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Serotta Ortot
Last Man Mining
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:27:00 -
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Doesn't this 24hr patch day just suck...anyway
I'm buying a new pc and have a video card question..
AMD 5500 64bit 2gb RAM 200gb HDD 2 x 19" widescreen LCD's etc etc etc..
Now...to run 2 EVE clients windowed on Vista Home..
nVidia 8600GT - 256mb PCI-e or nVidia 7900GS - 256mb PCI-e
...can probably get a 7900 512mb for a little more $..is the 8600GT really much better for EVE?
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Vyyrus
Sparta Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 07:52:00 -
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That question is answered rather easily. Would you rather see the direct x 10 extras or not when Rev 3 comes out? If so the 8600 would be the best choice.
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LiLMissy
Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:17:00 -
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Well now - with 8600 - there is no way to see DX 10 goodies with decent frames.
Reason is simple - its a low end budget GFX card, theres no way around it.
8800 GTX - cant work properly with DX10 tests, let alone 8600 . Not to mention that only Vista supports DX-10 and Nvidia has completley sh*ty Vista drivers. Also - you will need 4 Gb or RAM for DX 10 games, because Vista eas up around 1 Gb on a good day.
Either buy 7900 GS and enjoy DX9 and change GFX in upcoming 6 to 8 months or buy 8800 GT with 640 MB of RAM and change withing a year.
Oh and 2x EVE on 2 seprate monitors - doesnt work all that well. On 7800 GTX - works horrible on second mon. And EVE is CPU driven, so you would think that C2D 6400 OC to 3200 Mhz would work ....
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K'thang
Gallente Ferengi Trade Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:38:00 -
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None of the above. Most bang-for-buck is the 8800 GTS 320mb cards, and they are fast enough too. Not so expensive really. The gain from the 640mb cards is so small it ain't worth it. Asus GeForce 8800 GTS 320 MB is a good card, for example. |
Decimo
Amarr Death's Legion Academy
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Posted - 2007.06.19 08:46:00 -
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I would definitely not buy the 8600, it's basically equivalent to a 7900 just with the DX10 bells and whistles, which it won't run very well anyway. I'd say save your money and get a 8800GTX and be happy for a few years.
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LiLMissy
Caldari Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:10:00 -
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Reason I sugested 8800 GTS 640 Mb - is because high res needs lot of video ram. More so if he intends to play 2 clients on 2 monitors.
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Elliot
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:38:00 -
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Im gonna thorow my 2 isk in against all these Nvidia fan boi's and say wait to get yer hands on a radeon 2600 XT when they become avalible. about par with the 8600 (by all accounts naturally that will have to be tested. but check hwbot.org) and will no doubt cost less.
though again (as a comparison) Id take the HD 2900 over the GF 8800 GTX atm. From what ive been able to gather its only marginally less performance in some areas, better in others but damn near 1/2 the price.
Basing this on uk figgures btw for costs
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SirMolly
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Posted - 2007.06.19 09:57:00 -
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radeon 2900xt sucks. Get a geforce 8800gts 640.
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Something Random
Gallente F.S.O.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:04:00 -
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I love the way everyone points you to the no brain top of the range cards. Of course theyre gonna be better but i presume your on a budget.
Anyway, just to report on the 8600 gt for you. Sweet little card as i just got one, im also a 7900GT owner (it died and needs RMA) and the comparison between the 2 in gameplaying terms is very little difference - especially for eve.
I run 2 clients on one screen flicking between the 2 so i cant comment on your plan for 2 monitors although id doubt there'd be many problems windowing the clients and spanning the desktop.
My computer is home built core 2 duo E6700 with 2 Gb RAM @ 800Mhz the usual sata drives etc.
sweet machine.
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Elliot
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Posted - 2007.06.19 10:52:00 -
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Originally by: Something Random I love the way everyone points you to the no brain top of the range cards. Of course theyre gonna be better but i presume your on a budget.
Anyway, just to report on the 8600 gt for you. Sweet little card as i just got one, im also a 7900GT owner (it died and needs RMA) and the comparison between the 2 in gameplaying terms is very little difference - especially for eve.
I run 2 clients on one screen flicking between the 2 so i cant comment on your plan for 2 monitors although id doubt there'd be many problems windowing the clients and spanning the desktop.
My computer is home built core 2 duo E6700 with 2 Gb RAM @ 800Mhz the usual sata drives etc.
sweet machine.
I automatically go for the best because when i fork out ú300 for a card i want a few years out of it! Im not gonna spend less and upgrade more often. Currently Im going to replace the X850XT PE im using with a HD2900XT. Ive ran my current card for.. bout 2 years? spend ú250 on it. my "Lan" pc at the same time got a 9550 and has had to be upgraded twice in that time to keep a "Decent" pace
Originally by: SirMolly radeon 2900xt sucks. Get a geforce 8800gts 640.
Show me numbers and bench marks to prove that. Otherwise shush :P
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Ker Ching
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:01:00 -
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I have 2 x 7600 GTs. You can pick the up dirt cheap on Ebay, and will running along side my AMD 64x2 4800+ will happily run 2 clients in widowed mode on 2x19" monitors.
I'd stay away from DX10 cards for now. Drivers are lame, costs are high, requirements are pretty much nil. By the time there's software out there that needs a DX10 card, they'll be a hell of alot cheaper.
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Ker Ching
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:10:00 -
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Originally by: Elliot
Originally by: SirMolly radeon 2900xt sucks. Get a geforce 8800gts 640.
Show me numbers and bench marks to prove that. Otherwise shush :P
Pick up the July 2007/Issue 202 of PCFormat in the UK. There's a full review (Radeon HD2900XT), with numbers, which I'll skim over for you now and and list the major points:-
1. Too little, too late 2. Doesn't make a bid for the 8800GTX at all 3. Unexciting performance 4. Don't bother
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synK
Caldari Bugsy's
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:38:00 -
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Originally by: LiLMissy Well now - with 8600 - there is no way to see DX 10 goodies with decent frames.
Reason is simple - its a low end budget GFX card, theres no way around it.
8800 GTX - cant work properly with DX10 tests, let alone 8600 . Not to mention that only Vista supports DX-10 and Nvidia has completley sh*ty Vista drivers. Also - you will need 4 Gb or RAM for DX 10 games, because Vista eas up around 1 Gb on a good day.
Either buy 7900 GS and enjoy DX9 and change GFX in upcoming 6 to 8 months or buy 8800 GT with 640 MB of RAM and change withing a year.
Oh and 2x EVE on 2 seprate monitors - doesnt work all that well. On 7800 GTX - works horrible on second mon. And EVE is CPU driven, so you would think that C2D 6400 OC to 3200 Mhz would work ....
what?! lol, i use my 8800 with the DX10 games that are out now, plus, if u want to c DX10 the ONLY cards are the 8800, and the new ATI. 4gb of ram for a game? get real, crysis only needs 2gb, and lets be fair,that looks nicer than eve. and the vista drivers are fine. no problams here. and yes, im using vista.
i dont think you really know what your talking about, i use 2 monitors and can run 2 clients and 40fps EACH. so, get yer facts straight. this is my sig |
Serotta Ortot
Last Man Mining
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Posted - 2007.06.19 11:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ker Ching I have 2 x 7600 GTs. You can pick the up dirt cheap on Ebay, and will running along side my AMD 64x2 4800+ will happily run 2 clients in widowed mode on 2x19" monitors.
This is more the sort of answer I was looking for. I don't really play any other games except for EVE, so just want smooth gameplay on both monitors. I was wondering about a sli setup using two slightly cheaper cards. Should I need another 2gb of RAM, it's not that expensive, but I'm hoping 2gb is ok.
Are there any of the Radeon's I should look out for if I can't find two 7600 GT's?
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Brolly
Caldari Morphic field
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:15:00 -
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I used to have a 7900gt but it died, got a 8600 gts via the RMA and it's okay.
I mainly pay eve and have an AMD 64 3200 with win XP, 1gb ram and have had no problems with dual clients. I can't rmember trying it out out on vista, but to be honest i'm pretty sure it will do the job with your specs.
As for 8600 sucking at dx10 games, I tried that lost planet DX10 demo and noticed very little performance loss. Anyhoo's, was'nt DX10 meant to optimize performance?.
I would personally go for 8600 as then you'd have the option of shiney new gfx when rev 3 is released.
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Oblit3rat1on
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:31:00 -
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I have an old 7800 GTX, it happily runs up to 5 window'd clients (CPU is an old AMD 4000+ SD with a very mild OC). I have a Dell 2405 (24") and a 2001 (21") LCD and was able to run 2 clients perfectly with my current setup. (I also have 2GB ram)
HTH
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Cypherous
Minmatar Liberty Rogues Hammer Time.
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:33:00 -
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Originally by: LiLMissy
8800 GTX - cant work properly with DX10 tests
Nvidia's cascade demo works perfectly fine here what tests are you doing exactly? and i assume you're using Vista if you're running DX10 tests. ---------
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Thommy
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Posted - 2007.06.19 12:48:00 -
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Even an 6800GT can run 2 clients without to much hassle. I do not know the exact difference between an GT and GS card though so beware of this. Think it is safe to say either will be fine, just consider what you rather have (look at the actual uses specifications and things one has more over the other and consider if you REALLY need it).
The only thing you have to pay attention to when you play on dual screens is that you configure your eve client properly. When you have a client 1 and client 2 and say client 1 is on screen 1 and client 2 is on screen 2 you will have to take a look in the "escape" eve configuration menu. You will have the choice between 2 adapters, unfortunately it wont say which one is on which monitor so you will have try out abit on which setting you get better performance. Note that you must make sure the eve windows are not dragging over to the next screen because eve only works well on a per monitor / adapter base if configured that way (dual screens opposed to an 2x wide resolution).
When the clients are both on their own screen and are configured for the proper adapter they should work very smoothly (yes even on an outdated card like the 6800GT).
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Zenjin
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:21:00 -
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I have a 512 card! Yes way better! 256 was cool and all but when I hit the 512 hmmmmmmmm... it was like a good cheese cake with a bunch of whipped cream!
Hmmmm Cake!
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MissileRus
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Posted - 2007.06.19 13:52:00 -
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Edited by: MissileRus on 19/06/2007 13:53:15 overclocked 8800GTS 320 can be as fast as a GTX in lower res up to 1600+, 320mb model is also as good as a 640 with current games at high res with a tiny overclock. standard frequency (core and memory) for a 8800GTS 320 and 640 are 513/800 you can easely overclock to 640/1000 or higher if you keep the card cool enough for it not to declock itself (to hot and it defaults to "low 3D" mode witch has default clocks of 513/800). its basicly very friendly card to overclock! ofc a overclocked GTX would smoke it away.. but you get what you pay for
you can also wait for next gen GPUs to come, shouldnt be very long now.. i got a 8800 GTS 320 since its so cheap, and when its not good enough anymore ill either get another one for SLI or upgrade to 2nd gen or even 3rd gen if their out by that time.
edit: ill agree with the low end 8600 etc being rubish... dont toutch them unless you realy have to..
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