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Tassi
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.23 15:26:00 -
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Ugluuk you need adapt and get yourself carriers.
Its quite funny to kill the carebear carriers with your own capital ships, they hate that
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Trinity Trixx
Caldari Hell's Horsemen Phalanx Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 15:43:00 -
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I have to agree with Ug. I am finding it harder and harder to log in any of my three accounts these days.
Sadly enough this is the only MMO I've ever played and used to be fond of saying it would be my only one. Now I find myself searching mmorpg.com for something else....
Get onboard with the carrier thing? Why? Because CCP demands it by their actions? What about the old school players that demand that they nerf the carriers to get the game back to some sembelance of what it was before?
That's what I thought...
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Araviel
Gallente Epic.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 15:48:00 -
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completly agree mate, and as i already told you thats why i moved back to empire. low sec feels a little more like the 0.0 days of 2003-2004 somehow. huge skillgaps and little to much ganks tho, but sentrys and sec penalty still makes things intressting
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The Hooch
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 15:55:00 -
[64]
Ugluuk, come on home mate. The "game enhancment" hurt us but did not kill us.
Bring the new friends with you.
Hooch, regathering the scattered wolf pack
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Talio ZomB
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Posted - 2007.06.23 15:58:00 -
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Totally agree mate.
I am one of these ppl that take pride in the hunt and catching a target myself, using the smallest gang possible.
pirates used to try make a name for themselves, (kudos to HackG the last pilot to 1v1 me and not call in his mates, extended family and pets to gank me)
so long can I go before I see a pilot that is will to do that.
I have lost many ravens and its always to overwhelming odds.
there is no discouragement to this kind of ganktastic style.
CCP once talked of a system where by players were awarded points for kills, more points if the were using smaller ships and lower numbers, so for example the 1v8 scenarios that I run in to so often would would credit those pilots with a handful of points due to the size of their gang.
These points could be used in some way to like help in standings or something
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Jake Stevens
The League of Legitimate Nigerian Businessmen
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:02:00 -
[66]
Edited by: Jake Stevens on 23/06/2007 16:04:27 edit: unnerf privateers
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The Hooch
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:05:00 -
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I really like the comments here. This is a game of combat, screw all this building stuff and "controlling" areas. Isk is for buying ships, weapons, and other goodies that help you destroy a target.
Empire needs to be less safe, hell the thrill of running from an enemy/s can get the heart pumping too as fast as attacking an enemy.
That is the whole point of Privateers, I ain't getting rich from it, I got agents for isk making.
I love the hunt, and the combat, not seeing how fat the wallet gets.
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The Hooch
Minmatar Privateers Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Jake Stevens Reopen privateers
We are still here!
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Dr Smythe
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:21:00 -
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To the OP, good post but I can't say I don't like the changes that EVE has taken. EVE has evolved over the years. And we must remember that EVE is a commercial business and its main purpose is to attract new paying customers to the world of eve. And if that means a 6 month old noob can fly a ms in with t1 fitting then so beit. Remember if EVE was a game that only the experienced and high SP players could take part in seriously then why would anyone come and play eve. No one likes to lose. The trick is to evolve with the game and enjoy it as it develops
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Red Crown
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:27:00 -
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I may not be an old player but I agree with pretty much all you've said. "BLOB! OMG BLOB GET A CYNO BLOBBBBBBBBB" and then, its just "POS SPAM FUEL FUEL POS SPAM OMG DREAD DREAD GET A CYNO UP SO WE CAN CYNO IN DREADS".
I can't get small engagements anymore, its just the Blob.
A day or two ago a Curse and a Rook were causing problems in an outpost system. I got a gang of 3 - myself, another BS, and an inty. There were more who wanted in but I expressly forbid any more than 3 on the grounds that I didn't want this to be a blob.
My cunning plan didn't work, and we beat an orderly retreat. At this point, an alliance FC took over and gathered over 15 pilots and cyno'd in a carrier. When they were finally ready to move, the hostiles had been gone for over half an hour.
Keep in mind, this was for 2 recons. And yes, a Chimera was brought in from over 8 lightyears away. This is standard for 0.0 these days...
Is this what Eve is coming to? I know I don't like it.
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Muadeeb Ousil
Minmatar Office linebackers Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:31:00 -
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Privateers relied in the main on cheap ganks in Empire, the odd sprinking of decent fleet combat was mixed in - just not all the often.
It isnt the answer...
The simple fact is that the scale of Serious Organised warfare has increased and you need to adapt to it, you were a big fish in the Sea, the pool has grown into a large ocean and because you didn't adapt you arn't such a big fish any more.
The majority of posters in this thread have the oppertunity of using maxed out fighting skills with inside knowledge on every long term ship in game. The strengths, the weaknesses and tactics employed. Don't you think it was time to learn a new trade?
Most of you probably also know quite a few people who are capital class capable, those that had the foresite to change skill tree's over the last 2 years to adapt to the game ahead.
I suggest you contact these people and form your own counter capital gank squads - take the game to a new level tactically and coordinate as a team effort.
The Capital replaced the Battleship, the Battleship replaced the Cruiser.
And with the recent loss to the Titan the solo gank ship Supercapital class became Vulnerable finally (lets how Moms die as rapidly as well).
With that in mind you skillset isn't dead, ok you might not be the prima donna that does the most damage any more, but that does not mean your vast knowledge of tactical sitations earned over the last few years isnt worth something. You might have to play a support role in a battleship now, but hey so what. You might even learn some new tricks.
Personally im all the happier to see Teamwork overcome solo eliteism, this is a MMOPG not a solo shoot em up. Player numbers indicate more people are happier.
On the other hand Isk is a grind, bigger toys = more grind. If i agree with anything in this thread, its that Isk is a total obstacle to PvP, as such it should be easier to gain - so it is easier to lose.
CCP take note of that.
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Wylker
Caldari Pyrrhus Sicarii Aftermath Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:39:00 -
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Why is this in CAOD You signature was removed. For questions or comments please mail [email protected] -Scyd ([email protected])
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Rusty PwnStar
Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:41:00 -
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I tend to agree with the OP.
Another example is the POS situation. For months I worked on our POS's, offlining, unanchoring, anchoring, onlining.... rinse and repeat, if you've done it you know. Just as I get them how I want them, they move the goal posts again and tell us all the defensive mods will be outside the pos shields....
Bang goes the months I spent moving the mods, months wasted. I've since retired from POS duties, and now with the GSC nerf, not a moment too soon tbh.
This once was a game, it's now a time sink.
I love the game still in many ways, but hate it in way to many others.
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trouser boy
The Eve Pacification Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Smythe To the OP, good post but I can't say I don't like the changes that EVE has taken. EVE has evolved over the years. And we must remember that EVE is a commercial business and its main purpose is to attract new paying customers to the world of eve. And if that means a 6 month old noob can fly a ms in with t1 fitting then so beit. Remember if EVE was a game that only the experienced and high SP players could take part in seriously then why would anyone come and play eve. No one likes to lose. The trick is to evolve with the game and enjoy it as it develops
I think the point is that you'd be similarily as peturbed as the op if you weren't winning everything. Your opinion is of course valid but it is bias because you don't know what it is to lose. This doesn't make you any less right it just means your opinion doesn't really hold as much weight because everyones thinking "Well they would say that wouldn't they!"
I doubt anyone expects a significant percentage of BoB to agree with Ugluuks view. So who is right? Everyone else who has had a hard time in Eve? or yourself who hasn't?
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:55:00 -
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Originally by: Tassi Ugluuk you need adapt and get yourself carriers.
Its quite funny to kill the carebear carriers with your own capital ships, they hate that
You need isk to do so, Tassi. We don't play EVE 24/7 like yoo.
Anyway like Ug I'm not rich, I like smaller ship combat. Caps require to a certain extent backup.
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:56:00 -
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Originally by: Trinity Trixx I have to agree with Ug. I am finding it harder and harder to log in any of my three accounts these days.
Sadly enough this is the only MMO I've ever played and used to be fond of saying it would be my only one. Now I find myself searching mmorpg.com for something else....
Get onboard with the carrier thing? Why? Because CCP demands it by their actions? What about the old school players that demand that they nerf the carriers to get the game back to some sembelance of what it was before?
That's what I thought...
If it's up to me you shouldn't be able to assign fighters to other players.
Pwnage PvP Recruitment \m/ Metal Head \m/ |
gaz widdow
Caldari FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:57:00 -
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Sadly: I have to agree with the OP 100%
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Kaeten
Hybrid Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:58:00 -
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Originally by: Rusty PwnStar This once was a game, it's now a time sink.
Unfortunetly.
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Krugerrand
0utbreak
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Posted - 2007.06.23 17:29:00 -
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I don't agree, main problem pvp in eve has is the same as it always has had: metagamers and those too afraid to lose a ship.
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Sidrat Flush
Caldari Wolf Pack Enterprises E.A.R.T.H. Federation
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Posted - 2007.06.23 17:40:00 -
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So what does the OP want in terms of pvp? Instant action, small gang, little to no waiting, just log in, fit a ship call his mates go out and attempt to find, if not fair, then an enjoyable battle?
Other people like the gate camping aspect, or the fact they've got cap ships at their beck and call for even a "low level" (two enemy ships should not prevent people from ratting or mining, especially if they actually talk to each other and the ratters can warp to instantly should a miner be attacked.
Eve was always a game that relied on building up friends. This has not changed, if anything the need for team work and even more friends to call on has exponentially increased.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2007.06.23 17:48:00 -
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Originally by: Gragnor The destruction of the battleship as the core of any fleet will be the end of this game.
Try camping now and someone jumps in with the same number of ships; invariably one of them cyno's in a carrier or two.
Can they do something about it; yes. will they - no. Because CCP do not want to hold onto the old players; they want the newer ones more.
Battleships need the nerfs to damage and range undone; it was all they had to fight against these changes and it was stripped away without much thought.
Yeah cos its all new players flying carriers .....
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Dave PSI
Haendlergilde S.E.R.A
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Posted - 2007.06.23 19:05:00 -
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Time has simply changed, i can remember when a BS was so expensive like an carrier today (or even more expensive compared to the isk we had, mining in a cruiser with xycel miners I [when you had the 5 mil for them]). A BS was seldom seen and a loss was really hard to compensate. But i would also say that increasing the Capital armor by factor 5 makes them a bit overpowered. To boost them was nevertheless necessary, i could remember that a gang of 20-30 pilots ganked 11 dreads in a row. I think CCP has a focus on that point and like we see at the (after patch) Titan kill (which was for shure was a lot of fun for all involved (except molle perhaps :-) ), they are still balancing. If you always get jumped by carriers, simply bait them and destroy them. If you cant do that alone get a friendly corp for help. And to your point, that you cant make everything alone, hell yes that is what this game is made for : teamwork.
Also i cant see the good old times. POS spamming all around (ask atuk if they had much fun before they left the south). No capitals to counter and a large POS costed 50 mil if i remember right?. Every ship fittet with a minimum of 2-4 stabs, completely unbalances BS (gankageddon, Raven the one torp one frig killer, tempests wich doesnt seems to hit anything), no tracking, no explosion radius -> frigs were nearly useless ...
If the game changes, you have to adapt, that is what makes eve interesting, if we were still at the level 2 years ago i would have already left. If you can't adapt to the new rules, perhaps your time has gone. i am sorry for that, but thats the way it goes.
T R U S T shop: http://www.evetrust.com // Haendlergilde [HAE]
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.23 19:22:00 -
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The OP has said what I've been trying to say for the last year or so in a far more eloquent and articulate fashion. I support the OP 100%. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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Wrayeth
Shiva Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.06.23 19:24:00 -
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Edited by: Wrayeth on 23/06/2007 19:24:12
Originally by: Red Crown I may not be an old player but I agree with pretty much all you've said. "BLOB! OMG BLOB GET A CYNO BLOBBBBBBBBB" and then, its just "POS SPAM FUEL FUEL POS SPAM OMG DREAD DREAD GET A CYNO UP SO WE CAN CYNO IN DREADS".
I can't get small engagements anymore, its just the Blob.
A day or two ago a Curse and a Rook were causing problems in an outpost system. I got a gang of 3 - myself, another BS, and an inty. There were more who wanted in but I expressly forbid any more than 3 on the grounds that I didn't want this to be a blob.
My cunning plan didn't work, and we beat an orderly retreat. At this point, an alliance FC took over and gathered over 15 pilots and cyno'd in a carrier. When they were finally ready to move, the hostiles had been gone for over half an hour.
Keep in mind, this was for 2 recons. And yes, a Chimera was brought in from over 8 lightyears away. This is standard for 0.0 these days...
Is this what Eve is coming to? I know I don't like it.
So true.
I'll just add to my relevant quote collection here:
Originally by: Rusty PwnStar This once was a game, it's now a time sink.
QFT. -Wrayeth n00b Extraordinaire
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Plim
Gallente Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.06.23 19:42:00 -
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I used to love EVE because the pvp was like an adaptation of Sun Tzu's Art of War.
It was all about information. The more you knew about the game and about your enemies and the better you used that information the more likely you were to succeed.
Sadly with the introduction of covert pvp ships, cyno'ed capitals etc, unkown potential variables are added which make it difficult to make sound tactical judgements.
Also the game mechanics seem to change every two damned minutes now, just when you think you have mastered something it gets, nerfed, boosted, made to fly at 8billion kilometres a second for no obvious reason etc.
Often it is a game of chance now rather than skill.
It used to be that from a resource perspective, everyone was on an equal footing. When BS were the largest ship you could have (and they were just about accesable to everyone) fleet battles were won by competetant fleet commanders. Now they are won (or circumvented) by whoever can afford the most capitals.
The game has been going steadily downhill in my opinion. And I used to chastise people for saying that, but now I honestly think it is true.
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HordeZla
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.06.23 19:58:00 -
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Originally by: Trinity Trixx What about the old school players that demand that they nerf the carriers to get the game back to some sembelance of what it was before?
Just coz its new don't me it go or bad, EVE is not the same as what it used to be because things change.
If there was not new content then the old school would be board and playing WoW
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Kvarium Ki
legion of qui Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.23 20:30:00 -
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It seems that some of the old school players ARE bored but they're still playing because they've invested so much time and effort in this game that they hope CCP will improve things and make it fun again without having to sell 400$ worth of time cards to buy isk.
KK.
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Dracolich
North Star Networks Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.06.23 20:41:00 -
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I agree with Ugluuk, and most in between him and my post. I think I suggested 6 months ago that CCP made an additional server with an Castor patch installed. Then there would be something for each man.
Furthermore the difference between rich and poor just increases for each year. _____________________________________
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Oberkorn
x13 Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.23 20:59:00 -
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I must agree with ugluuk. I miss the old days. Most of the fun I had was in the empire wars we had against The Confederation and FIX (lost count ) small gang and a lot of soloing. Now its gank or get ganked + billion cyno jumps in on you. _____________________________________ Got nothing to loose let's dance
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gordon cain
Minmatar x13 Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.06.23 21:03:00 -
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the privateers days are over. Nothing to change that and stop bring it up.
What we can do is tell the minds behind the game that we think its going in the wrong direction.
Plz bring back skirmish warfare to the extend it was 2 years ago.
Gordon Cain "Allways remember. Never argue with idiots, they will just drag you down to their level, and beat you with experience"
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