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Myxx
Atropos Group Blood Right
475
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Posted - 2012.01.06 19:08:00 -
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I could step forward as a neutral party, though I blatantly don't give enough of a damn anyway - par for the course, perhaps - to ensure I'm truly neutral. Take it for what you will, that could be a good thing or a bad thing. |
Karmilla Strife
Damnation Angels
11
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Posted - 2012.01.06 20:29:00 -
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Thgil, might I suggest proofreading your reports before presenting them to your superiors, or publishing said reports in a public venue where millions will read them. A little professionalism would go a long way. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
658
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Posted - 2012.01.07 13:54:00 -
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From: TES Temal Kador, Apocalypse Class (Navy Issue) Location: Amarr
***BEGIN TRANSMISSION***
After due consideration the PIE leadership is concerned by the lack of co-operation from the Disciples of Ston and concurs with Lt Goldcore that they are almost certainly hiding something.
However, what is unclear from the results of the investigation is whether or not they have directly supported Republic military operations (the subject of the investigation).
Therefore we will not be implementing the full recommendations of the report at this time. Instead, we will be setting the Disciples of Ston to orange standings. As such, we will be closely monitoring their activities. Should any new evidence emerge that proves direct support of Republican activities their standings will be altered accordingly.
The question remains of what exactly the Disciples have to hide. During the course of the investigation Manwe Todako claimed that "among our over 13,000 residents are a good number of former slaves who slaved aboard the war vessels of PIE and the 24th Imperial Crusade." His response to a request for further information on this specific point was a generic statement regarding slaves found in cans. This was not a satisfactory answer.
It would appear that the Disciples are not simply rescuing slaves discarded or otherwise released by their owners, but that they are also obtaining slaves from battlefields. Whilst we appreciate the efforts of the Disciples to rescue them, these slaves remain the property of their owners, and they should not have been transferred out of the Empire. Indeed, ideally efforts should have been made to return them to their owners. Should any such slaves have left the Empire, it would indicate that the Disciples have in fact been running what I believe some people might call an "underground monorail" carrying slaves away from their rightful owners.
As such, we request a full manifest of all slaves acquired by the Disciples since their formation to be made available to the public. This manifest must include the details of where and how each slave was acquired and their current location. This manifest should be published within seven days.
Furthermore, we expect the Disciples to arrange for the return to PIE of all slaves recovered from PIE vessels within fourteen days.
Failure to carry out these requests may result in further action from PIE.
***TRANSMISSION ENDS***
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Exocet Lemming
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2012.01.07 14:18:00 -
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Karmilla Strife wrote:Thgil, might I suggest proofreading your reports before presenting them to your superiors, or publishing said reports in a public venue where millions will read them. A little professionalism would go a long way.
Are you curtain that would be a good idea?
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Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
179
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Posted - 2012.01.07 14:48:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote: It would appear that the Disciples are not simply rescuing slaves discarded or otherwise released by their owners, but that they are also obtaining slaves from battlefields. Whilst we appreciate the efforts of the Disciples to rescue them, these slaves remain the property of their owners, and they should not have been transferred out of the Empire. Indeed, ideally efforts should have been made to return them to their owners. Should any such slaves have left the Empire, it would indicate that the Disciples have in fact been running what I believe some people might call an "underground monorail" carrying slaves away from their rightful owners.
As such, we request a full manifest of all slaves acquired by the Disciples since their formation to be made available to the public. This manifest must include the details of where and how each slave was acquired and their current location. This manifest should be published within seven days.
Furthermore, we expect the Disciples to arrange for the return to PIE of all slaves recovered from PIE vessels within fourteen days.
Failure to comply with these requests may result in further action from PIE.
***TRANSMISSION ENDS***
Perhaps we have been unclear about our Matriculation program. When we say "Matriculation Program" that is short for "Emancipation and Matriculation Program." You will see this if you research the beginning announcement of the opening of our first Center. We rescue "former slaves" wherever they may be found and from whomever.
The Disciples of Ston unequivocally state that NO ONE IS THE RIGHTFUL OWNER OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING period! When we rescue and emancipate these individuals we ARE returning them to their rightful owners, THEMSELVES!
Now, as of yet, we have not directly rescued any former slaves from battlefields, but we hope to do so in the future. We have received rescued slaves from other pilots who have done so, and we have receive testimony from rescued slaves of their work on board battle vessels.
In answer to your demands to provide detailed information on the former slaves we have rescued, the answer is NO. We will die and our spirits will return to the Maker before we ever allow those we rescue to return to slavery. SANKOFA |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
382
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Posted - 2012.01.07 15:09:00 -
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Surely Captain Todako, complying with the Admiral's previous request as to details of which members of PIE you have found to abandon civilians in cans is at least acceptable. Without going into specific details, I'm sure the Admiral will be greatful for the information to conduct his own in house investigations.
Remember what I was telling Captain Goldcore about negotiation? You could give a little there at no personal risk to yourself, your corporation or the people in your care. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
658
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Posted - 2012.01.07 15:28:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Surely Captain Todako, complying with the Admiral's previous request as to details of which members of PIE you have found to abandon civilians in cans is at least acceptable. Without going into specific details, I'm sure the Admiral will be greatful for the information to conduct his own in house investigations.
For the record, we will investigate any allegations of abandonment levelled at PIE officers and that is one reason why the manifest was requested.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
181
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Posted - 2012.01.07 15:48:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Surely Captain Todako, complying with the Admiral's previous request as to details of which members of PIE you have found to abandon civilians in cans is at least acceptable. Without going into specific details, I'm sure the Admiral will be greatful for the information to conduct his own in house investigations.
Remember what I was telling Captain Goldcore about negotiation? You could give a little there at no personal risk to yourself, your corporation or the people in your care.
Pay close attention to what Captain Blake is demanding and suggesting; that these rescue people should be returned to their "rightful owners." He is demanding their "present locations." This isn't about investigating abandonment on the part of PIE members. This is about what PIE member perceive as their "property rights." This is not a matter of negotiation and diplomacy. This is a matter of not violating our core values. Captain Blake says, "efforts should have been made to return them to their owners." This is anathema to who we are and we will do nothing that would assist anyone in doing the same. That is why this is not a matter of negotiation.
As to a manifest: Are you aware that the only record we have when we rescue former slaves is the name and information of the pilot transporting those individuals? The names of the original holders are unknown to us unless the rescued people choose to reveal it. We publicly publish those on our Wall of Shame. PIE may wish to contact those myriads of pilots if they wish to find the names of the original holders. SANKOFA |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
382
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Posted - 2012.01.07 16:10:00 -
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Manwe Todako wrote:Caellach Marellus wrote:Surely Captain Todako, complying with the Admiral's previous request as to details of which members of PIE you have found to abandon civilians in cans is at least acceptable. Without going into specific details, I'm sure the Admiral will be greatful for the information to conduct his own in house investigations.
Remember what I was telling Captain Goldcore about negotiation? You could give a little there at no personal risk to yourself, your corporation or the people in your care. Pay close attention to what Captain Blake is demanding and suggesting; that these rescue people should be returned to their "rightful owners." He is demanding their "present locations." This isn't about investigating abandonment on the part of PIE members. This is about what PIE member perceive as their "property rights." This is not a matter of negotiation and diplomacy. This is a matter of not violating our core values. Captain Blake says, "efforts should have been made to return them to their owners." This is anathema to who we are and we will do nothing that would assist anyone in doing the same. That is why this is not a matter of negotiation. As to a manifest: Are you aware that the only record we have when we rescue former slaves is the name and information of the pilot transporting those individuals? The names of the original holders are unknown to us unless the rescued people choose to reveal it. We publicly publish those on our Wall of Shame. PIE may wish to contact those myriads of pilots if they wish to find the names of the original holders.
So, just so I'm clear on this myself, you stated how some of these abandoned civilians were rescued from being left by pilots of PIE Inc. earlier. Did you get this information from your wall of shame? If so then I suppose it makes the Admiral's job significantly easier.
I'm well aware of what the Admiral is demanding, I suggested you merely give him the names of the pilots in PIE that were found to have abandoned innocent lives. That's giving him a small amount of information at no risk, without going the whole hog. It's all about negotiation and each side appeasing the other.
Edit: Without even giving their current locations, you could list simply what was recovered and from where and when. Current detail as to their location should be irrelevant. |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
181
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Posted - 2012.01.07 16:22:00 -
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OK, I'll try to be as clear as I can. The information about where former slaves came from comes from the following sources.
1. Former slave testimonies 2. Other pilots who have transported rescued former slaves to us
We only have the word of others to go by. I am sorry if I was unclear about that. Anyone can check the names of the pilots we list on the Wall of Shame. I do not know if any of them are members of PIE. Below is also a list of pilot name given to us by another Capsuleer who has been active in rescuing former slaves. Feel free to look them up. Again, look at Captain Blake's orignal post and note that his concern is not in investigating his own people but trying to return their slaves to them. AaronDace acid5 Albert Threestone Antanaro Agathon Tye Atec Soter Avenger18 Bethann Greenblade Bur Idan chichidedeng CMEPTb X Constantine Rivera Croax Kra DC''Gilard deadcat ru DEC LEMBACK Der Chad Elix Starwolf Emperor DragonKing exex Fourjane Gizaman1 gostlik guneyy Haatom Hauler McTransporty Heptane Pyroman Hermedeth Hlora hooky's swards jangoha johneend Kabansky Karonys Khe0ps Koenigtulkaz Lijara Link Static Mal Kicx Miran Sky MyStIc4120 NeuroNode Nomad79 nuvolablu omegabytes Perris pneub Presley O'Bannon Ramses Smuckles Ruby Munro sergl shortya213 Soleman Mohammed Sonita T1g3rsh4rk Tranka Verrane Tropica Tyara Lyn Warhawk22 XxJaNxX Zalthais zapercon ZIBERG
AFK47 CartmansRocket DRAGON VIII Evo xii Hermann Gullwing Iburim Jake Abaddon Mooncat Slayer Mysticus Crispious Nagosaka primal gore Quakefire Sean Avery Space Runner2000 Starkadh TheKuningas thestar gate Valen Mir VanuLancer Vicatory wormy1
Ace Dave Albert Threestone alexandra1985 arandazar Atiro Durga Azrarn Bilboz BlackOps ace Charbydis CoIk Crazy Hippo Dionysus Anton Dracunculus Elenor Kharne EliteDesant EnternalRain GermanTrjan Ikara kenshynl2 kinbath kyle wolf Narkomanik OlegARH81 Pechora popudopulas Quincy Quiet Rufus Konstantin RusKick Scalira Setur sorby Shakespeade Sputnik D Turja Tzeentch's Champion Urano Vaca Hradecak Vagronbrei Vegas007 viper 481 xMakikox xXxNiteShaidxXx
Alex Showers Archmage Coldbane Artemis Khaniij Balays BearUkraine Blood'n Guts chae songhwa Char Bajeena CINK KIDD Couls Cpt Pepper Dangerous Daswe Das Commander Drechana Endisil dscho Epsilon Hominastra Frakk Lee gazthenailer Kandice Stone Kernal Debugger Kerzack Lebaneur Ma Til'da Mammoth 1 Mirkha Mortach Olav Leli Orronin Ovide PALADDINELITY Pelinn pozdeykv Primum Vivere RavenThunder reaperu812 Reetorr Rooiboos shhmee eeeeee SKATER91 Slimandproud Stonka237 TAHAKO Tarzil Thjodmar Vandon Claw SANKOFA |
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Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
382
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Posted - 2012.01.07 16:27:00 -
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Manwe Todako wrote: I do not know if any of them are members of PIE.
Your earlier post suggested otherwise, I advise being certain of such facts before using them here. PIE take allegations such as this very seriously.
Quote:Again, look at Captain Blake's orignal post and note that his concern is not in investigating his own people but trying to return their slaves to them.
I'm aware. You can still deny him that while at least assisting his internal investigation into the actions of PIE Pilots as an appeasement. |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
181
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Posted - 2012.01.07 16:42:00 -
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Caellach Marellus wrote:Manwe Todako wrote: I do not know if any of them are members of PIE. Your earlier post suggested otherwise, I advise being certain of such facts before using them here. PIE take allegations such as this very seriously. Quote:Again, look at Captain Blake's orignal post and note that his concern is not in investigating his own people but trying to return their slaves to them. I'm aware. You can still deny him that while at least assisting his internal investigation into the actions of PIE Pilots as an appeasement.
Agreed, Mr. Marellus. I should have said, "We believe it is likely from testimonies that PIE blah, blah" My apologies for making my implications too strong. I will be more careful in the future. SANKOFA |
Lyn Farel
Extropian Technologies
229
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Posted - 2012.01.08 13:01:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:The PIE directorate will study this report and its recommendations.
PIE Inc now publishes its reports and recommendations in public before actually studying them ?
Caellach Marellus wrote:Thgil Goldcore wrote:Also, I find it amusing that those who are most against this also are the people who are likely receiving weapons or crew from these people. Then hear it from a neutral point of view. You're being an idiot and digging your hole further. Thgil Goldcore wrote:As laid out prior, and apparently ignored. The mere idea of having hostile forces take part of the investigation is absurd. It's not absurd they spectate, you just don't like it. Huge difference there, and you've failed to give any logical reason as to why it'd be so crazy a notion.
This is my opinion too. Ms Goldcore, you can also hear it from a neutral point of view that served Amarr before. Even if I were in the shoes of the Disciples of Ston and I would have gladly accepted the inquiry to prove the opponent wrong (and all the conciliation PR that would ensue), it would appear that you should really stop the blunder when you still can. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
47
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:03:00 -
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I do not know about PIE pilots abandoning people in space.
I do however know that many of the names on the list here, were Minmatar.
And several, enough for it to be noticeable, are none other that Tribal Liberation Force pilots.
TLF throwing slaves overboard, being worse than those they claim to fight. Amusing. |
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
659
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:19:00 -
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Manwe Todako wrote:OK, I'll try to be as clear as I can. The information about where former slaves came from comes from the following sources.
1. Former slave testimonies 2. Other pilots who have transported rescued former slaves to us
We only have the word of others to go by. I am sorry if I was unclear about that. Anyone can check the names of the pilots we list on the Wall of Shame. I do not know if any of them are members of PIE. Below is also a list of pilot name given to us by another Capsuleer who has been active in rescuing former slaves. Feel free to look them up. Again, look at Captain Blake's orignal post and note that his concern is not in investigating his own people but trying to return their slaves to them.
[list of names]
So you decided to allege that PIE officers had been abandoning slaves to their deaths without first checking your facts? I think that you owe every single member of PIE a public apology for your false and egregious accusation.
Also, I still want to see a full manifest of all slaves received by your corporation produced by you in the interests of transparency. Where slaves have been handed to you by another capsuleer, that capsuleer should be named, so what you claim can be verified.
Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori. |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
182
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:31:00 -
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Pilots who illegally purchase slaves illegally sold to them by holders to be illegally transported and sold outside of Amarr space do not keep cargo manifests.
We will provide no information other than what we have provided on the Wall of Shame. Speaking of that, you might want to check this out, concerning the 24th Imperial Crusade, SANKOFA |
Astrid Stjerna
Teraa Matar
412
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Posted - 2012.01.08 19:58:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:Manwe Todako wrote:OK, I'll try to be as clear as I can. The information about where former slaves came from comes from the following sources.
1. Former slave testimonies 2. Other pilots who have transported rescued former slaves to us
We only have the word of others to go by. I am sorry if I was unclear about that. Anyone can check the names of the pilots we list on the Wall of Shame. I do not know if any of them are members of PIE. Below is also a list of pilot name given to us by another Capsuleer who has been active in rescuing former slaves. Feel free to look them up. Again, look at Captain Blake's orignal post and note that his concern is not in investigating his own people but trying to return their slaves to them.
[list of names]
So you decided to allege that PIE officers had been abandoning slaves to their deaths without first checking your facts? I think that you owe every single member of PIE a public apology for your false and egregious accusation.Also, I still want to see a full manifest of all slaves received by your corporation produced by you in the interests of transparency. Where slaves have been handed to you by another capsuleer, that capsuleer should be named, so that what you claim can be verified.
After PIE apologizes for publically slandering a humanitarian organization and trying to bully it into compliance with a mostly-illegal inspection. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
384
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Posted - 2012.01.08 20:20:00 -
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Rodj Blake wrote:So you decided to allege that PIE officers had been abandoning slaves to their deaths without first checking your facts? I think that you owe every single member of PIE a public apology for your false and egregious accusation.
I believe an apology was made when I highlighted this issue earlier.
However for slaves handled outside of your corporation, I would question to what business it is of yours. PIE Inc are still demanding an extreme amount here on multiple fronts, and offering nothing in exchange for compliance. Your subordinate may be new to negotiations Admiral but I know you're better than this. |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
552
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Posted - 2012.01.08 21:09:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:I do however know that many of the names on the list here, were Minmatar. In such a list of random capsuleers, those people who are treated like gods and have little respect for life of non-capsuleers, I wouldn't be surprised at all. How many would I expect? I don't know, 25%, as per 4 races? A bit lower maybe, 20%?
In that list of 171 names, there are 56 Amarr, 53 Caldari, 36 Gallente and 26 Minmatar. So 15% is now "many of them".
Quote:And several, enough for it to be noticeable, are none other that Tribal Liberation Force pilots. Considering the militia recruit pretty much everyone, I wouldn't be surprised about this, really. Especially as we had just recently here on IGS a rather public exposure of one of the many Amarrian spies in the TLF.
In that list of 171 names, there is exactly one (1) member of the Tribal Liberation Force corporation. There is another one (1) of another Minmatar Militia corporation. So 2 is now "several".
Let me take a wild guess. You didn't actually check anything - you just made something up on the spot to score some petty propaganda points on IGS? |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
48
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Posted - 2012.01.08 21:26:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:Let me take a wild guess. You didn't actually check anything - you just made something up on the spot to score some petty propaganda points on IGS?
Well, nope, I did not make it up.
Consider current employment of those pilots vs their employment at the time when they were observed throwing slaves overboard. At the time those names were recorded, there were more than two names that were in the tribal liberation force.
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Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
552
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Posted - 2012.01.08 21:47:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Well, nope, I did not make it up. That's good to hear. Why don't you provide actual numbers? |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade
39
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Posted - 2012.01.08 21:48:00 -
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Manwe Todako wrote: Perhaps we have been unclear about our Matriculation program. When we say "Matriculation Program" that is short for "Emancipation and Matriculation Program." You will see this if you research the beginning announcement of the opening of our first Center. We rescue "former slaves" wherever they may be found and from whomever.
The Disciples of Ston unequivocally state that NO ONE IS THE RIGHTFUL OWNER OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING period! When we rescue and emancipate these individuals we ARE returning them to their rightful owners, THEMSELVES!
Now, as of yet, we have not directly rescued any former slaves from battlefields, but we hope to do so in the future. We have received rescued slaves from other pilots who have done so, and we have receive testimony from rescued slaves of their work on board battle vessels.
In answer to your demands to provide detailed information on the former slaves we have rescued, the answer is NO. We will die and our spirits will return to the Maker before we ever allow those we rescue to return to slavery.
You said, that you rescue them wherever they may be found. However, you must understand, that taking slaves form 'wherever' IF they are still someone's property, and that someone DIDN'T give you permission to take these slaves, is considered a THEFT. Even if you take them in territories where slaves are illegal cargo, this is still a THEFT.
From my point of view, theft is one of the most severe and dirtiest forms of crime. Thieves took others property, who worked hard to acquire it, and thieves don't have balls to fight owners like pirates do. I think that all thieves deserve capital punishment wherever they are detected, and I am ready to put an end to them even if I violate law myself by doing it.
If you in fact have any slaves, that you took from PIE and they are requesting to return them, you MUST compensate. Even if you gave slaves to their 'rightful owner' (freed), you still took some property from their previous owner, that you MUST return. If you can't return slaves, then pay their EXACT average market price or pay with other goods of equal value if previous owner will accept these goods as payment.
Even if you didn't steal yourself, but merely accepted stolen property from someone else, you MUST compensate it for previous owner, by either returning stolen goods or paying with money/other goods. |
Caellach Marellus
Nephtys Ventures inc
384
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Posted - 2012.01.08 21:57:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:Manwe Todako wrote: Perhaps we have been unclear about our Matriculation program. When we say "Matriculation Program" that is short for "Emancipation and Matriculation Program." You will see this if you research the beginning announcement of the opening of our first Center. We rescue "former slaves" wherever they may be found and from whomever.
The Disciples of Ston unequivocally state that NO ONE IS THE RIGHTFUL OWNER OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING period! When we rescue and emancipate these individuals we ARE returning them to their rightful owners, THEMSELVES!
Now, as of yet, we have not directly rescued any former slaves from battlefields, but we hope to do so in the future. We have received rescued slaves from other pilots who have done so, and we have receive testimony from rescued slaves of their work on board battle vessels.
In answer to your demands to provide detailed information on the former slaves we have rescued, the answer is NO. We will die and our spirits will return to the Maker before we ever allow those we rescue to return to slavery.
You said, that you rescue them wherever they may be found. However, you must understand, that taking slaves form 'wherever' IF they are still someone's property, and that someone DIDN'T give you permission to take these slaves, is considered a THEFT. Even if you take them in territories where slaves are illegal cargo, this is still a THEFT. From my point of view, theft is one of the most severe and dirtiest forms of crime. Thieves took others property, who worked hard to acquire it, and thieves don't have balls to fight owners like pirates do. I think that all thieves deserve capital punishment wherever they are detected, and I am ready to put an end to them even if I violate law myself by doing it. If you in fact have any slaves, that you took from PIE and they are requesting to return them, you MUST compensate. Even if you gave slaves to their 'rightful owner' (freed), you still took some property from their previous owner, that you MUST return. If you can't return slaves, then pay their EXACT average market price or pay with other goods of equal value if previous owner will accept these goods as payment. Even if you didn't steal yourself, but merely accepted stolen property from someone else, you MUST compensate it for previous owner, by either returning stolen goods or paying with money/other goods.
Interesting allegation. Do you have proof that these containers were infact left as owned property as opposed to the pilots declaring them legally abandoned and free for all? |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
182
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:13:00 -
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Captain Kim has accused the Disciples of Ston of theft. Guilty as charged. The majority of the death cans from which we rescue people are yellow and the contents legally owned by those we list on the wall of shame. In fact, we most often note when the can was blue to indicate that the pilot wished the people to be perhaps rescued. Captain Kim would like to see us dead. We have been destroyed often and podded quite a few times too. I noted your fondness of capitalizing THEFT. If it makes you feel any better here goes. The Disciples of Ston are THIEVES THIEVES THIEVES THIEVES! Yep, we steal former slaves from death cans, rescuing them from death and emancipating them. As Ston used to be so fond of saying in the beginning days "I am a Thief." SANKOFA |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade
39
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:27:00 -
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Caellach Marellus, you are looking in wrong direction. If you need to find out, was it stealing or not, you should ask DSTON and can owners.
((edit to note whom this is addressed to)) |
Diana Kim
Wolfsbrigade
39
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:29:00 -
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Manwe Todako wrote:Captain Kim has accused the Disciples of Ston of theft. Guilty as charged. The majority of the death cans from which we rescue people are yellow and the contents legally owned by those we list on the wall of shame. In fact, we most often note when the can was blue to indicate that the pilot wished the people to be perhaps rescued. Captain Kim would like to see us dead. We have been destroyed often and podded quite a few times too. I noted your fondness of capitalizing THEFT. If it makes you feel any better here goes. The Disciples of Ston are THIEVES THIEVES THIEVES THIEVES! Yep, we steal former slaves from death cans, rescuing them from death and emancipating them. As Ston used to be so fond of saying in the beginning days "I am a Thief."
So, you are destroyed often and podded. Well, it's a fitting end for a thief. |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
50
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:43:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:Valerie Valate wrote:Well, nope, I did not make it up. That's good to hear. Why don't you provide actual numbers?
Because the actual numbers aren't in my possession. They're in the possession of my corpmate, "Ritual Sacrifice", who obtained them from her own logs, and also information seized from the Evil space nun Darina Rea, when Ritual Sacrifice visited them on a diplomatic errand. |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
552
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Posted - 2012.01.08 22:51:00 -
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Valerie Valate wrote:Because the actual numbers aren't in my possession. They're in the possession of my corpmate, "Ritual Sacrifice", who obtained them from her own logs, and also information seized from the Evil space nun Darina Rea, when Ritual Sacrifice visited them on a diplomatic errand. Let me help you out.
All you have is a rough gut feeling that back when someone checked those pilots, "a lot" of them were something or another. Nothing more.
All you did was try to make a cheap propaganda post.
And you know what's the most ridiculous part of it? What you said would not have been surprising at all, and you still got it wrong. |
Manwe Todako
Disciples of Ston
182
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:36:00 -
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Diana Kim wrote:
So, you are destroyed often and podded. Well, it's a fitting end for a thief.
We gladly give up our lives to rescue these people and will continue to do so as long as the evil of institutionalized slavery exists. SANKOFA |
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
50
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Posted - 2012.01.08 23:59:00 -
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Arkady Sadik wrote:cheap propaganda post.
When there are so many opportunities to poke fun at people, it is inevitable that cheap materials are used on occasion. |
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