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Disco Flint
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.06.26 07:43:00 -
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Buying ISK, through whatever means, is nothing else but cheating. You gain yourself an unfair advantage through means that don't involve EVE, but rather your real life wallet, your job, your wealth.
Think of it as buying 100 extra health in Quake or UT during a multiplayer match. Because you spend so much time for your job and your family and your crying kids you don't have as much time playing and training and as such should have a possibility to compensate. Or whatever. People who buy ISK have a much easier time facing the consequences of losing a ship, they don't have to grind their money back or try to survive to make more booty with their current ship. Or big investments, like a battleship BPO, maybe a T2 BPO, a POS, a Dread or Carrier, things that would usually require either a seasoned player with a lot of grinding or a group of people, are suddenly in reach of those who demand instant gratification.
You lose your precious carrier in a war? Big blow for your corp, people are thinking about leaving and more pirates drool into your lowsec systems? No worries, here's the CC, help is but a transaction away!
No, it should never work like this, in any game. Whether EVE is a harsh and unfair game with sometimes unfair advantages and disadvantages - it's the game. Had I started earlier / picked another race / had known earlier about money making plexes I could have enjoyed the same advantages. But out of game money and assets should never influence the game in any damn way.
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2007.06.26 08:46:00 -
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1) I am NOT an ebayer.
2) I do buy isk occasionally as my play time is limited, but as people have said why should out of game advantages like being able to play more than someone else give you an in game advantage
3) Originally by: Lucifer MorningStar 1) They need to make trial accounts have some way of registring with ccp before they are allowed to log on , currantly anyone can make a trial account and have a un-registed alt in minutes , by making them have a credit card a requiment it will cut out a vast propotion of these isk selling alts since they not going to be pulling hundreds of diffrant credit cards out to create alts
Yet another great way to stop new players getting into the game because your trying to hurt isk farmers...
4) Originally by: voogru Blatantly allowing ISK would drive the price of ingame items to astronomical levels. Because the market will be flooded with ISK and ISK will be cheap to get, and people will want more ISK for everything so they have more ISK to sell.
How would allowing players who already have isk to sell that isk to other player create inflation, there would be no more isk in the system, therefore there would be no inflation caused
5) If the noob corp channel and evemail spam is as bad as all that then ccp should set up a system to flag up any posible isk selling posts for gm attention, maybe set one of the forum mods on it they seem to be very good at *****ing down on stuff on the forums...
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The Snowman
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.06.26 10:11:00 -
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I cant make enough ISK to try PvP, much as I would love to!
I cant go into low sec due to pirates, I cant go to 0.0 due to gate camps and even better pvp'ers. 0.0 corps wont let me in (and no, I dont want to join that goony corp).. If it wasnt for the fact that buying ISK is not alowed, so damn controversial and the fact that I cant afford it, then I definatly WOULD buy ISK!
CCP Should consider selling ISK themselves, legally. It would stop the black-market, gain extra income and let those who want to play the game as they want to.
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Ivan Kirilenkov
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.26 10:35:00 -
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Just to reiterate; if you see anyone advertising isk-selling for real money; please do not hestitate to petition it to the GMs if it's in-game, or email us about it if it's on the forums, and it will be dealt with.
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Khonsu
Rest home for Tired Seadogs
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Posted - 2007.06.26 10:39:00 -
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Originally by: Primnproper How would allowing players who already have isk to sell that isk to other player create inflation, there would be no more isk in the system, therefore there would be no inflation caused
Just wanted to comment on this one. The fact that people are willing to pay for ISK creates a market (obviously). The presence of this market makes the producers of ISK go out and produce ISK to fill the demand - more ISK than they would normally produce. In other words, an ISK market leads to more ISK being in-game than if ISK selling didn't exist. We already see this, it's not like the ISK farmers would go and farm the same amount of ISK if they didn't get paid for it.
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Primnproper
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Posted - 2007.06.26 10:46:00 -
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Edited by: Primnproper on 26/06/2007 10:47:09
Originally by: Khonsu
Originally by: Primnproper How would allowing players who already have isk to sell that isk to other player create inflation, there would be no more isk in the system, therefore there would be no inflation caused
Just wanted to comment on this one. The fact that people are willing to pay for ISK creates a market (obviously). The presence of this market makes the producers of ISK go out and produce ISK to fill the demand - more ISK than they would normally produce. In other words, an ISK market leads to more ISK being in-game than if ISK selling didn't exist. We already see this, it's not like the ISK farmers would go and farm the same amount of ISK if they didn't get paid for it.
Thats a fair point to be honest, but as the only legit way to trade isk is via gtc's the market pressure caused by legal trades is fairly small (unless you have a million accounts or anything)
Originally by: "The Snowman" I cant make enough ISK to try PvP, much as I would love to!
I cant go into low sec due to pirates, I cant go to 0.0 due to gate camps and even better pvp'ers. 0.0 corps wont let me in (and no, I dont want to join that goony corp).. If it wasnt for the fact that buying ISK is not alowed, so damn controversial and the fact that I cant afford it, then I definatly WOULD buy ISK!
CCP Should consider selling ISK themselves, legally. It would stop the black-market, gain extra income and let those who want to play the game as they want to.
Surely you can afford a t1 frig with guns, a rep, web and scram.. and if not evemail me and i'll send you a mil.... |
Sinnead Bachmann
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Posted - 2007.06.26 11:04:00 -
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Originally by: voogru You can however, activly hunt people that do it and punish them, which would serve as a deterrent.
Since that has worked so well in the real world
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Juni Starfire
Australia and New Zealand Eve Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.26 11:44:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger Stop ISK buyers, problem solved.
Pure genius...
I mean that strategy has worked so well in the so called "war on drugs" in RL, how can it possibly fail here.....
ISK trading, just like currency trading in all MMO's is a problem of poor design. The people that had the skill and intelligence to create these universes have the skill and intelligence to secure them. The only thing missing is the will.
This old chestnut has been around since like before Ultima Online and still you hear these noobish arguments that its somehow the fault of the sellers.... who are just pure opportunists exploiting poor design or the buyers who are just pure opportunists exploiting poor design and disposable RL income.
Get a clue FFS people.... ++-------------------------------------++ IM A UBER PRO PWNER TRAPPED IN THE BODY OF A NOOB |
Malcanis
High4Life Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.26 12:02:00 -
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Originally by: Lisento Slaven I'll let CCP deal with it. Or you can just go on a manhunt and do whatever it is you can do to people who buy isk with real life money.
I'd rather see them put Space Whales into the game (see link in sig) than have everyone work on some way to monitor people in RL just to make sure they aren't giving RL money for that trade transaction.
SPACE WHALES NOW!
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Khonsu
Rest home for Tired Seadogs
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Posted - 2007.06.26 12:15:00 -
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Make all items and ISK Soulbound!
Problem solved!
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MotherMoon
Minmatar Huang Yinglong Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.06.26 15:23:00 -
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Originally by: Khonsu Make all items and ISK Soulbound!
Problem solved!
Sandbox Your asking for a fix but a hurtful one that makes that sandbox wet and clumpy
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.26 15:30:00 -
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Spamming is the abuse of electronic messaging systems to indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages. The costs, such as lost productivity and fraud, are borne by the public and ccp. which have been forced to add extra capacity to cope with the deluge. UK laws against spam http://www.helium.com/tm/334290/spamming-effect-recently-though Spam Laws USA http://www.spamlaws.com/state/index.shtml
There are other ways to stop spammers this is to report them to the internet provider they use ! You as a paying subscriber has the right to ask that CCP takes some form of stand now on stopping this! After all you are the true paying customer not the ISK seller in this case!
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.26 15:50:00 -
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Originally by: The Snowman I cant make enough ISK to try PvP, much as I would love to!
I cant go into low sec due to pirates, I cant go to 0.0 due to gate camps and even better pvp'ers. 0.0 corps wont let me in (and no, I dont want to join that goony corp).. If it wasnt for the fact that buying ISK is not alowed, so damn controversial and the fact that I cant afford it, then I definatly WOULD buy ISK!
CCP Should consider selling ISK themselves, legally. It would stop the black-market, gain extra income and let those who want to play the game as they want to.
If ISK selling became the norm, you wouldnt be able to make as much ISK to try to PVP anyway.
Oh, unless you bought ISK.
The chinese server is a prime example of this, you either buy ISK from the farmer alliances, or you quit because you can't buy anything.
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Hilabana
Minmatar Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2007.06.26 15:59:00 -
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Edited by: Hilabana on 26/06/2007 15:59:36
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: The Snowman I cant make enough ISK to try PvP, much as I would love to!
I cant go into low sec due to pirates, I cant go to 0.0 due to gate camps and even better pvp'ers. 0.0 corps wont let me in (and no, I dont want to join that goony corp).. If it wasnt for the fact that buying ISK is not alowed, so damn controversial and the fact that I cant afford it, then I definatly WOULD buy ISK!
CCP Should consider selling ISK themselves, legally. It would stop the black-market, gain extra income and let those who want to play the game as they want to.
If ISK selling became the norm, you wouldnt be able to make as much ISK to try to PVP anyway. .
And when all the players stop playing eve do to all the spammers and there are just ISK spammers left in the game they can buy and sell ISK from each other!
What a Idiot thing for some one to say !
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Nanobotter Mk2
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Posted - 2007.06.26 18:06:00 -
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Lets say they start the price at $20 for 1 billion ISK.
Quote: People able to buy 1 billion ISK for 20 bucks = buy lots of stuff. Demand for products increases with ISK all over the place = Prices increase.
Price increases, people buy more ISK, demand for products increases.
Process repeats itself over and over, while ISK sellers would undercut CCP, CCP would need to undercut them back. ISK would become cheaper and cheaper to obtain and items would become more and more expensive ISK wise. Making it bloody impossible to play the game without spending real money to buy ISK.
It is a nice theory you have but you forgot 1 thing, ISK is already being sold (macro miners and ratters been doing it for not months but YEARS), and CCP infact encourages it provided you use their gtc as the means of purchase. So if we want to beleive your idea isk selling would destroy the economy does it matter since the economy is already destroyed according to you.
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Lord Carthage
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Posted - 2007.11.18 21:21:00 -
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Heres how I look at it.
GTC for ISK is OK, CCP still their money and the GTC seller gets their ISK and the buy gets to play a bit longer. This is OK with me.
ISK Seller offering service to the populous to get them to buy isk for $$$. And with everyones annoyance in the channels we have the adverts that come up from characters from trial accounts. In my eyes (and probably to many of you) this is a form of "cheating". For those people who fall into the gaze of the ISK seller and buys ISK deserves everything they get.
Final Analysis: Trial accounts should have restricted access to chat channels (like with restricted access to skills) until they start paying a subscription or use timecards. This should get rid of most of the ISK sellers advertising we find on the trade and eve radio channels. ISK sellers really bug me big time.
Sorry if this seems like a rant against ISK sellers.
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Tivookz
Caldari The Singularity Amalgamation Pure.
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Posted - 2007.11.18 21:43:00 -
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The solution is simple.
Don't by isk for real life money EVER and they will go away automatically.
The problem lies with us gentlemen.
Tiv
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syphurous
Gallente Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2007.11.18 22:58:00 -
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The solution is simple, stop necroing threads.
Can a mod lock this please ? ___
All Ur Salvage R Belong 2 Me ! |
Malcanis
High4Life SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.11.18 23:02:00 -
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Originally by: Estel Arador So you want to punish everyone with a trial account for the wrong-doings of some? And what's wrong with a GM having to ban an isk seller? Stopping him from talking in certain channels won't stop him advertising for iskselling, so a GM will have to deal with it anyway.
What's the punishment? Just give us the option to auto-ignore trial accounts not in our addressbook.
CONCORD provide consequences, not safety; only you can do that. |
Eulalinda
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.18 23:51:00 -
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Good point. I'm tired of all the spam too. In Jita I get around 5-15 spam per week.
Why can't CCP just block all emails with the URL of the spammers?? Seems easy enough.
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Drone Whisperer
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Posted - 2007.11.19 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Zeonos simple. trails cant, send mail, invite people to chats, join any chat besides help and local. and give paying players an other to "Ignore trail accounts" maybe make a list so you can allow trails to talk to you.
I like the "Ignore Trial Accounts" option :)
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Tarminic
Forsaken Resistance
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Posted - 2007.11.19 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Eulalinda Good point. I'm tired of all the spam too. In Jita I get around 5-15 spam per week.
Why can't CCP just block all emails with the URL of the spammers?? Seems easy enough.
You would think so, but it's harder than it seems. For example, they could use variations of the standard URL to try and fool filters: goldsellers.com www.GOLDsellers.com WWW GOLD SELLERS DOT COM www. go0ldse3lle3rs.com and remove the numbers
It's actually very hard for filters to catch all the conceptual ways to convey the fact that you can purchase ISK at some web site, sadly. ---------------- Tarminic - 29 Million SP in pink Forum Warfare |
Saprob
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Posted - 2007.11.21 21:56:00 -
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Despite all the clever posts that claim just do this or that and whamo problem solved there is no simple solution. When there is money to be made human creativity will find a way to make it. However I think I nice step in the right direction may be to have a crime stoppers type program setup. You give information that results in the "apprehension" of an ISK buyer or seller you get a cut of the confiscated ISK. May be half baked but I think it could work. You might even be able to setup some kind of volunteer program to reduce the load on the GM's.
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Illyrinia
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.11.21 22:02:00 -
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Originally by: Shameless Avenger Stop ISK buyers, problem solved.
wont happen. what needs to be done is a asian server and a european server (that the us connects to) this would split the 2 cultures- asian countries are the major supplier of RMT (real money trading). Limiting the ability for these countries to connect to the major population (europe/us and most major english countries) im not sure how many players from asia play.
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