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Volstruis
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Posted - 2012.01.06 07:22:00 -
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@Prometheus, whilst I understand your nulsec focus, AF's are simply not used there. There are a number of low sec based AF enthusiasts who fly these ships almost exclusively. Why we love them the way we do is up to us.
Your support of these changes flys in the face of your role on the CSM. Can you honestly tell me that all of sudden people will now fly AF's when Interceptors already fulfill perfectly the role you are talking about?
What you are saying, it sounds like to me, is that for a tiny bit of flexibility on the nulsec battlefield, you are totally prepared to ignore and radically effect the only people currently using the ships? And in the process severely hamper a lifestyle choice we as capsuleers have embraced?
It makes no sense to me that you would take this line on a ship class that barely effects you and your fleets but which so massively effects the low sec pirate. |
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Posted - 2012.01.06 08:06:00 -
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My last point @Prom's post and @Marlona, exactly. A role bonus needs to be associated with a role. What you are saying is that AF's are being 'roled' to tackle bigger ships? I thought there was another class of ship designed for this.
My frustration with this thread is that nobody has said, this in a cool, interesting, unique and needed role for this class of ship. My suggestion is to work on the pack mentality idea entirely.
I'd have a Role Bonus that focuses on pack mentality. The wolf pack roam is genius and desperately needed to get new players into PVP. There are a couple of creative ways to approach this, buffs based on number of other AF's (EDIT: well frigates really) in wing or something. Put a cap on it, or something. Make each AF buff other frigates in fleet with agility, tank n gank or something.
I'm not a game designer, clearly, but I'd rather make some suggestion.
But having a CSM delegate tell me he wants another roled tackle ship and to have one of the only people in direct contact with CCP lobbying for it makes me pretty friggin angry. |
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Posted - 2012.01.06 10:11:00 -
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Edit: @Xar Yes. And thanks for having the energy to say the things I did not have the energy to say. And so eloquently! I approve.
I just hope the warranted insultery doesn't cloud the impeccable logic. |
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Posted - 2012.01.06 10:40:00 -
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My role bonus suggestion is to make them mini command ships. This does benefit everybody.
There I've said it. |
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:23:00 -
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Tomytronic wrote:Otherwise we'll just have a bunch more people calling Prom names, and that's not particularly helpful to the debate.
The reason for this is because he refuses to acknowledge the effect of this role bonus and buffs on low sec pvp and tells us we're idiots for thinking the way we are, despite the fact that many people here have flown AF's pretty much exclusively in low sec for their entire careers. He then tells us he doesn't really care since we are a vast minority and should just deal with how awesome his ideas are.
We are then told our ideas and suggestions are stupid (in a feedback thread lol).
This is hardly helpful to the debate.
What would be helpful would be listening to people who love and fly these ships day in and day out.
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:31:00 -
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Tawa Suyo wrote:My corp is well known for only flying battleships with falcon support in highsec war decs, so our testing of these ships may not be relevant to lowsec/frigate pvp.
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Volstruis
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Posted - 2012.01.06 13:50:00 -
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Tawa Suyo wrote:Volstruis wrote:Tawa Suyo wrote:My corp is well known for only flying battleships with falcon support in highsec war decs, so our testing of these ships may not be relevant to lowsec/frigate pvp. Um... lol? So, you don't get that was a joke, yet you're an expert on lowsec frigates?
No I suck at PVP and am sure I've lost a few AF's to Tusker dudes before. But at least I try hard
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Volstruis
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Posted - 2012.01.06 14:04:00 -
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Tawa Suyo wrote:Volstruis wrote:Why can't we have a role bonus that really benefits everybody? Not just makes a heavier tackle role for Nulsec PVP but actually gives the AF a proper viable role in solo and gang work. But that's what it does. It makes AFs viable both in nullsec solo as well as working well as heavy scram tackle in gang work (both in low and nullsec). The slot/fitting/bonus changes make all the AFs viable in lowsec frigate PvP too, just ignore the MWD bonus there and be happy that there's more than 3-5 AFs to choose from now.
You're probably right and I'm probably just having a bad day. Do you really think it will lead to more diversity? And not FOTM ENYO
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Volstruis
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Posted - 2012.01.06 14:17:00 -
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Ok fine I'll change my mind TM and start working on my Ishkur fitting :P
But I guess that is the point of debate after all. Innit. |
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Posted - 2012.01.10 09:49:00 -
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Tawa Suyo wrote:[quote=DARKSTAR POWNYOUALL]But please, do explain how buffing the weaker AFs to the levels of the stronger ones while leaving those that already dominate at approximately the same level of power is completely unbalancing frigate combat in general....
i don't think it will, but i doubt very much it will increase overall versatility and activity in low sec. i expect you will see fotm af's and much much more anti frigate fit bc's
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Posted - 2012.01.11 13:55:00 -
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Jaxemont wrote:How about the AFGÇÖs 4th bonus is something like GÇ£15% reduction in opponent Neut amount per levelGÇ¥? It will help in making the AF more viable against cruisers and battlecruisers because it can turn an opponentGÇÖs 2 staggered medium neuts to effectively 1 small neut. This makes them nice heavy tackle since they get into scram/neut range (something fleet inty pilots dread), but the AFs still have to worry about drones and guns due to their low speed.
It shouldnGÇÖt affect AF engagement envelope against other frigs too much (then again I donGÇÖt know how important a neut is when flying a faction frig versus an AF). The main problem would be the vengeance having the 5% capacitor recharge rate along with the anti-neut bonus. That would certainly make it OP, so maybe give it a different bonus? Perhaps to rockets?
(This bonus shouldnGÇÖt work against NOS, though. Enemy NOS does not get the 15% reduction per level.)
Just an idea on how to make AFs better versus cruisers, but still make them engageable in other frigs.
(Didn't read the whole thread, so sorry if this was already thought of or shot down.)
This can't work. Kills the Sentinel outright.
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Posted - 2012.01.11 14:22:00 -
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I have a question, and sorry for the noobness of my assertion in advance:
If you are in a nulsec fleet fight, I'm sure now you will be able to close and get a point, but you won't then instantly be 1 shot because you have settled into a tight orbit around your target? EDIT: I mean by the other big guns on the field, like that hurricane 15 clicks away.
So really the MWD bloom bonus is only delaying 1 shot insta-death, not preventing it? |
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