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Marian Devers
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:13:00 -
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Fun Fact:
Gallente AF have the same signature on MWD as Shield Tanked Interceptors (@ Interceptor skill lvl. 4);
(30% higher at Interceptor lvl. 5; they also have between two (2) to three (3) times the DPS of a Shield Interceptor, while being 28% slower and 62% tougher - Enyo vs. Crow).
So a lvl. 1 Enyo will have a better/equal signature radius than a lvl. 4 Interceptor; |
Kai Jyokoroi
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
33
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Posted - 2012.01.24 14:46:00 -
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Sure happy to see that you dudes asked for feedback and then took no notice of anybody, as per usual! |
Charles Edisson
Aura of Darkness Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2012.01.24 18:39:00 -
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At least this Buff wasn't over the top. I think CCP are now cautios of ******* the game up even more than they have in past alterations. These test server feed back posts will be of varying help to them because the most vocal posters tend to be those that have an alterior motive to make what they can use better and those that just like to spout utter and total bollox for the sake of it. |
Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
419
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Posted - 2012.01.24 21:09:00 -
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Marian Devers wrote:Fun Fact:
Gallente AF have the same signature on MWD as Shield Tanked Interceptors (@ Interceptor skill lvl. 4);
(30% higher at Interceptor lvl. 5; they also have between two (2) to three (3) times the DPS of a Shield Interceptor, while being 28% slower and 62% tougher - Enyo vs. Crow).
So a lvl. 1 Enyo will have a better/equal signature radius than a lvl. 4 Interceptor;
Good thing it goes just as fast! CSM Candidate & PVP Samurai RE-ELECT PROM4CSM7 www.promsrage.com |
Tomytronic
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.01.25 13:13:00 -
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53 pages of feedback and exactly how much of it was incorporated into your actual final changes?
Why do you even bother putting up a feedback thread if you actively ignore it. |
Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
1039
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Posted - 2012.01.26 00:07:00 -
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I know its poor form, but "I told you so".
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://vimeo.com/user9887127 Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Ninevite
Shiva Initiative Mercenaries
18
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Posted - 2012.01.29 04:41:00 -
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these changes were dumb as **** and CCP still implemented them even after 53 pages of thread telling them not too
edit: I enjoy flying my new ishkur with an extra low slot yet no leftover cpu to fit anything and weapon systems that still suck. thanks ccp, my ass hairs could do a better job at balancing this game than you all can |
samivael
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.01.29 18:32:00 -
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Why ask for feedback if you do nothing with it? it's a good question, the same goes for the neocom.
A good example in this case: the enyo needs an extra 5 or 10 cpu to be on par with other afs. This was mentioned by numerous people before the changes went live and yet not a thing was done.
Original ideas should get refined and improved upon during testing, you are not infallible as was recently shown. Dont let the arrogance resurface after you've done so much work to rekindle faith in your vision. |
Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
419
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Posted - 2012.01.31 06:53:00 -
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samivael wrote:A good example in this case: the enyo needs an extra 5 or 10 cpu to be on par with other afs. This was mentioned by numerous people before the changes went live and yet not a thing was done.
To be on par with the other AFs? I don't think you're playing the same game as everyone else.
You want to have the best possible fit? Spend isk on the shiny named modules (not faction). Don't complain about fitting if you're trying to squeeze all T2 on your ship when many named mods are better. I'm having no trouble fitting an MWD Enyo with neutrons+nos, as well as a tank
Still can't figure it out? You've got two rig slots & two implant slots to to reduce CPU if (for whatever reason) you still can't fit something. If you still can't fit it, there are several skills you probably don't have trained (Engineering/Weapon Upgrades/Advanced Weapon Upgrades) that will give you more than enough fitting to do some crazy ****. CSM Candidate & PVP Samurai RE-ELECT PROM4CSM7 www.promsrage.com |
Jerick Ludhowe
Purification of Eden XIN DOA'ED
54
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Posted - 2012.01.31 12:08:00 -
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Ninevite wrote:
edit: I enjoy flying my new ishkur with an extra low slot yet no leftover cpu to fit anything and weapon systems that still suck. thanks ccp, my ass hairs could do a better job at balancing this game than you all can
You're trolling right??......
Ishkur could kill almost any frig prior to this AF buff... With the addition of 50% more drone hp and another low (adaptive nano) the ship is significantly more capable than it was before.... And btw, small blasters do not suck nor have they ever sucked... They were great before the hybrid buff... and are even better now.
Not trying to be an ass but I'm pretty sure the problem is the pilot not the ship in this situation.
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Anja Talis
Mimidae Risk Solutions
49
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Posted - 2012.02.01 12:45:00 -
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So, has low sec PVP collapsed following the release? Or is it better? :D
So far I'm enjoying it. I'm seeing quite a few more valid targets when out and roaming around. Lots more AFs being used too imo.
I've noticed quite a few being fielded in some of the militia blobs too. |
Uppsy Daisy
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
82
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Posted - 2012.02.01 22:27:00 -
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Just a quick note to say I am really enjoying these new Assault Frigates, and I think a really good job has been done here.
Well done Prom and CCP.
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Sylvous
Bigger than Jesus Dead Man's Hand.
12
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Posted - 2012.02.05 18:59:00 -
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I'd say low sec pvp isn't the same. Its gotten worse. Anything not AF is no longer viable for solo work (frig sized of course). I used to be able to encounter the whole spectrum of faction ships, but after testing on sisi, I can see why they are not being used... THey just can't cope with the boosted AF's even though the pirate faction ships are meant to be T1 equivalents and the navy faction ships were supposed to be comparable but not there.
Way to make pvp in low sec less exciting CCP.
Oh, AF vs AF takes way too long, should be over way sooner. |
Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
419
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Posted - 2012.02.07 03:07:00 -
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Sylvous wrote: the pirate faction ships are meant to be T1 equivalents and the navy faction ships were supposed to be comparable but not there.
Way to make pvp in low sec less exciting CCP.
Oh, AF vs AF takes way too long, should be over way sooner. Pirate are meant to on par or superior than some T2. We don't know if CCP means AFs. At any rate the Worm & Cruor need the most attention, with the Succubus needing a slight adjustment to pre-nerf stats. Navy are LESS than T2. CCPs words. They are simply better T1 that offer some benefits of their T2 counterparts.
Destroyers, T1 Cruisers, other AFs, and (in some matchups) Pirate faction are best for countering AFs. If people are flying AFs, then start flying things that kill them without much stress.
As for fights taking too long, feel free to blame peoples fitting decisions and/or ship choice. IE: A Harpy vs an Enyo is going to take a bit longer than say, Hawk vs Wolf. CSM Candidate & PVP Samurai RE-ELECT PROM4CSM7 www.promsrage.com |
Stukkler Tian
Deaths Head Brigade Vanguard.
4
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Posted - 2012.02.07 04:43:00 -
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Yeah lowsec took a big hit on this one i was opposed to it before it went though, and now all i see on dscan is af af af af af, all i can fly is af af af. Gonna give ewar frigs a shot always thought the sentinel looked cool, might give up and move on to bigger ships either way this af boost has been a very dark part of an otherwise wonderfull set of patches.
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Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
45
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Posted - 2012.02.07 13:29:00 -
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Well, the AF change is getting poor reviews from the low sec guys, and as for 0.0 where it was supposed to make a difference, they're no better at all. They're too slow for tackle, which is good because that's what inties are for; they're no good as anti-tackle - again inties still get that role, or faction frigs or cynabals; nobody flies other frigates tbh except for lolfleets out for *****, giggles and an early night, so AFs don't get to shoot those. They can't cope with cruisers and up, mostly as t1 cruisers don't exist much in 0.0, being rather crappy at this point in time, and anything better than t1 cruisers simply eats AFs. Anything bigger than a cruiser and there's plenty of tanky-time for support to arrive. In short, this looked nice on paper to some, and not to others. In practise it falls short for everyone except people who want to 1v1 other AFs, which they could have done before anyway. Poor design decisions based too much on in-class balancing rather than in-game function.
Left very disappointed. |
Msgerbs
Noir. Academy Noir. Mercenary Group
17
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Posted - 2012.02.08 05:31:00 -
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Love how the gallente AFs were the least-buffed of all, with Minmatar being once again some of the most buffed. The Enyo cant even come close to fitting all of its slots now unless maybe you use ions. And an AB, but wait? CCP wants us to use MWDs on our AFs. I'm sure plenty of other AFs have this problem as well from what other people have said. |
Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
419
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Posted - 2012.02.08 09:46:00 -
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Msgerbs wrote:Love how the gallente AFs were the least-buffed of all, with Minmatar being once again some of the most buffed. The Enyo cant even come close to fitting all of its slots now unless maybe you use ions. And an AB, but wait? CCP wants us to use MWDs on our AFs. I'm sure plenty of other AFs have this problem as well from what other people have said. Enyo isn't really a tanker. Fit resist plates, damage and range. You'll find that having massive amounts of DPS is just as good as a ton of ehp. CSM Candidate & PVP Samurai RE-ELECT PROM4CSM7 www.promsrage.com |
Bent Barrel
43
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Posted - 2012.02.09 10:45:00 -
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Prometheus Exenthal wrote:Msgerbs wrote:Love how the gallente AFs were the least-buffed of all, with Minmatar being once again some of the most buffed. The Enyo cant even come close to fitting all of its slots now unless maybe you use ions. And an AB, but wait? CCP wants us to use MWDs on our AFs. I'm sure plenty of other AFs have this problem as well from what other people have said. Enyo isn't really a tanker. Fit resist plates, damage and range. You'll find that having massive amounts of DPS is just as good as a ton of ehp.
care to write a post chaneg summary how your 0.0 and lowsec AF experience changed ??? did the change translate into your expectations ? |
Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
419
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Posted - 2012.02.09 17:49:00 -
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I've been flying AFs through 00 with much success, and I've seen plenty of the ships around as well. The people who don't really leave their home systems are running ABs and larger tanks, whereas the guys who chase you around and/or roam run MWDs. It's pretty damn good.
As for low sec, I haven't seen more or less of them really. The highest concentration I've seen tends to be pirates who have replaced snaked/linked Dramiels with an assortment of MWD and AB fit AFs. CSM Candidate & PVP Samurai RE-ELECT PROM4CSM7 www.promsrage.com |
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Nikuno
Atomic Heroes The G0dfathers
45
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Posted - 2012.02.09 21:18:00 -
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Prometheus Exenthal wrote:I've been flying AFs through 00 with much success, and I've seen plenty of the ships around as well. The people who don't really leave their home systems are running ABs and larger tanks, whereas the guys who chase you around and/or roam run MWDs. It's pretty damn good.
As for low sec, I haven't seen more or less of them really. The highest concentration I've seen tends to be pirates who have replaced snaked/linked Dramiels with an assortment of MWD and AB fit AFs.
The only AF you seem to fly with much success is the wolf. The wolf is also the ship you've lost in quite a bit, and the one you obviously keep going back to. You stated many times that all the AFs were balanced, so I'm wondering why the preference for this minmatar AF? |
Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
419
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Posted - 2012.02.13 03:20:00 -
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Nikuno wrote:The only AF you seem to fly with much success is the wolf. The wolf is also the ship you've lost in quite a bit, and the one you obviously keep going back to. You stated many times that all the AFs were balanced, so I'm wondering why the preference for this minmatar AF?
Someone had donated me a stack of Wolves to fly I fit them to fight against, and capitalize against, new AF users.
The fit is extremely fragile and easy to kill CSM Candidate & PVP Samurai RE-ELECT PROM4CSM7 www.promsrage.com |
Bent Barrel
43
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Posted - 2012.02.13 09:10:00 -
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Prometheus Exenthal wrote:I've been flying AFs through 00 with much success, and I've seen plenty of the ships around as well. The people who don't really leave their home systems are running ABs and larger tanks, whereas the guys who chase you around and/or roam run MWDs. It's pretty damn good.
As for low sec, I haven't seen more or less of them really. The highest concentration I've seen tends to be pirates who have replaced snaked/linked Dramiels with an assortment of MWD and AB fit AFs.
ah a non-answer again ... anyway ... I had a look through battleclinic and eve-kill.net and notice that you started flying AFs after the change. there were very few on your list prior the change. |
Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
419
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Posted - 2012.02.14 00:40:00 -
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Bent Barrel wrote:ah a non-answer again ... anyway ... I had a look through battleclinic and eve-kill.net and notice that you started flying AFs after the change. there were very few on your list prior the change. Sorry, I thought that the increased usage and success with the new AFs would have spoken for itself My usage of AFs peaked when Quantum Rise came around, when I was using AB fits in low-sec. Since then, I had only flown them on occasion because they were utterly useless, and easily trumped by clever piloting or simple ship choice. That, and it was largely impossible to fly them where the majority of my fights are (00).
Up until around 2010, my choice ships were always frigates. I grew tired of flying them as often because my name was recognizable enough that people wouldn't bother engaging. I started flying larger ships to help myself out of the rut. CSM Candidate & PVP Samurai RE-ELECT PROM4CSM7 www.promsrage.com |
Bent Barrel
43
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Posted - 2012.02.14 06:41:00 -
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Prometheus Exenthal wrote:Bent Barrel wrote:ah a non-answer again ... anyway ... I had a look through battleclinic and eve-kill.net and notice that you started flying AFs after the change. there were very few on your list prior the change. Sorry, I thought that the increased usage and success with the new AFs would have spoken for itself My usage of AFs peaked when Quantum Rise came around, when I was using AB fits in low-sec. Since then, I had only flown them on occasion because they were utterly useless, and easily trumped by clever piloting or simple ship choice. That, and it was largely impossible to fly them where the majority of my fights are (00). Up until around 2010, my choice ships were always frigates. I grew tired of flying them as often because my name was recognizable enough that people wouldn't bother engaging. I started flying larger ships to help myself out of the rut.
omg ... you realy don't get change testing ...
look at your stated goals ... then look if the change fullfiled the goals and to what extend. then look if it made somethink worse ...
OTOH your goals were:
1. Make AFs more survivable in zerosec (escape bubble camps and such) - Did you accomplish this ? How is your camp survival rate now compared to before ? Since you did not fly AFs for more than a year, you cannot actualy compare ... but try anyway
2. Make AFs better damage and tank wise - now this is workable in EFT, but does the addition of the MWD bonus HELP ?
3. AFs will not be used as interceptors - did you observe a change of trend ?
4. Did AF performance vs cruisers/BCs change ?
I admit it is quite early to test everything, but you should see trends by now (given the state of your killboard). |
Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
419
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Posted - 2012.02.14 16:41:00 -
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Bent Barrel wrote:1. Make AFs more survivable in zerosec (escape bubble camps and such) - Did you accomplish this ? How is your camp survival rate now compared to before ? Since you did not fly AFs for more than a year, you cannot actualy compare ... but try anyway -Yes, AFs are extremely viable in 00 now. I see them everywhere. -They are way more survivable, you can move around without exploding. -I've flown AFs longer than most, and considering how their last big *change* was in Quantum Rise with web/scram changes, yes I can compare 2. Make AFs better damage and tank wise - now this is workable in EFT, but does the addition of the MWD bonus HELP ? You can now not only get to a target, but can now do so without exploding immediately. This doesn't show in EFT, but is a major improvement.3. AFs will not be used as interceptors - did you observe a change of trend ? Haven't seen anyone trying to use them as Interceptors, which are still very popular.4. Did AF performance vs cruisers/BCs change? Significantly. They have much much better odds CSM Candidate & PVP Samurai RE-ELECT PROM4CSM7 www.promsrage.com |
Bent Barrel
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Posted - 2012.02.15 08:46:00 -
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Prometheus Exenthal wrote:Bent Barrel wrote:1. Make AFs more survivable in zerosec (escape bubble camps and such) - Did you accomplish this ? How is your camp survival rate now compared to before ? Since you did not fly AFs for more than a year, you cannot actualy compare ... but try anyway -Yes, AFs are extremely viable in 00 now. I see them everywhere. -They are way more survivable, you can move around without exploding. -I've flown AFs longer than most, and considering how their last big *change* was in Quantum Rise with web/scram changes, yes I can compare 2. Make AFs better damage and tank wise - now this is workable in EFT, but does the addition of the MWD bonus HELP ? You can now not only get to a target, but can now do so without exploding immediately. This doesn't show in EFT, but is a major improvement.3. AFs will not be used as interceptors - did you observe a change of trend ? Haven't seen anyone trying to use them as Interceptors, which are still very popular.4. Did AF performance vs cruisers/BCs change? Significantly. They have much much better odds
finaly a valid answer :-)
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Marian Devers
Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities
3
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Posted - 2012.02.16 01:05:00 -
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Prometheus Exenthal wrote:Bent Barrel wrote:1. Make AFs more survivable in zerosec (escape bubble camps and such) - Did you accomplish this ? How is your camp survival rate now compared to before ? Since you did not fly AFs for more than a year, you cannot actualy compare ... but try anyway -Yes, AFs are extremely viable in 00 now. I see them everywhere. -They are way more survivable, you can move around without exploding. -I've flown AFs longer than most, and considering how their last big *change* was in Quantum Rise with web/scram changes, yes I can compare 2. Make AFs better damage and tank wise - now this is workable in EFT, but does the addition of the MWD bonus HELP ? You can now not only get to a target, but can now do so without exploding immediately. This doesn't show in EFT, but is a major improvement.3. AFs will not be used as interceptors - did you observe a change of trend ? Haven't seen anyone trying to use them as Interceptors, which are still very popular.4. Did AF performance vs cruisers/BCs change? Significantly. They have much much better odds
With all due respect, what region are you flying in to see all these assaults? I want to visit and see for myself.
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Prometheus Exenthal
mnemonic.
419
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Posted - 2012.02.19 02:15:00 -
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Cloud Ring, Fountain, Pure Blind, Fade, Venal, Tribute, Vale, Curse CSM Candidate & PVP Samurai RE-ELECT PROM4CSM7 www.promsrage.com |
Vaya DeLopasz
OWL Initiative
0
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Posted - 2012.02.24 10:58:00 -
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as far as i can say, mwd bonus does not even resemble the role of an AF at all.
it should get AB bonuses, since the AF is most likely to be used as a short range interceptor, which if slowed down relies on its resistances. it naturally should be vulnerable to mwd attacks and not use it as a tactic.
also, resistance to energy neut would be nice. if there should be any fourth. bonus resistance against t2 makes also sense, in some way, but not with the t1 - t2 gap which is in existence.
therefore i agree to boost slots in t1 frigates. simply because t2 having more slots and other bonuses is too big a step in balance in eve anyway. you should at least give it a try. |
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