. Who am i to question the wrath of god, i'm a mere human, who am i to question the intentions of the almighty. If God had wished us to succeed on that day we would have.
Tempered steel? Perhaps you haven't been around the empire lately it look more like. The decay has turned it all to dust.
Originally by: Raane Thyandar Once again - the terrorist organisations arrayed against us are more of a threat to the empire now than the Jove are now. I hear no threats coming from Jove, i've never seen a Jovian vessel let alone been fired upon by one, these and more we have from the matari terrorists. You insist on calling them apes, this does them a disservice, they are misguided and lesser but i can respect their passion and their fighting prowess, if they didn't have these; they would not be the threat they are and we might have the same liberty you do to chase whatever whimsical fancy the month brings you.
And you call yourself an Amarr? Respect for apes are you mad? I guarantee you a force that defeats the Jove, will have very little to fear from the terrorists.
Originally by: Raane Thyandar You will not fight the Jove because they won't be there and will not turn up for you. If they do, do you have a force assembled to rival the amarrian task force which fought at Vak'Atioth? What card do you hold up your sleeves which makes you believe you will be assured victory? Oh, sorry i forgot we don't have access to your classified intel channels and that would be telling.
And there is a good reason for that. History recounts how the Empire, arrogant with pride, broadcasted their intentions to the Jove allowing them to prepare for the upcoming battle. This time they won't have that opportunity. If you want to know what the plans for Val'Atioth I suggest you stop complaining and join the operation as this the true duty of every Amarr.
Casserina Sani Sabik Illuminatus From the Darkness I sow the seeds of Chaos. |
Libi Sax
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Posted - 2007.06.29 23:23:00 -
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Edited by: Libi Sax on 29/06/2007 23:22:24 ((alt post >.<))
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