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RtoZ
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:45:00 -
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let's think about this for a minute before we get all excited and insulting.
Personally I think we should. More out of coherance than anything else really. Highsec is full of freighters, which are bigger than most carriers. A charon, from a rough visual estimate, is about the size of a Wyvern. I'm sure someone will correct me with stats, but it still looks the size of a wyvern. So not seeing other large cap ship classes in highsec kinda ruins suspension of disbelief for me.
Here's how I would set it up: .5 and plus would have a high power gate network that could jump ships up to mothership class. Titans would still be confined to low sec, as they are a bit of a logistical nightmare if let into highsec and as such are not as viable. Cynosural fields would still be confined to low sec. This would give cap pilots a bit more mobility and logistic flexibility and it would give noobs new ships to look at. It takes about a year to work yourself up to one of these things, I think mothership transit in highsec is deserved. What do you think?
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Iyanah
Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem R i s e
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:50:00 -
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Originally by: RtoZ let's think about this for a minute before we get all excited and insulting.
Personally I think we should. More out of coherance than anything else really. Highsec is full of freighters, which are bigger than most carriers. A charon, from a rough visual estimate, is about the size of a Wyvern. I'm sure someone will correct me with stats, but it still looks the size of a wyvern. So not seeing other large cap ship classes in highsec kinda ruins suspension of disbelief for me.
Here's how I would set it up: .5 and plus would have a high power gate network that could jump ships up to mothership class. Titans would still be confined to low sec, as they are a bit of a logistical nightmare if let into highsec and as such are not as viable. Cynosural fields would still be confined to low sec. This would give cap pilots a bit more mobility and logistic flexibility and it would give noobs new ships to look at. It takes about a year to work yourself up to one of these things, I think mothership transit in highsec is deserved. What do you think?
no. they're not kept out of high sec because they can't fit in the gates, they're kept out of high sec because of balance issues. super capitals with the benefits of high sec safety = bad idea. ========================================== Iy
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Winterblink
Body Count Inc. Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:51:00 -
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If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
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BuIIseye
Amarr Pax Amarria Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:52:00 -
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I wonder what have you been smokeing ... super caps in high sec will mean a new age of bumps, e-pen wavering and freighter gankage infront of the "watchfull eye" of Concord. ------------------------------ Yes i am hax0r
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Caios
Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:54:00 -
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As much as I'd like to see the hundreds of noobs in Kisogo (which itself has changed) trying to dock with a titan or a good round of Jita bowling, it'd probably break to much stuff in terms of game balance.
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AlleyKat
Gallente The Avalon Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.21 16:56:00 -
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I think you are wrong.
If n00bs want new ships to look at, fly to Amarr and watch Chribba mine in the veldnought - or jump on the test server and watch carriers gank and tank each other.
As for ruining the suspension of disbelief, there are more than enough ways for this to happen in the game as it is, bouncing off moons next to stations is one of them, and then warping though them is another - are you suggesting we change those things too? Or do you simply want to fly a carrier in high-sec with practically Zero-risk and pose in front of newbies?
AK.
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Sc0rpion
Archer Daniels Midland
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:00:00 -
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I can tell you why this is a stupid idea in 3 words:
Jita Doomsday detonation.
The true secret to enjoying life is to live it dangerously. -Friedrich Nietzsche
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Caios
Caldari Unified Refining Federation Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sc0rpion I can tell you why this is a AWESOME idea in 3 words:
Jita Doomsday detonation.
Corrected?
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:02:00 -
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I want to fly with next to zero risk and pose in front of noobies :D
I don't see many balance issues tbh. Remember a few facts about them: they don't have that much cargo space. They need cyno, which I do not propose be allowed in highsec. They are still targets under wardecs. And the most important and relevant factor: you still need a ton of time to skill for them. I did leave cynos and titans out in my proposal and I think people are being rash in their thinking by blanket dismissal of it.
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Tyr Vaantau
Amarr Peregrin Avionics
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Sc0rpion I can tell you why this is a stupid idea in 3 words:
Jita Doomsday detonation.
*drools*
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Cornchips
kleptomaniacs
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:26:00 -
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well since CONCORD spawns in expectationaly greater numbers to kill larger threats, and the longer you can tank them the more will spawn, I wonder if you could tank them long enough in a titan that the node would die from the lag created.
It just might be possible in jita....
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AstroPhobic
Minmatar STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: AlleyKat I think you are wrong.
If n00bs want new ships to look at, fly to Amarr and watch Chribba mine in the veldnought - or jump on the test server and watch carriers gank and tank each other.
As for ruining the suspension of disbelief, there are more than enough ways for this to happen in the game as it is, bouncing off moons next to stations is one of them, and then warping though them is another - are you suggesting we change those things too? Or do you simply want to fly a carrier in high-sec with practically Zero-risk and pose in front of newbies?
AK.
Chribba's naught was moved to lowsec iirc.
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Lance Fighter
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:45:00 -
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Methinks you people either did not read the patchnotes, or did not read the OP. Titans can not get into highsec still. So no tanking concord with a titan.
Also, from the patchnotes, concord now insta-pwns your capacitor. Sooo.... no dreads in seige mode tanking concord, no carriers in triage mode tanking concord. Seriously people.
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Kwint Sommer
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Posted - 2007.06.21 17:53:00 -
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As much as I would like to see them in high sec they would cause so much lag if they got Concorded and you know that whether they were being idiots or saw a freighter with a few Billion in it people would get in fights with Concord.
Imagine a pair of carriers with faction hardeners and maxed skills repping each other and shooting up Jita. The node would crash well before Concord could take them down.
I'm not sure what the present state of Concord is but in the past a very well tanked and flown carrier could fight its way through Concord and escape.
Unless Concord will bring in capitals as well it won't work.
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Sharupak
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:00:00 -
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Cool!, I wanna see one cruise up to Ammold and shoot a cargo container!
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0mega
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:02:00 -
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Good luck in finding someone willing to suicide a titan in order to maybe get a few billion in loot. The only advantage this change would bring is some amusing test-server comedy.
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DarkNicodimus
Gallente Ixion Defence Systems The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:04:00 -
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Kwint i think you didnt read lances response.How can carriers be repping each other and tanking when concord has almost insta sucked there cap dry.It would be easy for concord to handle cap ships with out a huge fleet.A simple modification to how fast they can cap drain a ships cap would render all ships no matter what size useless in a few seconds.You think someone is going to risk a mothership or carrier when concord can cap drain them in seconds.What this would due is add a whole new element to alliances at war in high sec, i think that could be good if set up right.After all not all alliances are low sec or 0.0 sec
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Ethaet
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:11:00 -
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Supercapitals in highsec is stupid, people could fire a doomsday and gank loads of people (jita, anyone?), plus blocking undock points, and generall being a nuisance. They could not tank concord though, concord do >1000 damage per hit and anyway, then use nos now.
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R2 D3
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:11:00 -
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ok so a ship that is immune to ewar tanks awesome is ment for group play (hence why you need a friend or a alt in cyno's so you can't fly arround solo with them everywhere.)
should be able to enter jita......
you do realise it would end up people flying arround solo in a mom in hi sec bragging etc.
empire wars would end up with corps flying ceptors+bunch of cariers mom's dreads.
the size of how it looks is not that important it is more important that supercapitals in hi sec would be bad for the game.
and if you want to LOOK to a capital join a alliance that has them check out chribba or sisi.
aswell as logisticly spoken I think it is good that you can move stuff with cariers from 0.0 to low sec fast but once in low sec you need to use something else then a capital to make the final jump to hi sec.
the argument that it takes lots of time to train for them........ 1st of all how much time do you consider a lot? I mean I play this game for 2 years I know guys who play this game for couple of months and people who are 03 char we all have different opinions about what is "specialized" and "long training time" 2nd if it is balancewise not good for the game should you be able to do it even if it takes 20 years to train for it?
@0mega his comment insured phoenix might do the trick and be worth it.
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RtoZ
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:13:00 -
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Ah, some of you are starting to use the grey stuff. If you really think about it I believe that, with some tweaking ofc, this could be good for the game. They could take part in highsec warfare and give some lightshows for the noobs and they could also be kept in check by concord, which would have to be tweaked to handle carriers and motherships. But in the end the main advantage is for the pilots of these ships, who could well use a little added mobility.
One interesting idea I just had is restricting freighter movements in lowsec to cynosural fields, thus making capital ship behaviour consistant through ship classes < titan. This idea does need more thought though, and is not an actual preposition.
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R2 D3
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:32:00 -
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Originally by: RtoZ Edited by: RtoZ on 21/06/2007 18:19:33 A lot of time is anything above the average active player life in eve, which I read somewhere was about 6 months (this may or may not be accurate). The further up you go the less players you have, a lot of which are alts, so you will NOT get a highsec flood of overpowering ships.
lots of people is when people can empire war dec and fight with them.
if you read threads like the rkk cap yard attack it gives you a idea about how many capitals 0.0 alliances can assemble. those caps where bought by corps/players ment for teamplay. now knowing there is a fair share of soloplayers with lots of isk there will also come solo carier/dread pilots to a bigger degree what is imo just wrong.
Originally by: RtoZ Edited by: RtoZ on 21/06/2007 18:19:33 There are quite a few reasons this might be good. Newer corps could invest in a carrier player to clear the choke systems between lowsec and highsec easier for exp, which would mean more people in 0.0...
and how would this bring more people in 0.0?
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:33:00 -
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No but perhaps it's time to allow POS' to be insured.
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Patch86
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: AlleyKat I think you are wrong.
If n00bs want new ships to look at, fly to Amarr and watch Chribba mine in the veldnought - or jump on the test server and watch carriers gank and tank each other.
As for ruining the suspension of disbelief, there are more than enough ways for this to happen in the game as it is, bouncing off moons next to stations is one of them, and then warping though them is another - are you suggesting we change those things too? Or do you simply want to fly a carrier in high-sec with practically Zero-risk and pose in front of newbies?
AK.
Chribba's naught was moved to lowsec iirc.
Seriously?! --------
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Phoenix Lord
The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:04:00 -
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Originally by: Lance Fighter Methinks you people either did not read the patchnotes, or did not read the OP. Titans can not get into highsec still. So no tanking concord with a titan.
Also, from the patchnotes, concord now insta-pwns your capacitor. Sooo.... no dreads in seige mode tanking concord, no carriers in triage mode tanking concord. Seriously people.
Siege mode makes you immune to ewar. So...... yea, dreads can still tank em.
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Hippo117
Caldari Wings of Redemption Black Flag Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.21 19:18:00 -
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Originally by: Phoenix Lord
Originally by: Lance Fighter Methinks you people either did not read the patchnotes, or did not read the OP. Titans can not get into highsec still. So no tanking concord with a titan.
Also, from the patchnotes, concord now insta-pwns your capacitor. Sooo.... no dreads in seige mode tanking concord, no carriers in triage mode tanking concord. Seriously people.
Siege mode makes you immune to ewar. So...... yea, dreads can still tank em.
No you can't, with concord's new super neuting, a dread is void of cap in under 5 seconds. Try tanking like that. -------------- Obligulatory 'opinion does not nescessarily represent those of my corp/alliance' stuff here. |
Kyden
Gallente Path of Light R0ADKILL
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:32:00 -
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There is a lot of absent minded people in this thread. Have you forgot that you can only doomsday in 0.0?
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Celestal
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:40:00 -
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No its time to banish supercaps to 0.0 not have carebears flying them in lo-sec
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R2 D3
Slacker Industries Exuro Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Kyden There is a lot of absent minded people in this thread. Have you forgot that you can only doomsday in 0.0?
you realise that many people who read the words supercapitals in high sec think of DD'ing Jita 4-4?
at least I do
and I know that the op nowhere state titans should be allowed in hi sec (the opposite even) but still.
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Arkatsson
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:52:00 -
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To have the most powerful ships in .5+ would be chaos!
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.21 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Patch86
Originally by: AstroPhobic
Originally by: AlleyKat I think you are wrong.
If n00bs want new ships to look at, fly to Amarr and watch Chribba mine in the veldnought - or jump on the test server and watch carriers gank and tank each other.
As for ruining the suspension of disbelief, there are more than enough ways for this to happen in the game as it is, bouncing off moons next to stations is one of them, and then warping though them is another - are you suggesting we change those things too? Or do you simply want to fly a carrier in high-sec with practically Zero-risk and pose in front of newbies?
AK.
Chribba's naught was moved to lowsec iirc.
Seriously?!
Nope, it is still mining Veld in Amarr.
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