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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.22 02:20:00 -
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There appears to be a new trend with scammers, those who use character scams to scam you out of your ISK.
If people take these simple steps, they will prevent themselves from getting scammed and prevent the character scammers succeeding, and saving the GMÆs from unnecessary load from players filing petitions to get their ISK back.
1. Does the character have a fibbish, gibberish, or odd name? - Do you really want to play EVE with the name ôghjajshxnö ? I donÆt think so.
2. Does the character have a history in EVE? - Has he been in legitimate corporations? Contact his old CEOÆs and ask what he thought about him. - Has he ever posted on the forums before?
3. Does he speak decent English when you talk to him privately? Yes I understand not everybody speaks english very well, but its something to look for.
Red Flags
In my opinion, it is probably best not to buy a character that meets the following conditions:
1. The character the ISK gets sent too has the same exact birthdate as the selling character, or a similar name, or a oddball looking name 2. The character name has a number scheme and there are multiple characters in this group with birthdates minutes apart. 3. The characters birthdate is very close to past character scams. 4. The seller can not provide un-edited screenshots. 5. The seller character has claimed a lot of scam contracts. (Look up the characters contract history)
One final step you can do to protect yourself further, when conducting a character sale, ask for a picture of the character sheet of the character for sale, which has a conversation between yourself and the character. This kind of request should be filled within 10 minutes and the picture should be completely un-edited.
If the sale is legitimate, the seller should have no problem providing such a screenshot.
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Wonko
Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.22 02:28:00 -
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great topic... sticky!!!
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Ghostshadow
AFK Corp
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Posted - 2007.06.22 02:29:00 -
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Victim of this myself (didnt circumstances) I whole heartidily agree :) --
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Kaemonn
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.22 02:36:00 -
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Stickified for a while. Good advice. As such, if you do get scammed, make sure the character sell order rules are followed, and file an EXPLOIT petition. GMs will handle this very quickly.
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Rez Roxor
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.22 02:36:00 -
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yer, i agree with the points you have there after being scammed myself!
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Commander Madrox
Middle Finger Technology Ghosts Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.22 02:54:00 -
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i agree thanks for the advice but about that gm quick thing (over 12 hours now) at a week old i was living in a low sec at a month i have more kill points than anyone in my corp! i kill things for fun |
Creepin
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Posted - 2007.06.22 07:36:00 -
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Good topic overall, but hey, there's some things that aren't quite fit in:
Quote: 2. Does the character have a history in EVE?
and Quote: 4. Has he been in NPC corp for his whole life? If so, take extra precaution when dealing with the character.
Well, there're some people there who rises one or few side-chars with future selling of them in mind. F.e., I'm rising industrialist char on my second account keeping in mind possibility of selling him if I'll eventually find out it's not a big fun for me to run industrialist. There's pretty no chances that such character will ever leave noob-corp, does it makes him a scam?
Quote: 3. Does he speak decent English when you talk to him privately?
Sorry, but this one just stinks.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.22 07:46:00 -
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Originally by: Creepin Good topic overall, but hey, there's some things that aren't quite fit in:
Quote: 2. Does the character have a history in EVE?
and Quote: 4. Has he been in NPC corp for his whole life? If so, take extra precaution when dealing with the character.
Well, there're some people there who rises one or few side-chars with future selling of them in mind. F.e., I'm rising industrialist char on my second account keeping in mind possibility of selling him if I'll eventually find out it's not a big fun for me to run industrialist. There's pretty no chances that such character will ever leave noob-corp, does it makes him a scam?
Quote: 3. Does he speak decent English when you talk to him privately?
Sorry, but this one just stinks.
None of these are red flags. Yes I understand that some players will be in NPC corp for their entire lives, I'm not saying that if a character has been in NPC corp all of their life it's a scam, it's a question to ask yourself when bidding on an auction.
For example, does he have a funny name AND been in NPC corp his whole life? Then something might not be right.
As far as not speaking english, most character scammers do not speak english very well. It's just another thing to watch out for before handing over billions of ISK to somebody.
It's late and im gonna append some more information in the morning.
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Sicil Fioet
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.22 23:52:00 -
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It would also help if we had a designated section under petitions to petition bannable scams that would be reviewed frequently.
Often the scammers stay in game for way long a period of time after petitions have been created and do some more damage. Also they take this time to launder ISK, as I'm assuming they have ways of laundering it that makes it difficult to track.
Lack of prompt response only encourages them to try for it again and makes their numbers prolific.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.23 00:51:00 -
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Originally by: Sicil Fioet It would also help if we had a designated section under petitions to petition bannable scams that would be reviewed frequently.
Often the scammers stay in game for way long a period of time after petitions have been created and do some more damage. Also they take this time to launder ISK, as I'm assuming they have ways of laundering it that makes it difficult to track.
Lack of prompt response only encourages them to try for it again and makes their numbers prolific.
Which is why I decided to post this in order to educate people on how to avoid them.
I will also be making a tool where a character seller can provide his limited access API Key to validate the character for sale, since the API information can't be faked. There really is no legitimate reason to hide the limited access API key if your selling a character, so scammers would be up the creek without a paddle.
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Wonko
Dirt Nap Squad FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 04:07:00 -
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here is a perfect example...
http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/18801/2004106796291313045_rs.jpg
notice his learning skills, attributes, and the fact that he has medium railgun spec at 4 even though he only hs the basic med hybrid turret skill at 4 as well.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.23 04:19:00 -
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Originally by: Wonko here is a perfect example...
http://aycu02.webshots.com/image/18801/2004106796291313045_rs.jpg
notice his learning skills, attributes, and the fact that he has medium railgun spec at 4 even though he only hs the basic med hybrid turret skill at 4 as well.
Lowercase "o" in the Omnicron grade clone too.
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max bygraves
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Posted - 2007.06.24 04:14:00 -
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Kramer Verone
Amarr TeamMX
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Posted - 2007.06.24 08:50:00 -
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This is ridiculous and racist even.
None of these are fair signs of character scam.
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rushilac establishmenta
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:39:00 -
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I wanted to know what r steps in actual transfer of char. Does the buyer send isk first and thatn waits for transfer sweating like crazy and why isn`t there a secure way to do this and we would avoid all trouble an scamms...somethin like secure gtc sale via secure commerce?
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.24 17:32:00 -
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Originally by: Kramer Verone This is ridiculous and racist even.
None of these are fair signs of character scam.
Hey, if you don't mind sending 2 billion ISK to a player that has a gibberish name, has a numbering scheme in his name, can't speak english, has a contract history of claiming lots of scams made by somebody named "dpojaidojas" and can't provide unedited screenshots of his charactersheet. Be my guest.
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Chrisb6122
Gallente Tech 2 Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.06.24 17:59:00 -
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Originally by: Kramer Verone This is ridiculous and racist even.
None of these are fair signs of character scam.
Ill make this plain and simple just for you,
stop typing
Great post voogru, get the mods to clean this thread of the non sensicle crap such as the above quote and this post, -
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.25 02:28:00 -
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I have wrote a tool that's a bit like inEVE's skill display system.
The problem with inEVE is the fact that it trusts the user enough to upload their own XML file, my tool fetches the information from CCP using the shiney new EVE API.
Basically, it works with the limited access API and retrieves information relevant to the character you tell it to.
Link http://www.voogru.com/characters/index.php
Here is some example output: http://www.voogru.com/characters/index.php?action=getChar&cid=430627405
Poke me ingame if anyone wishes to try it.
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Kramer Verone
Amarr TeamMX
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Posted - 2007.06.25 08:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kramer Verone on 25/06/2007 08:30:34
Originally by: Chrisb6122 Ill make this plain and simple just for you,
stop typing
Great post voogru, get the mods to clean this thread of the non sensicle crap such as the above quote and this post,
You have a numbering scheme in your name, and according to the OP, you are most likely a scammer. I will not listen to scammers, so go bugger off.
I have bought a 18m sp character from a Serbian who had great difficulty with the English tongue for only a billion isk. Many and great characters have gibberish-like names. It means nothing. The same birth dates means even less.
The MOD must of been drunk when he stickied this.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.25 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 25/06/2007 12:11:27
Originally by: Kramer Verone You have a numbering scheme in your name, and according to the OP, you are most likely a scammer. I will not listen to scammers, so go bugger off.
I have bought a 18m sp character from a Serbian who had great difficulty with the English tongue for only a billion isk. Many and great characters have gibberish-like names. It means nothing. The same birth dates means even less.
The MOD must of been drunk when he stickied this.
Originally by: voogru 2. The character name has a number scheme and there are multiple characters in this group with birthdates minutes apart.
Did you even LOOK at what I provided as an example? EXAMPLE
And I never said "If the seller cant speak english it's a scam", but character scammers tend to have:
1. Funny or gibberish names. 2. Can't speak english. 3. Really really good deals on characters. 4. Unable to provide screenshots that are not edited.
Looks like you just want to flame me for some reason.
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Chrisb6122
Gallente Tech 2 Holdings Limited
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Posted - 2007.06.25 12:16:00 -
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Edited by: Chrisb6122 on 25/06/2007 12:23:47 Mailed you ingame kramer,
Please convo me as soon as possible
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.06.25 19:26:00 -
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion, however please present it in a civil manner. If you have nothing constructive to contribute, do not post here. ___
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Ker Ching
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Posted - 2007.06.26 13:13:00 -
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Could I recommend that if you're going to sell a character, use evemon and sync it with InEve. That way you can link to the InEve page for the character to show their skills, etc.
Just a thought.
Originally by: Sahwoolo Etoophie Please stop posting threads. *click*
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Rez Roxor
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.06.26 14:10:00 -
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I'm 99% sure that nimabiai is the same person as the other chars that were involved in scamming me....
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.26 15:24:00 -
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Originally by: Rez Roxor I'm 99% sure that nimabiai is the same person as the other chars that were involved in scamming me....
And I'm about 100% sure.
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Nacteom
Amarr Ad Astra Vexillum Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.26 15:27:00 -
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It's actually quite interesting, some of the people responding "this is a scam,dont send him money,isent 2.4 mbil and is scam" are probably part of the scam as well.. trying to "cover up" their tracks in some distorted manner.
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Hijara
Amarr Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.26 18:34:00 -
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wish i had read this sticky before, i just got scammed a few hours ago. Was player Kvgcyth as the tradie, and Work Boss as the reciever of fund.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.26 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Hijara wish i had read this sticky before, i just got scammed a few hours ago. Was player Kvgcyth as the tradie, and Work Boss as the reciever of fund.
I think I busted one of his previous scams.
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Hijara
Amarr Crimson Squall Molotov Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.26 19:24:00 -
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like i said, i wish i had seen your post before. Its nice to see someone is trying to stop or at least hinder the scammers in this game. Its gotten pretty bad ingame and out.
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Mr Linderman
Selective Extinction
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Posted - 2007.06.26 20:07:00 -
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Very Helpful guide to buying Characters. Nice Work Voogru
Mr L
"In conflict, straightforward actions generally lead to engagement, surprising actions generally lead to victory." - Sun Tzu
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.27 19:23:00 -
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Just noticed a new trend today, successful scammers are now trying to launder their ISK by buying a legitimate character.
Example:
This is a character sale scammer. This is the same character scammer using another character to bid on an auction.
This is a picture that links these two characters together.
My reccomendation: Do not accept bids from alts. If an alt has 'dirty' ISK, not only will the ISK be taken back but you could potentially lose your character.
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Voyde Reaper
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.06.27 20:00:00 -
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I can say Voogru knows his stuff, sadly I got his warning too late and was scammed...and am still stuck waiting for any comment from a senior GM (Been nearly a month now without any replies, but its still open).
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.27 20:13:00 -
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Originally by: Voyde Reaper I can say Voogru knows his stuff, sadly I got his warning too late and was scammed...and am still stuck waiting for any comment from a senior GM (Been nearly a month now without any replies, but its still open).
Try putting another message in.
This is why I try to do everything I can to prevent scammers from succeeding in the first place. The GM's are swamped as it is the last thing they need is to have to deal with these people too.
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Voyde Reaper
Eve University
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Posted - 2007.06.27 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Voyde Reaper on 27/06/2007 20:23:39
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Voyde Reaper I can say Voogru knows his stuff, sadly I got his warning too late and was scammed...and am still stuck waiting for any comment from a senior GM (Been nearly a month now without any replies, but its still open).
Try putting another message in.
This is why I try to do everything I can to prevent scammers from succeeding in the first place. The GM's are swamped as it is the last thing they need is to have to deal with these people too.
I have placed several messages within the petition thread (Under my petitions). I also tried to upload various screenshots (I took plenty of both the convo with the seller & character for sale), but there is/was no confirmation of the upload of any screenshot in their petition system (Where it says upload file)... Which honestly seems worthless, since you cannot tell if it actually properly uploaded.
Not to mention, the link to the character sale thread I provided no longer works...the thread is still there as I can go back to the date of the last post and find the thread, but the seller wiped all information he posted within it along with the name of the thread. Actually with this change....I have a bad feeling CCP might have wiped the thread out =( I'll have to go check after work...
I have not created a 2nd petition, because I understand this is extra workload and they don't want players double petitioning to find out the status of their initial petition...but I am becoming very frustrated, especially when I read that in some cases people were refunded in as little as 24 hours.
Edit> Still in the Sell Orders section > http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=530797
(Page 130)
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.27 20:25:00 -
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Originally by: Voyde Reaper
Originally by: voogru
Originally by: Voyde Reaper I can say Voogru knows his stuff, sadly I got his warning too late and was scammed...and am still stuck waiting for any comment from a senior GM (Been nearly a month now without any replies, but its still open).
Try putting another message in.
This is why I try to do everything I can to prevent scammers from succeeding in the first place. The GM's are swamped as it is the last thing they need is to have to deal with these people too.
I have placed several messages within the petition thread (Under my petitions). I also tried to upload various screenshots (I took plenty of both the convo with the seller & character for sale), but there is/was no confirmation of the upload of any screenshot in their petition system (Where it says upload file)... Which honestly seems worthless, since you cannot tell if it actually properly uploaded.
Not to mention, the link to the character sale thread I provided no longer works...the thread is still there as I can go back to the date of the last post and find the thread, but the seller wiped all information he posted within it along with the name of the thread. Actually with this change....I have a bad feeling CCP might have wiped the thread out =( I'll have to go check after work...
I have not created a 2nd petition, because I understand this is extra workload and they don't want players double petitioning to find out the status of their initial petition...but I am becoming very frustrated, especially when I read that in some cases people were refunded in as little as 24 hours.
This is why you see me always quoting the original post before I yell out "SCAM". In case they edit it, I still have the text quoted.
EVE-Search retains the original post as well. http://www.eve-search.com/index.dxd?thread=530797
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Drakus
Minmatar Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.06.28 17:21:00 -
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Voyde... i kinda feel for ya... but i mean... what is wrong with people?
Look at the link for his skills... in big numbers right in the middle of the screen... says he has 1.8m skill points...
how did you fall for that?
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DUFFMANX
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.30 18:01:00 -
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Im interested in using ur method for selling characters but i dont know how u use the api info. Do u give the limited info in the post u make for selling or link form ur site
Originally by: dimensionZ The biggest threat we ever had was xirtam mining plagioclase in aridia ...
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DUFFMANX
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.30 18:45:00 -
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Figured out its has to be linked but how do i recover character info from the sie if u cant enter the api code again
Originally by: dimensionZ The biggest threat we ever had was xirtam mining plagioclase in aridia ...
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.06.30 19:41:00 -
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When you submit the API info and then select the character you want to upload it will forward you to the page with the character information.
You need to save that link. I don't intend to make a listing of all of the characters on the site for privacy reasons.
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Gui'ja Kah
Amarr
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Posted - 2007.07.02 00:12:00 -
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Thx for the API site. Nice work.
I've used it in this chars auction.
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Xeen DuWang
Hell's Horsemen
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Posted - 2007.07.03 20:00:00 -
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07 Great work voogru!! Hell's Horsemen
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Calvin Firenze
Minmatar The Lunar Bin
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Posted - 2007.07.06 03:05:00 -
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Very nice work voogru
I feel for the folks that have been scammed, I've been there, though not on as large of a scale as GTC or character scam.
I still believe your best bet is to take all that ISK you're spending on a character and just train one up yourself. You get the name you want, and you get a nice feeling of accomplishment.
Cheers this is not a signature, whatever anyone has told you is false. look away |
Nate D
New Atlantis Tek Corporation
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Posted - 2007.07.07 03:36:00 -
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Wow voogru you're doing great work here! Thank you for your contribution to the EVE community!
-Nate
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Misha specijalac
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Posted - 2007.07.24 11:56:00 -
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I just decided to buy a new miner for myself, and I never did it before.
Does character transfer for ISK works in similar way as buying GTC via this site? I mean seller transfer his char, I get mail, I confirm it and game remove my ISK...
And another one... I want to make new accaunt for this miner. So, is it possible for me to pay from my main char, and recieve new miner char on another accaunt? Or its up to parties involved?
ty
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Eidolon Bellum
Caldari The Left Hand of Death
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Posted - 2007.07.24 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Misha specijalac I just decided to buy a new miner for myself, and I never did it before.
Does character transfer for ISK works in similar way as buying GTC via this site? I mean seller transfer his char, I get mail, I confirm it and game remove my ISK...
And another one... I want to make new accaunt for this miner. So, is it possible for me to pay from my main char, and recieve new miner char on another accaunt? Or its up to parties involved?
ty
I too have only purchased one character before. I was under the assumption that when you use the system, it was like selling a GTC code. You put the code in, and they dont get it till they send the money. I figured it would be the same for characters, but its not. I could not find any information on the subject so i had to just blindly trust the seller, and hope that if it was a scam i would be reimbursed by CCP. I still have not found any info, and since the trade was smooth and painless and the guy didnt rip me off, im leaning towards a no, there is no system, you just transfer the money and hope he doesnt rip you off. ----------------------------------------------- Now you see me, Now you dont |
Sha Verity
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Posted - 2007.07.24 22:22:00 -
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I like the API verification site. It's cool.
I dislike the bigotry. Guess what, dude, most of EVE doesn't use English as their primary language. Speaking good English doesn't equal trustworthiness.
And as far as not accepting bids from younger characters - why? Your stupid post just about scuttled my legitimate bid. Since buyers send the ISK BEFORE they get the character, how is it you think younger characters can scam a seller that older characters can't? Accepting ISK from someone isn't "plain risky" if they give you the ISK BEFORE they get anything in return. Sorry you had a bad experience with someone who doesn't speak the same native language that you do, but quit screwing the system for the rest of us.
CCP - isn't it time to delete this post? Do you really want to be associated with this business? InEve works just as well, without all the "I hate foreigners" baggage.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.07.25 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 25/07/2007 03:21:38
Originally by: Sha Verity I like the API verification site. It's cool.
I dislike the bigotry. Guess what, dude, most of EVE doesn't use English as their primary language. Speaking good English doesn't equal trustworthiness.
Statistics != bigotry, find me a PAST character scam that used perfect english in all communication and i'll give you 500 million ISK.
Originally by: Sha Verity And as far as not accepting bids from younger characters - why?
1 day old alt doing a serveral billion ISK large transaction? Common. They have to be getting their ISK from somewhere. What I am suggesting to the sellers, if they have a "young" bidder, to have them transfer the ISK from their main character and NOT the alt.
Originally by: Sha Verity
Your stupid post just about scuttled my legitimate bid. Since buyers send the ISK BEFORE they get the character, how is it you think younger characters can scam a seller that older characters can't? Accepting ISK from someone isn't "plain risky" if they give you the ISK BEFORE they get anything in return. Sorry you had a bad experience with someone who doesn't speak the same native language that you do, but quit screwing the system for the rest of us.
It's plain risky if the ISK was gained via an illegal method. Such as a previous character scam or GTC scamming. Please learn the facts before you critisize what I'm doing.
By forcing them to transfer the ISK from a real character, if the ISK is illegal, they will be losing a character that isn't 20 minutes old if it turns out they had illegal ISK.
Originally by: Sha Verity CCP - isn't it time to delete this post? Do you really want to be associated with this business? InEve works just as well, without all the "I hate foreigners" baggage.
inEVE still only accepts XML pages which can be edited by the client.
I have nothing against foreigners, I do hate the scammers however.
And just for your information, I treat everybody the same, I don't care what race, color or language you speak. If I find out your doing something such as ISK farming, ISK selling, performing illegal GTC/character scams, I will pounce on you just as much. But by pure statistics, most of the illegal scams are coming from ISK sellers, and the majority of ISK sellers are foreign.
This does not make all foreign players ISK sellers, but it makes a majority of ISK sellers foreign, which is a true statement and is NOT bigotry.
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Misha specijalac
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Posted - 2007.07.25 09:21:00 -
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Ok... for example:
I bid with my main char. And assume that I won the auction. I would like to create another acc (20min old), so seller can transfer his char to my newly created alt.
Is that common? I mean, I dont like to have two main chars on one acc. I would like to train them both.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.07.25 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Misha specijalac Ok... for example:
I bid with my main char. And assume that I won the auction. I would like to create another acc (20min old), so seller can transfer his char to my newly created alt.
Is that common? I mean, I dont like to have two main chars on one acc. I would like to train them both.
There is nothing at all wrong with that. Transfer the large sum of ISK from your main character.
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Wanux
Mercurialis Inc. Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.25 13:25:00 -
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Just wanted to say good work and I'll only deal with Voogru-posted characters. =) |
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Sha Verity
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Posted - 2007.07.25 15:33:00 -
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I would like to publicly apologize to Voogru. After the day I had yesterday, the very last place I should have been was the forums. I think the API site is a nice public service, and much of his advice I completely agree with. My post was unnecessarily rude, and I apologize both for the tone and the unwarranted criticism.
I continue to disagree with the "no alt chars" idea, as I frequently use various alts to do my commerce in order to prevent competitors from getting extra information. I can also think of a number of ways that a young character could have a lot of ISK without having a rich main - perhaps they sold their carebear to get into PvP? However, that objection could have been handled privately and not in the manner I chose yesterday.
I encourage people to use the Voogru site for verifying character transfers, and hope that someday this entire thread will be rendered moot by a secure character transfer system similar to the one now used for secure GTC sales.
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Cantankerous Curse
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Posted - 2007.07.25 18:05:00 -
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Edited by: Cantankerous Curse on 25/07/2007 18:07:44 Ok, now Im a little upset...
RE-STICK voogru's THREAD... IT HAS A PURPOSE AND USEFULL BY ALL.
Even though a mod put up new rules, doesnt mean voogru's guide should be unstuck. It has kept me from getting scammed once, and Im sure countless others as well.
PS: Dont care if there is a link to it in the rules, still should be stuck.
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Nemar Tel'Narin
Solar Wind Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.26 01:42:00 -
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Ok would have to agree great post that should not have been unstickied. Doing this is almost like someone else stating the same thing and taking credit for it. You know like in the business world.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.07.26 01:43:00 -
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We can keep it stickied ourselves by just having a legitimate discussion.
Or I can change it to a WTS 1 billion ISK pieces of trit like how I first started it out
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Nemar Tel'Narin
Solar Wind Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.07.27 22:00:00 -
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The bumping it to get it resticky'd is a legitamate topic for this thread is it not?
Cheap mans Siggy
Catamarack: Nem, your momma's so fat, BoB thought she was a region and claimed her.
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James Lister
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Posted - 2007.07.28 05:42:00 -
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Very good info that anyone considering buying a character would do well to heed. There's no way for voogru to anticipate every situation but if you see any of the danger flags he mentions you would be a fool to not seek clarification. |
Jtbenns
Gallente QUANT Corp. Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.07.29 17:45:00 -
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you sir, i want to shake your hand. Very good responses to these whiners and haters. And to all you haters, build a bridge and get over it.
On the point of racism say that there is a city that has a 70% crime rate, and race A is 92% of the population and race b is 8%. There is not racism in speculation that race A will do a crime its just probability. Just like the scam. If there is a 20% scam rate and 95% of scamemrs are from the continent of antartica and 5% are from the rest of the world, probability is saying that antartican players are scammers so their broken antartican english is a redflag.
The thing with the alt players is that i have heard of players makign an alt account to illegally buy isk to transfer over because what happens if a 20 minutes old character gets banned? what do you honestly lose?
Language: if someone is serious they make make a stride to trying a bit harder. If the words are just complete rubbish and take a few times to read through why not red flag it? The google translater works pretty well.
Do note, he says its his opinion in his post. Writing down somethign doesnt mean its right and in no means does the eula say you must listen to voogru, he is just being one of those 3rd party people who want to help out a bit. Is there anything wrong with that? if you dont like him then dont read his posts.
ineve.net: voogru stated that ineve.net takes xml data. Well if someoen went to a website and learned how to edit an xml file, they can have fishing trained to lvl 5 in eve if they wanted to.
screenshots: yes, they are good, but you know what else is good, photoshop. if someone is scammign they may already have a lot of time on their hands and shop something. In my time spent rummaging through /b/ i have seen some very believeable shops.
yickragtingfantisnicmangsir. YES SIR I WANT THAT NAME FOR MY TOON!!! i have a friend who has an alt, and when i searched his alt i saw his character ******20 and saw ******1 all the way to somethign in the 30's. Just be careful and have lots of logs so there is a definat way to get scams fixed.
theres my $0.02 and voogru, if your anywhere near nyc (me not being there but being close by) i will come give you a handshake. --------------------------------- RWREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.07.29 18:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jtbenns theres my $0.02 and voogru, if your anywhere near nyc (me not being there but being close by) i will come give you a handshake.[/teal]
I was in NYC last thursday.
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Jtbenns
Gallente QUANT Corp. Southern Connection
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Posted - 2007.07.29 18:37:00 -
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well im 45 miles out but i can be there in less than an hour but i usually take the train because i have both friends and corpies in the city. whatt an odd instance eh? --------------------------------- RWREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Tangentoar
Minmatar Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.08.10 13:08:00 -
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I have sent the info to the character showroom thingie but I cant find it on there. Can you please show me how to access it?
Thanks.
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Box Kicker
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Posted - 2007.08.10 17:36:00 -
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Very useful info...thanx
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Ash Donai
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Posted - 2007.08.11 22:49:00 -
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Quote: 2. Does the character have a history in EVE? - Has he been in legitimate corporations? Contact his old CEOÆs and ask what he thought about him. - Has he ever posted on the forums before?
These two things have absolutely nothing to do with whether someone is a scammer or not. Depending on how one feels about character sales the old CEO may be the absolutely worst reference one could get.
Out of hundreds of thousands on players on a very small fraction visits the forums.
I am all for protecting sellers and buyers, but at the same time some realsitic expectations will go a long way.
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Otanes
Tua mater
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Posted - 2007.08.21 00:26:00 -
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Originally by: Ash Donai
Quote: 2. Does the character have a history in EVE? - Has he been in legitimate corporations? Contact his old CEOÆs and ask what he thought about him. - Has he ever posted on the forums before?
These two things have absolutely nothing to do with whether someone is a scammer or not. Depending on how one feels about character sales the old CEO may be the absolutely worst reference one could get.
Out of hundreds of thousands on players on a very small fraction visits the forums.
I am all for protecting sellers and buyers, but at the same time some realsitic expectations will go a long way.
I think this is just like the ultra safe persons guide, and a real good one at that. You dont need to take it as gospel, and all things should be taken together, ie: if his ex-CEO has no recollection of him and he has never posted on the forums.. yet all other points check out okay, then most would be satisfied.
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Segil Nastra
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Posted - 2007.09.01 23:20:00 -
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If you post a [WTB] character post in this forum, be warned that these scammers might approach you in game instead of posting here. Read the rules carefully before initiating any character trades to not lose your ISK.
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Thux
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Posted - 2007.09.02 00:07:00 -
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Is there a way to look up people on your site voogru
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.09.02 00:26:00 -
[66]
Edited by: voogru on 02/09/2007 00:26:53
Originally by: Segil Nastra If you post a [WTB] character post in this forum, be warned that these scammers might approach you in game instead of posting here. Read the rules carefully before initiating any character trades to not lose your ISK.
YES! Always conduct the trade over the forums!
Originally by: Thux Is there a way to look up people on your site voogru
Not at the moment.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.09.03 07:31:00 -
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.09.03 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: voogru on 03/09/2007 23:52:54 ^
... Damn thought it was over 1 day since I last bumped.
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Varnon
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Posted - 2007.09.06 04:02:00 -
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Edited by: Varnon on 06/09/2007 04:04:02
Originally by: voogru Just noticed a new trend today, successful scammers are now trying to launder their ISK by buying a legitimate character.
Example:
This is a character sale scammer. This is the same character scammer using another character to bid on an auction.
This is a picture that links these two characters together.
My reccomendation: Do not accept bids from alts. If an alt has 'dirty' ISK, not only will the ISK be taken back but you could potentially lose your character.
Hi Voogru, thanks for the post, and the site is awsome.
One question though... It seems to me that if you get ISK for a character you have proof you sold... (being the logs, forums and xtransfer service in the user control panel) why in the sam hell would CCP not only take away the ISK I earned through legit means, and then possibly take my character instead of giving it back?
Doesn't make sense to me to punish the persons who are your loyal customers, the ISK farmers could careless if you take the ISK or The character as most farmers won't care since most ISK sellers are not the owners of the characters or ISK in question the owners of the farming houses / business are. Seems to me that CCP might want to rethink that thought process instead of penalizing the paying customers. I know they can figure it out, ive met people in the newbie corp who said they are restarting because they got banned for buying ISK... so its not like they haven't figured out SOME system for handling and detecting ISK sellers... I dunno just seems to me that unless the ISK was garnered in cheating meaning dupes, as long as the ISK was not "faked" its valid ISK and would not ruin the economy and there for should not be removed from the character.
thoughts?
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.09.06 04:24:00 -
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Originally by: Varnon Hi Voogru, thanks for the post, and the site is awsome.
Thanks! :)
Originally by: Varnon
One question though... It seems to me that if you get ISK for a character you have proof you sold... (being the logs, forums and xtransfer service in the user control panel) why in the sam hell would CCP not only take away the ISK I earned through legit means, and then possibly take my character instead of giving it back?
Doesn't make sense to me to punish the persons who are your loyal customers, the ISK farmers could careless if you take the ISK or The character as most farmers won't care since most ISK sellers are not the owners of the characters or ISK in question the owners of the farming houses / business are. Seems to me that CCP might want to rethink that thought process instead of penalizing the paying customers. I know they can figure it out, ive met people in the newbie corp who said they are restarting because they got banned for buying ISK... so its not like they haven't figured out SOME system for handling and detecting ISK sellers... I dunno just seems to me that unless the ISK was garnered in cheating meaning dupes, as long as the ISK was not "faked" its valid ISK and would not ruin the economy and there for should not be removed from the character.
thoughts?
You know how CCP is sometimes, it could take a long time to resolve the issue while the GM's are 'investigating', they know the ISK is bad mojo, so it goes, then it's a matter of recovering your character, which as I said, could take time, and if the GM your dealing with doesnn't understand whats going on due to the evolving nature of the scammers, you could have a very hard time.
Not only do you need to recover the character, but the $20 you spent to transfer the character, fun huh?
Regardless, the advice is pretty much a no brainer, if a 1 month old player is sending you billions ISK, he had to get it from somewhere. Ask him to send it from his main character, and if he throws any excuses, move onto the next bidder.
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.09.07 07:42:00 -
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voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.09.16 01:55:00 -
[72]
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Fried
Silver Star Federation Stain Empire
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Posted - 2007.09.16 11:12:00 -
[73]
Bump.
This thread needs to stay on the front page
Thankyou Voogru, saved me from selling a character to a fishy character. |
voogru
Gallente Massive Damage
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Posted - 2007.09.17 23:22:00 -
[74]
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Thumper Tallen
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Posted - 2007.09.24 21:53:00 -
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Here's Something that I use when buying or selling characters - It's basically a form that the seller sends to the buyer receiving ISK and character to be transferred. This will hopefully expedite any issues with a petition if needed.
THE SELLER MUST REPLY "ACCEPTED" TO THE CONTRACT WITH CHARACTER BEING PURCHASED AND THE CHARACTER RECEIVING ISK AND ALL INFORMATION INSERTED APPROPRIATELY!
Fill in everything that is bolded then forward to toon being purchased and toon receiving ISK
################################# #FORM #################################
Character Purchased: __TOON_PURCHASED__ Purchase Amount: _____ Million Isk (_ Billion) Character to Receive ISK: __RECEIVING_ISK__ Account to be Transferred to: __BUYERS_ACCOUNT__
This is ___BUYER___, confirming the buyout on ___TOON_PURCHASED___ at _ Billion (_,___ Million) ISK through auction ________LINK_TO_AUCTION______ on Eve Online Forums.
___RECEIVING_ISK___ is to receive payment from me in the amount of _ Billion (_,___ Million) ISK and __TOON_PURCHASED__ will be transferred to the account __BUYERS_ACCOUNT__ upon receipt.
Please Respond via email with BOTH __TOON_PURCHASED__ and __RECEIVING_ISK__ confirming the information (include all information above please) and that you agree to the terms of the contract.
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Dao2SKP
Shillelagh Corp.
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Posted - 2007.10.12 09:13:00 -
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a great service voogru, keep it up specially with the posting
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Segil Nastra
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Posted - 2008.01.01 19:12:00 -
[77]
2008 bump
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Arya Aiedail
Caldari Iron Knights Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.02.07 23:20:00 -
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Realy usefull guidei will surely follow it when i have enough money. but one question you say do not trust young acounts ect. but soon my toon will be a month old or so. and if i am lucky i sold enough TC for a new char . ( i know bad to start high but i got the basics fast in this game and i want to enjoy it not to train for months before i can do that)
so i have legagly got the isk but my toon is young so this control trick should not be on the highest spot on the list imo.
Quote: A indian word of saying: Listen or your own thounge will make you deaf.
I advise every one to follow this since it will make your life a lot easier.
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