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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:52:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97 I consider my time to be utterly worthless and as such any mining I partake of IS free. "oh oh oh! you could be doing missions or ratting! see, it's not free!" I do neither of those so how does that apply in relation to me?
Who put a value on YOUR time? I find that utterly saddening, the control others must have over you or your need to constantly gain wealth. Do you sit there thinking "****! i'm not making any money, i'm going to lose!" when you're offline?
lol
remember those 6 hours you just slept cost you
7.52m a hour!!! NO SLEEPING MORE WORK!!! send me ISK :p
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.18 11:57:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97 I consider my time to be utterly worthless and as such any mining I partake of IS free.
Can I have your ore^H^H^H^H stuff then ? You said it yourself, it's worthless. _ New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Nesa
Antares Fleet Yards SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.18 18:40:00 -
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Regardless of how you obtain something, it's worth exactly what someone will pay for it ;)
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:12:00 -
[94]
Thanks to Rev 2.0 and the new LP-shop, we have a new breed of morons. The ones that think that...
All LPs are free, because you get them yourself anyway.
Freaking priceless. _ New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Laissezfaire
Minmatar Grettistak
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:20:00 -
[95]
Opportunity cost is hard for the average person to understand.
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Frecator Dementa
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:38:00 -
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1 LP = 1000 ISK. period! people that sell 5k LP + 5 mil isk implants for 7 mil are just stupid
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:42:00 -
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as some people said just take advantage of it - the ones that do are actually happy about this
if someone plays this game for fun and not the maximum isk they can get - then they can sell all their minerals for 0.01 per unit and at the end of the day they are happy
if you are having trouble selling your stuff because of it - the only real reason to be mad about it - then you should move on to another profession ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:52:00 -
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Problem is, there's enough of them. Too many of them, for their own good. I even suspect pharming is afoot. Then resellers chime in, moderating the price a bit, but not enough... the supply of ubercheap stuff overweighs the demand, and even the resellers resell it "slightly underpriced" to compete with the rest.
As long as the world is full of stupid people, nobody's better off, not even the resellers. If at least you can educate the "unwashed masses", everybody'll be a bit better off. _ New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Saint Lazarus
C R Y O FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 23:56:00 -
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Originally by: Frug I have quit a corp over the fact that some of the main members couldn't understand that mining minerals to produce ships from a 0 ME BPO, with low industry skills, was stupid and not at all free... Not to mention wasting isk...
I feel your pain.
Oh God I know what you mean, I think its a diease going around people think they if they mine the minerals of their ship its free....
Its so unbelievably dumb =/
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:01:00 -
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The disease is called stupidity, and school was the only known remedy, if applied soon enough. Sadly, most people are beyond help, and there's not much we can do for them. *tear* _ New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
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SiJira
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Posted - 2007.06.22 00:36:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Problem is, there's enough of them. Too many of them, for their own good. I even suspect pharming is afoot. Then resellers chime in, moderating the price a bit, but not enough... the supply of ubercheap stuff overweighs the demand, and even the resellers resell it "slightly underpriced" to compete with the rest.
As long as the world is full of stupid people, nobody's better off, not even the resellers. If at least you can educate the "unwashed masses", everybody'll be a bit better off.
you cant tell people how to play
what if their target is to get people like you angry and to even cause resellers to make less profit? seems the masses of them have achieved it ____ __ ________ _sig below_ the jet cans are made so that people that dont mine can get free ore
miners ritually donate the ore to anyone wishing to take some |
Illsauros
Harbingers of Sarrow
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Posted - 2007.06.22 01:16:00 -
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This argument is only true if you believe that the goal MUST be maximum isk/hour. For many people the goal is maximum fun/hour. For people like that, pretending to be an industrialist who does his own mining is more fun/hour than pretending to be just a miner.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.22 01:19:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2007 01:19:39
SiJira, Illsauros : I have yet to meet ANY persons with this attitude that are NOT trying to get the maximum ISK/hour out of what they do.
Bottom line, not evil, not shrewd, just plain ole' wrong and/or stupid. _ New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.22 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Jennai
undervalue selling isn't nearly as much of a problem in loot sales as it is with T1 production. loot sellers aren't churning out dozens of the same item per day, and they generally aren't obsessive about babysitting their orders and undercutting everyone else like the small T1 builders.
if you put a decent loot item up at a low price, some guy will be like "damn that's a great deal" and buy it right away. but if you put a pile of built T1 modules up at a low price, five guys will be like "damn he undercut me I CANNOT ALLOW THIS" and the market goes to hell until some producers leave and demand exceeds supply, or someone with a lot of money gets sick of it and buys everything to reset the price.
Bearing in mind just how many people farm missions, whos to say its not a major cause? All modules an ammo are got through missions- if enough CNR-flying mission *****s sell their loot undervalue, thats a market crasher.
And yet none of them are stupid- they're all doing like I did, and maximising their isk an hour through underselling... --------
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Mithrantir Ob'lontra
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.06.22 01:32:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2007 01:19:39
SiJira, Illsauros : I have yet to meet ANY persons with this attitude that are NOT trying to get the maximum ISK/hour out of what they do.
Bottom line, not evil, not shrewd, just plain ole' wrong and/or stupid.
Hello there i do that. Not to try to get max ISK/Hour of what i do. Because i am here to do it my way to have fun. I am here for the fun and efficiency is a factor for when it matters (that is PvP). I am not an industrialist and i am not someone who will go and produce something and sell it for almost nothing on the other hand. But i may produce something i want with my crappy industrial skills and my gained resources, because i like to do it even if it is not so cost efficient.
But on the other had you swear too much and blatantly put insulting characterizations on people. I would suggest you step away from the pc realize this is a GAME and anyone is entitled to play it as he sees fit. No one needs you to swear at them and frankly your attitude is crossing boundaries from a civilized discussion to a crazy man rants.
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Tellenta
Gallente White-Noise Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.22 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T I am sick and tired of the utter stupidity of this argument. Can we please just destroy this flawed meme for good ?
No, it's not FREE. You spent TIME getting it, time you could have spent getting ISK in any other number of ways. You could sell it to somebody else, so it even has a clear value you can't deny.
It's only free if you suddendly find it in your hangar and you did absolutely nothing to get it there.
didnt read any of the replies... but this is what you're talking about
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2007.06.22 01:42:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 22/06/2007 01:41:24
Originally by: Mithrantir Ob'lontra Hello there i do that. Not to try to get max ISK/Hour of what i do. Because i am here to do it my way to have fun.
You misread.
I said people that DO say "stuff they mine is free" that I've personally met ARE ALL trying to get the most ISK/hour out of it. And when I point out the fact they are NOT, they refuse to believe it. And for that, I have all the right to call them morons. Because they ARE.
Now, would they NOT want to get the most ISK out of it, would it be "just a game" for them and not care much wether they make 5 mil or 10 mil out of any individual trade. But most of them ARE aware of the fact they are NOT making the money they could make. It's their right to play the game that way. And I wouldn't be calling THEM stupid. Maybe idealists, maybe naive, certainly not stupid. _ New char creation guide | Module/Rig stacknerfing explained |
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