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Tal Ribek
Caldari Kingdom of Kador
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Posted - 2007.06.23 11:09:00 -
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I pay enough in subscriptions as it is, you should have kept it free but with advertising, come to think of it you'll probably have advertising in anyway lol.
Thanks but no thanks. ______________________________________
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Herra B
Beyond Divinity Inc Blind Beavers
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:51:00 -
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I pay peanuts for subscription as it is so Im gona pay for subscription, thank you for keeping out advertising, hopefully you'll keep it that way.
Thank you very much.
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Camilo Cienfuegos
EP0CH
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Posted - 2007.06.23 13:58:00 -
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Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 23/06/2007 13:57:51 You ******* tightarse - it's US$1.50 a show! I'm uncertain as to whether I will contune a subscription. I'm going to chuck on enough credits to watch the next few, but I'd like to see the quality level increase a wee bit. -- Don't take the carebears out of empire - take the empire out of carebears! |
Melor Rend
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Posted - 2007.06.23 14:53:00 -
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yeah the show IS advertising for CCG and EVE so why should i pay for that?
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n0thing
omen. D-L
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Posted - 2007.06.23 16:27:00 -
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Originally by: Camilo Cienfuegos Edited by: Camilo Cienfuegos on 23/06/2007 13:57:51 You ******* tightarse - it's US$1.50 a show! I'm uncertain as to whether I will contune a subscription. I'm going to chuck on enough credits to watch the next few, but I'd like to see the quality level increase a wee bit.
Tbh, you cant call people like that, you have no idea why the OP doesnt/cant afford it.
However, from my point of view, the standart broadcasts are fine with the credit thing, whoever wants to, will watch it. But imo the tourney`s and imporant stuff should be let for subbers to watch for free.
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Lester Dean
Gallente Vanguard Frontiers INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2007.06.23 19:18:00 -
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I agree with the idea that tourneys and important stuff should be free to watch like they were broadcasted last time.
I myself can hardly afford 2 accounts and even a few bucks for eve-tv is just...gotta draw the line somewhere im sorry lol. Ill try the 200 free credits but def dont want any more subs on my card.
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Evil Eden
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Posted - 2007.06.23 19:52:00 -
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why not have an 'eve meet' at someones pad and 1 guy pays for it and everyone else buys the beers and you sit back and relax :) then after the 30minutes show hit the pub :)
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CyanAngel
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Posted - 2007.06.23 20:12:00 -
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Although it is only a cheap service, I must echo the opinions expressed here. Im a student, on little to no income, paying for my eve account is enough, having to pay "extra" for the "honor" of listening to and watching SJ waffle on is not worth it IMO. Its like being charged a fee for the verious radio stations based arround EVE, probably earn more money off advertising. |
Evil Eden
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Posted - 2007.06.23 20:19:00 -
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its around ú40 a year if its on every week... i think :) that on top of the ú100 or so a yea for the account x that by 2 accounts for some people + eve voice, thats like ú250 a year... for a computer game at the end of the day :/
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Recoyote
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:19:00 -
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There is no way I am going to pay to watch internet TV. I'm too cheap to pay for more then basic cable. NO HBO, NO Sports, NO EVE TV, I will not pay extra for it!
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Recoyote
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Posted - 2007.06.23 23:20:00 -
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Originally by: Evil Eden why not have an 'eve meet' at someones pad and 1 guy pays for it and everyone else buys the beers and you sit back and relax :) then after the 30minutes show hit the pub :)
I'm the only one in 100 miles that plays EVE.
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Buzz Killer
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Posted - 2007.06.24 03:16:00 -
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Edited by: Buzz Killer on 24/06/2007 03:18:11 It took about 1 min to figure out that I had to pay to watch eveTV, it took less then a second to think ôNO!ö There is no way im paying to watch what is basically a commercial for a game that Im all ready paying for.
Just like eve chat or talk or what ever it is called , all the current MMOs out there offer that for free, not to mention TS or RW or what ever flavor of VOIP program you prefer
I just feel that CCP is trying to nickel and dime me for every cent they can suck outa my wallet
If CCP cant cough up a few bucks for some streaming of a program , id say scrap the whole thing and put the effort into new servers and less lag (the whole reason im posting now since the server is down)
eveTV, ill pass, no thanks
/rant off
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BandSaw
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Posted - 2007.06.24 03:17:00 -
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Edited by: BandSaw on 24/06/2007 03:16:26 nt
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Ix Forres
Caldari Straylight Industries
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Posted - 2007.06.24 03:33:00 -
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Bandwidth costing what it does these days, charging anything is mad. We pay for the subscription- perhaps charge for unregistered players but allow subscribers free access? I mean seriously- CCP have a serious network. I have 12 terabytes of bandwidth knocking around and that's just some spare from the main stuff working on the servers with the bandwidth. At 500k/s for a 10 minute episode that's what, 36 megabytes? If I can get an extra terabyte of bandwidth (In the same location as CCP's servers, I might point out) for ú5.. CCP are raking in the cash from this. Think 100% profit. Ix Forres
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Inspir
Gallente VersaTech Interstellar Ltd. SMASH Alliance
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Posted - 2007.06.24 07:43:00 -
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I havnt looked at the subscription process. But i wonder if its a matter of login/pw without giving away personal RL dtails (credit card etc). If so, then perhaps an ISK trade thing much like char selling will develop out of it. x isk gets y credits on the buy/sell forums.
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EadTaes
Minmatar Native Freshfood
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:21:00 -
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Weren't the first 2 shows supposed to be free so that people could see what it is. For some reason i could only watch 5 minutes before it asked me to buy credits. And the five menuts i saw won't make me a member. 0.0 Policing, Econnomic Control & NPC Agents |
Evil Eden
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Posted - 2007.06.24 10:56:00 -
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check you email, you get 20 credits when you join up and an extra 180 credits when you click the link in your email to approve the account or what have you, then you have 200 credits :)
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:14:00 -
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Edited by: Omega Man on 24/06/2007 11:14:06
Originally by: Evil Eden why not have an 'eve meet' at someones pad and 1 guy pays for it and everyone else buys the beers and you sit back and relax :) then after the 30minutes show hit the pub :)
Yeah a group of people club together and scratch up the money for a 78pence show and then hit the pub.
Thats one wild night right there.
edit: sc*****is a censored word.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.24 11:17:00 -
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Originally by: Ix Forres Bandwidth costing what it does these days, charging anything is mad. We pay for the subscription- perhaps charge for unregistered players but allow subscribers free access? I mean seriously- CCP have a serious network. I have 12 terabytes of bandwidth knocking around and that's just some spare from the main stuff working on the servers with the bandwidth. At 500k/s for a 10 minute episode that's what, 36 megabytes? If I can get an extra terabyte of bandwidth (In the same location as CCP's servers, I might point out) for ú5.. CCP are raking in the cash from this. Think 100% profit.
Excellent, once you got the 11mill pound studio they can borrow for nothing we are set to go.
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Buzz Killer
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Posted - 2007.06.24 12:57:00 -
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Excellent, once you got the 11mill pound studio they can borrow for nothing we are set to go.
hehe, 11 mil for that LOL its a bit of painted cardboard in a CCP office
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Frug
Zenithal Harvest
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Posted - 2007.06.24 12:59:00 -
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Originally by: Buzz Killer
Excellent, once you got the 11mill pound studio they can borrow for nothing we are set to go.
hehe, 11 mil for that LOL its a bit of painted cardboard in a CCP office
11 million pounds of cardboard.
And see, I can make that jab at them, and refrain from all the other jabs i -could- be making at certain cast members.
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Omega Man
The Geddy Foundation
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Posted - 2007.06.24 14:31:00 -
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Originally by: Buzz Killer
Excellent, once you got the 11mill pound studio they can borrow for nothing we are set to go.
hehe, 11 mil for that LOL its a bit of painted cardboard in a CCP office
Well you have the bandwidth, i presume you have the cardboard, whats stopping u?
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Mirana Niranne
The Ninja Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.24 15:06:00 -
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They didn't build a studio for 11m, they're renting it. Also spiralJunky, Xyliana, and StevieSG (sure on the first 2, relatively sure on the last one) are all getting paid to do this.
CCP is not invloved in production or costs with the show, the show is done by MMM publishing which is the company that puts out EON Mag.
So no, they are not charging to cover bandwidth costs. They are charging because salaries need to be paid, a studio needs to be rented, and someone somewhere is hoping to cash in some profit on this at some point.
If you're going to make broad sweeping statements and judgments based on facts, at least take the time to get your fking facts straight.
Honestly, I will be surprised if they can cover all these costs on subscription numbers alone. How many people are going to pay for this every week all year and generate the $100 they'd be spending on it? 500? Eh, I think there will be a spike in the beginning because it's new, people will start dropping off after the first few episodes, and then numbers will start to pick up again at a steady pace. The question will be how patient MMM is going to be with this and how agggressively they're going to promote it. With it's current model, I don't see how they're going to turn a profit on this without ad support.
I also think it was a really bad idea to boast about getting their hands on an 11m studio. That one statement has drawn so much flak, both misdirected and otherwise, it's not even funny. You could say that the studio was in someone's garage, and it would be beleivable.
I would suggest taking some time during a future show to give us a tour of this 11m pound studio so we can all see how amazing it is. When all people see is a set that could be put up anywhere, it's hard to understand the value of the facility. --- Some people think pirates are better. Pirates are clumsy. A Ninja you never see until it's too late. Your corpmates can't save you, your scanners can't see us, your gatecamps can't catch us. |
Verlane Succorso
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Posted - 2007.06.24 17:12:00 -
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The first episode should have been free at least. This way we could make a decision on whether it's worth setting up a subscription account. I don't know about anyone else but I'm rather leery of handing credit info out for unknown content.
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LancashireUK
Caldari Legacy State Dark Matter Coalition
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Posted - 2007.06.24 17:17:00 -
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Can't believe you have to pay to watch. At the end of the day it's advertising for EvE so why should I pay for that, IMO?
Glad I didn't register, and will not bother to do so. -------------------------------------
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Eomar
Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.06.24 17:37:00 -
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Originally by: LancashireUK Edited by: LancashireUK on 24/06/2007 17:16:58 Can't believe you have to pay to watch. At the end of the day it's advertising for EvE so why should I pay for that, IMO?
For the same reason youd pay for EON mag, or for merch or pay a sub/donation etc to any of the fan sites.
Its not 'just' advertising for eve, its a topical news show, with various stories and features about events, people, alliances, corps etc in game.
As has been already been pointed out, this is not a CCP run thing, so your subs are not going towards it.
Noone is making you pay for this, its not essential to the game, nor is it game breaking if you dont watch it.
I personally can see great potential, and have done since the first eve tv broadcast. Im fairly sure MMM can see great potential in it too, which is why theyve invested so much into it.
Please, EVERYONE remember that this whole thing is not being run as some vast profiteering racket, determined to screw every penny out of us, the people at the heart of this are very passionate about the game, and have put vast amounts of time and effort into giving something to the community. This doesn't come free, the overheads from setting up and running this are vast, I'm sure of it, and your money is not only paying to get this going, but to KEEP it going, and to allow it to develop into something even more special.
The alliance tournaments cost is going to be pretty high, getting people out there, set up and streaming the show is not going to be cheap, so more money coming from the weekly shows is going to mean more money susidising the big event, as I understood it the ultimate aim is to have the alliance tourney free to all.
In my opinion a few dollars/euros/blaarts a month is a small price to pay for what has the potential to be a fantastic show with a lot of good stuff, and more importantly another medium for the PLAYERS to interact with this massive universe weve got. The MC article for example is a fantastic demonstration of what YOU to can do. ...in accordance with the prophecy |
FiberEagle
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Posted - 2007.06.25 11:01:00 -
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Surely EveTV will fail as EveVoice did, it's as simple as that.
The reasen here for is also simple ; some geek wil find a way to capture this and put it on whatever p2p or on youtube.
Even tho i like EveTv and liek to support them, this mentioned above is unavoidable imho :(
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Hab0k
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Posted - 2007.06.25 12:00:00 -
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Idea...
If it has not already been covered...
why not make it like actual TV how you have channels that are free for any tv like the one w/ news and the one w/ all those soaps that seem to never end.
then you have your REAL TV that requires a mothly 10doller subscript...
and then their would be Pay Per View for tourny footage! which requires credits...
because befor i would watch eve-tv but now i log onto it and it says i have 20 credits (possible the extra 180) but i dont have this kinda money u know...
-Hab0k p.s. I <3 shoot ppl
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vatasha'yar
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Posted - 2007.06.25 13:33:00 -
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no way im paying to watch that. from what little i saw i liked. now if feels like im being nickeled and dimed to death charge for this charge for that. no thanks.
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The GrimWristler
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Posted - 2007.06.25 16:39:00 -
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When going onto the website, it feels very welcoming and i had to register to open the video files! When i had realised that Jalipo credit was running low when watching the video blog, i realised it wasnt free.
This is very disheartening that myself included are paying for a subscription to play eve and yet i must fork out more money to watch a 2min movie of what is upcoming in the world of eve. This system of marketing and advertising isnt going to gain any more interest for more subscribers that are interested in the game. Infact i think you will lose alot of interest of other gamers as all they can see is "spend spend spend."
I like the whole idea of video blogs and tourniments etc, after all this will encourage alot of gamers into playing the game and getting involved, but not when u must pay to watch!
Eve is becoming a very small game with its members increasing each month. 0.0 space is now highly populated and is hard to find empty sys's. I think personally, making the game significantly larger by widening eve out into deeper space is more of an issue atm than advertising to gain new gamers. (after all, u must keep the subscribers happy especially as playing eve for long periods of time isnt easy using the skill base interface)
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