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necranomicon
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Posted - 2007.06.24 07:04:00 -
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and i don't even use nos, but i can tell this is a very bad idea
nos is good and works for alot of people, if it did not work, no one would use it.
P.S. coughcough"cap boosters"coughcough
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.06.24 07:12:00 -
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NOS needs a little tweaking.
However, most of the suggestions I've seen on how to do it involve tweaking it with a baseball bat.
I do kinda like the Amarr-only one... What? No, my support has absolutely nothing to do with my small fleet of gold chrome-laden ships. These aren't the droids you're looking for.
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Sorum Daemoth
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Posted - 2007.06.24 07:16:00 -
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im sorry, the amarr only idea is terrible
every race should be allowed to use whatever they want, hell, they trained for it
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X99 Z990
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Posted - 2007.06.24 07:16:00 -
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Nos uses alot of powergrid and a high slot, it is in essence a weapon.
I dont see why it needs to be nerfed, its just a slower way of killing some ships and a faster way of killing others which sounds good to me id rather have a means to counter 1000+ dps tanking ship that doesnt involve mustering a small gang without nos things would be alot worse.
I think its about right currently and cap injectors are pretty effective. My guess is peoples obsession with 1v1 nos scenarios with drone ships. Everything has a counter though and by nerfing nos you would be nerfing one of the counters to other things also.
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Sorum Daemoth
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Posted - 2007.06.24 07:19:00 -
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yes, cap boosters are good for nos
i lost one of my nos domi's the other day to a pirate in a hyper with cap boosters. they work great for fighting nos ships
P.S. some aspects of the game would go insane without nos, even with just a nerf
P.P.S. thnx smilax for the GF
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Aakron
Infinitus Odium
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Posted - 2007.06.24 08:52:00 -
[36]
Nerf alts. Post with your main ---
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Sakura Nihil
Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.06.24 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Aakron Nerf alts. Post with your main
This.
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Avataris
The first genesis
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:14:00 -
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Leave Nos alone, there is nothing wrong with it.
Get creative instead of asking for a nerf.
Nos giving you problems?
Use some damps, or ecm, or a cap injector, or Nos of your own, or stay out of range, or work as a team, or don't try to solo BS in a frigate... The options are limitless.
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Mindy Moobah
Caldari Tech Five Giants
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:23:00 -
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Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid
Evil Girl
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ghosttr
Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:25:00 -
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Nos is fine as it is. It currently about the only way a bs has of shaking frigates, and in some cases the only way if the frigate is too fast for your drones.
Stop the carebear whine, Fix Cloaking |
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Avataris
The first genesis
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid
People who throw insults around instead of being constructive are either ignorant or plain stupid.
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ghosttr
Amarr ARK-CORP FREGE Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:36:00 -
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Originally by: Avataris
Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid
People who throw insults around instead of being constructive are either ignorant or plain stupid.
Yes plz explain how the only way a bs can combat a frigate needs to be removed
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Mindy Moobah
Caldari Tech Five Giants
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:49:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Originally by: Avataris
Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid
People who throw insults around instead of being constructive are either ignorant or plain stupid.
Yes plz explain how the only way a bs can combat a frigate needs to be removed
only way? looks like you fit well in least 1 of the categories
Evil Girl
You are going too fast! Wait a minute and try again.
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Mindy Moobah
Caldari Tech Five Giants
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:50:00 -
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Originally by: Avataris
Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid
People who throw insults around instead of being constructive are either ignorant or plain stupid.
tell me, what part of my post wasnt constructive?
Evil Girl
You are going too fast! Wait a minute and try again.
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DDemon
The Order of Chivalry Nex Eternus
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:09:00 -
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Nos has been in the game ever since eve has started, And has always been the same.
I do not see why it should be changed now. There is something as going to far with nerfing.
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Xerxes X
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:12:00 -
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The only logical nerf for me - is tracking.
Xerxes X
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Sokratesz
Paradox v2.0 Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:12:00 -
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Originally by: Murtala Please stop this nerf talk. If someone takes your cap, fit nos and take it back. Also fit cap boosters, but leave nos alone please.
Yes because if the only way to counter something is more of the same, that means its not overpowered at all.
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Amarria Black
Clan Anthraxx
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:13:00 -
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Originally by: ghosttr
Originally by: Avataris
Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid
People who throw insults around instead of being constructive are either ignorant or plain stupid.
Yes plz explain how the only way a bs can combat a frigate needs to be removed
A BS has other options for fighting a frigate than NOS.
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Methem
The Hand of Mortis
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:59:00 -
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In my opinion, I think medium and large nos need a slight stacking penalty (when fitting more than 2). Are nos the same strength now as they were before the Hp buff? Because if they are, it seems like nos would get a buff from having longer fights.
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Cruthensis
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Posted - 2007.06.24 12:44:00 -
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Edited by: Cruthensis on 24/06/2007 12:43:13
Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS doesnt need any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid
tell me, what part of my post wasnt constructive?
Mindy:
Expressing that people on one side of a debate are "either ignorant or plain stupid" does not acheive anything if you do not provide any argument to support such a statement. At the very least, it will not endear you to anyone who previously posted in support of 'not nerfing'.
My personal feeling is that NOS is not a 'free ride' as such. It occupies hi-slots and consumes a fair bit of ship resources - CPU and grid. If you fit lots of NOS, you aren't fitting DPS dealing turrets and when faced with a cap boosting opponent who fits for 100% DPS, you can be in for a nasty surprise.
Furthermore, the relatively short range of NOS allows certain ships to more readily stay out of range of its effects. ECM ships, when successful in breaking your lock, are very effectively countering NOS and just about everything else you might be using....Yikes! Nerf ECM!
If a nerf were deemed necessary, a simple way to go would be to raise the CPU requirement and make it impossible or rather costly (ie: extra processor) to fit all NOS in highs. |
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James Duar
Merch Industrial We Are Nice Guys
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Posted - 2007.06.24 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS needs any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid
OH LOOK! This post is STILL worthless.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.24 15:26:00 -
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Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 24/06/2007 15:27:50 Nos does not need altered, it works perfectly as it is. The OP's idea would do horrible things to the game balance by my mind.
What would work though would be a stacking penalty, much like shield and armour resistances. The efficacy of your nos could be reduced depending on the number you fit. Assuming a Dominix with T1 Heavy NOS fitted:
Originally by: 10% Stacking penalty on Heavy Nosferatu I efficacy 1: 100 Cap/cycle 2: 90 Cap/cycle 3: 81 Cap/cycle 4: 73 Cap/cycle 5: 66 Cap/cycle
As you can see, this would make multiple NOS worthwhile, but only to a point - forcing people to use neuts instead of vamps, just as was intended.
Assuming the same principle, an alternative would be to apply to stack-nerf to fitting instead. As above, we're looking at the Dominix and Heavy Vampires
Originally by: 10% Stacking penalty on Heavy Nosferatu I fitting requirements 1: 2000MW & 50Tf 2: 2200MW & 55Tf 3: 2420MW & 61Tf 4: 2662MW & 67Tf 5: 2928MW & 74Tf
In other words, either way a 10% stack nerf would solve the "problem" of pure NOS boats. The real question is: Is it a required nerf? Isn't it reasonable that the Dominix, a ship that uses it's drones for damage could be using as many nos as they like? -- Don't take the carebears out of empire - take the empire out of carebears! |
Grim Vandal
Caldari Burn Proof
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Posted - 2007.06.24 15:32:00 -
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Originally by: DDemon Nos has been in the game ever since eve has started, And has always been the same.
wrong
Greetings Grim |
Haxa
Serenity Prime Praesidium Libertatis
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Posted - 2007.06.24 15:37:00 -
[54]
All this nerfing talk. Its sad but i sense a NGE on the horizion for EvE if CCP keeps giving into nerfing
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.24 16:07:00 -
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The problem with NOS, which i don't even see, is that it doesn't have a viable "anti-" tool like all other lovely things in EVE.
One of the key incredients in EVE is that everything has a tool(not the human kind) against it.
So, how about a NOS shielding device? Much like the warp core stabilizer?
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
rotweiler
Gallente United Warriors Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.06.24 16:17:00 -
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NERF ONLINE
this community and its game becomes more irritating and lost by the minute.
Lets just pretend EVE isnt WOW ok ?
thx
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.24 16:20:00 -
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Originally by: rotweiler this community and its game becomes more irritating and lost by the minute.
Lets just pretend EVE isnt WOW ok ?
thx
I don't know why, but the only people comparing every "complaint" to WoW, are the only people doing so with false pretences.
WoW has actually nothing to do with nerfing things. Any more then any other MMO out there.
Especially since changing something like NOS would probably make it tougher and harder for people to survive in EVE. Well, the bigger ship flying people that is. In PVP, it's altogether.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Sorum Daemoth
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Posted - 2007.06.24 19:22:00 -
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Edited by: Sorum Daemoth on 24/06/2007 19:20:48
Originally by: Sheriff Jones The problem with NOS, which i don't even see, is that it doesn't have a viable "anti-" tool like all other lovely things in EVE.
One of the key incredients in EVE is that everything has a tool(not the human kind) against it.
So, how about a NOS shielding device? Much like the warp core stabilizer?
Cap Boosters? you must not have read my comment at the top
and Aakron, this is my main
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.06.24 20:01:00 -
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Originally by: Sorum Daemoth Cap Boosters? you must not have read my comment at the top
and Aakron, this is my main
Missed it a bit yes.
Well yes, cap boosters would be viable, although i think those won't solve the "frigates getting dried up by BS" thing.
The thing is, cap boosters arn't the real "anti-nos" tool, not really that is. It's kinda like the anti tool as...well...armor repairers are against guns?
Hard to explain. I think the problem with nos is that it's so easy on the ship. No punishment. Where as the cap boosters need the ammo to work.
Also nos is somewhat ridicilous since it makes the powerneuts really useless.
Though...have to look into this more, at the moment i'm just throwing ideas into the discussion as i don't mind if they change it or not.
So yeah, i have a problem with being serious, but it's the almost smallest problem i have. |
Mindy Moobah
Caldari Tech Five Giants
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Posted - 2007.06.24 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: James Duar
Originally by: Mindy Moobah Edited by: Mindy Moobah on 24/06/2007 10:22:38 people who say that NOS needs any kind of overhaul are either ignorant or plain stupid
OH LOOK! This post is STILL worthless.
Irony
Evil Girl
You are going too fast! Wait a minute and try again.
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